Did it really collapse though?

I don't understand. What would be the point of faking a referendum in such a way to make it go AGAINST what you're planning on doing?

Why would you assume the commie Russian shits wanted to dissolve the Soviet union?

Did you even read the super neutral question of the referendum?
>Do you consider necessary the preservation of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics as a renewed federation of equal sovereign republics in which the rights and freedom of an individual of any nationality will be fully guaranteed?

Can someone tell me if the Soviet government was involved into organized crime itself?
I've read a book that said it was the case in Bulgaria.

you're making the claim we can't accept the results of the referendum as legitimate which is fine but makes no sense in the context of how things played out

faking support of the Soviet Union makes no sense in the context of what actions the party in the USSR took in the early 90s

I think you should do some reading on 90s Russia particularly the first half of the 90s to see little popular support the transition to capitalism actually had

Why was the question worded like that if the authorities were all for dissolving the Soviet union?

> Russian shits wanted to dissolve the Soviet union?
Because they dissolved Soviet Union in the end? It isn't like there was a huge national wide movement for this shit that was relevant. USSR collapsed, by behind the scene means.

Could be, they done some shady shit. Too recent to be really sure and it would be classified.

The real question is which cold war government wasn't involved into organized crime and funding terrorists of the right flag.

>Why would you assume the commie Russian shits wanted to dissolve the Soviet union?
To privatize the former soviet factories and institutions and roll in cash inside their newly acquired private flats in Miami.

They already had the money and power.

>Some sources

The Simpsons?

Power yes but money no. Not at all.

They didn't really own anything as it was a owned by state and the nomenclature is game of thrones level shit. Privatization was the more optimal choice here.

lol
The commie elite had mansions and money in western banks. The commieblocks, waiting a decade for shitty cars and not being able to travel freely was for the 99% plebs.

Post-communist oligarch shit is the same as before. There's no rule of law, if you anger the more powerful people you lose it. If you anger the dwarf at the Kremlin, you suddenly become a bad oligarch and go to jail.

not at all.
although my screenshot is about in China I am using it to make the point that transition to capitalism doesn't necessarily come from the majority of the regular people(non-party members)

> The commie elite had mansions and money in western banks
Did you seen mansions of current Russian elite? They are Versailles tier.

Don't forget that COLLAPSE was also about the national elites. No way under USSR would be build the golden statue of Turkmenbashi, for example. Kremlin couldn't stop this shit either.

>The commie elite had mansions and money in western banks.
[citation needed]
There's a quote by the head of the secret fucking police in East Germany talking about how even for him travelling is a big deal. Let me see if I can dig it up. The notion that top level apparatchiks in the USSR were jet setters with secret billions in Swiss banks is complete unsubstantiated bullshit.

>[citation needed]
I apologise. The communist elite lived in commieblocks, waited in queues for hours to buy bread and also never travelled abroad.

Russia brought it on themselves, at least the baltics dont have to suffer because of russian incompetence

> The communist elite lived in commieblocks
They all lived in that one building in Moscow, actually.

dissolve is a more correct term than collapse

but then again with what the Soviet Union was facing, it was to choose between fighting a civil war with Independence groups and face collapse that way, or dissolve without a shot fired, and chose the latter.

After all, a major civil war in a nation carrying 30,000+ nuclear warheads was by far going to be the worse alternative to just calling it quits.

Motherfucker when high level party functionaires where given nicer apartments the furniture that was included was numbered and serialized to ensure they couldn't sell it for extra money. The idea that the top level members of the USSR were secretly hoarding billions of rubles (to buy what exactly anyway) is bs.

Oh and by the way breadlines were only a thing towards the very end.

Deluded brainwashed communist subhuman.

Yep, sure proved me wrong!

Nah. He is saying truth. Elite wasn't that rich. How it could be? Did you forget that USSR was poor because communism doesn't work and elite was fucking huge because of unchecked statism. No amount of corruption would make you really rich here. It is like trying to be rich in North Korea or something.

I actually live in an ex-communist country and have some knowledge about the privileges of the ruling class. I doubt it was much different in the USSR. The talk about muh equality is all propaganda that only works on simple idiots.

Elite wasn't really equal, just not that blatant rich like today.

The plebs are not as poor as then too.

Again either provide proof top level members of the party of the USSR had billions stashed in Swiss bank accounts and massive mansions or kindly fuck off.

And no your relative telling you a story about going to an elite resort for party members only or having first dibs on the newest yugo model is not proof of Soviet functionaires being secret billionaires.

>proof

Considering the housing prices, plebs are poorer. More tech is available though.

>Are you asking me to explain myself?