What happened to left-wing radicalism in the West?

>people who literally want to murder all whites
>"not radical"

Sweet summer child
To AFA, everybody they disagree with is a hardcore skinhead neo-Nazi fascist.

They have diluted the term 'fascism' to the point that it is now meaningless

>Everyone has a decent standard of living, except for the blacks in the US.
lmao
no country on earth has a decent standard of living

Nobody wants to do that, though

Antifa are judge edgy centrist liberals trying to preserve the status quo

And every country has a decent standard of living for the rich.

The third world elite has more in common with the Western elite than the third world masses.

I'm going to say they took the critique of society started by critical theorists to its ultimate conclusion, which was a secular-gnostic conception of supreme suppression of the masses in favor of White Male Archons who serve a imaginary patriarchical ghost through supreme possession to subjugate the weak.

Ultimately, it's oroborous biting it's its own tail. Western Culture drags man out of the mud and the forefront individuals pass their bounty onto theit children. The "enlightened" rulers become believers in freedom of all man, and eventually woman. Propagandized by The Cabal, these former supresseds decide to hang themselves with the rope that pulled them out of the swamp.

Western Civilization pulled up the masses so they could become discontent and attempt to destroy the very mechanism of their championing. They don't realize the ruthless nature behind the gates is just waiting to devour them with unaware force of being.

Give a man a biscuit, he'll be mad you have two.

I saw a video where a couple of antifas were calling lolbertarians fascist and when asked to explain why they would deem them fascist a girl said: "if I have to explain that ur stupid" or something like that.

I live in Amsterdam and know a few legit anarchists. I'm not an anarchist, but we're still good friends.

>people who want stricter border control
>"fascists"

not inherently fascist, but strict border control is the definition of statism

That picture seems to be taken in Greece, where the fascists are literal nazis who want to murder non-whites. They're not like UKIP or Sverigedemokratarna. They're absolute savages.

Golden Dawn ain't nothin to fuck with, "migration skeptics" is a ridiculous way to describe them.

I'm actually a lolbert who believes in pretty loose borders.

Still, i wouldn't call someone a communist just because they want more taxes or regulation of the economy.

I know loads of anarchists. They're mostly good people but they have some meme tier conspiracy beliefs.

yeah I can agree with you, fascism is a bit of a buzzword
pretty sure Orwell said something about it, how the word has already been diluted to meaninglessness, and that was back then, going to be even worse now

The Left dominates the mainstream, so left-wing radicalism is just staunch leftism these days.

The Right is now rad.

this is what the aut-right actually believes.

wtf I hate antifa now

>The Left dominates the mainstream
the 'left'

What are you talking about? There's almost no left-wing presence in media or politics these days. Even universities would rather discuss microagressions and privilege theory than class struggle or imperialism.

Remember that neoliberal centrism is not "the left".

Who doesn't hate antifa?
They're basically middle class guardians of the status quo who physically attack people that want to reduce immigration, who are coincidentally usually working class.
Nothing about their views are radical in any way.

Culturally it's very much 'the left', they approach things from a radical third worldist perspective that involves taking revenge on whites for perceived historical wrongs.
You'd have to be high not to realise that academia is dominated by the left, and the media certainly is (at least socially).

>They're basically middle class guardians of the status quo who physically attack people that want to reduce immigration, who are coincidentally usually working class.
In England that's the case.

>Nothing about their views are radical in any way.
TIL revolutionary anarchism isn't radical

>In England that's the case.
It's true in basically every western country because working class people actually have to deal with the effects of massive migration in their communities. They have to live with their communities being utterly transformed in ways they asked for or wanted. Whereas Tarquin and Sebastian can go back to their 99% white gated community after they're done screaming abuse and throwing rocks at the working class people who want to limit immigration.
>TIL revolutionary anarchism isn't radical
Oh come one these people aren't 'revolutionary anarchists', they don't turn up at pro-gun demonstrations or protest the NSA for spying, which are real abuses of state power.
Instead they'd rather bully working class people and LARP as if they're members of the black army.

>Culturally it's very much 'the left', they approach things from a radical third worldist perspective that involves taking revenge on whites for perceived historical wrongs.
Some leftists do but mainstream culture doesn't. Most mainstream views on the Third World are white man's burden 2: patronising boogaloo.

Academia tends leftist in certain departments but rightist on economic ones, and economics is the core of leftism more so than literature or any other meme stuff where leftist arguments are common.

>You'd have to be high not to realise that academia is dominated by the left, and the media certainly is (at least socially).
Social media is almost entirely self-segregating. I'm leftist but the vast majority of my media intake is rightist.

>Whereas Tarquin and Sebastian can go back to their 99% white gated community after they're done screaming abuse and throwing rocks at the working class people who want to limit immigration.
I'm now 100% certain that you're an anglo, or at least a Scandi.

I've spent a lot of time with various anarchist movements in different countries in Europe. They don't live in gated communities, they usually live in squats or shitty shared apartments. You're talking shit about stuff that you don't know.

> they don't turn up at pro-gun demonstrations or protest the NSA for spying, which are real abuses of state power.
They absolutely do. The biggest demonstrations are usually during Davos or g8 meetings or on mayday. The exception being Greece where fascists and anarchists will come to fight each other and I can tell you from experience that the fascists there are the bullies.

Left wing radicalism has taken many shapes and forms. From hippies to trade unionists to king beheaders to libertarian revolutionaries in america. I assume you mean the more contemporary radical leftists of the maoist/lenist/whateverist variety of the modern 21st century.

In the west, left leaning radicalism had its roots heavily in the trade unions of America. A combination of better work place laws, standard of living and manufacturing moving overseas kind of removed much of the power that unions had so the torch bearers were passed to students and the radical young. This continues to this day, although much of what they wanted has been implemented into society already.

Likes like Occupy Wallstreet, the Bernie Bros, SJW and Black Lives Matter are all part of this initial movement and continues to splinter and reform. There is a distinct decentralization in these movements htat make it hard for them to achieve their goals but also hard for them to be stamped out by more conservative movements.

>TIL revolutionary anarchism isn't radical
claiming the name of anarchism doesn't make you an anarchist. only people i've met that actually fit the description of anarchism are some traditionalists and tribalists, who, on the other hand, are called fascists by those "anarchists"

>only people i've met that actually fit the description of anarchism are some traditionalists and tribalists
What exactly was anarchist about them? Because the only people I've met who've been anarchists and actually lived as such have either been leftists or hippies. I don't know where you live but in Europe, 90% of the time if there is an anarchist community it's going to be leftist.

their philosophy, their lifestyle, pretty much everything except they don't see why they should give a fuck about people they don't personally know.
they live in remote places with their families (if they have one), make their own living, at least partially from the land and don't care about government. those "hippies and anarchists" i know live more like hobos and are completely dependent from the government they hate so much.

Whenever I see anarchists marching in Dublin, they are always advocating for things like anti-racism legislation, provisions for refugees and migrants, and sex equality laws

All positions which require a strong centralized government entity to implement.

Are these people actual anarchists, or are they just liberals who like the mystique of anarchism?

>they live in remote places with their families (if they have one), make their own living, at least partially from the land and don't care about government.
Those sound like the hippies I know. The leftists usually are urban.

>and are completely dependent from the government they hate so much.
Not my experience at all. They have self-sufficient communities for the most part.

provisions for refugees aren't neccessarily at odds with anarchism
however legislation and law is, they could argue that it's pragmatic for them to support it, since it would help them transition into an anarchist state (not as in the state, but as in state of being) but in an ideal world they would reject these, as it's not the government's place to bestow such things upon people

>or are they just liberals who like the mystique of anarchism?
yes

I think things mean different things in Europe. They call small gov supporters fascist, and anarchists are communists. Conservatives in yurop also seem to support more government

They could be anarchists by ideology who advocate legislation as a stop gap measure for immediate issues. It's not inherently contradictory.

>Are these people actual anarchists, or are they just liberals who like the mystique of anarchism?
There's probably a lot of both

> they usually live in squats or shitty shared apartments
Yeah, slumming it by choice to affect an edgy bohemian mystique
I know lots of these douchebags from college days

>Yeah, slumming it by choice to affect an edgy bohemian mystique

>ideologues actually following their ideology
such hypocrites

Jews became the elite displacing the WASPs so they stopped supporting radical politics. Vast majority of radical agitators in the 30s-70s were jews. For example the Weather Underground whch was lamost entirely comprised of rich jewish kids

I suspect this is the reason many jews were hostile to the nomination of (((Bernie Sanders)))

>ideologues actually following their ideology
people with plenty of means who pretend that they don't in order to gain hipster streetcred are dickheads. Don't deny this.
I've never seen a worker from a lower class background choosing to live in a squat

WASPs are more powerful than Jews in the US, just look at our politicians

>I've never seen a worker from a lower class background choosing to live in a squat
The majority I know are from poor backgrounds, or at least as poor as it's possible to be in the west. Comfy people don't usually get involved in radical politics anyway.

Jews are based desu

>thinking that the WASPs still don't rule the world
kek

How would bugs rule the world? I mean I know that they're bigger then bees and stuff but they're just bugs.

Seconded.

You should get off your computer and meet some real antifascist anarchists in real life, most are the nicest dudes you can find out there.

Great question. Throughout the 70s, there were tons of Marxist terrorist groups... then they stopped.

Nah. Looks like Germany considering the text on the flag. I could understand there being English on it but if it's German it's probably in Germany and if there's no Greek it's probably not in Greece.

hippies got to it

They exist mostly in countries that have strong neo-fascist movement. Is more out of necessity to keep violent nazis in check than for the purpose of any revolution. Look at Greece for example, the fascist killed someone and the anti-fascist immediately retaliated shot three fascist.

>You should get off your computer and meet some real antifascist anarchists in real life, most are the nicest dudes you can find out there.
Until you let it slip that you don't hate being white and feel uncomfortable with the idea of a black man fucking your girlfriend.

I suggest taking a break from 4chins until you can get blac cock off your mind.

Nah.
It's not Veeky Forums's fault the left is full of fags.

People in general, not just left-wing radicalists, are getting more and more comfortable.

Comfort is intellectual death.

This is true and very relevant to what I was saying.

have you been living under a rock since like 2014?

> posting angry things in twitter
Wow! How radical. Move over Lenin and Mao, we got a real radicals now.

>just look at our politicians

America gives 3 billion dollars to Israel a year. AIPAC is the most powerful lobby in the US. Americas entire entertainment industry is controlled by jews and anyone who even mentions this has their career threatened

I can agree with this, from personal experience.

The guy was making fun of you.

Antifa are not one hivemind. There are legitimate anarchists, there are homeless, there are people from violent syndicates who don't give a shit and just want violence, there are communists, socialists and middle class and working class people protesting for immigration, economic policy, human rights, or identity politics.

I was involved with European Antifa for a few years and talked to a lot of people demonstrating for various reasons.

If anything Antifa is one of the most diverse groups, politically.

They're busy ensuring that globalist billionaires' plans for dumping the labour market in the west will work.

Most of them are uni students and media people so they don't understand what they are doing anyway.

He's an idiot. Everyone knows that Hornets pull the strings. Don't listen to the sheeple.

>I literally cannot stop thinking about black cocks

seek help

>If anything Antifa is one of the most diverse groups, politically.

its just a bunch of rich kids LARPing and destroying things belonging to people who said mean things about Islam after a muslim rapes and/or murdered someone for the 3rd time that month.

>3 billion dollars

user I'm sorry.. you realize that that's not a lot of money, right?

American military spending for this year will be estimated to be around 600 billion.

So, put in perspective, Israel is given 0.5% percent of the military spending.

That is half a percent, incase you were not aware.

> Americas entire entertainment industry is controlled by jews and anyone who even mentions this has their career threatened

articles.latimes.com/2008/dec/19/opinion/oe-stein19

An article about.. Jews running Hollywood. Written by a Jew. In one of the most read magazines in America.

You're objectively wrong, now please step down.

I'm sure you've interacted with and spoken with them on a daily basis for years and that your opinion is not just some unfounded bullshit that you pulled out of your fat, sweaty ass.

I'm not the guy you're replying to.

"Legitimate anarchists" from what I saw from my time in squats few years ago are mostly what Americans call liberals, just "anti-establishment"(which for them means "I smoke pot therefore I'm a-e" ones.

I remember a very politically-active guy who wondered if a proposition in Swedish parliament to tax meat is great or just good or who thought that nobody should be allowed to have a gun. When I've called him out on being retarded people jumped in his defence because apparently I am totally fascist for wanting people to be allowed to eat meat and have guns in stateless society. Wew lad.

Dunno how they are going to enforce their gun ban in the anarchist society they dream of(or meat tax, if we're at it) but they're up to no fucking good.

And this is one of the few examples from those years. They're up to no good.

lol how does America spending money on itself mean giving money to an already rich country is totally normal and/or justified?

>You're objectively wrong

lol sure. Abe Foxman and the anti-defamation league sure dont go after anyone that dares say anything about jews. (((Roman Polanski))) drugged and raped a 13 year old girl and Hollywood still defends him, yet completely blacklisted Mel Gibson because he got drunk and said some mean things about jews

>Roman Polanski
Pole here.

Our media defended him too. What a fucking disgrace.

not an argument. They are nothing but rich kids bullying poor kids because they want to play make believe and "stick it to the man xD!!" even though they are essentially just the brown shirts of the establishment.

>left
>right

>You're objectively wrong

In an interview with The Times newspaper on July 25, 2010, Stone claimed that America does not know "the full story" on Iran and complained about Jewish "domination" in parts of the U.S. media and foreign policy, notably his view that Adolf Hitler was misunderstood due to Jewish control of the media.[60] When Stone was asked why so much of an emphasis has been placed on the Holocaust, as opposed to the 20-plus million casualties the Soviet Union, for example, suffered in World War II, he stated that the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) was an overly powerful Jewish lobby within the U.S. The remarks were heavily criticized by Jewish groups, including the Simon Wiesenthal Center, from which Yuri Eidelstein described Stone's remarks as what "could be a sequel to the The Protocols of the Elders of Zion",[60] and the American Jewish Committee,[61] as well as from Israel's Diaspora Affairs and Public Diplomacy Minister.[60]

A day later, Stone stated: "In trying to make a broader historical point about the range of atrocities the Germans committed against many people, I made a clumsy association about the Holocaust, for which I am sorry and I regret. Jews obviously do not control media or any other industry. The fact that the Holocaust is still a very important, vivid and current matter today is, in fact, a great credit to the very hard work of a broad coalition of people committed to the remembrance of this atrocity—and it was an atrocity."[62]

Two days later, Stone issued a second apology to the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), which was accepted. "I believe he now understands the issues and where he was wrong, and this puts an end to the matter," said ADL National Director Abraham Foxman

>You're objectively wrong

In an interview in the July/August 2014 issue of Playboy magazine while promoting Dawn of the Planet of the Apes, Oldman criticized what he saw as excessive political correctness in American media and the entertainment industry's own discriminating hypocrisy, while arguing in support of former controversial celebrities Mel Gibson and Alec Baldwin. He stressed that he did not relate with most of their viewpoints but regarding the former agreed, "Gibson is in a town that's run by Jews"[143] (referring to Hollywood). After criticism from the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), Oldman apologised to them in an open letter.[144] ADL director Abraham Foxman acknowledged that Oldman was remorseful, but felt his letter was insufficient and asked for "a little more introspection, a little more understanding and a little more education".[144] Oldman then made a public apology on the 25 June edition of late-night talk show Jimmy Kimmel Live!, where he stressed that he was "profoundly sorry" for his "insensitive, pernicious and ill-informed" remarks.

>I was involved with European Antifa for a few years

just fucking kill yourself

There are many pseuds within Anarchist groups, just like there are many pseuds within any political group.

However, no group has as many pseuds as the conservatives do. I honestly miss genuine conservatism. Thank you Leo Strauss you fucking asshole.

Nah, anarchists are in 90% pseuds. Conservatives just have their entire establishment being pseuds.

>the antifa is fascist because they call everything they don't like fascist so that's why I'm calling them fascist because everything I don't like is fascist

>lol how does America spending money on itself mean giving money to an already rich country is totally normal and/or justified?

How is giving money to a political ally that you want to help in terms of warfare not entirely logical? Are you insane, my dear friend?

>lol sure. Abe Foxman and the anti-defamation league sure dont go after anyone that dares say anything about jews. (((Roman Polanski))) drugged and raped a 13 year old girl and Hollywood still defends him, yet completely blacklisted Mel Gibson because he got drunk and said some mean things about jews

How does that disprove anything I said? It is common knowledge that the jewish anti-defamation league is completely out of touch with the real world.

This does not change, in any way shape or form, your original point. Everyone is aware that Hollywood is (mostly) run by wealthy jews and people speak about it without being put in jail or losing their job.

It's a different story if you have an anti-semitic ramble. Mel Gibson in general is a piece of shit, it was just a matter of time until he lashed out against.. any group really.

I agree. But this has little to do with ethnicity, it has everything to do with wealth and fame making you a citizen of a different status.

>Not an argument

But l i t e r a l l y calling every single one of them "a LARPer who just wants to be violent" and enhancing the post with the popular "muh rapefugee" meme is clearly a coherent argument, right?

Kill yourself.

>They are nothing but rich kids

Yes, yes they are. As I said there's a decent amount of people who are l i t e r a l l y homeless/occupying. Some of them don't even get welfare because they won't (mostly can't into) bureaucracy.

I really don't see Hitler being misunderstood in any way and it doesn't strike me as odd in the slightest that uptight Jews would get pissed about that.

"Oh, see, Stalin was just misunderstood! He didn't mean harm when he let millions of people die in Gulags".

Yeah, right...

That's just embarrassing. He only made a mild allusion, he didn't even say anything concrete. I wonder why they lashed out at him in particular when there are hundreds of other popular anti-semites.

I don't have anything against Ennio, but that quote strikes me as really stupid.

I was alluding to Neo-Cons, not actual Conservatives.

>Mel Gibson in general is a piece of shit, it was just a matter of time until he lashed out against.. any group really.

pretty sure raping a 13 year old girl is more of a "piece of shit" move than being a drunk rambling asshole. And stop being retarded on purpose, Im not talking about Polanski getting out of any legal trouble because of his wealth, Im talking about how hollywood spiritually stood by him and continue to praise him.

way to just ignore my examples of them coming down on Oliver Stone and Gary Oldman though

> "muh rapefugee" meme is clearly a coherent argument, right?

because it is. Just because youre some rich kid who fetischises brown people, yet expect the plebs to actually deal with them doesnt change this.

>I'm calling them fascist because everything I don't like is fascist

youre fascist because you act exactly like fascist

you have no idea what you are talking about

And stop using western civilization as it one uniform thing, your mind is riddled with buzzwords.

>I really don't see Hitler being misunderstood in any way

except they were pissed at him mentioning how jews control media, as stated in his apology

My point still stands that jews run hollywood and those who mention it are blacklisted.

Permissive liberal capitalism is not "left" in any way. Unless you think hippies were leftist revolutionaries.

I hate American retards like you so damn much.

>implying I'm antifa
So a cat that acts* like a dog is a dog?

* (that is, what your biased and static perception of how a dog acts)

You're just throwing the word "fascist" around because they're big mean bullies, you're just like the antifa.

>just look at our politicians

fun fact: Rahm ISRAEL Emanuel has duel US and Israeli citizenship, and his father was part of the zionist terrorist group Irgun

Almost thought that was moonrunes at first.

was this incoherent non sequitur supposed to mean anything?

Stop disagreeing with me, you meanie fascist!

>pretty sure raping a 13 year old girl is more of a "piece of shit" move than being a drunk rambling asshole.

Why are you pinning the two against each other, that is nonsensical. What Polanski did is much worse than an anti-semitic rambling, no one said otherwise.

>way to just ignore my examples of them coming down on Oliver Stone and Gary Oldman though

..But I replied, at length: I mentioned how in the case of Stone the outrage was justified, while with Oldman it seemed like they lashed out for absolutely no reason, which made me skeptical.

>because it is. Just because youre some rich kid who fetischises brown people, yet expect the plebs to actually deal with them doesnt change this.

memes are never legitimate in any way. if you want to make a point then post a (non-swedish) statistic regarding refugee rape. don't parrot anti-intellectual bullshit.

I will not engage in serious discussion with someone who displays no intention whatsoever to present his arguments in a viable way. either post source or fuck off.

>My point still stands that jews run hollywood and those who mention it are blacklisted.

not everyone apparently, because the writer from the article I quoted never received any backlash, in spite of the article being noticed by lots of people.

if all you can do is shitpost under several layers of sarcasm, it means you lost the argument and are unable to articulate anything in response. thanks for playing though

>Just because youre some rich kid

also, this ad hominem was incredibly funny to me.

I've managed to live off of three bucks a day for two years, how about you, friend?

I don't bother my parents, or the state for money, I can keep myself afloat quite easily.

And before you reply with >third world country, I live in one of the wealthiest nations in Europe.