Etrian Odyssey General

askme
askme

EO Guides, References, Music, Art Books, etc.
pastebin.com/6cmH2LjS
EO V Information
sq-atlus.jp/sq5/

EOMD2
sq-atlus.jp/sfd2/

EO V Skill Simulator
waifusims.com/EOV/skillSim.html
jii.moe/EkvsTrdY-.html# (Class Skills)
jii.moe/VyvBiy6dW.html# (Race Skills)

EO V item and quest translation list
pastebin.com/c4uzKptj (Item list)
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Oz2FGmL0QpE2-Qkb8zz-t_MP_WEpDo6gzlA29-wJIDw/edit?pref=2&pli=1#gid=0 (Quest list)
pastebin.com/8sJhutN7 (Conditional drops)

EO V color editor.
edit.s2.xrea.com/sq5/
EO V VA list
pastebin.com/gM4KaYjs

EO V Game & DLC.cia link
mega.nz/#F!XkJiHBIb!vzL2CLjZZVA-yAGS7UZgdA

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Spamalot
Spamalot

slut edition
you had one job

WebTool
WebTool

OH GOD WHY DOES THE JAPAN ONLY DIRECT SHOWCASEING ARMS AND SPLA2N NOT SHOW A GAME THAT ALREADY CAME OUT THERE AND
oh someone already for first post

fuck it

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Worst pic of worst girl.

Nojokur
Nojokur

worst girl
But we thankfully still don't have a nene thread

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Remove yourself from this planet.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

t. ninja boy

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

no EOV in direct
feel like the only fag that expected it
decide to turn to blow and hookers instead of this Etrian Odyssey bullshit
???
Profit?

iluvmen
iluvmen

torever

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

feel like the only fag that expected it
You were the only one who expected it
Fool. I thought I warned you

w8t4u
w8t4u

10 needle tails to get Pierce Amulet
they appear in floors 19 and 20
very rare
cant autoattack the random encounters
cant possibly know which areas of the floor theyre more likely to appear

sometimes this game sucks

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

veekyforums.com/thread/173515435/video-games
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DeathDog
DeathDog

E3 is my last holdout for hope for EO5.

I been memeing to pass the time and eventually using it to cover up my true sadness.

But I really... I need.. I am tired of hoping for EO5 US release date.

E3 is the last bastion of what is left of... hope.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

We all know by now that they don't give a fuck anymore about EO.
Only shitsona.

eGremlin
eGremlin

Jesus christ this is fucking gross, I need freaking 20 battles just to find one of the mobs that drop that

Flameblow
Flameblow

All you have to do is reach the top of Yggdrasil to obtain EOV.
That is the legend passed down by EOPians.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

Remaking an EO game in gmae maker or something is actually harder than it sounds when taking things like shop, items, quests and 3D field into account.

StonedTime
StonedTime

Why are you remaking EO in gamemaker?
Please post progress so far.

viagrandad
viagrandad

I'm only brainstorming.
It would be impossible to do it all alone.
Programming would need to be utilized, which I don't have.
It would be nice to learn the skills need. if I had a team to work/learn together with.
I mean we have the assets all we need to do is take care of the back end and the 3D dungeon

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

You can't do a worse job than EO2 which checked the status of every active quest on every step iirc.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

I finally kicked Warped Savior's ass and am done with EOIV.
Now I can back to postponing Claret Hollows in EOU.
Seriously that stratum is fucking bullshit barely finished 26F and then 27F is even gayer, fuck whoever designed this.

TreeEater
TreeEater

make EO that plays itself

Methnerd
Methnerd

O-Oh my.

FastChef
FastChef

i miss that screensaver

Supergrass
Supergrass

fucking sand horn is all that i need for 100% the game
now that's bullshit, couldn't they make bosses respawn in a week

Emberburn
Emberburn

Etrian odyssey hot spring dlc when

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

tfw 3 was the last entry that wasn't horrible
Why did it go so wrong

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

picnic classic mode
get EOV in 20 hours
psh.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

Oh wow I didn't know that.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

How good are the Ronin, Dark Hunter and Troubadour in EOU?

Methshot
Methshot

I want to rape a masurao (male)

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

Ronin is the best they've been, which is to say still weaker than other melee classes, but usable.
Dark Hunter is great, they're useful throughout and throw out huge numbers in the late game with ecstasy.
Troubadour is also very good since dances are party-wide in EOU.

farquit
farquit

still weaker than other melee classes
They've only ever been weaker than shit like DH. Everything else they outdo

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

Well I'm currently trying to build a team for EOU but I'm kinda stuck, not really sure what to pick.
I'd rather avoid landshark since I already used it for EOIV, and I guess Protector and Medic are a must, started thinking I could replace Medic with Troubadour but I don't think that will work out.
So I was thinking.
Ronin, Hexer or Dark Hunter(which would be better?), Alchemist, Protector and Medic.
Would that work?

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

EO 1 and 2 landsharks are totally different from the ones on IV. Though I find them pretty boring to use with the exception of EO2U.

TreeEater
TreeEater

Yeah, Ronin's always been pretty good in terms of being one of the hardest hitting melee classes in terms of consistent damage compared to the the burst that is DH.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

Lv 1 Hawk

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

What's special about May 20?

Nojokur
Nojokur

EO 10th anniversary stream.
...four months after the series 10th anniversary.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

Localization announcement and EO3U

FastChef
FastChef

EO is 10 years old

holy shit time flies

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

Which level for the post-game bosses in EO3? The 3 dragons, Elder Dragon, Alraune, Kraken, The other one, Abyss God, etc

askme
askme

Alright. Those fucking weebs got Persona 5, now when do we get Etrian Odyssey 5?

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

After the other niche games no one ever heard of get released, then they'll think about it.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

I will sacrifice 10 maidens in praise if that would be true.

DeathDog
DeathDog

Oh sweet. Here's hoping for 3U.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

I like how there was lots of english in the first trailer.
And it seems like the story really changed in the final product.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

youtu.be/NHbWGrYa_-E

King_Martha
King_Martha

How are we supposed to figure out conditionals for bosses without looking up online, again?

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Looking at EOIV and the EOV announcement it seems like the EO has ambitions beyond their budget and platform of choice.

Lunatick
Lunatick

How would you compare EO4 to 3? Which is better in which ways? I dunno if I should move up to other series in my backlog or start EO4 today/tomorrow

farquit
farquit

I was expecting a lot more out of EOV with a trailer like that honestly, especially since the placeholder subtitle, shidou, means activation

TechHater
TechHater

EO IV has better balance and an expanded overworld map that is better integrated into the rest of the game. EO III is better in every other way. Especially shopkeepers.

Evilember
Evilember

What other ways, exactly?

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

Soundtrack, difficulty, dungeons.

Firespawn
Firespawn

Anyone ever tried a Shogun build using these commanding skills of theirs?

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

Try shit out.
Boss conditionals are usually for post-game gear and by that point you should be able to crush most bosses easily.
At least I think that is their internal justification for once again telling the player jack shit.

iluvmen
iluvmen

No love for Nadica?

Flameblow
Flameblow

EO3 is overrated, the only good thing is the Limit system, all these extra bosses are kinda pointless because you'll only have the level for it once you're done with the entire labyrinth anyway. So the post-game content is pretty much

6th stratum > dragons/optional bosses > abyssal god

So once you're done with the 6th stratum, the only thing left is to beat all the bosses with no real gameplay between it

Spamalot
Spamalot

I prefer EO4's soundtrack to the older FM tracks.
Especially the CD versions, which sound great.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

There are some really weird ones, like killing Narmer with only 1 team member, I'd never figure that out without gamefaqs.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

No one has had the courage to try.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

Troubadour can substitute a Medic without much problem.
For the beginning they have Restful Tune as a really cheap out of battle heal. If you need heal in battle thrwoing Medicas would be enough (and it should not be necessary that often).

After a few floor you get a food called Elderevenge unlocked.
It restores some HP and TP whenever a character attacks an enemy.
Together with the Troubadours Echoing Rondo which works once per turn and heals everyone besides the one that got heal from another source.
It sounds complicated but works like this: You have Elderevenge active and Echoing Rono on everyone.
Damage dealer A attacks an enemy. Elderevenge heals for a small amount of TP and HP.
Because of the HP heal Echoing Rondo triggers and heals everyone besides Damage dealer A for a good amount.
Damage dealer B attacks an enemy. Elderevenge also heals her for a small amount of TP and HP. Echoing Rondo triggers and heals damage dealer A since she was the only one that had not already been healed by it.
Anyone that attacks afterwards will get the small Elderevenge heal but Echoing Rondo will ignore them.

It's almost like spamming Salve every turn only the healing is a bit lower - but your Troubadour can still do other things and it doesn't cost nearly as much TP.

If you pick Hexer Dark Hunter is usally better because they shine if the enemy has a lot of binds which Hexer can help inflict.
But Troubadour and Ronin also have a positive interaction since Taboo Rondo can increase the duration of Ronin Stance skills.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

It would probably work as a subclass, Shogun is so frail and offensive that it would be a waste of its stats to not use a damage build, but a tanky class like Prince or Hoplite who usually has many points to spare can do very well with this Shogun subclass build

askme
askme

EO3 really made me want to fight FOEs as soon as I thought I could handle them. Those fish in the water stratum that come in 3's were awesome. Just this song over and over until I died again and again.
youtube.com/watch?v=_qF2ZyUFGHo&user=Banim

Flameblow
Flameblow

She's line Ricky except good

takes2long
takes2long

can't find the one mob I'm missing in EO3 in the monstrous codex

It's between the Calamity God and the Mortal Hunter, any idea?

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

Just found out it was a FOE behind a moon door, nevermind

Snarelure
Snarelure

neVer eVer

DeathDog
DeathDog

3
good soundtrack
This meme again

w8t4u
w8t4u

By using an item/skill that shows monster info andthen deducing from item name

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

no

hairygrape
hairygrape

I don't know, looking back at the firxt EO it looks more like 20 years had passed.

cum2soon
cum2soon

Do you guys even make use of the Retirement mechanic? I can't remember the last time I felt the need to, even post-game bosses aren't usually worth the time to grind that much

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

I only used it in EO2U because afk grinding is so fucking fast there.
Overall I don't feel it's necessary but it can help since superbosses are usually assholes with fights that are not too fun.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

How tanky are Sovereigns in EO2U? Are they good enough in a front line with no protector on expert?

farquit
farquit

No. Sovereigns are a backline unit.
Ignore their heavy armor, ignore their shield - armor is extremely weak in EOIII, EOIV and the Untolds.
VIT and HP is what it's all about, sadly.
In EOIII Princess had one of the highest VIT stats and good HP.
In EO2U Sovereign has subpar VIT and HP.
Even something like a Survivalist can deal better with being in the frontline.

Btw. War Magus on the other hand has really good VIT so they belong in the front.

iluvmen
iluvmen

My princess could do quite well hopping between lines. And certainly didn't suffer as much in the backrow as survivalist, for whatever reason.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Have fun beating superbosses without retirement
Also why waste exp when you get to 99 the first time, you barely lose anything by retiring

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

why waste exp

nigga the new unit will be very low level, you lose a ton of time until it's just about as high leveled

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

And with endgame gear and added stats they can still challenge most pre-postgame stuff, losing the ability to fight endgame shit for a while is not much of a loss. No reason to not fight everything bar superboss (and weakened superboss in 4) then retiring and grinding back up to fight the superboss

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

What is the best way to transfer to ng+ in eou and eo2u? Specifically in eou, just map gladsheim entirely and get the katana and equip it to someone?

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

Don't forget the treasure chests.
There's some crammed in Gladsheim that you can't get to.

You're able to get pretty all the medals (excluding the beat-story-mode one) for EO2U on Classic.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

Are you supposed to cheese the Elder Dragon in EO3? Idk how to beat it, I get it that it has weakness to all bindings and and starts the fight completely bound, but unless you beat it quickly, it will start getting bind resistance the more often you bind it.

StonedTime
StonedTime

Remove deer

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

In EO2U there is nothing you can miss in classic mode.
Everything that is needed for completion (except for "beat the game in classic" and "beat the game in story mode" of course) is in both modes.
So you can NG+ from one into the other whenever.

In EOU completion is impossible in classic even beyond the "beat the game in story mode" medal.
You need to map Gladsheim, get all codex entries in Gladsheim, get all materials in Gladsheim and get all treasure chests in Gladsheim - and then you need to get all treasure chests in the labyrinth.
Treasure chests don't get saved in NG+ so if you want that medal you need the Gladsheim chests so its story mode only.
If you want to go story first you would need to get deep into the 6th Stratum, find the last chests and only then NG+.
If you go classic first beating the game is enough.

Emberfire
Emberfire

Are EOU and EOU2 really better than the originals? Or is it just the Atlus "remake" where they add a bit of content and graphical updates and call it a day?

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

But is there anything else i may miss? Like maybe some good things that are one in a playthrough or stuff like buying and equipping the katana because either mats or katana will vanish else.
Both are completely rehauled and (arguably) much better to play.

iluvmen
iluvmen

What exactly are the differences between the originals and the remakes?

eGremlin
eGremlin

All classes are rebalenced, all maps are reworked (save a few remarkable locations especially in EOU such as the entrance and boss room layouts).
Quests have gotten a massive rework. Not only are there less fetch quests (although EOU still has a bit too much for my taste) they now also give experience.
Basically the only thing that is the same is the story (in classic mode - story mode has a far more developed story) and the same general asthetic for classes and the strata.
Oh and you have a massive amount of QoL improvements such as sidestepping, looking around, sprinting, faster animations, difficulty settings.

Nojokur
Nojokur

maps got rehauled, including enemy placements and tactics
All the new QoL changes like non-garbage skill tree, being able to gather without skills and whatever
Classes got rebalanced as well, OP stuff got nerfed to hell (no more revenge spam killing bosses in 3 turns), too good items removed as well like party wide status heals or revives. Basically rebalanced everything with new stuff like grimoires on top of it.

whereismyname
whereismyname

The best katana is the only piece of equipment worth anything you can miss. Gladsheim materials of course also make equipment but that's all low to midlevel stuff and not too important.

While it is possible to take your stock in the shop with you to NG+ I would advice against it. The game is just pretty boring if you have the best equipment unlocked right from the beginning.

So either keep the material of the very final story boss in your storage or buy the katana and put that in your storage.
You can take your inventory and storage with you to NG+. And even though you don't have immediat access to your storage it will all be there once you have.

Only in EOIV did you need to equip things to keep them for NG+.

TreeEater
TreeEater

Quests really didn't give exp in eo1 and 2? what was the point then, 5 Medicas?

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

5
MEDICAS

hairygrape
hairygrape

Yep, you did them for the itme reward - and to get an objective that masks your grinding.
Overall XP was a bit harder to come by back then.
Which is why FOEs don't give XP in EOII - people used them to grind in EO and Atlus was having none of that.
People then instead used bosses to grind.

Now bosses give less XP in relation but missions and quests have you covered.
You easily get enough XP that you don't need to grind as long as you stick with one party and don't rest too much.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

Please tell me they allow you to have more than 3 buffs in the sequels.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

no
but eo2u at least shows the boss debuffs

girlDog
girlDog

How much grinding was required in the first two games? Part of what I like about the series is that it's very rarely necessary until the post-game unless you go nuts respecing.

askme
askme

You don't, but resting is more brutal and if you're playing blind and fuck up your party unknowingly it can be hard to get past some points in the games.

Nojokur
Nojokur

no, that's one of the key balances of the series

Spamalot
Spamalot

Resting costs 10 levels and experience is rather sparce.
If you do all the quests you will get enough XP usually. Quests are there to mask your grinding not in addition to grinding.

Firespawn
Firespawn

With a voice like that, I bet Regina can draw pretty well.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

How being a tsundere and drawing even realted

Soft_member
Soft_member

Well, do they clarify better what takes up a buff slot and what doesn't?

idontknow
idontknow

No?
The majority of buffs go into buff slot anyway and the rest can be memorised

Skullbone
Skullbone

i never found it unclear, if it lasts more than one turn it uses a slot

except for some skills in EO IV and V that get their own special slot, but in that case all the better for you

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Everything takes up a buff slot unless it explicit does not.
The only ones I can think of are Blood Surge and Charge, which make sense.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

It's an awful design and Himukai must be ashamed of it

happy_sad
happy_sad

blarg

StonedTime
StonedTime

Coming August 31? Then can we expect localization for September 30 or will we have to wait until October?

At least flat chests are still a thing.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

september 2019

Snarelure
Snarelure

Who died canonically between them?

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

both

iluvmen
iluvmen

Hey now, this is a Mystery Dungeon game, not an Etrian Odyssey one. This could actually happen timely.

Emberburn
Emberburn

You never hear of them again. So both.
The other probably jumped into the fishes when you were not looking.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Whoever it was I bet in EO3U story mode shit gets retconned into both surviving.
We probably even get some shitty Inn scenes with them like Hrothgar got.

WebTool
WebTool

got ruined by a weak-ass FOE
Now that's heart breaking

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

But I remember you see one of them at the inn some time later, leaving Armoroad or some shit like that.

cum2soon
cum2soon

Zodiac and Ninja are terrible solo classes.

viagrandad
viagrandad

tfw tried to solo run with ninja/monk nikudan+death heal strat
And I was so sure it will work

Methshot
Methshot

Sorry, user. It's all in your mind. She's gone.

5mileys
5mileys

I wish they did a better job explaining their skills, how i'm supposed to know accel drive is good judging on the ingame description?

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

I wish nene follows this slut's example

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

Strong poison skills for player characters never ever again

MPmaster
MPmaster

I believe in EOV they scale with your level so they don't fall off nearly as hard in the late game.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

I still want my spread venom throw of fuck random encounters again

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

Friendzoned by Arianna.

Flameblow
Flameblow

being this beta than even videogame characters friendzone you

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

Don't judge me!

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

Arianna pls

likme
likme

Cute, Arianna tries shit-talking.
Her last line takes the joke too far, though.

likme
likme

Arianna is always cute.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

It doesn't get bind resistance. It's the only enemy to not have that mechanic.

viagrandad
viagrandad

Also, I call bullshit on this recipe.

Nojokur
Nojokur

Petal Bridge stratum? There is more than one bird there.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

You need cockatrice leg, it's on the last floor of the stratum

5mileys
5mileys

I didn't remember at the time but the recipe shouldn't be so misleading. "bird leg" instead of "bird meat" would have done the trick.

Illusionz
Illusionz

I'm pretty sure it is because shit translation. A lot of shit is off with the cooking minigame

cum2soon
cum2soon

Equip effects are hilarious as fuck desu, it's fun to watch how level 1 characters can tank shit from 2nd stratum and fresh retired stuff can take red aura rarebreeds

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

Retired characters are completely overclocked. Not only the equipment but also the stats.
You start with some stats at level 1, not a single one of your stats reaches 99 naturally at level 99.
So ten stats in everything (assuming a level 99 retire) are worth more than ten levels.
Red Auras don't mean shit at this point.

Evilember
Evilember

you'll never have a cute stick girl on your geomagnetic pole
bunny sentinel will never eat your carrot
you'll never let an imperial girl to use your drive blade
why live

Emberfire
Emberfire

Imperials are just normal humans in silly pants.
You are not missing much there.

RavySnake
RavySnake

Literally nothing wrong with that

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

No, nothing wrong.
But still no reason to put them on the same level as sticks and bunnygirls.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Japs dislike EOU2 but like EMD
Westerners like EOU2 but dislike EMD
Who has the better taste?

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

japs this time
surprisingly since their taste is generally shit

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

How good is the Touhou EO knockoff?

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

invisible/10

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

For the first time, westerners.

hairygrape
hairygrape

Who is more bullshit, primeevil, ur-child, abyssal god or no chemical warped saviour?

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

Abyssal God, no question.

Nojokur
Nojokur

They didn't dislike EOU2, they disliked the DLCs.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

No chemincal warped is shit if you can recover your bar to stun him

Supergrass
Supergrass

remove pigs

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Guys give me a fun party to use in U1 that has a landshrek, troubadour and hexer. I have some grimores for healing and elemental damage, so medic and alchemist are noy necessary.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

dont talk about ricky like that

Emberfire
Emberfire

I wonder who is behind those posts

whereismyname
whereismyname

Nice blame shift ricky

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

That hunchback in the top right corner...

happy_sad
happy_sad

arianna btfo

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

delet

Techpill
Techpill

The ritual a hnudred years ago got messed up and the last Daughter of the Mark went missing - and now everyone thinks that's the way it has to be.
I'm still convinced the reason Arianna is like she is because no one bothered to teach her common sense since they believed she would die for the ritual anyways...

Methnerd
Methnerd

Which one of these is the one that has her crying and apologising over and over for involving Fafnir in her quest while he just thinks: "Bitch, have you seen how cool I look?"

Bidwell
Bidwell

first one

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

So "nice" means "occasionally annoying", thanks.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Literally nothing wrong with that
She's just a good girl and cares about her faaf, compare this with sideboob ghost who gives like zero fucks about Bertrand

Soft_member
Soft_member

Underboob ghost did exactly what Arianna wanted to do - keep her Knight out of it and shoulder the responsibility of the Black Guardian herself.
The only difference is that Fafnir could not be called back over his mother's death because he already is an orphan.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

Smoking weed and playing EO is sublime.
Without weed lall you see is a corridor, with weed you imagine all sorts of different things.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

Faaf would probably stop her and do the job himself anyway (which is what happened)
neneposter pls

JunkTop
JunkTop

Is U2 doable without fafnir. I don't want to play story mode

Emberfire
Emberfire

yes

Skullbone
Skullbone

No user the game is LITERALLY unbeatable on Classic Mode no matter what.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

While Fafnir is utterly broken the rest of his party are supports and don't have too much damage.

Going through expert classic with a proper team is no problem at all.
Since you can make extreme broken combos (Dark Hunter + Hexer meme) it might even be easier that way.

Booteefool
Booteefool

utterly broken
only with certain grimoires desu

Nojokur
Nojokur

story mode is cool this time around, give it a shot since there are more than 1 save file.

fafnir is neat and can wreck shit but not the bees knees.

reclassing is available from level 5 or something so you can have gunner flavio, medic arianna, alchemist chloe, etc

Also you can get all the grimoires you want from Fafnir from the pastebin if you so desire with the trading system

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Accelerate on one of the highest damaging classes is enough and Extend does also help a great deal.
The Waves do almost as much damage as Compressed Jars and that without requiring a buff and food slot.

Even without complicated Grimoire skills erases Fafnir bosses in a few turns in a proper group.

farquit
farquit

don't have too much damage.

Until Fafnir starts getting all his powers from the later strata bosses, ailing slash is the best damage you have

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

in a proper group.
And that's the main problem - it takes a specifically tailored party and lots of axcela throwing unless you like fafnir being borderline deadweight for half the fight.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

monster descriptions, analysis lenses, bar patrons, resistances

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Yes, Chloes has some damage - but the group as a whole not.
Link Order will only take you so far and Survivalists never dish out that much damage unless you use Power Gel - and who would know do that on their first playthrough (or without looking everything up on the internet)?

Inmate
Inmate

3
good dungeons

pfffthahaAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA

askme
askme

Being a contrarian faggot is a meme.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

And sometimes weaknesses.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

If your party is really tailored to erase bosses there should not be half the fight left after Fafnir is done.
And I'm not only talking about OTK cheese - even outside of that very few bosses should be able to survive more than 7 turns against a proper party with Fafnir.

Firespawn
Firespawn

sea dungeon
oh wait

3 has entire floors you can skip by killing an FOE

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

the famitsu article for deep strange journey said they wanted to give it more of an EO feel so now you have to name your team members, group, ship, and deamons.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

Cool instead of actually making a EO game they now want a EO lookalike just because SMT is a more popular series for whatever reason

viagrandad
viagrandad

Thank god they have found out that I play EO games to name shit.

Also you name your ship? What? Isn't that thing an official military vehicle?

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

fafnir needs point blank and kerykeion to do damage

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

Am I just not good with jokes?

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

i think mine got near max tec without resorting to a staff

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

Maybe they also add character creation, map making and a talent tree and let emons be a secondary mechanic.
I might even buy it.
(Who am I kidding - unless it's complete shit I'm desperate enough to buy it anyways.)

DeathDog
DeathDog

Autists can't get jokes, user

StonedTime
StonedTime

He needs both to OTK bosses, he needs neither to outdamage anyone but a Dark Hunter.

askme
askme

The map making better be in there or I'll be mad.
There were many times I needed to mark an event marker when the game didn't put one down.
And teleporters.

askme
askme

max possible including the staff and food effect is 98. realistically you would be running the +2 grimoire level food bonus because fuck farming level 10 grimoires without dlc

SniperWish
SniperWish

jokes are supposed to be funny

askme
askme

Arianna is best girl.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

I never used the DLC to farm grimoires I only let Regina trade up because she has a better convertion rate.
After story mode up to the Overlord and NG+ into Classic I had enough level 10 Grimoires for my main party and some cheese builds.

hairygrape
hairygrape

Wave spamming is a postgame thing though. The build isn't sustainable nor even fully possible until Fafnir gets enough levels to at least max out Ice Saber, Force Charge and Elemental ATK Up, maybe even Mind Shut. With all that he still can't speed kill unless there's a Troubadour in the party, which is the real broken class of U2. He's above average in terms of damage second to DH for most of the game. Tankiness is pretty good though.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

Untold 3 fucking when?
I can't go back to the archaic 3 after the 3ds games

RumChicken
RumChicken

Rank 9 Wave deals 560% TEC damage for 14TP. That is more than a Compressed rank 10 Inferno/Cocytus/Thor Formula which is way more expensive even relative to the bigger TP pools of Alchemists.

It's not winning an encounter with one person but Fafnir seriously cuts into the HP of any boss even before all his skills are online.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Indeed he does. But until he can actually afford to spend points on waves he's going to have to rely on a physical build, which is strong but not as strong as a well-made team on classic.

Snarelure
Snarelure

You guys like sliding puzzles?
Well then you'll love eov's fifth stratum

Techpill
Techpill

delet this

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

I'll never know because we'll never get it in english.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

I never go physical skills - what for?
To make random encounters take exactly the same amount of time only with one less enemy in the second turn?
Even in story mode can you kill random encounters fast enough with Sabers alone.
In classic you really should have people better at dealing with random encounters than Fafnir using physical attacks.

And in any hard fight you use Transform anyways - the burst from Waves and Recoil is worth far more than anything the physical skills can offer.
Flame Demon falls just a few turns after your Force Boost ends and then you get Extend which gives you that much more milage.

girlDog
girlDog

The FoW is lifted at the right edge of the map - so it's sliding puzzles and map wrapping?
Neat.

askme
askme

1.) we will never get it
2.) just ganna google the answer anyways

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

As a matter of fact, I do like sliding puzzles. Prefer them to conveyor belts, personally.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

Just what kind of build were you running that let you kill Flame Demon that quickly?

TechHater
TechHater

Why did it take this game so long to get good?

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

You better start using walls to signify holes because you will run out of icons to put down

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

3 has entire floors you can skip by killing an FOE

It literally only happens once and it's good game design

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

Ice Saber/Wave 9, Delayed Chase/Blade Recoil 10
Ailing Slash 10
Blind Arrow 9, Paralysis Arrow 9
Link Order 10
were my main damage skills on my last expert story run. Level 25 iirc.

The first Cube got Meteor Smashed on the third turn of Tranform, the second set of cubes got Summer Rained on, the last set got ignored and Flame Demon was killed instead.

It's about the last time Link Order is actually good even with a Saber.
Arianna has enough TP to spam it for a while and together with Ailing Slash you can chow quite quickly through Flame Demon.
And I am pretty sure Ice Saber + Link Order does more than Gale Rush + wondering what to do with Arianna and waiting for Resonance to be off cooldown.

DeathDog
DeathDog

Iirc the icon limit is big enough to do it that way.
I even marked the conveyor belts in the fourth stratum with arrows and only ran into the limit on B16F when I marked the trees in the post-game section of the map.

If anything I would use a different floor color - drawing walls were there are non just feels wrong.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

This is EO1, there are no arrows, there are no colors.

Emberburn
Emberburn

That's true though

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

You are correct and I am dumb. I was thinking about EOU.
In that case you will run into the icon limit way faster, yeah.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

Yeah, I started to use walls.
It kinda sucks that for every floor in this game where marking stuff really matters you run out of icons and notes.

RumChicken
RumChicken

These pics are cute but Arianna is so small in them.
I know she is quite a bit shorter than Fafnir but like this she looks really weak and fragile.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

Did you seriously not run into any TP problems during normal exploration or had to rest your Fafnir multiple times? A physical build (Delayed Chase 10 and Resonance 10) does less damage but it's by far the more efficient use of skill points when leveled alongside Force Mastery while still giving him solid elemental damage. It'll never need Amritas until endgame and won't gas out against any boss that isn't Juggernaut or past Blizzard Kang while being able to deal with just about everything the random encounters can throw at the story party. Your setup is overkill desu

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

Holy fuck don't remind me. The most challenging part of Claret Hollows was trying to jam as much shit into the map as possible without it taking too much space.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

And then running out of way to map teleporters anyways. I went with numbers for destinations, number+arrow for teleport entrance and memo for 10-19. I quickly ran out of everything. Fuck.
And they still haven't figured out that it's not mandatory to have fucking numbers placed into a solid block availiable in only one color.

FastChef
FastChef

Saber 9 costs 9 TP.
There are no TP issues, no.
Saber + Link Order II 4 is enough to deal with most random encounters with some help from Chloes and Flavio at this point.
Later on I simply increase Link Order II.

Overkill? Why would I run lower damage skills against bosses? I want to kill them.
Ignoring physical skills means I can instead go for Force Energy and never have to worry about TP in important fights again.

girlDog
girlDog

First time I did what you did and didn't have enough space. Second time I tried a different method by making tons of lines connecting to the teleport which worked at first but then the map itself became a complete fucking mess. Finally I just put down memos on the teleporters on the correct paths and ignored everything else pretty much. Claret Hollows in EO1 is absolute hell. Untold fags should be grateful.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

I'm about to start this, lads

Any ideas for a fun party? Not necessarily a OP one, just fun.

Any other stuff to keep in mind? I played the previous 3 games, what's changed? What's new? What can the classes in this game do compared to previous games?

whereismyname
whereismyname

My maps are super ugly because I started using two numbers, one of which I tried to put into a wall. So some numbers are horizontal, some are vertical, sometimes the first digit is on the teleporter, sometimes the second one.
Exits got an annotation.

It's a mess because you just don't have enough tools.
Instead we have a red x and red circle and a checkmark for whatever...

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

Oh you're talking about Untold? Yeah I know what you mean. More than 10 teleporters should be illegal.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

literally anything works, linker is the most comfortable one.
The main difference that it has overworld with one story dungeon and around 4 little one-floor ones for each area. Skills are now divided in groups, second group unlocks at 20 and third at 40

Nojokur
Nojokur

Are there any online resources I should keep in mind? I remember only finding that EO3 almanac with the detailed stats, element resistances and ailment/bind resists when I was almost done with the game

massdebater
massdebater

Dancer is a fun gimmicky class

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

jap wiki
also gamefaqs

likme
likme

Just who the fuck thought it would be a good idea to design maps that are absolutely unfit for the availiable tools? Either give more tools or make simpler maps but don't go for both, becoming repeat offenders at that.
Or was it supposed to be a Wizardry reference like most shitty choices?

Soft_member
Soft_member

Linker Landsknecht is overpowered as shit and pretty easy to build.
If you hate bossfights you can melt them in under five turns.
But I aside from that it's not that high on the fun scale.

Massive change is the overworld. You can fly around and find small side dungeons.
But the main dungeons (now called mazes) are only 3 floors).

Skills are tiered in EOIV and EOIV alone - some skills can only be learned at 20+ or 40+.

Enemies now also have a backline. Melee classes deal half damage to their backline and melee weapons can not reach the backline from the backline (this counts for both sides).

Rare breeds get introduced (they shimmer golden). They are ten times as fast and deal 20% damage every turn which can amount to much rather quickly.
But they also give five times the XP. FOEs can also be rare breeds. Bosses not.

Subclasses can only learn skills up to half the maximum level but the power curve is pushed forward a bit to make subclass skills not completely worthless.

Medic is Medic, nothing new here.
Landsknecht is completely different. They are about being quick and dealing lots of damage especially as Linkers.
Fortress is a tanking tank. They take damage for the rest of the team so they are Bodyguard from Hoplite on steroids. Beware of weak midgame.
Snipers are whip Dark Hunters with bows but without Ecstasy. They have more damage skills to not really compensate.
Nightseekers are ailment inflictors that deal more damage against ailing targets. Don't belive their description - they are not front line units. Their ailment skills are ranged and their VIT terrible. Put them only up front when someone is ailing and you can start slashing away.
Dancers are the support unit. They only buff themselves but their buffs effect the line they are on. They also can go Swashbuckling and add a chance to stun to each hit.
Runemaster is a Alchemist/Zodiac that doesn't fall off like a brick and is actually fun to use.

There are three locked classes.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

Maybe they thought they could sell strategy guides or something
Seriously i don't even have an idea why mark limit on map is even a thing

Inmate
Inmate

They've done it.

Snarelure
Snarelure

not that high on the fun scale.
Seeing boss getting melted is fun though
deal 20% damage every turn
What does that even mean? I never noticed any changes in rare breeds outside of them getting pretty much a guaranteed first action and giving like 5-10x more xp
You should also have mentioned normal rare breeds run away, the chances of running away increase with their HP getting lower.
they are not front line units
They work fine on frontline though? They have enough HP to survive medium beating and with all this agi and speed boost passive there's a decent chance the attack will miss anyway. Barely anything hits very had in this game anyway, i'm walking with front line runemaster for like half the game and it works okay

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

anyone scan EOV artbook?

cum2soon
cum2soon

NeVer eVer.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

this can't be real

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

what

Emberburn
Emberburn

Goon autism>user autism

TechHater
TechHater

Goons are alright sometimes.

cum2soon
cum2soon

remove phoneposters

5mileys
5mileys

I rather have complex maps with notes and no drawing gimmick if it means there is enough memory for notes.

Bidwell
Bidwell

I think I'm the only one so no need for plural.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

link it

idontknow
idontknow

forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3705626&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=345

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

Runemasters are the only mage class i had fun playing with

Booteefool
Booteefool

do people really pay to post on that forum

TreeEater
TreeEater

people pay for Veeky Forums gold

RumChicken
RumChicken

Veeky Forums gold is optional though

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

posting on some random forum is optional as well

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

You have to pay in order to post?

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Do chases in EO3 always deal thrust damage or does it change with the elemental arms skills from prince?

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

Yes, the arms skills add on the element to them. They're even affected by the elemental forges as well. But not any of the other forges.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Really? Even Warrior's Might? Elemental Arms might not be as useless as I thought, then.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Keep in mind the arms skills don't add damage, while the forges actually do.

Skullbone
Skullbone

Holy shit after 12000 years

askme
askme

Forges were a mistake
Stat books were a mistake

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

no that

no

i mean

no this has to be a shop

TreeEater
TreeEater

read the fucking thread

TechHater
TechHater

Fucking bats.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

Mimic treasure chests

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH

askme
askme

No way I'm tearing up a book I paid 200 for.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

can you snap a picture of the shaman cards, at least?

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

You mean the character design pages?

StonedTime
StonedTime

the page that has all the designs for the shaman's talismans

I want to see if it explains what the dinosaur skeleton and baphomet were supposed to be

likme
likme

Skintight bodysuits are my biggest fetish.

Evilember
Evilember

tfw nobody likes lettuce head
tfw no artwork of the alt color

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

Legitimate, wholesome question: runemaster and scruffy medic lewds when

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

What kind of binding does it have? If it's just the usual individual pages on a bunch of glue, then it's damn easy to unbind and rebind if you have an iron and a couple of planks.

Scanning color pages correctly, however, is a massive pain in the ass if you don't know what settings to use yet (assuming the scanner is good enough in the first place). Specially when there are 200 of those.

RavySnake
RavySnake

isn't it hardcover?

King_Martha
King_Martha

Remove gays

SniperWish
SniperWish

Should've lured them in pitfalls

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

Hardcover.

Here you go

Soft_member
Soft_member

Pick the cutest sprites.
Use the skill sim.
Read the starter pastebin.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

If you roll a sniper, all you need is silver arrow. It's cheap, strong and also becomes your best skill once you hit the 6th stratum.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

it still stings that we got no unlockable races...

eGremlin
eGremlin

But... the scruffy and rune dick......... its crucial

Methnerd
Methnerd

docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bJVmM0_KvixjVTFnp-hDR1RXrNVOGWUPaLbUB_m1TfQ/edit?hl=en&hl=en#gid=3

Is there something like that, but for EO4?

Hopefully also listing all skills of each mob and their effects

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3749645

This guy here seems to have all this information, which he probably datamined, dunno if I could find compiled information anywhere else

StonedTime
StonedTime

Why is SA so much more productive than this general?

Playboyize
Playboyize

gamefaqs.com/3ds/997793-etrian-odyssey-iv-legends-of-the-titan/faqs/74288

likme
likme

I love you

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

reptilian
Illuminati confirmed

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

How did she become the canonical EO slut?

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

slut
except she is not one

cum2soon
cum2soon

tfw you guess an enemy conditional

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Do all dungeons in 4 have indicators for shortcuts? Or do they go away after the second one like in 3?

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

They go away in the last stratum only

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

The 6th stratum doesn't have them either.

viagrandad
viagrandad

That's what I said

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

I though you meant the 5th, since that's the last non-postgame stratum. It doesn't have visible shortcuts either.

Skullbone
Skullbone

Because you don't get to show your e-peen off when your anonymous.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

DELET THIS

JunkTop
JunkTop

save us nene...

King_Martha
King_Martha

So what are the general impressions of EOV like from those who have played it?

What game are we waiting for?

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

It goes back to it's roots in a way.
It's also a combination of all the classes that have existed in EO with a some new stuff here and there.
Some people might not like that, but if you stick with it, you will re-discover the reason why you loved EO in the first place. The developers have not forgotten what dungeon crawling is. V is the culmination of the genre.
All I can say is, the 5th stratum is a beautiful spectacle.
Race has so much meaning in this game aswell.

SniperWish
SniperWish

deal 20% damage every turn
Ups - they deal 20% more damage every turn.
That's what happens when they glow; their damage increases. So 120%, 140%, 160%.
Most normal enemies will never make a dent but the big enemies (like Baboons or fat birds) can hurt after a turn or two.
And of course FOEs can get out of control.

They work fine on frontline though?
As long as yo don't have any big enemies in the encounter or get attacked twice. All sorts of monkeys, cats and fat birds can easily one shot a Nightseeker.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

I don't think EO has too big of a fujoshi following.
Cute girls are more prominent that cute boys on EO covers (and sometimes they even use rather ugly boys) and I'm not sure how much of a hardcore gamer your average fujoshi is.
So finding some decent yaoi will be rather hard.

iluvmen
iluvmen

come again

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

This post feels like sarcasm for some reason

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

What are the gold items in EO4? Considering that every item goes out of stock(unlike EO3 where only gold items removed materials from stock), what's even the difference?

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Those are and always have been conditional drops.
Sometimes the condition is "get lucky" because they are glorified rare drops but most of the time you have to kill the enemy in a specific way to get the conditional drop.

Bar patrons and codex entries can halp you guess how to get the conditionals.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

Trust me man I know, I spent a couple of hours looking for said runemaster and I literally didn't find shit (based piikei had some scruffy though)

I wanna cry....

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

She is

Inmate
Inmate

I meant golden equipment

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

Teach go away. Not everyone is like you.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

They are made from FOE or boss drops or found in treasure chests.
Also iirc weapons become golden if you forge them.

Soft_member
Soft_member

Either one-time weapons uou find in chests, stuff made using conditionals or the weapons that have been forged

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

But what's the practical difference between them and normal equipment?

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

They're usually, but not necessarily, unique.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

They are slightly stronger than what you can get otherwise in that land or they have a skill you can use when wearing them.
Besides this there isn't much of a difference.

SniperGod
SniperGod

What's this red circle with a leaf symbol stamp in the description of some caves in Eo4?

massdebater
massdebater

A good job star.

viagrandad
viagrandad

It means you have solved the quest in that cave so there is no reason to come back (usually).

WebTool
WebTool

Is it odd that I wanna look at lewds but have 0 desire to actually sit down and draw them

Techpill
Techpill

So there is slash pierce and smash.
Where is rip and tear?

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

Is Dancer supposed to be an useless version of Prince? Why would you only be able to buff your own row?

Regen Waltz would be great since I don't want to be forced to use a Medic through the entire game, oh, but you can only heal 1 row!

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

I think that is pretty normal.
Most people are not good enough at drawing to produce palatable lewds.
Also it would take a long time to produce anything worthwhile and you want lewds now.

girlDog
girlDog

Healing Step or Wide Dance are able to heal the entire party.
I used a Dancer without a Medic and only had to buy some more Medicas until subclassing was unlocked.
If you have a Fortress that properly Taunts up your backline will rarely get attacked.

EOIV is overall balanced around Fortress. There are less area attacks than in other games and more random-hit attacks that get properly redirected by Taunt quite strongly.
With a Dancer in their line you have healing where it actually matters. And Dancers have the VIT and evasion to stay up front without a problem.
(A word of warning: Fan Dance is bugged. Don't take any Speed Boost passive together with it or the evasion bonus will disappear.)

Bidwell
Bidwell

Cut, stab and bash is all the physical elements we have.
Starting from EOIV attacks that hit one enemy in the front and one in the back are called "piercing" so using pierce for stab can be a bit confusing.

What are rip and tear supposed to be? Sounds like the same things and a sub-class of cut damage at that.

Lunatick
Lunatick

I thought that due to how aggro mechanics work, Taunt only helps dragging aggro from attacks meant to be on your own row?

I.e the enemy decides which row to attack before taking into account the extra aggro from highest HP member and member with Taunt, that's at least how it worked in EO3

Emberburn
Emberburn

The aggro mechanic is pretty complicated but from what I understood it works like this in EOIV:

First, everyone of your party members gets a random aggro value.
Second, the enemy chooses a party member they want to attack. That party member gets aggro on top of its already existing one. Which party member gets chosen depends on the AI of the enemy but most prefer front line targets and characters with the highest (total?) HP.
Third, Taunt adds an aggro value on top of that sum.
Whoever has the highest aggro value after all of that gets attacked.

Afaik enemies no longer choose a line but instead directly a character.

So in order for the Fortress to not get attacked they would need to: roll low on the first roll, not get chosen on the second roll, roll low again on the third roll.

Taunt is really strong in EOIV (which might be the reasong they didn't call it Provoke despite it being pretty similar).
It's the reason Fortress is strong early game - they can semi-passively pull most attacks on them.
It falls off a bit mid game and gets replaced by Shield skills in hard fights late game but until you have enough defences and/or evasion to spam Party Shield every turn it is a great help.

MPmaster
MPmaster

Alright, thank you.

Do you know if backline characters receive less damage from melee enemies, or if they're just less likely to be attacked?

StonedTime
StonedTime

They take less damage from melee enemies and can't be attacked by melee enemies in the back line.
But they also can not attack the enemy back line with melee weapons (such as a Runemaster trying to smash someone with a staff).

Btw. Lightning Rune has melee targeting but ranged damage. So it can only attack the enemy backline if your Runemaster is in the frontline.
I don't think that's ever needed but it's an interesting oddity.

TechHater
TechHater

Oh good. (And I'm one of those most because I've never drawn anything lewd in my life)

Oh well, hopefully I'll produce something worthwhile soon (that probably isn't this ahah)

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

What's a goo party on the beginning? I'm noticing that my Fortress can soak up almost all the damage anyway, and just learned that he has a self-heal skill, so I might as well ditch the Medic.

Right now it's:

Land/Fort/Night
Sniper/Medic

Night has not been very useful so far, I'd rather keep it in the back row, but only a couple of weak skills are ranged, it sucks that there are basically only 3 classes that can be used in the back row in the beginning

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Runemaster is a pretty strong class.
They are fun to use because their skills are more about the area they effect instead of just being your typical "three times the same skill in different colors".
And they can create their own weaknesses. At rank 6 their Fire/Ice/Volt Runes change the resistance of enemies by 35%.
So if an enemy only takes 75% damage from the element of the Rune they take 110% afterwards which activates Runic Guidance.
So for nearly every fight it is enough to just focus on two elements you like instead of being forced to take all three.

While right at the start the resistance manipulation is not that important they have the punch needed to be relevant.

But I'm not too sure about dodging Medic if you don't pick up a Dancer in exchange.
I usually focus on defensive skills for Fortress and don't have the points for Holy Smite. And while area attacks are less common they still exist.
It might be possible but I don't think it would be that fun. And you would need quite a few Medicas.

Nightseeker takes a while to get going and I usually only run either a Sniper or a Nightseeker. They both have some control and some damage but are a bit underwhelming if they don't manage to make their stuff stick.

F/L/D
S/R
is a pretty solid party. It's also my standard Link set-up so if you want to experiment with that you would easily be able to do so.
However going Linker makes the game even easier than it is already.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

Night has not been very useful so far
it's useful enough even early and becomes ridiculously OP once you hit 40 and once you can sub bushi. Hell you can kill the superboss in 4 turns with 3 N/B

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

you can drop the fort instead of the medic, tanks aren't necessary in 4 until the post game
your party is pretty defensive in general so get some more damage in
I'm not sure how useful lands are if you aren't making a link build
night is very good if you focus on poison

DeathDog
DeathDog

tanks aren't necessary in 4 until the post game
not like they are very useful in postgame either, stuff like fallen one or saviour can easily murder fortress

Soft_member
Soft_member

dropping fortress to keep medic
I, too, enjoy reviving half my team whenever a bind/ailment whiffs or falls off.

Snarelure
Snarelure

shit isn't dead before things fall off
sounds like you didn't do enough damage my man

idontknow
idontknow

being so ridiculously underleveled in the easiest game with the easiest grinding

Flameblow
Flameblow

EO5 sure cut corners everywhere.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

grinding in eo because using defences is too hard

King_Martha
King_Martha

Being oneshot in 4 is the sign of being underleveled as hell, all you need is runes, maybe defense buffs and copious healing

Emberburn
Emberburn

If you want to deal damage you need to kick out both Fortress and Medic not boot the defensive class for a heal slut.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Mystletainn Kick

StonedTime
StonedTime

defense buffs
eww

Who is supposed to use them with no Fortress? Dancer? Their slots are too valuable for that shit.
Fortresses sole reason for being is to get punched in the face while everyone else uses steroids and then blows the boss up.
If you waste a character for defensive buffs and another for healing you are one girl short for doing anything useful.

Firespawn
Firespawn

Dancer is better.Those self-buffs mean that a dancer can also switch lines and affect the new line instead. On top of that they make links ridiculous and they have some offensive capabilities, specially good for stunning. If you want party-wide healing, that's what medic exists for

prince

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

mean that a dancer can also switch lines and affect the new line instead

It wouldn't be much of a issue if switching lines didn't take a whole turn imo

TreeEater
TreeEater

It doesn't.
Switching position is a completely free action.

SniperWish
SniperWish

Why would you only be able to buff your own row?
So dancers don't become ridiculously OP and pretty much mandatory
you can only heal 1 row!
it's not like you can switch rows or use healing step/wide dance

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

Well, of course switching twice in the same turn and getting all dances to affect both lines at the same time would defeat of having dances affect only one line in the first place.

happy_sad
happy_sad

Speaking of dancers - do all this follow skills work for making even more links?

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Yes, Dancer is the single biggest asset a party built around links can have.

massdebater
massdebater

That's the whole point of chase samba

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

do i need dancer to be main or sub can work too?

takes2long
takes2long

Either works, the dance skills don't need much investment, but without Dancer's mastery you will have to rebuff a lot more often, which might cut into the offensive potential of the main class.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

Yes.
And not only do they make more Links, they make more Links guaranteed.
Multi-hit skills like Squall Volley will make one Link procc and have a chance to make up to three more but the chance gets lower pretty quickly.
Dancer Chases or attacks from Sword Dance count as an action so every single one of them has a 100% chance to generate one Link.
If you want to make the most out of Links every turn a Dancer is pretty much mandatory.

SniperGod
SniperGod

EO4
forgot ariadne thread in valley of the winds
there are 2 of these kangaroo overworld foes outside

Did I JUST'd myself?

takes2long
takes2long

Nevermind, I could get away with it by using a lure

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

You can try kicking their ass maybe if you can't run away

Techpill
Techpill

Spawning 3 pookas at once should be illegal

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

You can choose which one you want the most.
And sometimes catching 2 is possible.

Also I don't think they have an internal CD so you are not really losing anything, just gain the ability to choose.

Always keep in mind: Some of them have to get away so they can reproduce and make new ones.
You wouldn't want them to go extinct before your whole guild is +10 in everything, would you?

massdebater
massdebater

then why i can't catch those stupid things and force them to breed
or find their nest and kill them all

Spamalot
Spamalot

remove neneposter

viagrandad
viagrandad

Because your guild can not take prisoners, all they can do is kill.
The nest is probably not in a cave with a map - maybe its path aren't even made up of squares. How would anyone ever be able to navigate something like that?

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

Wow so some random guy in fancy pants is allowed to kidnap people and i cannot even catch some monsters for everyone to profit? That's some discriminative bullshit down here.

Booteefool
Booteefool

You only get kidnapping powers if you work for a guy that is cheating.

If you don't know: Baldur has every single Imperial skill maxed out. Every single one.
And then he has some that are above the maximum level.

Illusionz
Illusionz

Don't give Atlus any more DLC ideas.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

And adventurers literally go back in time if they are defeated and can slay pretty much gods. Sure they can catch some monsters and put them in enclosed space
he doesn't want to give money to atlus so they see that someone still cares about EO

viagrandad
viagrandad

God slaying powers come at a price.
Namely they can no longer handle any monster with care.
Even if they lured a monster into a trap it would die while getting transported.
That's why the utterly useless guards have to take care of the golden deer - we would turn it into golden mush.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

then why can't we pay the guards to handle them, not like they couldn't build some walls and deal with a weak ass monster which doesn't even attack

King_Martha
King_Martha

What is considered to be the cookie cutter party of eou? Something involving ronin, gunner and troubadour?

5mileys
5mileys

Well, it floats, it's bigger than an airship and it will pop at the slightest touch. How do you do that?

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

will pop at the slightest touch.
It doesn't though? Surely they could capture it in the net and just tow it somewhere

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

It has 1 HP. You touch it slightly roughly, it loses that 1 HP and it dissolves into a book.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Wrapping it in the net would be basically binding
And they definitely don't go poof after being binded

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

Wait, swapping the party around no longer takes a turn in EO4? That's fucking great, Dancer might not be as bad as I though if I can simply switch him from line to line at will.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Well, the next step is transporting such a large object without shaking it or bumping onto anything else. All while avoiding FOEs.

Supergrass
Supergrass

They can still only affect one line at a time, but moving is not part of the turn, you rearrange at will.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

FOEs
But i already killed them all for experience

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

Then as per EO tradition they will all respawn. And instead of chasing you they'll chase the pooka.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

they will all respawn
Great, more experience, it's murder time!

5mileys
5mileys

In a sudden burst of EOII they no longer give experience.
Or they are fucking lame and durable like the shitty FOEs in the Eldritch Hound DLC quest in EO2U.

Emberfire
Emberfire

remove trees

StonedTime
StonedTime

But he doesn't want to remove trees.
He loves trees.
They bring him munchies and all he has to do is just sit there.

FastChef
FastChef

But what is the process of eating trees if not removing them?

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

Stounting growth.
He doesn't seem to eat fast enough to do any real damage.
There even sprouted a completely new (and for some reason red) tree while he was around.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

and for some reason red
surely that's some conspiracy

Illusionz
Illusionz

I'm waiting for the day that EMD is finally on a good sale.
I'm slightly curious what this tree is about - all I heard is that the tree is not from the Yggdrasil Project.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

I'm waiting for the day that EMD is finally on a good sale.
Stop being poor or pirate it
I'm slightly curious what this tree is about - all I heard is that the tree is not from the Yggdrasil Project.
Dude ancient races lmao

JunkTop
JunkTop

the switch can literally play handheld games on the TV without even needing an adapter
the DS and 3DS will end up never getting any such support disregarding breaking the systems apart and soldering onto unofficial videocards onto them
Fuck this. Is it because of the two screens thing? When I emulate the games it still looks great on my HD TVs in spite of the games having two screens.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Quona has a bunch of onii-chan/onee-chan lines
Why didn't I know and why have I never heard them in-game?

TechHater
TechHater

And Abigail too. Please call an ambulance.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

Because ds/3ds already struggle with their own games and video output takes a lot. Video output also exists for hacked n3ds
How about i call the police instead you pedo

farquit
farquit

This thread is Hypatia-only. No Ricky allowed.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

Which version?
I can not see the english version to keep that even remotely.
In the Japanese version it's probably somewhere in the background chatter that plays if you stay on a town screen for a while.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

Because ds/3ds already struggle
So disregard their hardware and substitute it with something else.

WebTool
WebTool

best_twig.png
Try again.

Inmate
Inmate

Yes you got the switch

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

It doesn't play DS or 3DS games though. Which sucks.
Like, release a fancy Switch dock which can play DS or 3DS or something.

askme
askme

No one will do that while 3ds is in production just because some autist wants 3ds games on his fucking tv

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

They did it for the gameboy. They did it for the gameboy advance. And then they completely stopped when they started with the dual screens gimmick. And now we have the switch which has native tv support, but no backwards compatibility.

The 3ds and the ds are the only nintendo handhelds that lack this option.

w8t4u
w8t4u

They did it for gameboy because it was up in era when companies experimented with different stuff to figure out what they can sell. No one nowadays would waste lots of money on developing something that would undermine selling all that console stock they already have because a few autists want it. Maybe when switch will be as common as 3ds now and 3ds production will stop they will consider such a thing (and even then it's more likely they will just make some sort of VC to resell stuff again)

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

neneposter
singular

Evilember
Evilember

You guys multiply?
Cute.

But I am still a worshipper of the non-nene fencer.

Techpill
Techpill

pretending so many people with such an awful taste exist

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

And then they completely stopped when they started with the dual screens gimmick
GEE I WONDER WHY

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Atlus is know for fully exploring potential, after all

RumChicken
RumChicken

the entire general will be filled with neneposters one day

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

Wait 200?
Where can I buy this?

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

neVer eVer

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Japanese of course. Address5 through 10. "Address" voice clips usually pop in during conversations for all characters and they usually have just 4 of them. Background chatter is Idle TalkX.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Anyone else think that resting only getting rid of 2 levels is a bit too cheap? I appreciate how convenient it is but it also trivializes the whole investing in a specific type of build aspect in EO. I still think 5 levels is the sweet spot. It's punishing enough that you would have to heavily consider it but fair enough that it doesn't completely shit all over your character forcing you to grind for what would be hours.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Not until they give us better info on what the skills do. No, just "melee damage to one enemy unit" is not enough.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Fair enough I suppose.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

It allows you to test stuff without caring much (which is important with traditional garbage descriptions) so you can find out whatever you like and settle with it. Anything past 2 is a mistake, especially fucking 10 in early games

Lunatick
Lunatick

Is it a good idea to reclass Bertrand into a landsherk? Arianna can keep the party alive

Techpill
Techpill

on standard mode I guess
he kinda needs to spam front guard every turn on expert, land isn't amazing anyway

happy_sad
happy_sad

No unless you like to get rekt
Give him the beast grimoires instead, i sure wish we get Wulfgar instead, cute dog is better than a failed faaf

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

Of course shitty descriptions are to blame, but 2 is hardly punishing and pretty much lets you to switch to completely different types of builds at virtually any time. It really cheapens the character building.

iluvmen
iluvmen

land isn't amazing anyway
What's wrong with Lands? They're not broken but they're still quite good.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

It's better than having to grind 3 more levels while doing the same

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

Unsurprisingly it's "Mister" and "Miss" in English.

I have no idea what Abigail's lines are for but I believe Quona uses one of hers if you are sitting the Inn with her and the hangover guard comes in.

Methnerd
Methnerd

You don't necessarily HAVE to grind right after resting. They're just going to be relatively underpowered for a while is all. My point is that it should discourage you to rest whenever you want so you stick with what you got unless you're really not satisfied.

viagrandad
viagrandad

No one wins anything from it

idontknow
idontknow

I don't remember it happening but I'll listen more carefully on my next playthrough. Still it's 6 clips total, a bit weird that there's no sensible way to trigger them.
Then again, Hrothgar has 6 ways to say/yell "Kurogane" and I doubt all of them can be heard in-game.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

Hrothgar has 6 ways to say/yell "Kurogane"
what even for

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

You're missing my point.

whereismyname
whereismyname

I think 2 levels are enough for that purpose.
giving up that much juicy XP hurts already.
By the time the final story boss comes around you are often very slightly overleveled so I would think they put in one Rest for that boss when balancing the XP.

You are still not able to just use the best build in every situation and change before every boss but your Rested party members are not holding the group back either.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

A man loves his doggo.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

I would think it's gender sensitive - no sense in Quona going "Onii-chan" when addressing a classic party full of girls.
But that still leaves three.
I believe the first, shy one is used during the inn sitting. Maybe the neutral one is used if you deny her?
The last, almost aggressive one sounds almost like she is warning you so maybe it's used when you are taking her on a walk through the labyrinth?
There are some easily missable scenes there. Like when you gather something for the first time with her around she will join in and get one material for you.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

that's a nice doggo though

StonedTime
StonedTime

Rather than gravity those sound more like familiarity to me with Address7/10 sounding happier, Abigail further confirms these (she might as well have gone "onee-sama" with that last one).
At least with onii/onee-chan, I don't know how mister/miss sound.
My guess is that most, if not all, of those 12 clips are never actually used. A shame, they would have been nice service for greetings or some new-floor-discovered dialogues.

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

never ever

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

Yeah and i'm supposed to believe they are gonna translate dialogues as well, which are actually important in EO unlike in monhun

Methnerd
Methnerd

anyone who isn't worthless can already play it without a UI patch

Soft_member
Soft_member

knows weebrunes
literally a sign of worthless

takes2long
takes2long

They don't. They just keep looking back and forth from the computer screen to the 3DS for translated skills. Which is one of the unfunnest ways to play videogames.

farquit
farquit

I'm sure they're taking that into account seeing as how atlus usa hasn't acknowledged EOV existence of EOV.
The dialogue the DM and mysterious girl says is a bit complex but if there's an editor to help translation it might give the writing justice.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

Before everyone gets excited - the issue with recrypting the game still has not been fixed.
So afaik it runs only on Citra and like ass at that since the game loads too much crap at once.
Moving in the dungeon is super slow and having any voice line load causes seconds worth of lag.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

It can still probably be made as NTR patch or whatever

JunkTop
JunkTop

1fps is enough for muh screenshot LP

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

The LP is done with the Japanese version so I'm pretty sure that the game runs fine while recording.

I think not even goons are autistic enough to actually play through a EO that runs like crap.

Techpill
Techpill

Does heal mastery affect auto heals and auto revive?

Booteefool
Booteefool

Afaik Auto-Heal yes, Auto-Revive (and normal Revive for that matter) no.

Healing increasing passives only work with abilities that scale with a stat.
The Revive skills restore a fixed amount of HP and those run through no formulas so there is no chance for passives to be applied.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

monster appears in groups of three all the time
get a fetch quest for its item
now they rarely appear, one at a time
never drop the item anyway
Why is this stupid bullshit still a thing?

idontknow
idontknow

I don't know, user.
Even worse is "get a rare item from a gathering point".
Even with the right skills that shit never drops when the quest is active and you run out of spots and have to either reset or go to sleep.

SniperWish
SniperWish

that fucking quest in Untold where you have to find a rare item dropped only at gathering points those fucking Ice Mantises landed on
Why

Firespawn
Firespawn

Because fuck you, that's why.
At least you could keep those damn glaciar ootecas, I don't know what i would have done if I had to get more for the shop.

happy_sad
happy_sad

I ordered Untold 2 and it should come to my house in a few days. Until then I think I'm gonna play through Untold 1 on Classic Expert so I can finally do a true 100% of the game never ever touch it again. What are some good classes?

RavySnake
RavySnake

Alchemist, Protector, Gunner...

whereismyname
whereismyname

How good are Hexer and Trob in U1?

girlDog
girlDog

Gunner
How about no.

Methnerd
Methnerd

Troub can be your main healer and has all his usual buff stuff lying around. TP restore is not good so don't think she will make a mana battery.
Also cleansing is a bit of a problem unless you can just use Medic Grimoires for that.

Hexer is pretty strong as a pure control class.
Somehow most FOEs and bosses are relatively vulnerable against fear so you can just get free turns out of them with little effort. Either have them hit themselves or tank their defences while they can do nothing else, it's great.
Also they have petrification which is nice for annoying random encounter enemies.

TechHater
TechHater

she

Soft_member
Soft_member

Heard that dark hunter and hexer have good synergy how does that work? I have never used either.

JunkTop
JunkTop

I think you mean
his

I fucked up. Every player character in EO is female by default...

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

can

Playboyize
Playboyize

nah, gray trobadour is just too perfect

Emberburn
Emberburn

Whip Dark Hunter has three skills that deal a bit of damage and can put on one of the binds.
Hexer has three skills that don't deal damage and can put on one of the binds. They also have a better chance at inflicting those binds.

Dark Hunter has Ecstasy.
The damage of the skill scales with the number of binds.
One binds is nice damage.
Two binds is extremely high damage.
Three binds is the single strongest damage skill in the game by a wide margin.
(Funnily enough Ecstasy got buffed in EO2U and Dark Hunter got Trance which doubles their damage against bound or ailing enemies. They can nearly one shot bosses.)

So bind the enemies up and hit them for massive damage.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

I wish the female Troubadours would wear more clothes.
They are not Dancers and their bra straps look stupid.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

I see, thought it would be something more gimmicky.

WebTool
WebTool

Are the gun skills good enough to inflict binds?

Methnerd
Methnerd

Well if you whiff your binds your Dark Hunter's middling VIT means they will most likely get killed, sometimes even through Front Guard.
And their other damage options are rather bad except for Boosted Viper so your damage is going to suffer.

It is pretty all in - if the binds land and stick long enough, great. If not the fight will go downhill quickly.

FOEs and bosses aren't that easily bound and accumulated resistances means you often have only one shot to apply the binds then you need to wait 8 or 10 turns (I'm not too sure which) until the resistances reset.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

They should be singing intead of dancing in their portraits

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

Bait was fun with a protector

King_Martha
King_Martha

They are useful in story mode since you have nothing else.
Ricky has ok TEC and LUC (better than Dark Hunter in fact) so she can land them quite reliably.
Also if you really want to land them there is Action Boost.

But she is almost too good at dealing damage to use her for binds.
So be careful where you spend your skill points. I think all three bind skills on her will eat too much.

massdebater
massdebater

Is Ronin, Dark Hunter, Protector on the front line and Hexer and Troubadour on the back a good team for EOU? Kinda feel like I'm lacking damage and betting it all on dark hunter's and hexer's binding feels risky.

StonedTime
StonedTime

you can just go for one point in each and lean on action boost

the bind rate only raises on level 5 and 10 anyway

FastChef
FastChef

I wanted to reclass a survivalist into a gunner because I never used one.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

that's the U2 meme team
Elemental damage is king in the first untold

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Reclassing in EOU sucks.
It's only available at level 30 and costs five levels.
In EO2U you can do it at level 1 and cheat the level costs that way.

Playboyize
Playboyize

U2 meme team
Ronin
on what planet

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

I want to do it anyway. I like the portraits

likme
likme

While Troubadour and Ronin have synergy (stances are important buffs on Ronin and Troubadour can increase buff duration) you are awefully light on elemental damage.

EO2U Ronin has no place in any meme team unless you want one with the worst classes.
But if you chance it to War Magus you are basically there.

w8t4u
w8t4u

Fug, you're right. Then what should I take out?
Ronin for Alchemist?

Illusionz
Illusionz

They have rather bad TEC and even worse LUC.
Their STR is nothing to write home about - all they have it AGi and as opposed to EO2U gun and bow skills don't scale with AGI but with STR.

They are faster but worse in anything else, especially inflicting stuff.
In EO2U it might actually work though.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Reclassing is autistic and should have never existed.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

Why did they severely underpower ailments and binds in EO3?

viagrandad
viagrandad

Pretty sexy but my favorite EO girl is still the workshop girl, whatever her name was (never played any of the games, just came here for the lewd in the OP that I saw in the catalog)

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

because they're too exploitable for the player

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Because they basically broke EO2. Also Atlus hates success.

Illusionz
Illusionz

If you want the Dark Hunter + Hexer combo that would be your best bet.

Giver your Troub a good bow so they can contribute something to early fights.
Pack some Medicas - while Troub has Restful tune for out of fight healing they need a while to get their proper infight heal.
You need Echoing Rondo which isn't cheap and the Elderevenge buff food.

farquit
farquit

There have been four different workshop girls until now.
But I'm guessing pic related?
That would be Shilleka.

Snarelure
Snarelure

No, I meant the sexy one (blonde hair)

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

Oh well, I'll try that and see how it goes.
Would having a grimoire with all elemental walls and equiping it to my Alchemist justify not using a protector?

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

wtf gay

StonedTime
StonedTime

Why did they beong them back in eo4?

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

Imagine an EO with both bard-like and dancer-like classes, working together as well as hexer and dark hunter/doctor magus.
The twintailed loli portrait is a bard.

idontknow
idontknow

Yes her!! what is this kanojo's name

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

In some way they strengthened them.
In EO and EOII infliction chance scaled with nothing but skill level. TEC and LUC had no effect.
In EOIII they added stats into the mix so overall it got a bit easier to land stuff.

Seeing that players inflicting the same stuff over and over would trivialize all battles they put in accumulated resistances.
Seeing that the way resistances worked now would severly shift the power of binds and ailments against the player they said "fuck players" and called it a day.

iluvmen
iluvmen

But it is 2U where elemental damage is king. Fafnir, alchemist and gunner are too stronk, fantasias are too good to pass on and pretty much every boss has elemental weaknesses to exploit.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

That's Wynne from Etrian Odyssey 4.

SniperGod
SniperGod

awefully light on elemental damage.
Does it really matter in EOU anyway? I don't think there's much physical resistant stuff you can't petrify there

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

It just seems like everytime I inflict something after 5 turns of trying it disappears right away for them.
The risk reward factor is out of proportion.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

We wuz eartlings n sheeit
We gonna enslave non humans n sheeit

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

I don't even know how that would work with buff slots.
Dancer want their slots for themselves, Troubadours want the slots of the entire group. Mixing stuff would have you push out the wrong buffs on Dancer constantly.

Unless you completely rework the class so that they usually self-buff and have several Dances as active skills that get powered by buffs.
You could have synergy in that the Troubadour buffs substitute the Dancer ones in that case.
It would be a pretty big rework though.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

four
Wasn't Eddie's sister a shopkeeper too? That would make five.

Soft_member
Soft_member

Because they wanted to fix many of the things they fucked up with EO3. Ailments and binds are among such things.

iluvmen
iluvmen

Are yggdroids a fun class?
Two yggdroids pluss bots makes a decent team right?

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

you'll never enslave a bunny waifu

Methshot
Methshot

A-anyone?
Was my idea that shitty?

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Oh, I forgot that.
They can wear off at the start of the next turn. In EOIV it got changed that they are at least guaranteed to last for the turn they are inflicted and the one afterwards.

In EO and EOII afaik they always lasted exactly five turns.

whereismyname
whereismyname

I mean, it does work, but damage classes most of the time can't give an equipment slot to something as passive as a shield, especially not for super situational skills.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

Your Protector will spent most of her time Front Guarding. Ronin and Dark Hunter are really squishy so they need the protection.
Medics also don't have too many defences.
Only Landsknecht would be able to reasonably stay alife without any protection.

Oh and you don't put defensive skills you might need to spam on a damage class. If anything you put them on a support.

Inmate
Inmate

Oh well, I'll see what I can do, thanks for replying.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

Yggdroids are completely messed up.
They have no focus, try to have three or more different gimmicks and their stat spread is horrible.
You can use them for cheese tactics but for a normal team they will seriously underperform.
Just as one thing: They always have 60TP unless you give them TP equipment. They never get more.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

I was leaning on the second pretty much in the same way you guessed.
It's a new game so they have to be new classes.
The easy way to go would be to have the bard-like throw traditional buffs while the dancer-like lives off one-turn buffs enhanced by regular buffs and maybe some ronin-style stances.
Of course two buffers for one party would be a little silly so they need something else to throw on the side but that's not very ifficult to work around as dancers were already halfway there. If the side-job for both classes is strong enough, they could even share the buffing one with regular buffs, but that wouldn't be so fun.

The most important part, however, is to have twintails in the less skimpy class.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

Guess my best choice is just switching out Ronin for Alchemist.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

They make good hoplites.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

Amplyfing buffs sounds a bit redundant since you would dedicate two people to buff duties.
I was thinking along the lines of a skill that has you attack once for every buff you have.
Since buffs are way easier to put on than binds it can not be quite as strong as Ecstasy but it can be good damage nontheless.

The Hexer and Dark Hunter/War Magus synergy is about turning supports into damage classes after all.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

They are ok as Hoplites, that's right.
But Hoplite can go sub Ninja - and they don't need to bind themselves before starting to use defensive skills.

RumChicken
RumChicken

I've had no problems using Yggdroid Hoplite all the way into endgame. Hop/Nin needs to spend the first turn cloning, and the second turn healing before they start defending, so I think it equals out.
Yggdroids bottomless TP makes them way better imhofam

Methshot
Methshot

Ailments can't wear off immediately unless a freak circumstance happens. In EO1, it depends, but they tend to have a set duration. But it's not 5 turns for every one. In EO2 onwards, it depends on the victim's level and luck. They didn't change the mechanics of that until EO5.

RavySnake
RavySnake

I was thinking of stuff like ice circle being stronger in the presence of frost fantasia, but that works too. In fact, I was thinking of both, several skills of different kinds that get stronger in the presence of buffs.
Going dark hunter with buffs is good but the possibility of turning your mage into a death god is nice as well.

Methshot
Methshot

alchemist
death god
lmao
maybe with compressed jars

Techpill
Techpill

You know lads, it hasn't even been a year yet since EOV was released. Not that much time has actually passed has it?

Wake me up if no news by next year

Emberfire
Emberfire

It has been 8 months

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

Well, we can't really have a "big" release for late 2018, can we?

and a week

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

Runemaster. With a fantasia. And a strengthened circle. And two more buffs on top of that.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Wow I fucking love EO3.

Skullbone
Skullbone

What?
You don't love invisible FOEs spawning right next to you whenever you get into a fight?
But it seems like such a fun and fair mechanic.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

Why are her and slutiness such a natural mix?

Lunatick
Lunatick

Is Peerless Combo Ronin any good?

Lunatick
Lunatick

No.
You need a ton of skill points to even get it going, it ends your Peerless Stance unless you have Immovable up and at rank 20 it has a 61% damage modifier to the three skills.

A lot of requirements and barely any payoff.
Damage is still lackluster.

Only thing EO2U Ronin is remotely good at is using Frigid Slash with an Alchemist's Compression on.

farquit
farquit

delet this

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

it's a little fun to do an infinite combo with some fafnir grimoires

i was really disappointed when I found out that each part of peeless combo doesn't trigger the landsknecht chases though, my idea was to use it with the palm skills

Nojokur
Nojokur

Is there any reason to play the original EO2 on my DS?

Skullbone
Skullbone

You can try the broken as fuck skills and boosts, rage at enemies evading all your attacks and enjoy the glitches

whereismyname
whereismyname

Because it's a good game?

Methnerd
Methnerd

the true heavenly keep starts there

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

Experiencing Piss Castle in all its ugly glory.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Wait I think I remember the counter skill being some broken shit if you used it right

Techpill
Techpill

youtube.com/watch?v=omxNIlPEI8g
I've never completed the post game. It was way too hard without exploiting broken stuff

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

why is big tits blonde a slut
dunno, i'm actually surprised she's zodiac instead of medic

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

AND THEY SAY LANDSKNECHTS ARE UNDERPOWERED

Evilember
Evilember

Not like it's any better in eo2u (yeah, less piss, still the ugliest stratum in this game)

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

I love it when they take their sweet time to show their equipment but then in combat rush out as fast as humanly possible.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

To completely faceroll the game with barely any effort. No wonder eo2u is such a fucking drag clearly made on purpose.
youtube.com/watch?v=WqTgIuzmfxw

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

Hexer is carrying this team really.

Flameblow
Flameblow

Man, EO2 is such a shitty game.

RavySnake
RavySnake

go away

massdebater
massdebater

It's easily the worst EO game. It's amazing 2U ended up being as great as it was, thought the whole thing was fairly unsalvageable.

farquit
farquit

I'm about to face Ur-Child in EO2U for the first time with the story team.
Anything I should keep in mind?
What skills are a must for this motherfucker?

Spamalot
Spamalot

If you don't have a formed strategy already and know his pattern to heart, you're going to die.

w8t4u
w8t4u

How do I even map the Overworld in EO4 correctly?

Should the 3 line colors be used to map the boundaries of each altitude?

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

Green: plains
Blue: water
Red: pookas route

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

can you upload a picture so I can see it better?

RumChicken
RumChicken

I doesn't matter, you can map however you want.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

You make sure to step on every single tile because the colours you can paint don't look the same as the auto-map.

w8t4u
w8t4u

you can use multuple force breaks in that fight
look up an his general pattern so you can know what turns he's going to restore your force bars

King_Martha
King_Martha

Better rev up the old wikia.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

I know, it's just that there's probably an optimal way to map the overworld to make it less confusing to look at. There are so many new map icons both for dungeons and the overworld this time around that I don't know where to use them.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Do rare breed enemies in 4 have extra stats or just the power boost?

Is there any reward other than the extra exp?

Spamalot
Spamalot

Only exp, not sure about stats, but power for sure

idontknow
idontknow

can't map the tiles below whirlwinds without running into them

JUST

Lunatick
Lunatick

Dauntless Order is a meme. Stack Chain Dance and Trick Step to deal with Howling Winds. 100% Barrier (War Lore 20 and Barrier 20) is highly recommended. Just stack everything desu.

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

It's over.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Their agility is multiplied by 10, and their damage increases by 20% every time they glow. Aside from that, no stat changes.

Snarelure
Snarelure

Just put me out of my misery already.

whereismyname
whereismyname

Our long myth ends here.

5mileys
5mileys

And it was fucking nothing. Just like EOV localization.

Methshot
Methshot

So, in EO4, what does the multiplayer feature do? Is it just gathering other's guild card QR codes to get the treasures in the maps?

Evilember
Evilember

delet this

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

You will, eventually.

DeathDog
DeathDog

I have no idea what are you guys talking about just random twitter?

cum2soon
cum2soon

twitter.com/tononet/status/853053910453338112

massdebater
massdebater

It's pretty alright.

2U
good, let alone great
Neck.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

3fags are literally worse than teachfags

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

3fags are the worst, regardless of the Atlus series. I dread the day that Raidou 3 and DeSu 3 will be released.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

& PS4
nintendo is doomed

DeathDog
DeathDog

What's your problem with 2U?

massdebater
massdebater

Yeah, I would totally believe some random fan panel that was "sponsored by Atlus" at weebcon.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

Is there any list of the rewards of the skyship quests in EO4 for each area?

Also why do the NPCs only appear occasionally?

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

Please Ricky, save this place

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

ded

likme
likme

I just step on every tile and don't draw any lines.
In fact the only thing I actually every do is put event markers on it - no actual drawing whatsoever.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

Is there any list of the rewards of the skyship quests in EO4 for each area?

I don't think there is any list.
Iirc starting with the second land you can get four items that let you get more rare food (which does not actually mean the golden one but another white variety) and the Emergency Pole.
Starting with the third land you can get four items that increase the amount of food you get and the Foodapult MK II.
In every land you can get a new, better Icon from Kirjonen and Dragon item from Wiglaf. When exactly you get them is a bit random. It can be right at the start or after you got all the ship equipment.
I believe once you start getting medicine for helping them there are no longer any airship parts to be gotten but you can still get Icons and Dragon items.

Also why do the NPCs only appear occasionally?

They probably have another job besides flying around and getting food for the Count.
What I do when I want their equipment is collect all food items that I can get to. When I get no golden food I reset. Otherwise I fly back and fourth on the northern edge of the map (dragons usually don't go there) until the ships spawn or a new day breaks and I can collect new food.
It sometimes takes a few day but I usually get all the airship parts and both accessoires that way. But it's not all that exciting to do.

Skullbone
Skullbone

Kinda disappointed with the low variety of weapon types in EO4, do you ever unlock more types?

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

Two of the unlockable classes have a unique weapon type.

RumChicken
RumChicken

Only one for the last class.

DeathDog
DeathDog

The second and third unlockable class bring their own weapon type with them.

Snarelure
Snarelure

Bushi doesn't use a sword, they use a katana.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Does each ailment forge in guards still reduce the chance of being inflicted by the ailment by 10%? That would mean in EO4 a Sleep Guard would reduce the chance by 80%? That's a fucking lot compared to previous games, specially since you get it so early

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

Yes - it's one reason why farming sheep in the second land is so easy. Sleep is their gimmick, sleep guard makes it a non-issue.

In the Untolds and EOV you can get immunity items against certain ailments rather easily.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Why didn't I get the seal thing on the very first dungeon in EO4? I got them on all the others

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

You did - right after you beat the Berserker King your party automatically walks up to the altar and takes the seal.
They are like "maybe that's useful, let's take it".
The Count even sends you out to unlock the next land because you have that seal iirc.

Firespawn
Firespawn

I meant the old mine thing which is basically the tutorial dungeon with just one floor

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

Because there's a quest there later.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

MUH HP POOLS

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

Ah, ok.
The quest for that cave only becomes available in the third land.
It's easily the hardest quest in the first land and even kind of hard for the time you get it.

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

I love EO2U but the bosses are easily the worst part of it.
Bosses are rarely that great for me (I prefer the exploration and fighting FOEs) but the over reliance on patterns and summons make them extra bad.
They are pretty boring to fight against and the HP pools do drag the fights a bit longer than they need to be.

TechHater
TechHater

Between Fafnir and Highlander - who has the bigger dick?

5mileys
5mileys

Faaf probably since he doesn't look like a gayboy

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

Why couldn't original faaf trash the calamity itself if we supposedly get all the powers from her and they're more than enough?

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Fafnir is already fully powered after the Demi-Fafnir fight which is not nearly enough to stand up to the Calamity.

What happens at the very end is due to the Grail of Kings (and Arianna's tears because quality writing).
That thing which had turned Artelinde's half dead sister into Scylla, created the Juggernaut and maybe even Ur-Shild supercharges Fafnir and makes it possible for him to solo the Calamity.
No Faaf before him had access to that.

takes2long
takes2long

THen why no one tried to trash overlord before? Not like he's even hard

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Probably because the other Fafnirs did what they were supposed to do and went for a life of being a battery.

If memory serves correctly the Grail of Kings was even more wonky than it is now.
It seems the creator of the Fafnir system knew about its power but also its dangers. The last Fafnir is confirmed to have killed Flame Demon a hundred years ago at a time before Ginnungagap went to shit.
So it seems the creator wanted to use some power of the Grail of Kings by defeating monsters transformed by it but was not ready to fully rely on it. And who can blame her seeing how deranged Overlord is?

It's very unlikely that any of the other Fafnirs knew about the Grail of Kings - we only learned about it because the Duke got sick and we got hired to help him.
Also we kind of completely smashed the Fafnir system so it's not like we had any choice besides finding a different solution.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Port it to PC

girlDog
girlDog

lmao neVer eVer

Emberfire
Emberfire

What's the tier list for EO4 classes?

idontknow
idontknow

Tier S: not Bushi or Medic
Tier C: Bushi and Medic

Spamalot
Spamalot

C
More like B+

TreeEater
TreeEater

Tier S: Wufan
Tier C: Not Wufan

SniperWish
SniperWish

I'd say, for main classes only:
Tier S:
- fortress
- arcanist

Tier A:
- imperial
- dancer
- runemaster

Tier B:
- nightseeker
- landshark
- sniper

Tier C
- medic

Tier D
- bushi

Supergrass
Supergrass

fortress
S
nightseeker
B
Is this bait

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

It is such a crime that Wufan can not properly retire.
Also I would love to use Kibagami's portrait for an actually good class because it's awesome.

Flameblow
Flameblow

yeah, if anything fortress is M.

JunkTop
JunkTop

What's the best party if you want to fap?

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

Aside from Bushi being at the very bottom, the rest depends on the time of the game.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

What is happening here
youtube.com/watch?v=aPXPqyqyY-w

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Why no combat study in EO4? Reee, how am I supposed to train anything over the usual 5-man party?

Techpill
Techpill

you get those free scrolls every time you unlock a new class but there's nothing beyond that
in doubt just abuse the QR code trick to level up single characters quickly

takes2long
takes2long

Fortresses in eo4 are fucking ridiculous. They soak up so much damage and just never die themselves. They're as useful at the beginning of the game as they are at the end.

Nightseekers, on the other hand, die very often before you get things like auto-sneak or the evasion-raising skills and it's difficult as placing them in the frontline for early game. They of course are great by the time you reach the 5th stratum, but they're not consistently strong.

Supergrass
Supergrass

abuse the QR code trick
explain
just never die themselves
yeah enjoy tanking stuff like fallen one or savior, and their beyond terrible tp with huge skill costs doesn't help either. They are really only helpful on earlier bosses and as sacrificial lambs for postgame

WebTool
WebTool

Fortress
Not S
Is THIS bait? Fortresses are nuts, they're probably the best tank this series has seen. Party Shield + Fan Dance is fucking busted.

Booteefool
Booteefool

make a QR code of your own team, then scan it and make a party of 4 QR team members + the one you want to level and grind shiny FOEs. QR members don't gain exp so everything gets pooled into that one member so he essentially gets the exp of all the members of the team just for himself

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

Nightseekers are only really weak as a class during 3rd Stratum and early 4th. Their ailment skills especially stuff like blind help the party out a lot early on when you don't really want to be taking hits and Ice Knife is a fairly strong skill for the fairly low investment.

King_Martha
King_Martha

That's only good if you need to train 3- characters, else it's not different from just making a team from whoever you want to train

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

it's for quickly getting one or two new members to the level of the others, why would you need anything else
if you want a completely new party just start a new game or something

RumChicken
RumChicken

Just blinding enemies and providing some decent ice damage isn't really enough to justify a spot on the tier list any higher, though. They just die too often and don't provide enough damage for their benefits in early game to mean much.

They help out immensely in the 6th stratum. The warped savior admittedly does do a bit too much damage for a fortress to handle but it's only one blot on an otherwise stainless record. The fallen one doesn't do that much, fuck off.

TreeEater
TreeEater

grind shiny FOEs

shit, man, how am I even supposed to search for them? plus, aren't shiny FOEs a bit dangerous just for extra exp? I'd rather just turn on casual mode, set auto-pilot up and something to hold down the A button, then leave it afk for some time to level up the character

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

get items to literally skip a bunch of levels
people still wonder about how to get new characters up to pace
reee
This thread is littered with retards.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

every(?) foe has a food that they like and they turn shiny when you give it to them
I guess you could just set it to picnic

Lunatick
Lunatick

Being weak in midgame wihle being good enough for early game and utterly broken past 40 is nowhere near B
If there's no way to get scripts of souls without ng+ then those items are fucking useless

cum2soon
cum2soon

get items to literally skip a bunch of levels

I may not be in this part yet

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

Well, depends on where you are.

If you're at the 3rd stratum, you can reliably handle the golden rams in the 2nd land. Just fly around, grab all the plants, look for the golden ones (think its the gold stinkhorns), then drop it to feed it to the rams, and they turn shiny. If you're at the 4th stratum, you can do the same thing with gold fish in the 3rd land and the ice mantises. If you're at postgame, do the same with gold fish and the mantises in the 4th land.

Trust me, its much faster than the autowalk strategy.

askme
askme

Many overworld FOEs have a favorite food that turns them shiny.
The sheep in the second land love the golden mushrooms and they respawn every day.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

You get two each time you get a new class.

girlDog
girlDog

After the second, third and fourth stratum you get two items each that let you instantly level up one character to level 25, 35 and 45 respectively.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

No, it is at B rank.

Look at all the classes I have in A rank and S rank. All of them are at the very least stellar from the moment you get them to the end of the game. Sniper falls off in usefulness come late game, landshark is bad in early game because you won't be able to get off links properly, and nightseeker suffers similar issues.

Illusionz
Illusionz

I see, what's the multiplier exp for shiny monsters? I've seen 3x but I think I've also seen 5x

girlDog
girlDog

up to 10x or something, sheep with holy gift give around 40-50k and any foe worth shit gives 120-150+

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Rare breeds give five times experience - but you can eat XP increasing food and use the Holy Gift Burst skill in every fight.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

How can you guarantee to get the food that turns them shiny anyway? Or any food that increases exp. Kinda sucks that you're forced to sell all food upon going to town.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

by softresetting and ship equip that makes certain types of gathering points gold

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

Considering that the party is at its absolute frailest in the early game, any and all methods of damage mitigation is a god send. Whether its blinding from the NS, a Sniper's bind or Power Break from a Landshark since Links are a late game build once you have the tools.

Runemasters hit really hard early on but they burn out fairly quickly. I'd argue that the damage dealers should all be around the same tier except for Bushi.

TechHater
TechHater

So in EO3 I should just forget about binds and ailments and just focus on damage output?

viagrandad
viagrandad

Pretty much.
They have some uses early on so something like the Buccaneer's Rapier skills can actually be used.
But having any character overly focussed on binds/ailment - like Wildling - will quickly fall off.

TechHater
TechHater

Wildling is fucking good m8, just not a lot in the beginning

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

remove trees

5mileys
5mileys

Wildling is best in the beginning when poison lands reliably and does a lot of damage.

Later on the low resistances of FOEs and bosses mean they can inflict most of their stuff exactly once before the enemy becomes completely immune to it.
Your best bet at that point is to throw out a Lion or Tiger, clogging up the sixth slot while also performing worse than many other classes.
Drums are cool, though.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

tfw want to go back and finish eo4 but everything is too slow

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

There's some rng bullshit thing that you can do that makes then instant death activate on practically everything it's like the go to speed run strat for 3.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

How dare they like the last least shit game in this awful series

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

Just because you can cheese out the game and/or manipulate RNG doesn't mean a class is good.

Ninja and Yggdroid are the go to classes to cheese the Abyssal God but they are still sub-par classes in any normal playthrough.

DeathDog
DeathDog

sticky feet

Who actually likes these fetuses?

Emberfire
Emberfire

For random encounters Wildling is very useful, it's worthless for bosses though. You can still use drums and roar to make it more useful for bosses

farquit
farquit

After playing for a while it usually doesn't bother me anymore.
Half an hour should be enough to get used to the lower speed.

FastChef
FastChef

half the class roster is useless
foes are no danger even when you first encounter them
need to play it three times with the most retarded ng+ ever for completion

least shit

The bait you throw is quite tasty.

Snarelure
Snarelure

I see no problem with those sexy bodies.

TreeEater
TreeEater

shitposting this hard

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Building a party around an exploit dosen't make it viable for the whole game.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

I never said that it was viable, I was just stating that it was a thing.

StonedTime
StonedTime

Who localized the first EMD? Chunsoft or Atlus?

MPmaster
MPmaster

fatlus

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

Hold the fucking A button and stop being an impatient cunt

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

CALL MY NAME AND SAVE ME FROM THE DARK

massdebater
massdebater

fag

likme
likme

remove neneposters

Snarelure
Snarelure

he mad because nene is so fresh

Evilember
Evilember

Fresh shit is still shit

Bidwell
Bidwell

Stop getting angry about anime girls.

Illusionz
Illusionz

no

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

Remove deer

Techpill
Techpill

Is 7th Dragon still welcome here?

I'm struggling hard in the fight against hypnos and could use some advice.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

If you remind who the fuck are these then maybe i can remember what i did there

Methnerd
Methnerd

load ex skills, gg

Bidwell
Bidwell

Long answer: No
Short answer: Yes

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

capture deer
breed deer
eat lots of deer

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

breed deer
They are doing it themseves successfully

Nojokur
Nojokur

tfw buying a stylus just so I can draw maps

SniperGod
SniperGod

I'm pretty sure DS and 3DS don't care what you use as long as it is smooth and not too big.
A ballpoint pin with its insides removed should work just fine as should the dull end of any pen made of plastic.

King_Martha
King_Martha

Not fast enough.
Not nearly fast enough.

DeathDog
DeathDog

This, DS and 3DS use resistive touchscreen instead of capacitative so any object works as long as it doesn't scratch the screen.
This also means if you use it a lot you will wear it out

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

Stop pretending you can eat a whole deer in a day

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

will wear it out
you must use it very rough and with an awful quality stylus to wear it out enough

StonedTime
StonedTime

My DS touchscreen is full of scratches from regular use with nintendo styluses thanks to playing Osu!

Flameblow
Flameblow

Stop having DS lite and playing awful games

eGremlin
eGremlin

That game certainly killed my protective foil.
Then the bitch took the console with it, removing the foil made the screen start acting wonky.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

How did you know it was a DS lite?
Are they more prone to this?
And I don't really use it anymore, I use my 3DS XL for DS and 3DS games and a SP for advance and before.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Nah

Loads got destroyed by Kid Icarus

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Not only lite is more popular it has a fucking terrible build quality in general so i won't be surprised if the screen was easier to scratch, since i'm pretty sure i played at least one Ranger game without protective film and didn't get the screen scratched noticeably

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Yeah, I can agree on the build quality, I had to replace a shoulder button on it and the hinge is broken.

DeathDog
DeathDog

Build quality shouldn't affect it since it isn't Nintendo making the screens in the first place, right?
I'll admit it was a flimsy piece of shit but otherwise the improved size, weight, colors and lighting were too good to keep using the regular DS. Until it breaks.

Anyway, while Pokémon Ranger was rough, specially the first one, it's nothing compared to the stress Ouendan puts the screen through at higher difficulties. When it makes you hurry from point to pint, chase speeding balls and spin like you're a fucking machine, you end up hitting it harder, like a fucking peasant.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

It's that time of the story once again.
Arianna was told her role as a Lady of the Mark was just to select Fafnir and now she is sad for involving me in all of this.
And the options given to me by the game don't reflect how I want to react. Just telling her "Eh, I'm fine." is not enough.

When she comes to my room at night, troubled and scared about how I our relationship will change, I want to grab her hands and lead her to the bed.
Not for anything dirty - just to sit her down.

"I know you are worried", I want to say, "about me and what is happening to me. But you don't need to - no, really. Please listen.
Whatever is happening to me, I don't hate it.
It is strange, it is a bit scary - but I don't hate it.
I... was never really good at anything. Not a good fighter, not a good student, not popular.
Flavio is one of the only friends I have as I was never good at connecting with others.
I never excelled at anything and never had any idea what I want to do with my life.
But you... you changed that. If you know it or not, if you intended to or not - you changed it.
You gave me power... and a purpuse.
And have you seen my transformation? Bitch -
I'm fabulous."
Then I would transform and fly out of the window towards Armoroad, towards magic lolis and siegeweapon wielding chicks in bikinis.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

improved size, weight
I actually liked phat being bigger and heavier, it's more comfortable for me to hold, even disregarding the fact the screen doesn't fucking wobble as much.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

For touchscreen-heavy games you might be right but for everything else Lite improved my life tremendously, specially considering how many hours a day I could spend holding the damn thing.

Skullbone
Skullbone

i have ickle wickle babby hands

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

What really improved my life was getting a powerful enough PC to run EO in an emulator.
Drawing maps with a mouse is way more comfortable than with a stylus.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

It just occured to me but what if this happens when you have a one-man party? Afterall it wouldn't make sense for them to use those lines when there are several people.

Inmate
Inmate

Drawing maps with a mouse is way more comfortable than with a stylus.
literally wrong

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

What's the recommended level for fallen one and warped savior? I already killed all the other bosses

Nojokur
Nojokur

I outright can't play EO on pc, it's not the same

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

I don't think their lines are group sensitive.
When I just went to check with a single person on my finished safe file Quona asked "You are all... staying here, right?" and Abigail greeted me with "Hello, everyone." - both in voice lines.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

O fcourse, they aren't going to replace all their lines with that few variations. I was just thinking that if those lines can be triggered at all, I doubt it will happen when there's more than one person in the party.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

Should that be the case I wonder how they adress Beasts...

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

It's pretty funny you can make a party of beasts and it still works like a normal human party

takes2long
takes2long

The more I play EO3 the more flaws I see.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

I always thought that ""you"" in the games played the role of a nameless guy who wanted to start a guild and then managed all the finances or whatever but never went into the field themselves.

Like in each game bar untold story mode, the guildmaster/governing body is clearly talking to SOMEBODY before you even build a party.

w8t4u
w8t4u

By that logic that means the narrator exists.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

And immediately proceeds to say that you can register yourself in the guild if so you will. You can be any one member, or nobody at all. It doesn't really matter since from there on the guild will be refered to as a whole and there aren't any more singular "you"s.

WebTool
WebTool

That's true, forgot about that.

Not necessarily.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

They maxed out disguise and bluff.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

It's not dnd (thankfully)

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

My party leader is always my tank so in my first EO2U classic run it was my Beast.

Especially the Beast related quests with Marion were extremely strange.
"Hello, being that is clearly a bear. I need an animal for this. Does your guild have one of those around?"
"Oh, th-that is your animal? I-I see... It's not like I'm not good with them, baka!"

I just imagined my bear was wearing a top hat and a fake mustache and when he took both off everyone was incredibly surprised.

Firespawn
Firespawn

youtube.com/watch?v=FIXedqHyWNY

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

we'll never know how Marion will react to a Bushi

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

nobody remembers the Duke ever existed
Yggdrasil Core goes all nothing personnel on your party
POWERED BY TEARS
I WILL PROTECT YOU
Fafnir becomes a rocket just because
Was the ending of EO2U shit or what? At least that Kamen Rider Ultimate Form was kind of cool and it was funny to see that Gradriel was so out of touch with her town that not even Marion recognized her.

idontknow
idontknow

What did you expect from a remake of the worst game in the franchise?
Also royalty being barely known by peasants was quite a common thing in the past, lots of tales use that element

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

I'm not surprised by most of them but I am for Marion. She's in contact with nobility and is very familiar with Regina, but then she can't recognize Gradriel's face. Unless she's just that bad at identifying people

RavySnake
RavySnake

Don't forget the part where the Overlord more or less backstabs you to keep the ultimate power for himself yet doesn't seem to give a fuck when he's dying.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

Well, there is quite the difference between the grand daughter of a minister and the daughter of the duke.
Dubois had no trouble introducing Regina to us but he actively tried preventing Gradrial from meeting us - despite us having an actual princess with us ourselves.

askme
askme

Fafnir becomes a rocket just because
Should EO3U ever come out he will probably go on and on about how he can not control his power despite us never actually seeing him losing control.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

worst game in the franchise
Not when EO3 is a thing

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

lel

Supergrass
Supergrass

EO2 and EO3 fans reduced to petty infighting

hairygrape
hairygrape

one shitposting trying to force a meme
fight
Come one teach, we know you are better than that

likme
likme

dumb teachposter

Methnerd
Methnerd

Strange, isn't it.
I mean EOU exists, so why even fight?

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

How is a better game related to these?

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

a better game
EOU
jej

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

nice "bait" fag

w8t4u
w8t4u

He thinks EOU isn't the worst game, bar only EO1

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

Not when 2/2U and 3 exist

cum2soon
cum2soon

EO2U
ever worse than EOU
Eath shit Rickyposter

RavySnake
RavySnake

Don't lump me with people with like that.

TechHater
TechHater

2U
good
Look it's that meme again

takes2long
takes2long

yes, being lumped together with shit taste people like rickyposters hurts

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

classic clearly an afterthought
landsknecht needs no damage
survivalists, what even are they
being able to build one functioning party without story exclusive classes is clearly enough

I really see how much better it is.

5 story characters, only two even have something resembling personalities
did you know this all is set after an apocalypse - I tell you from the beginning because who likes twists
we are heroes so genocide is a-ok
no, magic magic machine from the past, we know better than you - we can defeat evil without genocide this time
ups, we can't defeat evil without genocide - now everyone dies
salad ex machina

Story mode is the best EO story telling ever was.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

veekyforums.com/thread/174083697/video-games
veekyforums.com/thread/174083697/video-games
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Skullbone
Skullbone

How am I supposed to know which game to buy after eo4 if you all say they're all shitty tho...

TechHater
TechHater

grimoires

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

ignore shitposters. in the 3ds they all have demos (except EMD, but that's a spinoff)

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

did you know this all is set after an apocalypse - I tell you from the beginning because who likes twists
Are people sitll assblasted about this?

Evilember
Evilember

complaining about balance when 2 is absolute broken mess and in 3 2/3 of classes are garbage
muh power-hungry mad scientist
muh space aliens
this meme again

Emberfire
Emberfire

Are the ds games any good? My birthday is coming up so it'd give me something to add on the list because I got nothing (I played Pokemon mystery dungeon so I think I get the gist of emd..?)

Skullbone
Skullbone

Just get a flashcart.

King_Martha
King_Martha

The only slightly playable game is EO3. The other two are broken messes that feel like they were made 30 years ago.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

mandatory cookie cutter game
playable

RavySnake
RavySnake

eo3 hater can't read

Pottery.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

both of you need to kill yourself.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

mandatory
You are outright lying here

TreeEater
TreeEater

being this bad