Be honest

Contribute something to this thread or go the fuck away, I'm so sick of whiny cunts like you.

Where's your contribution you stupid cunt?

Are you another useless office worker?

I bet you post about how hard you work online on social media . along with meme pics of tradesmen with text overlayed that says shit like " i cant balance books but i can fuck your girl lol ;)" shit like that

I know your type. Stop being so fucking bitter over nothing

The second someone tells me they're in a union I fucking drop them.

I'm not even a tradesman you fuckin' drip.

Your whole thread is bitter you dope.

why do tradesmen think they're so vital to society? Their value stems from them spending money on stupid shit like 70inch 4k teevees and pickup trucks. I mean thanks for funding our economy and everything but aside from that any man who isn't retarded can do your job with a 'for dummies' book.

No, I don't look down on people based on their line of work. I really don't care if you are a NEET, or a cook, or a middle manager.

I think that tradesmen are insecure about their intelligence. Which is normal, since mind numbing work -like the trades usually are- tends to dull people's wits.

Oh I'm sure, I'm sure you can.

So when you need you microwave repaired, you can do it yourself.

Could you even read an electrical chart?

What are you 12?

Seriously, what do you do?
does your chair have an impression of your ass on it?

I sell pickup trucks to you and your buddies at high interest rates and make a killer commission. I've never had a microwave break in my life. If it did I'd troubleshoot it and if its worth my time fix it.

If not I'd just buy a new fucking microwave like anyone who makes a decent living. Why would I pay you to fix the fucking thing in 2 hours plus however long I'd have to wait to get your ass to my place.

It would take 30 minutes to buy the same microwave and install it. Sales is the only noble profession. Everything else is just coping.

You're literally a degenerate salesman.

You're actually nothing, a monkey could do your job more effectively.

Your job literally revolves around the fact most people are too stupid to know about vehicles before they buy them, so all you have to do is tell them in a sales-like tone and they fall for it.

You sell cars and you don't know anything about them, how red faced are you, when someone asks mechanical details?

I'd have an ounce of respect if you sold houses, but cars, Jesus, that's a job anyone can do by simply slapping "for sale" on the back windshield with their phone number LOL.

How red faced are you when we compare pay stubs?

I don't earn a commission based on how much I know about the vehicle (that's a mechanic's job, silly.)

The fact that I earn more than you by "simply slapping 'for sale' on the back windshield" should really offer some perspective on how low your profession is on the scale.

At the end of the day I have nicer things than you but that doesn't make me a better person. The fact that I never went to college or university and have nicer things than you however, does.

Im an art college student, but damn you sound condescending as fuck.

Money is money, and I know some people that makes hundreds of thousands a year doing them
those

They are richer than you, smarter than you, work harder than you.

>art student

The memelord himself has arrived kek

I know you're role-playing and all but what are you going to sell when the next recession hits and nobody wants to buy a new fat-assed pick-up for 19% APR?

Then I just sell people on other shit. Realistically just do public speaking and sales training telling people that they're just not working hard enough.

The people who buy pickups will always be buying pickups recession or not. They're fucking retarded.

>The people who buy pickups will always be buying pickups recession or not. They're fucking retarded.

Yeah, that's true. Hmmm.

I have a little bit of inside knowledge about this topic, so I'll give you guys my two cents.

My family is blue collar background. My grandpa got in to laying drywall in 1957, and today he has 1,000,000$ in his retirement account. He owns a 5br/3br house 25 minutes from San Francisco. My dad also does drywall but is about to retire soon, and he is a foreman that makes $55/hr literally just screaming at people all day. Myself, I am a university grad (BA in criminal justice) that graduated in Spring of '16 and decided to go to work with my dad until i figure out what I want to do. I start as a base guy getting $26.50, and after 10 weeks im eligible for promotion to apprentice and a pay bump to $30.xx. Now I will tell you this. All trades are different. Base journeyman electricians make $55/hr, and foremans make about 15% over base guys. It's tough work and you will have to work hard and move fast, and there is also a lot of banter and shit talking that goes on. Depending on whether or not you have thick enough skin to be able to take orders, work hard, and banter back. In short: pay is good, work is hard, but it depends on the trade and geographical location. If you want to enter the trades, go become an electrician or an elevator service constructor's union(those guys top out at 66$/hr but joining the union is very hard)

When my microwave is broken I'll buy a new one because I'm not fucking poor

I've worked in construction since i was 16 im 26 now and did most of the grunt work when i was younger, now i do what jobs i want on the job.

I also own and manage 3 rental properties and have an investment business that buys and sells debt, i kind of see both worlds.

Construction is fun to me, I always go somewhere different not the same cubicle everyday and then when we are done building we look back and say fuck yeah we built that. Its a good feeling to know you can build something and have it come out looking nice too.

I say just do what you enjoy the most, we do work for some rich people that are white collar, some of them love life and some of them are always miserable. Its the same for blue collar, there are some that won't trade it for anything because they love it, and then you have the ones that bitch and moan about how hard the work is.

I look down on people in Trade work not because of their wealth or potential earnings, but instead because of their low aspiration in life.

Atleast the faggots in college getting debt in the ass have a goal other than working 50 hour work weeks as a wage cuck for decades prior to owning a business

The only true Wagecucks are unambitious wage cucks

I'm currently a team-leader in a CNC shop. Make about $20/hr. It has pros and cons, but in general, I think it kind of sucks. I've decided I'm probably going to save up some money, get a real estate license, and move on to that.

>poorly build Ferrari
Hey, that's not nice.
Why do you have to be such a dick?

The Inspector gets paid more half the time for less work (though more accountability if he forgets to dot an i).

>I've worked in construction since i was 16 im 26
What specifically did you do between 16-26 and what do you do now? Laboring at 26 KEK

this.
You've been in this industry for a decade and you're still doing manual labor? The fuck?

I use to because that is what seems to be the normal and anyone could pick those jobs up.

However after some years I have come to realize we need more great people like this and we don't pay them enough, as doing a job and doing a job well are not the same.

Our would is full of roles and all of them are essential to make it all work.

Anyone remember the phone booth cleaners in Hitchhiker Guide to the Galaxy? That simple joke really is spot on.

I don't look down at anyone who does their job and does it well. That being said, it's easy to see that many blue-collar professionals are insecure about their career choice and education level. Many are abrasive towards white-collar workers out of hand just because they're bitter.

>extremely high demand for tradesmen
>make six figures under five years
>wear blue jeans everyday
>be outside when you want to be
>smoke whenever you want
>tell stupid people they're fucking stupid
>curse at your boss if you want/need to
>stand around half the time getting paid to bullshit because problems/no materials
>full benefits
>no faggot HR department
>get to be real man instead of limp-wristed wagecuck struggling for $50K while wearing a suit and sitting in a boring ass cube all day while millionaire bosses tell you to do things

Seems like the better way to go in my opinion.

or you know, you could be the millionaire boss cucking all of the wagies in the cubicals while you're fucking half of their wives.

>calls tradesman worthless retards that can be replaced by anyone who reads a for dummies book who's only value is purchasing consumer goods

>Is a car salesman with 1 week of training whose entire existence depends on tradesman creating his sale product, maintaining his product, repairing his product, and buying his product
>His job will be replaced by a robot within a decade(that will be built, maintained, and repaired by tradesman)

10/10 RUSED

>1 week of training

Do you even know the turnover on a 100% commission based position? Anyone can do a fucking trade. It's there for ex-cons and fucking loser stoners who fucked around in highschool. Technical skills are going to be replaced by automation. Sales is the highest valued skillset in the world. Tradesmen built the fucking the things but without salesmen they wouldn't have two pennies to rub together because more or less they're socially inept.

Pathetic excuse for a man, does your wife change all the bulbs for you?

Damn, I knew I should have taken millionaire training instead of a trade.

Are you memeing?

Do you even understand that automation has to be built, maintained and upgraded?

Sales is the most useless job in this world, people know what they want and if they don't, they'll buy any piece of shit without your input.

You've really exposed yourself as a retard here, friendo.

This goy knows his shit.

>but joining the union is very hard)

Well I'll be fucked, selective socialists.

A good salesman can get someone to buy shit they don't need. That's the whole point. Sales is just being quit witted and smooth talking. As long as commodities are traded, there will be sales positions. However, when you kick the Mexicans out, automation will come faster.

You've just got low testosterone.

Don't think I've ever been "talked" into things I don't need, I think TV advertising does a better job than a salesman, a salesman is such an obvious ruse it makes me hate the person.

Some drip car salesman tried to sell me a beat up Honda Integra, he blushed when I ran my hands over the tires and saw how bald they were, saw how braided the belt was and how loose the steering was.

He was pushing me for 1300, I told him i'd do 800, he rolled over like a pig in shit.

Ended up leaving his lot and just buying the car I liked more online, no salesman at all.

and it's how both my previous cars were bought.

I'm too consciously aware of the scum that is the car salesman for me to be tricked by them into buying an over priced SUV.

you're so poor you're buying beatup old shitboxes? I thought tradesmen were making all of that cashmoney nigga? At least you have your pride.

What's the exchange rate on pride these days? I've been so busy making actual money that I haven't gone and wasted my own time looking at cars I won't even buy just to berate a guy doing his job.

Tradesmen are hookers. They're paid for their time. They can be as proud as they want, they're still getting paid to suck a cock.

No nobility in poverty, chump.

This. I don't need someone to tell me what I want to buy.
Can you explain what trades would be automated? The only one that has been somewhat automated at all was welding. You can't build a robot to wire a house. Besides, when the Mexicans get kicked out, the pay will rise

>tradesmen are hookers
>literally has to whore himself and his wares as being worthy of the Masters coin

Alright faggot LOL.

does the concept of buying a car, for the purpose of improving it, even register to you?

I suppose not, the sight of getting your hands dirty horrifies you.

Keep your wife on a leash, make sure she doesn't hear you calling a man to come install a simple counter top.

Nah because when I buy a car I buy it ready to go because I'm not 16 years old and have no interest in making my car look like it delivers pizza.

You don't understand the fundamental difference between pimp and hoe. The pimp sells the hoe's time and body, not his own. The hoe does all the work, spends all the time, and gets paid by the hour for the service. Then the hoe gives the pimp the money and the pimp determines what is a fair amount for the hoe to be paid. Pimps are salesmen and managers, hoes are the product. You, yourself are a product that performs a service. You and every other person in the world that performs a service for a fee based on time spent are no more than hoes.

Stop projecting. Just 'cause your wife cucked you with your boss doesn't mean everyone else is as pathetic as you. Number one reason why women cheat is because their boyfriend has lost ambition and settled for where they're at. i.e. the guy who happily works for 25/h because that's what the market decided his time is worth.

It's not too late to get into sales man. It's in every industry, especially yours. Take a crack at selling the services you perform and have someone else do them. Fuck around with it for a month see what works and what doesn't. Then read some books on it, torrent a sales program, apply what you learn and make more money. You don't have to settle for being a hoe.

>25/h

maybe in North Korea, try 40.

Unless you own the car yard, you're the bosses slut.
You are the hoe and the pimp.

I think in this short thread, you've discovered how useless your profession is to the world and you're actually a bit insecure about it, you're afraid of people being able to use their own brain and buy what they want, without you.

Your job is done every day on craigslist.
Not a lot of house wiring being sold there.

>haha dumbass I don't suck dicks for $25 I do it for $40

You could discover the cure for cancer but unless you've got a salesman you won't make a dime.

I googled how to wire a house and got step-by-step instructions in a quarter of a second. Your entire education can be supplemented in a days worth of light reading and some number crunching.

You're forgetting the fact that over 50% of people are below average. People use their brain all the time, they're just not good at it. I'm not in the business of ripping people off. They want a vehicle I sell them a vehicle. Whether they can afford it or not is entirely dependent on them, not me. If in a year he can't make the payments on it and it get's repo'd that's on him.

I don't look down at anyone in life, I've been there and hated working those shitty jobs, if you have something you like and are good at, fucking stick with it. But if your job is picking up thrash outside, that isn't a job anyone should do long term...

>You could discover the cure for cancer but unless you've got a salesman you won't make a dime.

1 tweet

"I discovered the cure for cancer, you can buy it on my website here:"

oh fuck, my salesmanship.

It advertises itself.

Oh you can explain this chart to me then and which materials you'll need.

You can get instructions on how to build a fucking LHC too, doesn't mean you can do it.

You can read off a page what to do, that doesn't mean you understand how it works, so at any time during your assumed simplicity of wiring a house, something doesn't quite fit, something needs to be cut, you completely and utterly fall apart.

If you actually cure cancer every pharma company in the world would be knocking on your door.
A vending machine doesn't need some guy standing in front to convince me to buy a soda. The soda company and vending company still make money

One months work.

I worked for a company as a laborer for a few years in the dirt biz. Saved up money and bought my own truck to start out with. I'm 3 yrs into my own company.

I genuinely love what I do and owning heavy equipment is like buying huge toys.

Do what you love don't worry about your image. Every millionaire I know wears work boots.

No, not necessarily.

In my experience there are a rare few who dont act like fucking morons and actually take their job seriously.

But the vast majority of the people I have encountered are mainly highschool dropouts/early 20 somethings who made shit life choices like getting a 19 year old pregnant.

>inb4 Was an apprentice for a while
>Kneepads sucked, went to school instead
>muchbetterforme.png

There might not be any "prestige" to it, but it needs to be done and if you take your career seriously and keep improving your skills and qualifications you can do quite well.

Downside is its shitty labour and takes forever to make more skrilla (depending where you live).

I would probably trust them with getting something dirty done well and not bitching too much about it but yea I will think they aren't as smart as I am.

>One months work.
>I worked for a company as a laborer for a few years in the dirt biz. Saved up money and bought my own truck to start out with. I'm 3 yrs into my own company.
>I genuinely love what I do and owning heavy equipment is like buying huge toys.
>Do what you love don't worry about your image. Every millionaire I know wears work boots.
What exactly do you do user?

Move dirt so people can build houses. Site prep. Dig trenches for street lights, final grading for sidewalks etc.

list of qualifications?

Know what the fuck your doing and don't get yourself or anyone else killed. Be willing to bust your ass. Be a good talker.

No tradie earns six figures unless they're running their own company.

Anyway, I think learning a trade is as viable and, at this point in time, a better option than going to college to learn a meme degree (so, anything other than STEM).

However most tradies I know are dumb, drug/smoke/alcohol addicted pieces of shit. They didn't enter their profession because they sat down and decided college wasn't for them, it was because they are just too dumb or dropped out of highschool. Those who are passionate and intelligent about what they do are a precious few.

>be a good talker

not for me then, I much prefer people who are direct and not fuck arounds.

I like people who know what they want and want what I have, the prospect of fishing for people is irritating.

As far as busting and ass and knowing what to do, no problems there.

I'd love to work with heavy machinery, graders, diggers etc.

You think a good move is begin with driving the things, learn the business from the bottom, bust ass for management position then start own business with leased equipment?

You misunderstood.

Be a good talker as in be likeable. Everything good that has ever come to me is through relationships I've developed. I find someone who is rich and find a way I could be of value to their company. It's just a two way street.

It's a great business with a MASSIVE financial barrier to entry. You can just rent equipment when you need it but you better know how to do a good job start to finish. I work always did the best job I could.

Those machines on the side of the road cost more than most people's houses. If you can figure out how to break in and stay in, getting rich is a matter of time.

Yeah, I mean obviously you wont be buying that equipment off the jump.

Competing with the bigger companies seems like an absolute pain in the ass, but you probably have the advantage in lower cost, I don't see how you get good clients if you're just breaking in, aren't they more likely to trust an experienced company?
then again, I guess this is the good talker part of the deal.

I mean, once you buy your first piece of equipment, you can just lease it on the downtime and probably make good money.

Seems like a fun industry user, big learning curve though, as is anything worthwhile.

Yes. And I'll tell you why, people that work in trades have no balls. Same with the people in cubicles. At least that faggot in a cubicle gets to sit in a nice temperature controlled environment. He gets shit pay but it sure beats the heck out of abusing your body.

So many tradesman have absolutely destroyed their bodies by the time they are in their 40's and 50's. Bad backs, bad knees, not to mention any on the job injuries. Many are simple dumbasses that are one recession away from losing everything. That is if their ex-wife or pig wife hasn't taken it all already.

The only men who have balls own their own companies. If you're joining a trade to later own a company in the field, I feel this is an acceptable trade-off. But most tell themselves this and never do. They're too exhausted when they come home from work every day. They're just tired enough to sit and watch stupid tv for 4-5 hours before bedtime.

Fuck that! Be a man. Shoot for owning your own business or making money through investment.

there is a big problem with working in trades in certain countries.

workers/employers are not unified and tradesman are getting ass fucked with poor wages/conditions.
only worth it if its in europe/america where you have decent unions.

Bigger companies won't get out of bed for a $2000 job. You can do stuff like that out of a pickup truck, that's how I broke in.

After that you go to those bigger companies and do all the clean up work for them. Every big job comes with a million little things to do. You just need to get creative how you work it.

I started with property management companies. Now I won't even return their calls for those $2000 jobs, I don't have the time.

Uhh..

How do you plan to start a business without busting your ass initially?

What business do you own, how did you start out?

shit user, you're getting me all jittery and excited.

I can probably envision starting out with small bulldozers and small diggers, doing those smaller hundred - $1000 jobs until I can get my hands on the bigger stuff.

I can imagine a plethora of work that could be had with a small digger, swimming pools, water features, dirt shifting/removal.

I'd love to build some BMX tracks and shit I can see being used and enjoyed.

Now you got me speculating.

Actually started out doing IT work, which was awful. However I made several connections and spent every waking moment getting into website design and making clients.

This snowballed to me leaving eventually and making big bucks on my own over-charging simple dumbasses for basic shit. Very simple, I make more in a week now than most of these tradesman do in 2-3 months.

Dude i was doing those jobs out of my car. A small machine is still 45k used. Learn how to do concrete. I started repairing cracked sidewalks and shit.

$50/hr @ 2000 annually is 100k.

show me an example site.

I always thought sidewalks only went to bigger companies?
I don't know shit, but I live in socialist New Zealand, so I don't know about the US.

I always see the company here FH (Fulton Hogan) doing all sidewalk/road repairs, they have quite a monopoly going on that.

Always wanted to work for myself, you've given me inspiration, if all else fails, i'll go back to wage cuckery.

Go look at companies that manage properties for malls and apartment complexes. Anything owned by the public is paid for by tax dollars and is totally different.

absolutely right.

my only concern is fucking it up and getting a bad reputation, so I tend to get over cautious, which I guess is also a good thing.

God speed user, make millions.

>an investment business that buys and sells debt
How difficult is it to get into that? I pretty much do that for my boss already with how many accounts just drag their asses - if I could buy the debt he still has and keep what I chase down for myself I'd be way better off.

/thread

Thanks to the baby boomers and their yuppie memes the whole fucking system went backwards. Chad mcfaggot is sweating bullets in a PC office so he can make $45k a year and get his 2 weeks off. Meanwhile the roughnecks are making $100k a year and can say and do pretty much whatever the fuck they want at the job site as long as the work gets done.

Posted my story before, but Lord Jesus if I could go back in time and do 2 things, the first would be to fuck Jessica back when I was in highschool, and the second would be to take up a trade at 18 instead of going to college.

Don't really do much manual labor on the job after awhile. If you read my post i mentioned i did most of the grunt work when i was younger.

Most of the hard labor is done by new guys, young guys or the old guys that are too stupid to move forward. The skilled laborer doesn't do much hard labor, im the skilled laborer. Someone else carrys my tile, my conrete, mixes my concrete, carrys the dry wall up stairs, carrys the wood from one side of the job to the other... It's pretty nice if you play it right, some guys just sit in a tractor all day and get paid decent money.

yeah, I work in trades.

I tend to look down on hourly employees that don't want to move to management or ownership.

but I also realize the reason I do that is because I'm insecure about my own choices and have a hard time accepting that others have different strengths and priorities than I do. So even if I didn't look down on them for that I'd find a different reason. Just like they look down on me for prioritizing money and career over happiness or family or whatever they value most.

it's an ego game, everyone justifies their own choices and thinks less of people that don't agree with them. Just human nature.

>You're literally a degenerate salesman
Not a figurative one?

>No tradie earns six figures unless they're running their own company.
Plenty of them do because they work a lot of overtime

Make fun of me all you want. I make $18.50hr. 50 hours a week. Watched anchorman 2 for the 4th time today and shitposted.

Loaded 1 truck so far.

Work by myself.

Awesome company and benefits.

Oh, dropped out of junior college twice. These guys somehow thought I knew wtf I was doing.

Learned how to run my loader off youtube.

I will retire or they will find my hunched over in the loader.

There are worse jobs.

Sales is the only noble profession.

>WAT.

Lying your ass off and raping people is noble?

You a fucking Muslim?

Sales was the only job I ever quit because of ethics.

Dafuq...

Nice. I ran a dump truck. Having shitty "toys" is like having another job. Fml. Grats to u tho user. Same here. Shocked how many rich guys work every day...

Lmao pretty true desu. Ive gotten into fist fights on the job

Well I'm in a trade and make 6 figures so it's probably me looking down at you

some of my close buddies work construction and make memes like pic related, but i don't think i'm better than them.

Tell that to my bro that got melted with 440. Google is not a teacher to start fucking with your outlets from.

Not in yells dick measuring contest. Just my 2 cents. I've seen people die from shit like this

ethics are subjective. People try and get more than they deserve. I simply profit off of their own greed. Fuck 'em I know how to spend their money better.

>says someone who never worked in a trade

Agreed. I went to college and ended up in construction. Go figure.

Hey, it's not a good project year unless there's two fistfights and thrown hardhats.

What do you do, user?

Throw the slip? Spinning chain? Trip pipe?

Please tell me you're a real man and not one of those panzies that uses the big pneumatic tongs because hurr durr muh safety.

How's the heat in all that tyvec? Haha!

earning 6 figures and not being able to go out after or during work without taking a shower isn't fucking worth it. No one cares how much you earn, it's how rich you appear. How effortless you make it seem. The fucker doing your plumbing might make 100k sure but at the end of the day that cunt is still digging through your shit.

Meanwhile salesmen wear clean, tailored clothes and get to view buying a $4,000 suit as an investment rather than an expense. Every dollar I ever spend is in the interest of earning a return. Especially with credit cards getting me flights for free.

Unlike sales, trades have an earning's ceiling.

So what you're saying is that you're a faggot who has a burning desire to be pretty at all times wearing nancyboy clothes. Wouldn't want you to break a nail, cupcake.

I'm the faggot who earns a raise every time he dresses just a little bit better. Just remember that when your girl is out shopping and she sees me she always thinks "why can't the guy I'm with have enough self respect to clean up a little bit?"

I can sell your dumbass friends overpriced trim kits on their shitty pickups and I can sell your girl on the privilege of cucking you with my glorious, well-groomed, coconut scented, uncut cock.

But you're the real man. The hard working fella who gets his hands dirty with a bunch of other sweaty guys. I'm content with being the bull and keeping clean.

everyone in this thread is horribly insecure and bitter as fuck lmao

i too am bitter and insecure but at least its for reasons unrelated to my job