Holy shit Veeky Forums I just realized why Europeans are so insufferable on all car forums: they can't afford to buy anything! A friend is moving to the Netherlands for work in a few months and I was helping him find cars. A piece of shit Golf TDI (diesel) costs the equivalent of $40,000 or more there! The Netherlands shares a fucking border with Germany. Do these European governments just tax the shit out of car purchases to encourage public transport use? I mean WTF, it's not like the cost of living and salaries scale with the car prices either. Europeans just don't buy these cars and just don't care I guess.
There isn't a "Dutch bicycle culture", these poor saps just can't afford cars. I mean the US has some stupid car regulations but nothing even close to this bad. I wonder if the yuropoors realize that in the US, you can buy a brand new 460hp Camaro with options for what a Golf diesel costs in the Netherlands...
That's holland for you. Taxes on everything. Meanwhile, I saw a car for sale the other day for £300. You can't even get a non-running car for that in America.
Elijah Davis
Dont worry, in 15 years they will be majority Islamic and will be blown away from history
Carson James
They have better trannies though, don't they?
Blake Howard
Tfw cheapest used car market in the world in the UK
good condition cars for 500£
Ryder Perez
Now insure it.
Jeremiah White
Another 500 for a year
Kayden Nelson
>There isn't a "Dutch bicycle culture", these poor saps just can't afford cars.
No, the reason they have a bicycle culture is because the country is tiny as dickshit, flatter then a 11 year old girl, most people work in the town they live in and public transport is amazing at connecting everything to anything. There's supermarket's and bakery's everywhere.
Also Bike-friendly infrastructure, cycling path's everywhere combined with bike-friendly public policy, planning and laws means biking is safe and fast, therefore people get on a bike when they are young, which means they are great bikers by the time they can drive a car if they want to which leads to less drivers since they already have their bike and drivers who are more considerate to bikers.
There's hardly a need for a car.
Caleb Gonzalez
I routinely buy running and driving cars from free to $500.
David Moore
Subaru BRZ is 48000$ here in Finland.
Landon Peterson
Not him but i ran a bunch of vaguely interesting cars through an insurance comparison recently >cayman S: £650 >S2000: £680 >monaro 5.7: £750 >E90 M3: £1000 Makes me wonder why I bother paying £650 to insure my MX-5 when i could get something more interesting
Landon Torres
This is the the truth. After paying my cuck-tax and spending a bloody fortune on petrol driving my wife to Muhammad's flat, I do not have enough money to buy a good car. At least I have taxpayer-funded healthcare to treat the syphilis I contract from my wife (via Muhammad)!
Blake Reed
>You can't even get a non-running car for that in America.
>American muscle cars cost more than BMW M cars in europoor that explains a lot
David Long
Free data roaming in the EU m8 Also my EHIC card is still valid
Jonathan Moore
$25000 of that is to pay for your medical expenses when some gopnik with no insurance blows through a stop light in his 80s bmw and totals your car
Jose Fisher
That's because a Golf isn't a cheap car anymore in NL, it's acquired a status with everyone who was a boyracer in the 90's, thus the people who now make decent money. Seats are considered sportier versions of VWs and are expensive too. If you want a VAG then you should go to Skoda, you'll get a stationwagon Fabia with nearly every option for the price of a stock VW Polo hatch. But nobody buys a brand new car, only company leased cars are new. Get an occasion, the average car here is over 10 years old.
Jackson Lewis
Yeah driving a car here is FUCKED. The loophole was to ride a motorcycle but the government quickly caught up to also meme us out of existence.
Samuel Bell
Only loophole left is get a van/truck that fits EU pallets and can run on LPG. Alternatively, you can get a 25 year gasoline car and have reduced taxes or get a 45 year old car and pay no taxes.
Jackson Martin
I saw a goddamn datsun 280z today on the road. Nearly came in my pants. Why dont classics have to pay taxes anyway?
Joshua Howard
Only a comnplete retard would buy a diesel in the netherlands.
Ian Carter
Exemption to prevent classics from being exported/salvaged because their fuel consumption and emission tax would make them unaffordable. Most people wouldn't dd them, so their effect on total emissions would be minimal anyway. At least they appreciate classic car culture. It used to be more forgiving a few years ago, any car that was 25 years old would have to pay no taxes. But that law was from when a 25y old would be an absolute shitty rustbucket. LPG cars have low fuel per litre costs, but that's offset by high taxes. A 25y old lpg car would be practically free to drive back then.
Dominic Peterson
This is what the left wants the US to be like.
Chase Carter
This, just get gasoline or lpg depending on how many km you're going to drive. Ignore all diesels, those are cheap when you live in Germany
Tyler Reyes
Remind the left that mandatory health care insurance in NL was introduced by Hitler. Before that we were pretty right-wing, we sold coke to both UK and Germany in WW1 and nobody gave a shit about them drugging their soldiers or that we enslaved Indonesia to produce said coke.
being this brainwashed in favor of having to own a car, go live in boston NYC or DC
Asher Morris
And i tought italy was bad .. The prices are fine , but the tax on owning the car is insane , for my bmw 130i with 265 hp i pay 700 euros every year , plus i would have to pay another 120 euro cause i have more than 250hp . Now since the car is 10 yrs old i have reduction othrrwhise it s 20 euro for each HP above 250 . So for a civic type r i think around 1500 euro overall , meanwhile the fagggot with a panamera diesel pays less .
Mason Perry
I can find running cars for less than 200$ daily for the rest of my life. How fucking retarded are you?
Joseph Gray
...a ton of people own cars in all those cities or they live just outside the city and commute
Luke White
But in Canada we get car and all the yuropoor socialist crap.
Gavin Brown
Would that £300 car pass your cucked as fuck emissions and safety inspections? I don't fucking think so, That's why their so cheap. Somebody should post that story of the guy who would up getting his car crushed for installing the wrong horn button. I've heard of cars failing inspections from a tiny rust spot in Europe.
Leo Allen
>be chummy with local mechanic >total shitbox passes every inspection
Austin Evans
>bikes in holland are like guns in the US o i get it
Lincoln Phillips
>get caught by the bobbies or whatfuckingever >car gets crushed >insurance goes from $15k a year to $25k a year >forced to ride the bus for the rest of your life
Yeah, Real free.
Isaiah Evans
>car gets crushed He's not an American with a skyline or range Rover
Gavin Hall
Canada has public health insurance and we don't pay anything like that for a BRZ
Benjamin Barnes
Yes, you can get a banged up, but working 90's volvo for €700. Getting a small shitbox is easy for €300 and if a car was sold here, it will always be allowed in it's stock configuration as long as it runs well.
Justin Martin
This, getting around within a city during rush hour is faster on a bicycle. If I want to get to the city centre, it takes 15 min by bike, 30 min by bus, 10 min in a car normally and 20 min during rush hour. Around 3:15 should also be considered rush hour in cities here since at that time you have moms al over the place trying to get their kid from school as fast as possible (all casualities accepted it seems)
Brandon Gonzalez
when i used to live in London i tried insuring a 1999 BMW 328 coupe The cheapest insurance quote I got was around £15.000 gbp per year - 18 years old, no accidents 15k for a car I bought for fucking £580. Moved out of the UK, now paying roughly 240£ per year for my 2005 E60 535d (mapped to ~350hp)
Ian Watson
they choose to own cars
they don't have to own cars
the guy I was responding to is a total class cuck who enjoys having to have the expenses of a car, like most of the US
Nathaniel Brooks
Public transport is also shit, it was privatized years ago, now a single leaf on the railroad is reason the cut the schedule in half. When it snows, they start shitting themselves completely. As we always say here, in Hitler's time at least the trains were always on time. (Though fuck the gerries for stealing our grandfather's bicycle when they went home) That plus it costs so much it that you can spend less on a car than on train/bus tickets depending on the distance and route.
Liam Gray
>£300 >12 months mot
try again
Robert Rogers
>who enjoys having to have the expenses of a car, like most of the US
>posts on Veeky Forums >is disgusted by the thought of having a car
ok
Christopher Clark
>Would that £300 car pass your cucked as fuck emissions and safety inspections? Thats funny because USA has more strict emission standards than the EU, that's why VW got nailed there, here even with the cheating they are to spec, unlike in USA
Jack Phillips
>Spain >Got cars from 500€ up >you can insure them for 200-400€ depending of the coverage level (i'm paying 340€ for a 05 corolla, i bought for 4000€).
Just for your information, dutch taxes or uk insurance prices are not the average in the rest of the EU...
Brody Robinson
It only needs to pass the laws that were in place when the car was first sold. For example, the old golf 2 diesel in my barn doesn't need a catalyst to pass but a newer car will probably be rejected if it's broken or missing.
Levi Murphy
The US are nazis on production cars and hillbillys on private cars. Half the population can buy a new car and rip the emissions equipment straight out without ever seeing another emissions check. Of course only few will actually do, but the message this sends is a pretty stupid one.
Jaxson Gutierrez
>15k for a car I bought for fucking £580. Morons keep repeating this argument but it doesn't become any more valid. 18 year olds don't pay ten times their car's value for liability insurance to replace their own car (which isn't even covered by liability), but (AS THE FUCKING NAME SAYS) to cover damage that 18 year olds do to other cars, and 18 year olds do a lot of damage.
Brandon Parker
>I wonder if the yuropoors realize that in the US, you can buy a brand new 460hp Camaro with options for what a Golf diesel costs in the Netherlands... I wonder if the Amerifats realize that a third of them and rising are obese bastards.
Parker Powell
Bizarrely, used car prices are right in line with the rest of the world. It's just new car buyers that get shafted (120k for a Mustang GT, lol). Also some of the highest gas prices in the entire world. This country just hates cars, really.
Zachary Edwards
It's not like they have a choice, the entire country would turn into a single suburb with permanent gridlock if the Dutch lived like the Americans. Literally the entirety of the American lifestyle is founded on having brought so much uninhabited land under their control, and the country would turn into a smoggy, polluted, loud hellhole if for some reason it were as densely populated as western Europe one morning.
Kayden Roberts
>Well Americans are fatter on average so it doesn't matter What a contribution to the conversation
Nolan Hall
Which is not only directly linked to their habit of driving everywhere instead of doing any sort of bodily movement, but may possibly also have such enormous impact on their healthcare costs that it offsets all savings from their artificially cheap motoring lifestyle.
Logan Ross
Cool story, but being fat is a choice. I can choose to be fat but I can't choose the Msrp on a v8 Camaro.
Jayden White
Buying a car is a choice, especially in a densely populated country with great public infrastructure. No one's holding a gun to your head and telling you to buy a Camaro.
Anthony Brown
You missed the point entirely. You basically said it doesn't matter that high performance vehicles can be cheaply purchased in America because Americans are fat, then said "well I don't have to buy one". America is better when it comes to purchasing a v8 muscle/pony car. This is objective truth.
Jackson Smith
And Europe is better when it comes to personal and overall health and therefore public costs. I didn't say that cheap cars don't matter because Americans are fat, what I said was that Americans are fat because cars are cheap.
Nathan King
>Americans are fat because cars are cheap Well that's enough internet for me today.
Easton Clark
How else are we going to fund all the diversity enthusiasts?
Joshua Martinez
>62.8%
Robert Green
Whats the context, nigga?
Adam Jones
Isn't Spain broke and being financially kept afloat by the rest of Europe?
Benjamin James
Percentage non-hispanic white population in the USA.
Elijah Torres
Just to chip in, is anyone really surprised that cars that are popular and prominent in US car culture, and are produced in the US, are cheaper in the US? Compare it to Mercedes for example, which seems to have more of a luxury car status in the US, while in most EU countries you see mercs all the time.
Jeremiah Nelson
Some states are whiter than others.
Colton Reed
>food costs nothing in the US >can buy American V8 rockets for next to nothing >eat anything to your heart's content and do donuts in your front yard
show me the downside
Benjamin Barnes
>the country would turn into a smoggy, polluted, loud hellhole
Wow the government is really effective at brainwashing Europeans
Gavin Richardson
Violent nig-... oh wait.
Ryan Harris
lol this is a load of bullshit, every town has like 5-6 gyms and there's tons of options for sport and recreation everywhere you look in the US. Driving to work isn't making people fat
Wyatt Ramirez
>get shot by tyrone >medical insurance goes from $15k to $25k a year >forced to ride his big black sausage for the rest of your life
Brody Jones
Your population density is 6.5 TIMES lower than my country's, and your air and rivers are already dirtier than ours, and this is a scientific fact backed up by empirical measures, not my opinion.
Honestly you're absolutely fucking garbage at taking care of where you live, and this is my opinion.
Jayden Rodriguez
>Europe is better
lel stopped reading there
Juan Nguyen
No, but stuffing themselves with corn syrup and also driving EVERYWHERE does.
Joseph Adams
This is the sign a yuropeon has been cornered in a debate
>C-class in the Netherlands costs more than a Bentley in the US
good point
Nathan Parker
>muh Netherlands Stop shilling your fucking misery, you cuntbag. Your shithole is the exception, not the rule. Move already, you whiny fuck.
Bentley Russell
>your air and rivers are already dirtier than ours,
yea that one piece of shit creek you have is a really doozy
Let me know when you worthless country gets a river like the Missouri river, Mississippi, Yukon, Rio Grande, Colorado etc
Dominic Rogers
In what way? People can eat less if they want to. They choose not to.
Dominic Cox
Never been to Netherlands. You've probably won this argument if we're still talking about the NL specifically. I was basing my post more on my own experiences.and I live in northern Europe. Here mercs are probably as abundant in your daily life as muscle cars are in the US. Another thing, which I mentioned in my first post, is that people here aren't generally very interested in American cars. My parents live in an area where you can see porsches and such daily, but only a handful of people there own a muscle car. Those people all own some older cars. Only once have I seen a post 80s American muscle there.
Dominic Rivera
Sure feels nice to be post-brexit Aside from all the terror attacks we keep getting
Americans have their own people kill each other, we have to import the murderers...
Dylan Miller
Well this thread started by mentioning the cost of a VW Golf, which should be cheap everywhere
Carson Morales
Golf is certified boyracer car in west-Europe, so it's unnecessarily expensive. Get a Skoda if you want VAG. You can get a Octavia (Passat) for the price of a Golf.
Juan Johnson
The octavia is built on the same platform as the golf and also costs just as much. It's literally a golf sedan and not a rebadged passat.
Dylan Anderson
>thinking the Brexit will somehow magically change anything about the British car taxes, insurance system or fuel prices
Jaxon Cruz
It's as big as a Passat though, for the price of a Golf.
Jose Reed
Not really. The interior space is p similar to the golf (variant) and so is the wheelbase.
Landon Lewis
That's weird, I could've sworn it was Passat sized.
Camden Sanders
Correct OP, have you seen how much houses cost here?
We don't have as much free money to spend on cars like burgers.
Isaiah Powell
>tfw cars are more expensive in europe >tfw europeans make a wage you can live on
enjoy your $2.30 serving job.
Angel Flores
>tfw europeans make a wage you can live on I wish that was so mate. The high cost of the social safety net makes taxes very very high here.
We do our own thing, but car ownership is not something we excel at.
Jason Robinson
I live comfortably in the US on a wage that is considered a bit over poverty level (grad student). Insurance costs are high-ish but everything else is cheap