/fhg/ For Honor General

IWANTTOBEMAKINGFUCK!BERSEERRRKER!

Yeah, there are a few moves that are burned into my brain. Re-training myself will take time, but if it's worth it, I'll do it.

No one replied last time so I'm posting again
How would you r8 these changes for Raider?
Not all of them would have to be implemented at the same time, but I'd like to know your guy's opinions of them.
>Stampede charge is now faster with better tracking, but Raider takes additional damage if he's hit while charging or after he whiffs for a short period of time
>Raider can superior block moves while sprinting, and can choose the direction of his Reaping Charge
>Grabs and forward throws guarantee side heavies, wallbash guarantees top heavy
>Basic Zone costs 1/4 stamina instead of 1/2, both Basic and Combo Zone get a half cost rebate when feinted
>Zone attack can now be feinted later in the animation
>Forward Wallbash now deals HP damage alongside stam damage
>foward throw onto ground now damages stamina more the longer you carry them
>Combo Zone is uninterruptable

femconq is very small in comparison to lawbringer

>zone attack can be feinted later in the animation
that would be so fucking stupid
his feints on it are fine already, really don't need to be cancelling it last second

It's come to a point where I respect Peacekeepers more than Wardens

>Face a Warden
>He says Warden is countered by rolling backwards
>Tell him that is a half-truth because if I roll backwards, we reset to neutral, only I have less stamina now
>He just says "no" and "roll backwards" over and over with winky faces

Dunno what I expected from a Warden main. At least Warlords and Shugoki don't defend their bullshit.

Centurion

>ledge someone in dominion
>wow!
>wow!
>wow!
>"blocked"

PKs are salt mines.

I've tried to break my controller habit twice now, and I find myself getting frustrated and going back to it
I never feel like I have control over the moves I do with the KBM, like there's no weight to them and I can easily just switch to accidentally doing an attack from a direction I don't mean to
Feinting is throwing me off too because I bound my GB to a side mouse button and I naturally want to feint with the B button on a controller.

I hate this but I want to git gud

>at least warlords and shugoki don't defend their bullshit

yes, yes they do
i have yet to fight a warlord who wasn't hyper delusional and a shugoki who was a genuinely good person

just because wardens are scum, don't let them outshine everybody else's flaws lol

too bad he sucks

A fast player on PC can parry a Peacekeeper. Wardens SOLELY attack from safe, and if you're playing certain characters you have simply zero options to deal with that. The whole game reduces to a 50/50 guess, which would be fine if he got punished brutally for failure, but he doesn't. It's entirely safe. If he succeeds in the guess, he gets a free heavy or a double light. If he fails in the guess, he resets to neutral and can restart his guessing game. The only time this doesn't really "work" is Warden versus Warden, but even then.

Shugoki main here, I'll defend everything but the 50/50.
Maybe lessen the lock on range for GB so warden and shugo can't pull shit like that? That could have adverse affect on other characters though.

I hate when yourgetting ganked and it wont fucking lock onto the person you want

I just had a 10 minute argument with a Rep 13 Warden main and he said the exact same thing, I told him rolling away counters it but it costs half my stamina bar and he can just start his sequence over again except I have less stamina

When you have NO stamina you can't counter it at all

I spam vortex like a madman.
There is no way to take this game seriously, it's just straight up broken.

>Run out of stamina
>Try to dodge it
>Guess wrong
>Get thrown on the ground and eat a top heavy and some other stuff
>"THIS IS FINE YOU JUST NEED TO DODGE IT!"

I main Warden.
I lose my shit every time someone tries to roll away.
The only thing you can do is guess, and you better guess right.

Make it so Warden can't grab out of his shoulder charge. There, it's not balanced and Warden has a fine kit where every single time he charges his shoulder you have to guess and failure to guess correctly results in severe punishment.

That's good, but how would you fix shugoki? I'd say make his sprinting GB not be able to lock onto a mid -dodge hero so he has to pause and hit them on the recovery. That way they can counter guardbreak and the 50/50 is between knockdown and reset to neutral at no cost tot he victim.

Literally all they need to do is make it so he can't lunge forward 10m to GB you/ can't GB after he starts actually moving forward when you dodge backwards. If you dodge too early he can charge longer for the free heavy or if you side dodge he can gb you. Then it's not a guessing game it's something you can consciously avoid

Thanks Steroid!
Ignore the shitcans throwing shade, you're the hero the general deserves.

>can't get shit out of a heavy parry with raider
I can't stand for this.

Raider is literally bottom tier. Worse than Kensei and Lawbringer now.

Goki main here, and I will never try to defend the 50/50 or use it. I'd be perfectly happy with them heavily nerfing it, hopefully this comes along with defense meta changes so openers like that aren't needed. Until that time I'll just keep refusing to use it and bitch about how many Shugoki there are since it came about. Used to be low pick, but not anymore.

I might switch back to Zerk or Nobushi until it all dies down.

>whn your duel oppoenet gets so mad because he cant beat your shug he begs for death

No respect for these vortex dudes
No respect whatsoever for 'em

you get GB zone on non assassins or bad assassins, GB carry throw on ground zone on anyone, and if there is a wall in a 5m radius you get a free heavy. pretty sure you get side heavy for parrying hybrids, ken and goki. If not then whatever, most characters cant punish heavy parries on them

What is the Shugoki 50/50? The charge?

It's gotten to the point where I absolutely despise fighting shugokis, because most of them abuse that 50/50 bullshit.

If I'm dueling, and the shugoki starts doing that, I'm leaving the match. It's not even that I can't deal with it, I just don't want to, it's not worth the stress.

he can charge or GB you

It's not fun to deal with because it's pure luck. Video games aren't meant to be gambling, they're meant to be reflexes and skill.

you can pretty much sprint spin on the spot as shugoki and get into the oni charge, or guardbreak.

If I parry Warden, PK, Orochi ZA, does it count as a light parry? Or is the recovery time is the same as heavy parry?

all zone attacks count as heavy which they should change, anyone with a 600ms or faster zone should be considered a light but thats just not the case.

ZAs count as heavies for everyone except PK. This is why Warden ZA is unsafe on block, he doesn't get the block stagger but instead goes into his own attack recovery which lasts longer.

don't bother parrying warden's zone, i think it's a heavy but you can block it for a free GB anyway

PK's was turned into a light recently, and i'm not sure about orochi's

I side with you on this. I was firmly against leaving matches even if I was sure I would lose, but the 50/50 is total bullshit. If they start with that nonsense I'd back out too. Same goes for Raiders exploiting the unparryable bug.

>tracking
No tracking, but a larger hitbox. No speed buff.
>sprint-attacks
nah, he'd be too annoying to fight
>grabs and forward throws guarantee side heavies, wallbash guarantees top heavy
this should be a default for everyone.
>stam
Should be one or the other- either less stamina (and not that much) or a refund for feinting.
Honestly I'd rather get hyperarmor so you can use it to punish ganksquads, light-spammers, and other hyperarmor users, and keep it expensive.
>feinted later
eh, I don't want raider to turn into a lame kensei with >>>muh feinted unblockables
>hp+stam damage
I'd be ok with this, but it'd be a double-edged sword in elim. Which is fine by me.
>carrying = lost stam
no, makes no sense. Buff the forward->wall, not forward->miss
>combo-zone get hyperarmor
ya, as said earlier. I'd give it to neutral as well.

If Warden zone counted as a light it would be safe on block, which it currently isn't.

Just a daily note that console pk is bullshit.

I've gotten ad mortem off of parrying orochi zone, pretty sure it counts as a light, I did it multiple times and they never dodged or parried.

That just means the Orochi was retarded.

I wish there was a way to make unblockables have the normal indicator, it already has a noticeable enough audio and visual indicator.

I never said wardens zone is counted as a light.

He probably tried to parry you and failed.

50/50

What? I am out of the loop

You said it should be changed to do so. Are you a Warden main?

Maybe he was going for deflect?

Sprint at enemy. They have to dodge the charge, which loses to a GB, or stand still to tech the GB, which loses to a charge.

How do you do fellow non PK players? I think we should stop calling PK overpowered, after all it's our responsibility as good players to deal with a character that can reliably win by spamming light attacks

Why not poke instead?

Because Uninterruptible Stance.

Also parry.

>only playing against rep 5 players
>I'm barely level 15
How do this people level so fast?

The orders level you up crazy fast. It's really not hard to gain levels.

Doing orders and playing 4v4.

No and i think it should be unsafe on block still and give light parry counters when parried.

I think pks should be unsafe on block aswell.

>No and i think it should be unsafe on block still and give light parry counters when parried.
Can't have both.

Just ran into this group of four guys on ps4 who each have a different playing card as their emblem. Every one of them had 108 gear score, and were all high reputation. There was a Kensei who was rep 16. They were some of the worst players I've ever seen.

The kensei, no exaggeration, literally only did the side step dash move. Nothing else. Parry'd him every time, yet he would just keep doing it. The Orochi would do the storm rush from neutral with no mixup. The shugoki would just swing for the fences and get parry'd. The valk wasn't awful but was pretty basic and predictable. I was kind of scared at first because I thought maybe they were toying with us and were going to really turn on the sauce and fuck us up in a round or two as some kind of mind game. But they didn't, we beat them pretty easily.

I'm assuming they are all afk'ers because there's no way you can play a game for that long and be that bad at it. right?

>there's no way you can play a game for that long and be that bad at it. right?

Wrong. It is perfectly possible to just be a casual NEET with too much free time and no talent. Especially if you have friends to play with in a premade group - that way you can have fun without playing to win.

youtube.com/watch?v=7spVNFay4S4&feature=youtu.be

This right here explains why thus game is such a bitch to balance. The majority of people are such absolute dogshit that it's almost like they are playing an entirely different game than the high ranked players. Game actually seems kinda fair at the low levels, but you see the official win/lose plot of heroes for top rank and it's blood red.

>tfw you start feeling bad about vortexing a kensei
I don't know anymore.

I only use that if they are being really passive and wont attack, usually it's my hyperarmoring and punishing them through their attacks

>I'm assuming they are all afk'ers because there's no way you can play a game for that long and be that bad at it. right?
you sure as shit can. I mean, one of my friends, rep 12 raider, didn't even know how to parry until a few days ago. People don't play tutorials, they don't learn how to counter, even if they lose 10 times in a row they just keep doing the same things. Those guys have probably just played against a bunch of easy enemies, aka why most of them are one trick ponies.

>tfw you face a Rep 20 in genuine, fun, honorabu combat and get your shit pushed in as a Warlord

It was humbling in the best of ways. I learned a lot about how to not be a scrub.

>Go into a Lawbringer vs Lawbringer
>Neither of us can do anything
>Get bored and start Long Arming, knowing it will never hit
>Guy hits me a few times but the rounds last forever anyway
>Tell him I'm really not in the mood and quit

No point playing if this is how it's gonna be.

I mean shit, I normally just play against the AI myself, because I'm a lazy fuck. But whenever I've dabbled into pvp, most players are literally worse than level 2 bots. And I'm talking about rep 5+ people. They might parry once, but thats it.

>Tfw spent the first month of the games release too afraid of fucking up to even try parrying
Now I'm parrying nonstop

lb vs lb is pretty much tic-tac-toe
requires only a little practice and forethought and suddenly its an endless stalemate.

He didn't try do to dodge it even once.
I don't if he gave up or really didn't know what to do.

The only way out of a Wardens vortex is Alt F4

People think the poke on shove made things better, but it didn't. A good player can reliably block that on reaction or dodge it. It just creates this pointless shitfest where both players are feinting into feints into feints into feints and sometimes lights.

Yeah, basically. Get a Warden in duels and you're not playing Warden, just quit.

Will iSkys kill himself if Warden loses his vortex? Hes been playing Kensei and its painful to see him play it

At least with the valk vortex it's over in a few seconds. Can feel shitty sometimes but it's over quick

I watched him play and it was weird how many people he went against who just attacked from neutral. I have never faced a player over Rep 1 who did that, but he seems to get Rep 5+ Warlords who never headbutt.

If its Elimination, theres rep 20 Orochi's who don't feint and just mash light attacks, people who learn the game in 4v4 modes never truly get good

Warden players everywhere will absolutely shit themselves if they nerf his vortex. I'm so fucking sick of playing against Warden faggots who act like this shit is balanced
>Play against a high rep Warden
>Start beating him
>He spams nothing but shoulder now
>Even if I guess correctly it just sets up back to neutral
>Interrupt him with a light once
>He's now canceling his shoulder to counter my counter
>They then act like this isn't overpowered at all even though it's what every Warden relies on in a fight

Sadly I think one or more of the devs main Warden, it's why we haven't heard them say a goddamn thing about nerfing him yet

He was in Brawl when I watched him and was desperately defending Warden while playing Kensei in the most obnoxious way possible. You know, that mocking, effeminate thing young people do now?

>YOU KNOW I JUST LOVE IT
>HOW PEOPLE LIKE
>COMPLAIN ABOUT WARDEN
>IF YOU THINK HE'S OP
>HAHAHAHAHA (forced laugh)
>THAT'S YOUR PROBLEM BRUH
>I'M SORRY

That's how fucking women argue, but guys under 30 do it now too. They never provide a counter-argument, they just say "ur wrong lmao" and mock you.

>Playing elimination on console, revenge nerf hasn't hit yet
>Get matched against a rep 30 Roach
>At the beginning of every single round he just runs to stack buffs
>Only ever fights if he has backup
>Tie breaker round manage to kill everyone besides him
>He grabs the boots and just runs
>Only faces us when he has both attack and defense buffs
>Pops revenge instantly because his build is cancer
>Revenge+attack buff kills all three of us near instantly
>Immediately messages me talking shit like his gear didn't do the work for him

That type of arguing has gone mainstream. It's what people do to try to act right/superior when they can't actually provide any reasons
>Whole election cycle "Trump is a fucking racist"
>How?
>HAHA ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? WOW YOU'RE AN IDIOT IF YOU DON'T SEE IT
Half of our country ate that shit up

>He's now canceling his shoulder to counter my counter
Just counter his counter to your counter. A lot of Wardens will start feinting their shoulder into a top light if they see you poke them out of the shoulder a lot, which is a free parry if you expect it.

t. Orochi main waiting for us to get more than 2 usable moves

What Feats will Centurion and Ninja get? I'm not autismo enough to come up with all of them, but Centurion has to get a Pilum, and Ninja needs to get the Kunai or a variant thereof, and PK's stealth feat or a variant thereof.

From the leak screenshots, Centurion has been seen with generic Knight/Vanguard feats, whereas the Ninja has been seen with generic Samurai/Assassin feats, notably the PK's Stealth feat.

Their placeholders, apparently.

And then he counters my counter to his counter.

Seriously though, fighting a "good" warden is just so fucking annoying. The entire fight is reduced down to a guessing game

>everyones playing zerker
>my raider literally can't parry zerker
>just blocks every single time
>doesn't even register the heavy input
>no way to win vs zerker as raider

NICU NICU VERY NICU UBI-CHAN

I know it's not a punish, but roll away