>Now what? Do the Tutorial then the Career Agent missions; they give you ISK, ships, skillbooks and teach you basics. Talk to players and try to find a corp. The game is only as boring as you are. No, really. Find a corp. You don't want to be that guy.
Past: >March 14: "improved" Probe/Dscan, Fighter, HIC and Rorq changes >Nov 15: Alpha clones, Engineering Complexes, reworked boosters >Aug 09: Citadel contracts, dmg/rep visuals, cargo notifications >Foozie makes a bunch of stupid pointless changes, nobody likes Reyni (don't ever remove this from the OP, because it is always true)
>tfw you were seconds away from creating the new thread
Julian Lee
Friendly reminder to double check your contracts before posting them.
Evan Young
THANKS /DOG/
Xavier Cruz
I wish I could grab suckers this idiotic.
Brandon Reed
Totally not RMT :^)))
Adam Gonzalez
>availability: public If it was it was really risky.
Leo Diaz
Why do people automatically associate nano cruisers with autism? I have a vast collection of cruisers, mostly phantasms and cynabals which seem to be the main issues, and I don't understand how this makes me autistic. I'm a virgin, yes, but nano cruisers actually make me MORE likely to get laid. I have had countless conversations with cute, cute girls in my classes about the dank frags I make. I have been able to speak to women for the first time because they want to know about my solo killboard, or my latest feathering tactics.
Mason Evans
>farmed by horde Is that even possible? How?
Isaac Mitchell
Get all your moons taken and stations put into timers.
Jaxon Cruz
What if CCP created one-way wormholes that you can't return through?
So you jump through, but you can't come back and you are forced to find another exit? It could work at different sizes as well, so cruisers might be able to go back through, but battleships would be stuck. Or capitals would get stuck but subcaps can go either way.
Alexander Ramirez
#YOLO
Joseph Gomez
you're a stupid, stinky nigger
Gavin Nelson
Like this
Jaxon Price
Whatever happened to spaceship samurai? I remember they were blue to horde at one point
Nathan Howard
>Suddenly Spaceships.
Jayden Brown
They were and still are. Concordiat disbanded and Spaceship Samurai got swallowed into Horde
Ryder Scott
reposting
send 500m isk and see what happens ;))
Jaxon Miller
THIGGER!
Chase Edwards
Suddenly Spaceless
Caleb Diaz
But what if they were roaming connections? So you could potentially seed a capital in a C1, but it would be trapped there until there's another roaming connection to get you out, and that might put you in an even worse hole.
Benjamin Richardson
literally why would you ever seed a capital in a C1. if you're about to say "to evict someone!" consider the fact that nobody gives the slightest shit about C1's in the first place
Jaxson Collins
It was simply an example. You could just as well do it in a c3 or a c4. Point being, it's trapped until another roaming connection shows up.
Kayden Gonzalez
Hol up
What if you could phase structures into other systems. So you build a special structure that is smaller and easier to siege than a citadel, but can still be used as a base of operations. Then when it's done you can activate a module and deep strike an enemy (or friendly) system. This would allow for rapid deployment and sieging.
No capitals would be allowed inside the structure, or be allowed to tether to it. You can't have people docked in the structure as it is deep striking as it would take like a day for it to finish phasing in, or 12 hours/whatever is balanced.
This would allow for more aggressive play and for better sieges where you can just bring your ammo and everything with you. Alternatively it could be a separate ship class that cynos in but allows other players to dock.
Brandon Turner
>moving a fleet into enemy system just like any other method only now you can play station games Sounds like dogshit
If I want a good mix of null nano roaming and wormhole brawling am I better off joining a c2 corp with c5/ns statics or just a c5 corp? I quite like how capitals are more like flagships in wh space than in k-space so I'm leaning towards joining a c5 corp as I'm training for capitals right now but I don't really know.
Luis Ramirez
the only flagship are t3 blobs
Ayden Gomez
>nano
David Nelson
Yeah but there might be a fax or a dread in there too. It's not like k-space where they'll just drop 50 carriers on you, the capital you bring is important (at least I assume it is)
Elijah Martin
Bellicose Navy Issue when
Sebastian Sanchez
New Bellicose model when?
Grayson Carter
>still no bellicose victory skin
Wyatt White
>bellicose anything ever edition ever
Nathan Hughes
>nano bellicose
Lucas Fisher
t. tp iv
Brayden Cruz
bellicose? more like smellicose
William Ward
Bellicose fleet Issue
4H/5M/4L 2 launchers 75m3 Dronebay 50Mb bandwith
Role bonus: +50% To stasis webifier optimal range +100% Bonuse to heavy and heavy assault missile damage
Minmatar cruiser bonuses: +5% To heavy and heavy assault missile launcher rate of fire +10% to heavy and heavy assault missile explosion velocity
Tyler Richardson
one bonus too many, too much drone cancer, and not enough lows
Ethan Scott
Low slot module with bonus to webs when?
Jordan Thomas
webs nerfed down to not being the best module in the game when?
Robert Flores
>4 effective launchers >25% to rate of fire this thing will literally do dick damage
>50% to web range >15km T2 web wow its fucking nothing
This ship should abandon what it was originally designed as.
This thing will easily get beat by the sythe fleet issue and omen navy issue. It brings nothing of value to the table
Angel Rodriguez
t. kiter
Kayden Collins
It should have a target painter bonus.
Elijah Martinez
15km web is actually very strong, you're just used to only ever flying with gamebreaking faggot cancer with +999% per level
t. retard, try killing kiters when you're webbed from 50km
James Powell
Just fly a Huginn
Elijah Ortiz
haha he said target painter so funny meem x_D
what kiting ship has 50k webs
Aaron Young
>15km web is actually very strong, Not really, I'm not going to brawl with this shit
the SFI is better because that thing gets the same number of launchers and guns
Ethan Kelly
>not Rapier
Josiah Brown
>I'm not going to brawl with this shit
kys then. it should be like the vigil fleet issue - specifically only given bonuses to short range weapons, and made to remove kite cancer
Alexander Baker
>missing the point of support cruiser this hard
Adrian Bailey
>15km web is actually very strong yea for brawlers trying to ruin a scam kite. This set up can't do shit against 20+km kiters. The missile damage is shit with only 4 effective launchers. its literally an SFI except the SFI doesn't get a garbage role bonus to a system it won't use.
this is how you respond? bring up a valid point and its all "kys"
This thing won't be able to kill kiters at all. The same way the vigil fleet issue can't. Its range with those rockets is WAY too short, its webs go beyond any range it can even hit and its web range isn't long enough to even stop the kiters that can rip it to bits anyway.
I'll stay with my ONI and SFI
Luke Gonzalez
>This set up can't do shit against 20+km kiters
you use piloting skill to get them within web range, which is made easier by the web range being longer
>The missile damage is shit with only 4 effective launchers
yes, the guy who made up the numbers probably got it wrong
>The same way the vigil fleet issue can't
kys please. a vigil fleet issue completely deletes kitey faggot shit. you do admittedly have to actually fly the ship, rather than press approach, so it might be too hard for some people unlike flying a rapier
>its webs go beyond any range it can even hit
this makes no sense. do you think blaster ships should only get a 2km scram because they can't hit past 2km?
Jace Collins
Usually the navy version of a cruiser goes outside of the original role of the cruiser its based on. The Osprey Navy issue is an amazingly fast kiter where the regular osprey is a slow logi cruiser.
>you use piloting skill to get them within web range, No this is not an excuse. Theres no fucking way you're gonna catch my SFI or ONI at all ever. 15km webs with 19.5km over heated is garbage
for the 80m this ship is gonna cost after fitting I'd literally want to fly any other navy cruiser.
>yes the guy who made up the numbers probably got it wrong
I guess CCP fucked up the vigil fleet issue too because that thing does garbage damage.
>vigil fleet issue deletes kiters except rail comets, beam slicers, and LML condors right? all those kiter ships it can't do fuck all about? please tell me how your 12km rockets with 15km webs and 2 dinky drones is gonna do shit about a slicer or comet that project way farther and fly way faster than your bitch ass.
Brody Smith
>the vigil fleet issue deletes kiters
Lincoln Rivera
>Theres no fucking way you're gonna catch my SFI or ONI at all ever
you don't know how fast it would go retard
>I guess CCP fucked up the vigil fleet issue too because that thing does garbage damage.
no, you fucked up and have never flown it or even looked at it you retarded aspie. its damage is just fine, about the same as a hookbill
>except rail comets, beam slicers, and LML condors right?
it would happily rape any of those. lol at the condor mate, please kill yourself you're so retarded
Hunter Foster
>condor
Gavin Rogers
I'm taking your dog picture. please don't post it again until you're good at eve
Christopher Reed
>you don't know how fast it would go retard I know that if I get within 20km of anything with an SFI or ONI I'm dead so my entire method is to keep 20+ on literally everything. Your webs won't do shit purely because they can't touch me ever.
>you've never flown it yea because I need to fly the stupid piece of shit to know its a piece of shit right? 10km rockets and 15km web wow so great at catching slicers at 20km.
it does a whole 110 dps on rockets wow woopty fucking do oh man and it gets 3 unbonused drones, just like the comet! who cares!
A Bellicose fleet issue best be like the SFI in it being fast, focused solely on missiles and shit because this thing is garbage.
it needs 5 effective launchers, the rate of fire bonus, instead of a useless web bonus, do a TP bonus instead which will greatly benefit missiles at 20+km. Then give it a solid 20% to flight time on HAM's so the HAM's get out to beyond the generic 30km that every other missile ship has. 40km HAMs would be a great selling point and give it a distinct advantage over the SFI's traditional RLML's with no flight bonus.
You then keep the same drone layout and give it enough base speed and agility to compete with an ONI that typically operates at 40-50km. Osprey navy issue the same. 3 highs, 2 for launchers, 250% damage bonus with 25% to rate of fire, 10% to TP effectiveness. 6 mids, 4 lows. thats the same number of slots as the bellicose.
Also its a minmatar ship, give it 90 sig, the ONI has 100 sig now it has a good advantage over the ONI. Slightly lower range, better sig
Forget the web bonus its not going to use. none of these navy ships are brawlers at all and 15km isn't enough to ever catch cruisers on the cruiser range level
>happily rape wow yea tell me how you're gonna catch a slicer at 30km with your vigil webs at 15 and rockets at
Ryder Miller
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Evan Lee
>Your webs won't do shit purely because they can't touch me ever
do you think such a ship wouldn't be able to move?
>10km rockets and 15km web wow so great at catching slicers at 20km
people catch slicers without a web bonus, and you thinking the range on rockets has any relevance at all here shows how kys retarded you are. damage mitigation and range control right, the way it works is I orbit you as close and fast as possible. rockets have more range than you need for this
>idea for yet another faggy kite ship.txt
nah that shit's gay. you've got plenty of those already
>none of these navy ships are brawlers at all
please stop saying stupid shit I can't keep up
>wow yea tell me how you're gonna catch a slicer
I slingshot it. pretty fucking trivial with a 19km web, even though you believe my 10km rocket range makes it harder somehow because you've got brain damage
Cameron Murphy
>people catch slicers without a web bonus yea bad slicer pilots. Ones who DONT stay 20km away
Daniel King
if you are firmly of the opinion that no kiting ship ever dies, then I'm not going to talk to you because you're really dumb
Samuel Richardson
>stop saying stupid shit >its stupid to point out the fact that NONE of the navy cruisers are brawlers at all
>I slingshot slingshots only work on people who hit orbit, they don't ever work on people who manual pilot which if you're flying a slicer you better fucking do that or you're one of those retards you claim to catch
No one said that you dumb faggot
Brody Powell
>its stupid to point out the fact that NONE of the navy cruisers are brawlers at all
here's a list of navy cruisers that do not have range bonuses:
scythe fleet issue stabber fleet issue vexor navy issue exequror navy issue augoror navy issue caracal navy issue
please die
>manual piloting
good for you, aren't you elite. what you need to do to win this fight is keep your target within 19 and 28km at all times, and this ship is about the same speed as you. you can't do it, you'll die, or you'll just play super defensively and burn away to stupid range and he'll warp out
Dominic Barnes
>if they don't have range bonuses that means they're brawlers
you're fucking stupid.
Show me ONE SFI km with any type of brawling set up. I'll wait.
>you need a range bonus to kite >you can't possibly kite if your already long range weapons like beams or rails don't have a bonus
Logan Martinez
>what you need to do to win this fight is keep your target within 19 and 28km at all times Oh man isn't that funny, thats like just outside the garbage web range
Andrew Taylor
>Show me ONE SFI km with any type of brawling set up. I'll wait.
I don't know which SFI you're talking about, but they're both almost exclusively used for brawling. I'm not even going to check zkill, the stabber doesn't really fit artillery well, and the scythe likes to do control brawling fits or xlasb memes
>you need a range bonus to kite
so enlighten me, explain what makes these ships "not brawlers". what's to stop me from making short range fits on any of them?
Hudson Lopez
>sythe fleet issue >used for brawling
Christian Nguyen
>both are used for brawling
Colton Perry
dual rep stabber fleet is alright >brawling scythe fleet now that's an xd
Ryan Watson
>what's to stop me from making short range fits on any of them? your wallet and your PTSD you'll get from how red your KB will be
Eli Morris
I forgot to ask, but could you please relate your replies somehow to what we're actually talking about, the vigil fleet issue. maybe share your experiences flying it
Nicholas Roberts
the vigil fleet issue is garbage.
110 dps
Josiah Clark
>110 dps
I'm surprised a "good" pvper like you would forget your dronebay. and did you fuck up and use the wrong missiles as well?
>15km web thats pretty much too short to catch anything 20km+
you can overheat the web for more range. you have no chance of staying out of 19km web range when your meme slicer is basically only the same speed as the vfi
William Reed
oh yea and it only gets bonuses towards rockets so no LML's even if you could fit them
John Long
I shoot your unbonused drones that will die in one cycle of my beams.
>you can overheat the web 19.5 still too short to catch anything 20km+
>you have no chance of staying out of 19km yea I do? my overheated Warp Distruptor gets 28km?
>your meme slicer is the same speed good luck fitting a mwd without gimping your fit
my slicer does 3800 cold and gets out to 25km with pulses w/ scorch. Beams even farther.
Unless you're gonna sacrifice 2 lows for 2 nanofibers you can't catch me
Matthew Green
>letme brawl with my awesome dual180mm
Kevin Morgan
>good luck fitting a mwd without gimping your fit
what? lmao, did you unironically think I was talking about fits without mwd this whole time
>Unless you're gonna sacrifice 2 lows for 2 nanofibers you can't catch me
if you think very slightly higher speed means you can't be caught, then you are just larping as a pvper and confirmed never undock
Owen Cox
>15km web thats pretty much too short to catch anything 20km+ >pretty much >which means no propensity to do damage to kiters >propensity you really have a way with words. by a "way with words" i mean "mental retardation."
you're a fucking idiot.
Cameron Phillips
>15k web is bad Wow these people are fucking stupid
Parker Walker
>what? lmao, did you unironically think I was talking about fits without mwd this whole time I know you can't run a MWD without either gimping your medium shield extender to a meta or sacrificing a lowslot for a PG mod.
>very slightly its 300-400 m/s its pretty significant
also my agility is about 30% better than yours so good luck catching me.
Your best bet is to fuck the vigil and get a firetail. The firetail is actually fast enough, can fit real long range weapons like artillery and can actually haze a slicer
Christian Harris
An afterburner tormentor would win against a vigil fleet issue
why?
ok your vigil is gonna web me from 15? great, now what? you'll have to get within 10km to use rockets. Good luck doing that because I'll web back and just beam your ass to next week.
your 3 unbonused drones? great I'll use my drones to just shoot yours, also I get an extra drone.
Just fly a firetail its better in every way
Nolan Fisher
>all these people who have no fucking clue how to fit ships properly
Asher Butler
>/dog/ in charge of EVE
Julian Jackson
please stop trying to make fits, you don't know anything. I run an armour fit, but if you want to run a mse shield fit it does not require any fitting mods. this ship has very good fitting unlike the hookbill. has cpu for double ballistic and everything, which is rare on a frigate
>its 300-400 m/s its pretty significant
assuming you've copy pasted the double nano scrub fit, you go 3786. my fit goes 3689 with 1 poly. what these fights come down to largely, as well as slingshotting, is overheat timing. you have to react to me overheating my mwd, or you will get caught. normally you would have until I get to 13km, but with a 19km web you have no time, you will be webbed, and then shortly after you will be scrammed, your lasers stop hitting and you eat shit
>The firetail is actually fast enough, can fit real long range weapons like artillery and can actually haze a slicer
so your counter to a kiting ship is to get a really gimpy kiting ship and press approach with it
