Euthanize Psychopaths

I don't know what a psychopath is.

yes

Then you're off to a great career in complaining about sociopaths

No, they exist because in a very small way they are biologically useful to have in a large population.

There are a number of correlated package traits having to do with non-linear thinking and innovation associated with psychopathy such that the accumulated worth of these traits taking into account their total population effect is a net gain for the population they inhabit.

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That sounds like something a psychopath would say, OP.

Why bother? Most people with ASPD (the actual disorder) are just drug addicts or petty criminals, not hollywood tier master manipulators or some shit.

The gain we'd get from it would be pretty minor, it would be pretty much impossible to do, and we'd be better served by putting the money into drug treatment facilities, mental health care and programs to get them into meaningful employment so they don't feel like they need to steal or sell drugs.

They're not useful at all really, but they're not some plague on humanity either.

Mosti inventors had empathhy so psychopaths didnt help us survive as a species.

Also psychopaths are cancer they have been the mortal enemies of our species since its inception.

They are small because their genes have slowly been weeded out the human genepool but the psychos were always good breeder so they arent gone yet. Blacks are what happens when the psychopath becomes the dominant mental form in a race.

I'm not talking about inventing, I'm talking about making the really tough life-or-death calls that decide if a tribe survived or died out. Normal people aren't ruthless enough to make decisions that will result in people's deaths, the fearlessness of psychopaths can be a vital resource in "lifeboat" situations.

Are you arguing that people with aspd have good decision making skills at all? They're impulsive as fuck, and inability to make good life decisions is a major part of the disorder.

You'd be better off relying on normal people with military experience for those situations, not some retard who's going to make an entirely emotion based decision.

Try reading what I said again. Sociopaths have certain traits that are invaluable in a life-or-death situation.

Read what I said again. They don't, and the other traits they possess mean that any benefit from a lack of empathy is lost.

Seriously, do some reading on this shit, don't just believe hollywood stereotypes. They're more like Tyrone down on the corner that's always trying to sell you drugs than Hannibal Lecter or some master politician.

That would probably create massive powergaps in every power structure around the world.

Psychopaths don't often find themselves in positions of power.

Sociopaths do though.

There's no difference except for whatever you make up in your head. The only current term is ASPD, and sociopath is just an old term for the disorder. I believe psychopath is too, but I don't know which edition of the DSM it's from.

Literally the same thing.

Most sociopaths are impulsive criminals, not all of them. The boards of top companies and the corridors of power are packed with psychopaths, they're every bit as over-represented there as they are in jail.

not all people who are incapable of empathy are psychopathic.

Psychopaths have mental breakdowns, sociopaths are generally healthy.

>same thing

there isn't just one anti-social personality disorder you know.

Actually giving birth is what drive the wolrd and bring suffering

If we made it so abortions were mandatory there would be no more suffering

You can make psychopaths productive people. They just need a good punishment reward system. You can't have your system reward bad behavior, otherwise psychopaths climb to the top because they don't care.

>Most sociopaths are impulsive criminals, not all of them.

Impulsiveness is one of the major symptoms of the disorder.

People with psychopathic traits are common in higher up places like corporate positions, but not full on people with ASPD. It just doesn't lend well to those sorts of positions.

>not all people who are incapable of empathy are psychopathic.

Where did I claim they were?

>Psychopaths have mental breakdowns, sociopaths are generally healthy.

You're just pulling this out of your ass, because not only is there no medical distinction, but the old definition of sociopathy (before it was replaced by ASPD) was nothing like you're saying.

There is. There's different presentations of the disorder (think miltons subtypes for the most simplified version), but it's still all the same disorder with the same symptoms.

>inb4 90% of people die

>inb4 ALL women die

kek

Go back to /r9k/, retard.

Psychopaths (and sociopaths) are a Hollywood meme, not an actual thing

If you kill the psychopaths wouldnt that make you a psychopath?

>if you kill your enemies they win

>if I shitpost on Veeky Forums I will win

You need pain to know pleasure. You should thank them.

Only good post ITT.

Nope sociopaths reproduce dark triad and all that. It is rewarded.

Most people reproduce, and reproduction is hardly a reward. They tend to sleep with other junkie sorts, it's not like they're having happy lives with good families.

Yes.

Then you would kill off 80% of the top businesses in the world

if that happened we'd lose some of our greatest heroes

movies and TV shows aren't real.
psychology isn't real either.

>Hawking
>Tesla
>Newton
>Einstein
>Coley
>Lee de Forest
>sociopaths

Lee de Forest was still poor and powerless and never profited from his inventions: Television

scientific progress advanced by lovers of science not greed, no profit motive or incentive other then intellectual challenge
Einstein: “The economic anarchy of capitalist society is the real source of evil”
“I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals. In such an economy, the means of production are owned by society itself and are utilized in a planned fashion. A planned economy, which adjusts production to the needs of the community, would distribute the work to be done among all those able to work and would guarantee a livelihood to every man, woman, and child.”

Hawking: "If machines produce everything we need, the outcome will depend on how things are distributed. Everyone can enjoy a life of luxurious leisure if the machine-produced wealth is shared, or most people can end up miserably poor if the machine-owners successfully lobby against wealth redistribution. So far, the trend seems to be toward the second option, with technology driving ever-increasing inequality."

Inferior cretin peasants are everywhere throughout this website you have no idea what it is like to really be superior.. from having homework and school work get 100% so often the teachers mark it 110% as a joke
From being a super fast runner
amazing at keyboard/piano, drums, acting, swimming, wood work, maths, English, sports, guitar, cunning and pattern matching with heightened senses and a vast range of cognitive abilities far beyond your comprehension to invalids quotes of Einstein and behavior of stefan hawkings time machine party all the way to invalidating your whole existance
Being able to manipulate people with the truth so much that you are almost immune to being thought of as a lier
To the range of memory and visual thinking of remembering your whole day as 2-3 years old
And also being able to remember 3 different visual displays of video in your head at the same time as seeing real life
Or having your memory as a GPS
Only the troubled people fully can start to see you aren't perfect but they them selves begin to be annoyed at your superiority
This is not narcism or some lie this is a bunch of facts
crushing everyone's mind through logic and tricks and truth to the point they are confused or you start to wonder
Am I human?
This is what it is like to have aspergers and psychopathy
BASICALY everything of psychopathy and aspergers
Without the misunderstanding or insanity
I am a hybrid

>posts on Veeky Forums
>superhuman
kek

>not just joining a society of their peers

we have 2 differently evolving human groups: sociopaths and socialists

does this mean that humanity should separate under pathologies?

antisocials live in a separate antisocial society, populated with only antisocials (sociopaths, psychopaths). only anti-socials are allowed to exist in this society. all sociopaths get to realize their biological potential by living in the society that their biology is fit for.

prosocials live in a separate society from antisocials, with antisocials being deported to their respective sociopathic society. prosocials finally achieve socialist reality programmed in their prosocial genetics and biology.

a prosocial society is where everyone is nice

Mr. Roger's neighborhood on a large scale, no prisons, no hierarchies, just niceness

the meanies wont be thriving in Mr. Roger's neighborhood

the meanies would live amongst their own
having no one to exploit and abuse but themselves

Who hurt you?

>antisocials live in a separate antisocial society

>a society of people who are against society

a gulag, prison is still an antisocial society. a society is a collective.

antisocials are often social and form gangs, mafias, oligarchies, elitist groups, corporations, ponzi/financial schemes etc..

but we talkin bout prosocials

a prosocial is the opposite of AntiSocialS (ass) (psychopath, sociopaths, cruel, greedy etc..)

a prosocial is anyone who isnt an ass

>behavior of stefan hawkings
>This is not narcism

Kek, this is close to being pretty a pretty good pasta, just needs a bit of work. Change up the format and make it a little bit shorter and I think it'd be better.

Many firemen are psychos.
I'd vouch to kill all traders rather than all psychopaths.

Would euthanizing pyschopaths make us ourselves pyschopaths? And who's definition of a pyschopath?

Nice work destroying our economy dingaling

Sounds like something a psychopath would suggest

Our world is lterally lead by psychopats.
What now?

Unfortunately 95% of todays society are learned psychopaths

>I'm talking about making the really tough life-or-death calls that decide if a tribe survived or died out.
Psychopaths make rash, short-sighted decisions that work out best for themselves, not best for everyone. They're also useless in warfare since they lack the spirit of self-sacrifice and are unable to work cohesively in a unit.

The idea that psychopaths were good for anything is utter nonsense.

this
not only are they useless they stifle progress and regress and revert any advancement of humanity

antisocials who's selfish aspirations ultimately destroy society
intentionally hampering, sabotaging, reversing, and harming the developments of society

history is filled with defeated prosocial, humble Teslas at the hands of antisocial Edisons

the reason why society has not progressed is because of antisocials leadership sabotoging and reversing any progress that benefits society

Reppressed Evolution of Man
Human civilization and advancement has been stagnant. All our technologies have not uplifted the condition of man and we still struggle with the same problems of 100 and even 1000 years ago.
We all know that Tesla wanted to advance human civilization forward by 1000 years, with free energy harnessing the earth's electromagnetic energy and transmitting it globally through the ionospehere and other advanced technologies,

this
not only are they useless they stifle progress and regress and revert any advancement of humanity

antisocials who's selfish aspirations ultimately destroy society
intentionally hampering, sabotaging, reversing, and harming the developments of society

history is filled with defeated prosocial, humble Teslas at the hands of antisocial Edisons

the reason why society has not progressed is because of antisocials leadership sabotoging and reversing any progress that benefits society

Reppressed Evolution of Man
Human civilization and advancement has been stagnant. All our technologies have not uplifted the condition of man and we still struggle with the same problems of 100 and even 1000 years ago.
We all know that Tesla wanted to advance human civilization forward by 1000 years, with free energy harnessing the earth's electromagnetic energy and transmitting it globally through the ionospehere and other advanced technologies,

>tesla
>pro-social

Are you using a different definition to the one I'm thinking of?

Of course. They do nothing for the good of others, except by accident.

There should be programs in place which make it so they can't gain so much power and control. The welfare of the lesser human should be of utmost concern. Charity should be mandatory, owning lots of money should be impossible because you are forced to give it to poor people. This would filter out a lot of psychopaths/sociopaths because there would be no reward for them.

a prosocial is a non-sociopath see . Tesla wasn't a sociopath, Tesla only strived selflessly to uplift humanity with free energy and other miraculous tech

Tesla been feeding pigeons, thousands of them for years.
Tesla walked to the park every day to feed the pigeons and even brought injured ones into his hotel room to nurse back to health.[180][181] He said that he had been visited by a specific injured white pigeon daily. Tesla spent over $2,000, including building a device that comfortably supported her so her bones could heal, to fix her broken wing and leg.[37] Tesla stated,

Tesla was asocial and prone to seclude himself with his work.[193][194][56][195] However, when he did engage in a social life, many people spoke very positively and admiringly of Tesla. Robert Underwood Johnson described him as attaining a "distinguished sweetness, sincerity, modesty, refinement, generosity

Tesla is widely considered by his biographers as a humanist regarding his worldview.

>effective leaders

effective leaders are historically the primary culprits of FUBARs

the world can do without "leaders" (politicians, managers, businessmen, bankers etc)

society has progressed due to technological innovations and scientific advances from science geeks who are motivated by their love of science

see

>Before the Stanley Milgram Experiment on Yale students, experts thought that about 1-3 % of the subjects would not stop giving shocks. They thought that you’d have to be pathological or a psychopath to do so.
>Still, 65 % never stopped giving shocks.

65% of the Yale subjects showed psychopathic behavior.
Alot of Yale students even said they felt a rush of power, joy, excitement when administering the fatal shocks to the victim.

“Politicians are more likely than people in the general population to be sociopaths. I think you would find no expert in the field of sociopathy/psychopathy/antisocial personality disorder who would dispute this... That a small minority of human beings literally have no conscience was and is a bitter pill for our society to swallow — but it does explain a great many things, shamelessly deceitful political behavior being one.”—Dr. Martha Stout, clinical psychologist and former instructor at Harvard Medical School

The willingness to prioritize power above all else, including the welfare of their fellow human beings, ruthlessness, callousness and an utter lack of conscience are among the defining traits of the sociopath.

A form of government interesting to ponerologists is one they have called pathocracy, in which individuals with personality disorders (especially psychopathy) occupy positions of power and influence. The result is a totalitarian system characterized by a government turned against its own people.

this

antisocials derive their power from others and attain disproportionate power

disproportionate power allocation via hierarchy, profit, finances, investments would be impossible in the prosocial society due to limits on hoarding and allocation of wealth/resources to individuals and the absence of hierarchy

the greedy antisocial would have the same social/financial power as an infant and thus have no methods to exploit and dominate over others

A pathocracy may emerge when a society is insufficiently guarded against the typical and inevitable minority of such abnormal pathology, which ?obaczewski asserts is caused by biology or genetics. He argues that in such cases these individuals infiltrate an institution or state, prevailing moral values are perverted into their opposite, and a coded language like Orwell's doublethink circulates into the mainstream, using paralogic and paramoralism in place of genuine logic and morality."

Psychopathic behaviour isn't the same thing as having ASPD, no more than sometimes hearing stuff makes you a schizophrenic, or being kind of up and down sometimes means you have Bipolar.

Everyone has some traits of any disorder. It being slightly stronger in people who spend their lives lying doesn't mean that they're full on psychopaths. You see how it says "psychopathic behaviour" instead of "Fit the criteria for a full diagnosis of ASPD"?

Read these posts
The idea of the corporate psychopath is a myth, people with ASPD don't have the decision making ability to do well in those fields, they simply don't have the control. And before you go "But some do!", no, they don't, both of those things are symptosm.

There is a legitimate debate that malignant narcissists should be labeled psychopath and also that the sociopath should be labeled the same. The difference between the last two is mostly higher functioning vs. lower. One is more likely to end up in prison the other will be a banker.

None of them have any real human empathy but some narcissist have a tad. Many people have narcissistic traits but that doesn't make them a milignant narcissist. Aslo psychopathic women are commonly misdiagnosed as histrionic among other things. Just like everything else, the psychology field and diagnostic system is a fuqing mess.

Psychopaths have always been around and sought power but we may be dealing with something different now, at least in scale. We have psychopaths aligning together in a very large and organized fashion. It's organized psychopathy going global. I am not sure anything like this has ever happened before.

>the corporate entity is 'an institutional psychopath' and a 'psychopathic creature.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticisms_of_corporations#Psychopathic_behavior
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Corporation_(film)
youtube.com/watch?v=Z4ou9rOssPg

>The organizational psychopath craves a god-like feeling of power and control over other people. They prefer to work at the very highest levels of their organizations, allowing them to control the greatest number of people. Psychopaths who are political leaders, managers, and CEOs fall into this category.

>According to Dutton, the ten careers that have the highest proportion of psychopaths are: CEO/managers, Lawyers, politicians, Media (TV/radio), Salesperson, businessmen
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy_in_the_workplace#The_organizational_psychopath
mnn.com/money/sustainable-business-practices/stories/the-business-world-is-full-of-psychopaths-grad-student

humans are social beings by nature

psycho/sociopaths are antisocial by nature. The DSM describes it literally as Antisocial Personality Disorder.

Mentally, psycho/sociopaths are fairly inhuman.

>There is a legitimate debate that malignant narcissists should be labeled psychopath

Why? They're a completely different disorder with a completely different treatment. Just because they can present similarly doesn't mean they're the same.

>Psychopaths have always been around and sought power but we may be dealing with something different now, at least in scale. We have psychopaths aligning together in a very large and organized fashion

Put your tinfoil hat back on /x/.

>the corporate entity is 'an institutional psychopath' and a 'psychopathic creature.

Have you read the article on it?
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Corporation_(film)#Critical_reception
>An interview clip with psychiatrist Robert D. Hare appears for several minutes in The Corporation [...] Hare has since objected to the manner in which his work was presented in the film and the use of his work to bolster what he describes as the film's questionable thesis and conclusions
>To refer to the corporation as psychopathic because of the behaviors of a carefully selected group of companies is like using the traits and behaviors of the most serious high-risk criminals to conclude that the criminal (that is, all criminals) is a psychopath. If [common diagnostic criteria] were applied to a random set of corporations, some might apply for the diagnosis of psychopathy, but most would not.

>According to Dutton, the ten careers that have the highest proportion of psychopaths are: CEO/managers, Lawyers, politicians, Media (TV/radio), Salesperson, businessmen

This is something that's mostly been a guess, not a conclusion that's been objectively drawn.
>sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/09/140908120716.htm
> It raises the possibility that large numbers of ruthless risk-takers are able to conceal their level of psychopathy as they rise to key managerial posts.
>raises the possibility

I can't access the source of the other to find out how it drew this conclusion.

After World War II, Imperator Soros fled alone as a poor 17-year-old immigrant to London, where he worked at a variety of small jobs. “I broke my leg and was taken care of, free of charge, by the National Health Service,” recalled Imperator Soros

Imperator Soros, Man Who Broke Leg and Healed his Leg in England, repays his gratitude to England by Breaking the Bank of England

Imperator Soros acknowledged that if it were not for free healthcare and caring Britain, he would have been permanently disfigured and walking with a permanent limp.

"I would arrest anybody who uses the word State (in any sense other than the inanimate realm of England and its inhabitants, a thing that has neither power, rights nor mind); and after a chance of recantation, execute them if they remained obstinate!"
-J.R.R. Tolkien

The corporate sociopaths are screamers, they threaten, they hold grudges, and they ruthlessly attack and scheme.

And then they're beguiling when need be.

Their behavior sees them promoted as they're seen as can-do go getters, and secondly - anyone with any character and/or options leaves the company via a new job or retirement, leaving behind only the optionless, thoroughly cowed cattle, and the lunatics in control.

This seems true in any medium or larger company, any military organization, and possibly in religious organizations.

Any hierarchy will in time become dominated by sociopaths.

And when they happen to control the Armed forces with nuclear weapons ... an extinction level event is ever more likely. This is what I fear.

Sociopaths gambling with all our lives, making bets ... and losing.

>round up all the psychopaths and ship them to their own little country

not a bad idea, actually
like the ancient religious plan of separating the psychopaths while the good have their utopia

would resolve societies critical problems

> round up all the psychopaths and ship them to their own little country
Wait a minute...

>implying autustic people wouldn't still invent stuff just because they enjoy it

>ITT: people who know nothing about psychopaths
Most of you are using psychopath and sociopath interchangeably, which is wrong.
Imo no, as another user pointed out, psychopaths are not burdened by an emotional attachment to others, this allows them to make decisions without being clouded by illogical feelings.
Psychopaths do commit a lot of crime, and often live semi nomadic lives, always moving around.
Their affinity for lying is not necessarily a bad thing, and since it is extremely difficult to spot a psychopath, as well as unravel their lies, they are quite skilled in the world of business, politics and military.
Cold, hard men are a necessary evil, when everyone makes decisions based on empathy and feelings, you get feminism and Sweden

>calls others out for lack of knowledge about people with aspd
>proceeds to praise their decision making skills and claim that they're excellent liars who do great in business and politics

Kek.

People with ASPD have terrible decision making skills, they're driven almost entirely by selfish emotions and are insanely impulsive, and are compulsive liars that get caught out constantly, or it becomes obvious within a few months.

There's a reason it's called superficial charm, because you meet them in passing and go "Wow, they sounded cool", but any longer than that, it becomes obvious what shit people they are.

Considering that they make up such a small portion of the population and have probably inflicted less pain on others than sincere militant (in the literal sense of the word) extremists it probably won't help much.

Not everyone with aspd is a psychopath.

>driven by selfish emotions
Yes and?

And yes psychopaths are impulsive but only due to certain emotions, mainly anger. Emotions like sadness, empathy and happiness are not relevant to them.

Ofcourse they will get caught out from time to time, because lying is their entire life, if your entire life consisted of climbing trees, you'd fall from time to time aswell.

Their impulsive behaviour comes from their will to dominate, which they are extremely good at.

Your argument is that they aren't all perfect liars, which is obvious because their just humans. Their just much better at it than the average person

ITT: people who have no idea what an actual clinically diagnosed psychopath is and base their """""knowledge"""""" off of movies and television
This guy gets it.

Psychopath is literally a clincally irrelevant term, only useful for describing fictional characters.
So called psychopaths aren't these puppet masters, often they have such a low opinion of people that they think the simplest of tricks can dupe them, and it fails horribly.

This is essentially just socialism but with the aim of controlling a very small minority of people.

>and it fails horribly
As with all things, practice makes perfect. Ofcourse they will fail, but they become much better liars and manipulators as they get older and gain more experience

Commies out

>I have no idea what a psychopath is and think that psychopathy and sociopathy are different things and are actual real clinical terms.

>Not everyone with aspd is a psychopath.

They are though. ASPD is just the current term for psychopathy or sociopathy. As said, it's just a term used in fiction these days, or interchangeably with ASPD if some doctor wants to be special about it.

>And yes psychopaths are impulsive but only due to certain emotions, mainly anger. Emotions like sadness, empathy and happiness are not relevant to them.

That's not true at all though. They don't feel remorse, but they can empathise, they can be happy, sad, depressed, angry, anything. It's just a personality disorder, it doesn't stop them feeling major emotions. If I remember right, extremely intense but short lasting emotions is a symptom of it, but I could be wrong there.

>Ofcourse they will get caught out from time to time, because lying is their entire life, if your entire life consisted of climbing trees, you'd fall from time to time aswell.

No, as in they just lie about shit for no reason, with no thought. They lie compulsively, they don't think before they do it often, they just lie.

>Your argument is that they aren't all perfect liars, which is obvious because their just humans. Their just much better at it than the average person

But they're not better at it than average, they're worse than average if anything, because most people think about if they're going to get caught before they lie most of the time. People with ASPD don't, as I said, they're compulsive liars.

Some are good at lying if they think about it, but there's plenty of normal people who are good liars too, and they don't have the issues with compulsive actions.

No, they really, really don't, because they still are just superficially charming, and lie without thinking. No matter what their age, a normal person who knows them beyond just meeting them in passing will realise their true nature, because it doesn't hold up.

The symptoms tend to fade as they reach around 50 anyway, from what we can tell.

>Not everyone with aspd is a psychopath.
Psychopath is a clinically irrelevant term and no psychiatrist would use it unless in an informal context.

>it's another "let's switch 'the Jews' for something else, so Veeky Forums agrees to genocide them" bait thread
Pathetic.

No man, you don't understand. This is history related because once there was a psychopath in history.

But seriously, at least the discussion in this thread is more constructive than "Baiting Catholics/Protestants/Orthodox posters #5837 Ft. Malaysian Spammer Guy".

Most humanities topics are okay, it's when they're blatant /pol/ bait or religion threads that it sucks. Though I don't really know it mental health is a humanities topic, but you get what I mean.

Punishment has no effect on psychopaths because they cant feel guilt or have a concept of personal accountability.

A human that is incapable of empathy.

ITT: "I have no idea what a psychopath is", and people pointing out that most people ITT have no idea what a psychopath is.
Also: Wrong, because guilt and accountability aren't the only mechanisms that affect prisoners.

Punishment has an effect on psychopaths, because it prevents them from engaging in pleasures, like eating well, taking drugs and driving fast.

Your implied inference is also wrong, because you didn't account for rewards, which can be used to manipulate psychopaths just like normal people.

Fuck this thread, though.

>The idea of the corporate psychopath is a myth
This.

It's a leftist myth perpetuated in order to attack capitalism. People in finance and corporations who do mean things usually don't do them because they're bad people but because they're too disconnected from the consequences of their actions and because the system rewards them for it.

The idea that corporations and banks were run by psychopaths is bullshit.

So much hate. I am sure all of you deserve so much more respect because of that conscience you all use so well.

Psychopaths; I admire you.

You realise that if you tried that you would just be using more intelligent psychopaths to kill the less intelligent ones?