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Alright you cunts, I am SICK AND TIRED of you fucking naysayers shitting on PK mains, saying our character takes no skill. You know why PK mains always argue with you? BECAUSE WE'RE THE ONES WHO HAVE PLAYED HER ENOUGH TO REALIZE HOW DIFFICULT SHE ACTUALLY IS.
If you think PK is easy, go win a duel with her. Right now, I can wait. Oh, a Warden? Better just plant your guard lower left for that zone, then. Oh fucking WAIT, you have Reactive Block now! That attack that's free damage on you normally? Gonna have to learn to block that.
Okay, your enemy is a Lawbringer or Raider. You know they're just gonna sit there and parry everything. What do you do? Fucking NOTHING, that's what: he'll parry all your 500ms attacks because somehow being a low tier character justifies also being a turtling cuck. Best start whiffing that first light and trying to poke around his guard. But guess what? It takes like 15 of those to kill him, and he only needs to parry 3 OF THOSE TO KILL YOU. Easy, right?
Oh, a Warlord or Conqueror now? Great, full block actually makes him invincible. Have fun trying to get damage off on them when their entire movesets are based on LMAO BLOCK FRAMES. Sure, these defensive pieces of shit weren't 'Babbys First' enough, so now almost everything they can do will trade in their favor. But no, YOU'RE playing the easymode class, right?
You ever look at the difficulty rankings on each character? EVER NOTICE THAT PK IS LISTED AS 'HARD'? Wonder why that is? Because her moveset is garbage. She's a worse Orochi: at least when Orochi lands hits he shits out damage. PK is low damage fast attacks, and thats all she has going for her. You slow her down to make fighting her easier for the shitters? Congratulations, you just removed a high skill character from the viable pool. Hope you enjoy your tourneys with Shugokis running in circles for the entire duel, because that's what you're contributing to.
>this is what PK mains actually believe
This game has a significant amount of fundamental flaws, heaps of bugs and almost no dev support other than putting dab emotes or whatever in.
Shame really, if this game had anyone working on it who actually cared it could be great.
>Takes skill
A vast majority light smash, GB for bleed effect, etc. Although i will give you the high rep PKs are pretty skilled and i mean like rep 10+.
>Raider fight
Gonna stop you right there. I am a Raider main and have the absolute struggle playing Pks. Where is this meme coming from non-raider players? even with a parry the PK can dodge so fast you cant hit them fast enough, cause they side dodge out of the way. don't counter argue with GB, because sometime the parry moves them so far away it gives no time to GB
Reminder that revenge is balanced and if you disagree you're a no honor piece of scum
I mean look a lot of actual fighting with weapons IRL is staring. You want to minimize risk to yourself so you either try to psych out your opponent, try to get them to commit to a certain option that leaves them open or try to look for your own opening. IMO the number one thing to do is to make defense harder to do, make it just as, if not as hard as, attacking. Something like have blocking be it's own button input or something maybe? Idk, I'm not a game designer and that's probably a shit solution, but imo the problem in this game isn't offense, it's defense. Specifically defense being way too simple and easy to do while also being incredibly passive, which anyone who's ever used a weapon can tell you makes ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE.
it's pasta
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>Orochi
>he
>reddit spaces
commitu sudoku yourself yourself
*teleports next to u*
outta my way, kid...
And PK players gobble that pasta up like they're about to run a marathon
Either way, my statements are true. i want to end the Raider is PK killer meme
you could remove warden's shoulder charge entirely and he'd still be one of the better characters in the game
just removing the GB cancel shouldn't be an issue for anyone except warden mains who rely on it because they're complete trash
Orochi's duel partner must have been so sad :(
Yeah somehow I really don't buy that lmao. Exactly what does warden have besides shoulder bash mixup guessing games? Best way to bring shoulder bash under control is to remove the option to cancel into guardbreak, just cancel at beginning, regular, or charge. That and maybe get rid of the stamina damage on it, that never really made sense that people run out of stamina for trying to defend themselves, like, what?
Not pastafag but what's this
>reddit spaces
meme? I've been posting on this site with the same style as always for 11 years now but people have lately started
>reddit spacing
me
It's pasta that's not even a day old, unless I missed it's actual first posting.
Lets see, a fast as fuck zone that can punish a lot of things on reaction, a fast as fuck top light that's also a parry, strong guaranteed follow ups off just about everything, light into light, zone indicator bug, an unblockable.
Try playing a non top tier fucking faggot warden main.
>Update
The zone is unsafe, the top light his only 500ms standard attack, this is a good point, this is an alright point because 600 ms lights are parry bait, every class has this but only a few can abuse it, warden has the most "Balanced" fast zone, fair point.
Warden is a worse Orochi without his shoulder you goon.
Orochi has an upper light that is just as fast, and guarantees a second upper light
Can get Crushing Counter damage off a normal parry because his parries always confirm upper heavies.
Has a zone that's just as fast and is safe on block, unlike Warden's
Also, Warden doesn't have an unblockable without his shoulder bash, unless you're talking about Crushing Counter which is just a fucking parry.
Also, assassins can parry Warden's crushing. That makes Orochi even more of a better Warden.
I'm a lawbringer main lol but okay, fair enough, I see your point. Honestly don't fight enough wardens or play enough of that class, but most wardens I see never really react using zone. What guaranteed follow ups are you talking about? Zone indicator bug isn't something I really count as a strength of the character personally since it's not something that's unique to the character and also not really an intended thing. As far as the unblockable, shoulder bash in my opinion needs to be something you can either cancel into nothing at the start or charge to try for a read for heavier punish (something I only wish LB long arm could do). the fact that he gets armor for charging is also dumb imo, not sure why they thought that was a good idea, but that needs to go too imo. that and a whiffed shoulder bash really needs to be punishable with free GB. look, i'm not saying he's a bad character without guessing game meta, i just think if you actually bring his shoulder bash into line, and fix zone bug, i'm just saying i don't think he shits on the entire cast in a multitude of ways if you do.
also sorry that was a shittily formatted and grammatically horrible reply to read, i don't english all too well.
>it costs 500 steel to change your looks at high gear levels
>and theyre gonna nerf different stats making the insane investment in high quality items even more inefficient
your company is a fucking joke, ubisoft.
>Playing modes where gear stats matter
>Not sticking to superior Brawls
How long does it take you to find a match? I swear it takes way longer for me then dom or duel queues. maybe its the times I play at.
Never more than 2 minutes.
Crushing counter does more damage than an orochi top heavy.
true enough my friend
idk i'm pretty sure i saw it in the last thread or two, could be wrong
You caught me, Orochi's upper actually does 5 less damage.
I think last thread was the first.
reddit copied your posting style cause you're too cool granpa.
Where did you get this information?
It's been a while since I've played Orochi, so of course, I could be remembering wrong, but I'm fairly certain Orochi's top heavy does significantly less damage than crushing counter, not just 5.
I'm sure you can find a chart if you google it, but I just know the numbers. CC is 40 damage, the same as Warden's top heavy. Orochi's top heavy is 35.
I guess you're right, I just tested it in game, and it does look to be about a 5 damage difference. My bad.
It's fine man, I wasn't holding it against you.
if warden throws his zone out from neutral it's unsafe, yeah, but that would be stupid.
If you do a zone as soon as someone does a heavy you will hit them and cancel their heavy, even if they feint they wont react in time, or at least I've never seen anyone react in time. you can also use it after feinting a heavy and 9 times out of 10 they won't block it.
Top light can punish other peoples bashes and heavies. as well as having crushing counter.
Overall, if they just make it to where Warden wiffs his GB if you dash back away from his bash instead of him sliding 15 meters It would be fine, then if someone dashed back too early you can charge longer and get the top heavy punish. It then becomes skill to avoid it instead of luck
>brawls
>where you run into memelords running Warlord/Shugoki teams and camping the ledges that are literally unavoidable in brawls
No thanks
Can we nerf revenge already? I'm sick of getting one shot by Wardens because my teammate decided to stand next to him.
I just cant seem to do the wardens shoulder bash. using Kb+M, any tips. i got it to work once
W, Space, Middle Mouse.
GB after a dodge or light attack, hold if you want to charge the bash
If someone uses revenge, just run away man, hahaha, wait for it to go down :^)
Their zone is only as fast as your top light. Every single direction of a peacekeeper or alk attack is equally fast.
>Be Rep 1 Raider.
>Go into Dominion.
>My team is all sub-rep 1 characters.
>Their team is a Rep 10 Orochi, Rep 1 Shugoki, Rep 8 Peacekeeper, and a Rep 29 Conqueror.
>This is balanced matchmaking to Ubisoft.
>"It goes by skill, user, so it must mean we suck and you guys are great! xD!!!"
>Mfw
>Tfw there are people who unironically think you can easily run away from people in revenge
I don't get what you're point is
There is no audio but I made a vid of it anyways.
6-0 brawl as Ledgelord
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I firmly believe ubisoft designed their matchmaking around having the players be in queue for as little time as possible. I've gone from being matched against feint/ parry/ tech GB gods to "m-my first match :D" toddlers right after the other.
>Wow this looks like absolutely shitter tier cancer.
>Read the Post Edit at the END of the post.
>He literally lists out what Revenge should be and what I would be fine with it being.
I don't see the issue anymore.
You would be fine with revenge mode defense being buffed by 50%? Because right now people are already unkillable fucking tanks in revenge mode thanks to it
I think he means warden's zone isn't any better for interrupting heavies than most light attacks are
Fresh PK pasta courtesy of the official forums
>I'm a lawbringer main lol
That would explain why you're such an insufferable retard
I'm fine with that as long as they're not just murdering people with a single heavy attack. Honestly, it should allow people to be tanky so they can try and defend so their team can get to them. At least I'll know if I go to parry him in revenge, he won't wreck me if I miss my timing. What he proposed is fine, maybe the number's a bit whack, but raising the defense, removing the power boost and knock down on ridiculous things like shoulder bashes and headbutts would be fine. Then remove it completely from duel and brawl and we'd be set.
this is true, LB truly is only for the most retarded of stubborn people. but am i wrong?
>10 hours in one sitting.
Oh my.
Revenge defense is already overpowered as shit.
>Playing elimination
>It's 3v1 right now, the enemy is a Lawbringer
>We spend a solid two minutes just gangbanging the shit out of him trying to kill him
>He keeps getting revenge over and over and his defense is so high we barely take down his shield before he gets revenge again
>He also uses his healing feat during this
>Time runs out because we literally cannot kill him thanks to revenge defense being broken
It was fucking ridiculous how he was barely taking any damage
Then we should make it that you can only use revenge a certain amount of times. Like once or twice per life. If that kind of limit were put into place, that kind of infinite life shenanigans wouldn't happen either.
Actually, yeah. Lawbringer is for the people who just want to have fun but hey, I don't think you understand what that means.
?? lol when did this turn into a discussion about whether or not i know what fun means. look man, either argue against what i was pointing out about warden guessing game meta or fuck off lol nobody cares if i main lawbringer or if you think it's fun or if you think i know what fun is
I use LB to counter revenge bullshit.
Just pancake flip them until that shit wears off.
The problem with that though is that it would create a new meta of purposefully ganking someone to give them revenge, then both teammates run away and then come back, repeating until they run out of their revenge limit
I'm not even the same guy you were talking to lol bro u need to take a break, way to triggered.
>Just pancake flip them until that shit wars off
That is if they're not intelligent enough to dodge, it's pretty funny when they don't.
>Ledged thread
>Playing elimination as Lawbringer
>It's 2v1
>Find the last guy alive
>Pancake flip him
>Holy shit he doesn't know how to escape
>Flip him over and over
>Where the fuck is my teammate?
>Teammate is just watching, refusing to hit him so I'm just wasting stamina doing this
I fucking hate honorfags so goddamn much
That's true. It's a tough matter balancing Revenge. Take away too much and it's useless, take away too little and it doesn't change, and if you add stipulations to it, it just makes it abuseable.
>that was me
>im not an honorfag I just dislike you
It's fine by default, but any gear that alters revenge fucks with it too much.
Revenge was fine, the gear just makes it pure fucking cancer. I wouldn't even mind you two shotting people with it if you didn't gain it at such an insane fucking rate.
Also revenge by injury should have NEVER been a fucking stat on gear. I'm so fucking sick of nearly killing a Roach when he didn't block anything during the fight and he gets revenge and kills me. You're literally being rewarded for taking damage
You cut me deep user
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Peace keeper is a slut! A SLUT!
If they're in a gangbang and you position right, chances are they won't see you coming. Shugoki and Lawbringer really shut down revenge builds hard in a gank.
>will have 15000 tomorrow
>Want the weeb-ass petals for my orochi
>Also want the sweet moth hat and green pink colors for orochi
>Also kind of want the new burb hat for my raider
>various emotes and executions for my law, orochi and raider
WHAT DO?
>lewdfics and porn came to a grinding halt
ITS NOT FUCKING FAIR
What's hilarious to me is that people were trying to so hard to make the game competitively viable but ubisoft's all but outright refusal to communicate, balance or even fix bugs ended up killing it anyway.
Executions first because they effect gameplay.
Longer ones give more health, and shorter ones leave you less vulnerable to interruption (obviously)
Buy steel
Fem berserker has a nice ass.
>longer ones give you more health
N-NANI?!
You didn't know? I dunno if it's total length that gives health or just length until you stab them. If it's the former, lawbringer's impale is the best execution in the game I think because it gives you a longass execution's worth of health way up front.
afk over night?
I think it depends on how long until the victim is considered executed,
nah, i just will have it after the missions tomorrow. I am at 14607 and could probably grind it out if I wanted to, but im getting tired.
It corresponds to total length (which is why LB's impale is considered the best by people who care) but I'm not sure if it's a 1:1 correlation
>enemy wont fight in the open
>stands near a ledge and waits
>go over and ledge them
>they rage quit
fucking retards
>tfw enemy fucks up enough that my law light-heavy-unblockable combo actually connects and kills
>Enemy insists on fighting near a ledge
>They don't even attempt attacking, just trying to GB
>Tech every single GB
>They just try waiting for a parry now instead
>Don't attack because it's fucking obvious they want to parry for the free GB
>Quit because it's just a staring match
>Get hate mail calling me a pussy for quitting
I don't get turtles. They do nothing and then get mad when you don't want to keep playing with them
is assassins not getting knocked over by revenge shoves a feat or class trait or some nonsense
because it keeps fucking me up when I move in expecting a free downed hit
There's a bug right now that assassins can abuse to not fall over from revenge throws or throws when they're out of stamina
It's a glitch. They say they'll patch it.
>They say they'll patch it.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHA
Jesus Christ I hate and love shugokis at the same time. Fuck them in the ass
>Playing brawls on xbone as Lawbringer
>Enemy team has a rep 1 PK
>Decide I'm not dealing with light spam, ledge them every round I get them
>Final round they quit after I ledge them and send me hatemail "you're so petty"
>Point out that they're the ones who quit
>"I quit because people like you ruin that game"
>Tell them that PK is literally so OP on console she's banned from tournament play, so of course I'm gonna ledge him instead of dying to light spam
>No reply
Fucking PK players man
why is pk OP on console?
Console framerate is low enough that her attacks aren't visible for long enough to react to.
I know the feel dude
>kicking a shugoki's ass, feel sorry for him because he's a big fat teddy bear
>shugoki is kicking your ass, landing lights and headbutts and demon balling you like a pencildicked manlet
watching a shugoki get mobbed by the enemy team is a sad sight though
We have less time to respond to her light spam due to the frame rate difference
B-But muh cinematic 30fps!
I'm right alongside you laughing. Then I look at the hole in my wallet this fucking game left and I get somber again.
What music does your main listen when taking a break?