Pretty much all Jewish people have German names. Yiddish is literally German with the Hebrew alphabet.
From like 1800 to the Holocaust it seems like a ton of important Germans were Jewish. There were less Jews in Germany than there are in America, but we have Marx and Freud and Einstein and Fritz Lang and Walter Benjamin and Walter Rathenau and Mahler and Mendelson totally stealing the show.
Why were Jews so important in Germany despite small numbers? Reading Ulysses suggests everybody associated Germans and Jews with each other, and the Dreyfuss Affair suggests that just being Jewish meant Dreyfuss was believed to have German sympathies.
they couldn't own land they had some protection in the hre after huge massacres during the crusade times due to the jobs they were allowed to do they became a part of the urbanized merchant class so they were affected by developing ideas relatively fast and had connects in business and social circles just because of the jobs they were allowed to do such as usury
Camden Rogers
The majority of Ashkenazim lived in the Austria-Hungary region when surnames became commonplace, which is why Yiddish surnames are most often Germanic. They migrated East as conditions became less hospitable for Jews in Western Europe.
As far as the Jews in Germany proper, they became quite segregated from the Eastern European majority. The Easterners stereotyped them as pretentious and unfriendly, while the German Jews considered the Easterners superstitious boors with no class.
Jews in Western Europe tended to be much better educated than the working class ones who came from the East, particularly in England and Germany.
> the Dreyfuss Affair suggests that just being Jewish meant Dreyfuss was believed to have German sympathies.
That actually had more to do with Dreyfus being from Alsace. Dreyfus' Jewishness made him a target for accusations of espionage, but officers in his position were chosen for their knowledge of German language and culture. Alsace-Lorraine was annexed by Germany at the time Dreyfus moved to Paris, and it was only after that that he enlisted with the military.
Ayden Jones
The urban part is what's really relevant. Jews were 5-10% of the Berlin population before the war, even if they were only about 1% of the total German population.
Most Germans still lived rural lives in the early 20th century, insulated from cosmopolitan turbulence.
Jeremiah Roberts
Citizenship was restricted to Christian natives in the >H>R>E which was why Jews didn't have much power at the time.
The Napoleonic era abolished this system, which gave Jews only slightly less rights compared to Christian citizens. In fact, France was the first country to pass laws emancipating Jews, followed by German territories over a decade later--Prussia twenty years later, and "Germany" proper not until 1871, long after Greece, Italy, Sweden, and Belgium had passed such laws.
Zachary Morgan
>Yiddish is literally German with the Hebrew alphabet.
Surprise! Most people think Hebrew is some ancient language or something lol, no one knows it was made in the 19th century, as opposed to the ancient yiddish which sounds much different
Daniel Carter
No, modern hebrew is from the 19th century. The torah is in hebrew.
Brody Wright
>There were less Jews in Germany than there are in America Jews still only = 2% of the American population, not particularly higher than the 1% in Germany assuming has the numbers right. And I would be surprised if Jews were any more overrepresented in Germany than they are in America now. I think it merely appears that way because thinkers have had less importance since the 60s. We have pundits instead of philosophers now.
Jose Fisher
>ancient yiddish Middle Ages isn't ancient user.
Carson Turner
Also the 5-10% figure in pre-war Berlin is much the same as the percent in New York (8%)
Lucas Morris
>France was the first country to pass laws emancipating Jews, followed by German territories over a decade later And they now have the most Jews outside of Burgerland and Israel. Apparently Napoleon wanted the shekels: jewornotjew.com/profile.jsp?ID=651
Cameron Evans
>better than the Germans
Prussia at least adopted a similarly pragmatic attitude toward the Jews.
Also > his practical yet prejudiced attitude towards Jews was similar to his father's So this must have been the attitude for some time.
Ethan Wright
Berlin was far more important nationally than New York, being equivalent to New York and Washington and Los Angeles all as one city.
Jackson Jenkins
France brought liberal reforms to the Rhineland under Napoleon, overturning the old religious hierarchy and extending full citizenship rights and privileges to Jews. These laws were reversed after Napoleon's defeat.
This actually has hugely important policy implications. A young man named Herschel Marx was now able to practice law despite his Jewish faith. By 1818, the law had changed such that only Protestants could be lawyers. As such, Herschel converted to Lutheranism. His son Karl Marx was raised in the faith, well aware that a more liberated future based on the ideals of the French revolution was within grasp.
Angel Hernandez
>still haven't seen /pol/ shit yet Impressive
Jack Barnes
>website called jewornotjew
William Peterson
It's run by Jews though
Josiah Taylor
We're here.
David King
because they won the war m8, Napoleon was right all along. Imagine if the Nazis won. All Jew names would be replaced with prominent Nazis and Italians
Matthew Perry
>Most people think Hebrew is some ancient language or something lol, no one knows it was made in the 19th century, as opposed to the ancient yiddish which sounds much different
>Hebrew >Made in the 19th century
>Ancient yiddish I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt and say you typed the both of those flip flop by mistake
Hebrew is the language of Israel. It is a language of semetic origins. It has much more in common with Arabic than it does with any European language
Yiddish is bacically just german. If you are fluent in one, you are fluent in the other. Yiddish has a handful of Semetic loanwords and phrases borrow from the hebrew language but not enough to render it unintelligible to a german speaker
Lincoln Bennett
>His son Karl Marx was raised in the faith, well aware that a more liberated future based on the ideals of the French revolution was within grasp. Define "within grasp"
James Hill
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Justin Walker
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Jonathan Martin
Saxons are literally cousins of Ashkenaz Isaacson = Saxon
>father's father was a Jew, but that was kept secret. Helmut Schmidt Germany is the land of crypto-yids, isaacsons (saxons), and ashkenazis jewornotjew.com/profile.jsp?ID=530
>Boris Becker was born to Catholic parents. His mother, Elvira (Pisch), and her family, fled Czechoslovakia during the Russian invasion. Her family has Jewish relatives
Jews mixed with Germans since Roman times. Semitic features blended in.
>The Yeniche German vocabulary originates from Yiddish, Hebrew, Judeo-Latin >Native speakers:16,000 in Germany, Swiss, Austria en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yenish_language
>Rotwelsch - German language with significant influences from Judæo-Latin, the ancient Jewish language of the Roman Empire. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotwelsch
>German language, Lotegorisch, is based on Hebrew, lochne kodesch, from the Hebrew: laschon = "tongue, language", and kodesch = "holy en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotegorisch
Germany has rich Ashkenazi Jew heritage. From the time of the Holy Roman Empire, many of the families of nobility were Jewish.
Most people nowadays cannot fathom the impact the attempted communist revolution in 1918, which was led by Jews, had on German-Jewish relations.
Before 1918, Germany was not an anti-semitic country. In fact, German (and Austro-Hungarian) Jews were the most assimilated, best treated Jews in Europe, they were so assimilated that they felt confortable to discriminate against the Russian "Ostjuden" as inferior.
Germany was one of the most jew-tolerant places in Europe until 1933.
Russia and even France was more anti-Jewish than Germany. Jews were even ennobled in the Kaiser's court if they were in favor with Wihelm II.
Wilhelm II may have made some anti-Jewish remarks in his lifetime, but even he was horrified at Kristallnacht and the gangsterish brutality inflicted on German Jews. At his worst, the Kaiser never oppressed his people like the Nazis did.
West Jews were educated and rich. Highly assimilated and in position of power. East(Russian) Jews wee mostly poor or extremly poor, uneducated or illiterate, mostly speaking local russian dialects. Lived in ghettos or their own settelments wih their own laws and customs. West Jews were terrified by East Jews influx and influenced Western goverments to stop it.
The Jews native to Germany were quite assimilated. However, as a consequence of Pogroms and famines in the east, huge numbers of Russian and Galician (Austrian) Jews (Ostjuden) migrated to the West, eventually reaching Germany, France, Denmark and the U.S. Those eastern Jews unlike their western counterparts, had their own unique culture based highly upon their local cultures. Around the time Bismarck unified Germany, Jews did not face any legal persecution and as such they were not required to live in Ghettos unlike their Russian counterparts
Lucas Collins
>From the time of the Holy Roman Empire, many of the families of nobility were Jewish. No.
Jews were forced to wear silly hats ("Judenhut") and yellow circles in the HRE.
John Lee
If you want in, just assume Ashkenaz are germanics and germanics have all been on the same team since 18,000 BC, and always were for the most part.
Many Ashkenaz were adel and uradel and in 1942 they were given back their special privileges in society along with the other german nobles. Privileges given to nobles were first taken in 1919. In 1945 when Germany lost the war, the german noble classes were disbanded and only some relics of them remain, but they no longer have any special legal privileges at all. Therefore as a descendant of german nobility and a german-jew, by order of hitler and the third reich your family is my eternal servant and because our nobility was taken by force, I am the eternal guardian of the german people until my family is reinstated and I can resign my noble status in a more official capacity.
It is confusing for many people because of the complex relationship between jews and other europeans. the third reich recognized some Ashkenazi family as german nobility. You can recognize many of the german-jew nobility today, they often have colors in their surnames. Brown, red, green, blue, black, etc, and they are also often related to war or inanimate objects, shield, sword, stone, tree, money, house, etc. The true origin of these family names is unknown, but it is taught by scholars of judaism that many of our germanic names are over 3,000 years old and that they come from far more ancient ties between germanic people in the middle east and the hebrews. Armenia is believed to be the extent of ancient Ashkenaz and that is what Hitler wanted to reclaim, all the way to Israel, where the non-germanic jews would be relocated. The mindless genocidal nazis found around the internet are mutinous and dont carry the true ideas of Hitler.
the Jews we've come to know and hate come from eastern Europe/Eurasia, an later migrated to other parts of the world, intermarrying with other Europeans. The real semitic Jews were Aramaic, syriac, nomads from Jordan, etc.
Khazar Jews adopted the religion for personal gain. Over time their ethnicity and religion became synonymous
Ryder Watson
>And I would be surprised if Jews were any more overrepresented in Germany than they are in America now.
How are Jew overrepresented in the US? I thought that was just a Stormfag meme?
Isaac Bell
>Jewish nobility
Wait, what? Source?
Some medieval Italian families claimed Jewish origin but it was mostly a way to connect themselves to the origins of Christianity.
Isaiah Jackson
Members of the German Spartakusbund:
Karl Liebknecht German Rosa Luxemburg JEW Clara Zetkin JEW Leo Jogiches JEW Paul Levi JEW Ernst Toller JEW Eugene Levine JEW Kurt Eisner JEW Gustav Landauer JEW Erich Muehsam JEW
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The Central Committee of the Bolshevik Party:
Krylenko Russian Lounatcharski Russian Ulyanov (Lenin) JEW Bronstein (Trotsky) JEW Apfelbaum (Zinovief) JEW Lourie (Larine) JEW Ouritski JEW Volodarski JEW Rosenfeldt (Kamanef) JEW Smidovitch JEW Sverdlof (Yankel) JEW Nakhamkes (Steklof) JEW
The Council of the People’s Commissars:
Foreign Affairs Tchitcherine Russian Nationalities Djugashvili (Stalin) Georgian Agriculture Protian Armenian Public Instruction Lounatcharsky Russian Ulyanov (Lenin) JEW Economic Council Lourie (Larine) JEW Food Schlichter JEW Army & Navy Bronstein (Trotsky) JEW State Control Lander JEW State Lands Kauffman JEW Works V. Schmidt JEW Social Relief E. Lelina (Knigissen) JEWess Religions Spitzberg JEW Interior Apfelbaum (Zinovief) JEW Hygiene Anvelt JEW Finance Isidore Goukovski JEW Press Volodarski JEW Elections Ouritski JEW Justice I. Steinberg JEW Refugees Fenigstein JEW Refugees (assist.) Savitch JEW Refugees (assist.) Zaslovski JEW
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Asher Diaz
This is Veeky Forums, not /pol/. Are you trying to say something?
Trying to get an impression of the character of the yiddish people and their contribution to Germany and Western civilisation in general.
Jace Peterson
All I see is /pol/ shitposting. This is not how history works, user. If those pictures are as trustworthy as /pol/ pictures about the holocaust then they are completely worthless.
Liam Wilson
Don't reply to shitposters. It only encourages them.
Parker Rogers
If you dig far enough you'll find millions of people with jewish """"ancestry"""
I'm sure we're all related to Genghis Khan in some way, too. maybe Barbarossa. Who the fuck knows.
who gives a shit? schmidt was still one of the best Kanzler this country ever saw.
>Boris Becker >literally a tennis player and tabloid fuckface
Mason Martinez
>completely worthless When you ask hoaxers for evidence of a government conspiracy, pic related is the best they can come up with. Bear in mind that one murder in LA produced boxes of evidence, and they STILL couldn't pin a conviction on OJ.
Firstly, after you have got past the preparatory psy ops, these scraps are the best documentary evidence there is for the planned industrial scale murder of 6 million people, although there were far more within the reaches of the Reich. Really? That alone arouses suspicion.
>Josef Hell Third hand hearsay of second hand hearsay from a literally who. It says, though, that Hitler intended to annihilate the jews by hanging in Marienplatz, Munich (millions of jews? really?) as soon as he got power. But as we know he didn't do anything of the sort.
However, assume the speech is genuine. What is it evidence for? What he says he intended to do wasn't put into practice over the course of the following three years.
>Eisatzgruppen report We all know about the Einsatzgruppen. Jews were fighting as partisans and saboteurs, including thousands of jewish communists on the Eastern Front. Someone had to deal with them. It was a war.
Which leaves us with >Letter sent to David Irving So this is it? This is the evidence for the holocaust? Some jew sending a letter to David Irving third-hand reporting what Eichmann is second-hand reported to have said? Really? I wonder what else Eichmann had to say about the holocaust.
>Saxons are literally cousins of Ashkenaz >Isaacson = Saxon Wrong. The name Saxons for the Ingvaeonic confederacy of tribes derived from their main weapon, the seax or sax. This word derived from Proto-Germanic sahsą for dagger or knife, which in turn derived from PIE *sek- "to cut". All those languages you listed are just varieties of Rotwelsch, which is medieval German thieves' cant. >goths confirmed for yids! Where the hell are you taking this conclusion from? What does Manisch have to do with Gothic or Goths?
>Anne, sister, mother, father transported to Auschwitz in September 1944 at the height of the holocaust >NO GASSINGS >live for two months together in Auschwitz >NO GASSINGS >Anne and sister both transported to Bergen Belsen >NO GASSINGS >both dead from typhus by March 1945 >NO GASSINGS >mother dies from starvation in Auschwitz after a few months (she had been feeding her rations to her daughters) >NO GASSINGS >father and friends of family survive Auschwitz and Bergen Belsen to corroborate all this >NO GASSINGS >Otto Frank wrote numerous letters from Auschwitz to family in Switzerland during the war and gave numerous interviews after the war - no mention was ever made of gassings
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Levi Lewis
>"I was treated terribly by the [British] Field Security Police. I was dragged to Heide and, of all places, to the same military barracks from which I had been released eight months before by the British. During the first interrogation they beat me to obtain evidence. I do not know what was in the transcript, or what I said, even though I signed it, because they gave me liquor and beat me with a whip. It was too much even for me to bear." mailstar.net/Hoss-Memoirs.html
>"The prisoner was torn from the top bunk, the pyjamas ripped from his body. He was then dragged naked to one of the slaughter tables, where it seemed to Clarke the blows and screams were endless. Eventually, the Medical Officer urged the Captain: 'Call them off, unless you want to take back a corpse.'" amazon.co.uk/Legions-Death-Enslavement-Military-Classics/dp/1844150429
Dominic King
>when /pol/ gets so buttblasted they dump their entire folder
Do they have some centralized database of this stuff, because it's always the exact same posts?
Ryder Scott
Shame there's no actual evidence to corroborate their claims, such as two LA's worth of human remains, or population statistics that don't contradict the claims, or any explicit documentary evidence from during the war.
>swimming pool >art classes >forty-five thousand volume library >special money >six orchestras >theatre, including children's opera and weekly Saturday review >football field (next to the "gas chambers") with weekly games between inmates and SS >fencing classes >cinema >legal advice, including standing order that inmates could personally submit complaints to the commandant >hospital >visitors >brothel >mail service >education centre forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=4332
They didn't find human skin lampshades but they did find pieces of human skin with tattoos. So yeah, there is some truth to these claims. Same with the soap.
>implying there were commom laws in the HRE Jews were living under the nominal protection of the king/emperor, since the emperor had most influence over free imperial cities/ Reichsstädte, it was there were most jews settled down. This led to a high urban concentration of jewish people in Germany. However this protection was far from secure, the city of Nürnberg for example razed the entire jew district as they were looking for a bigger market place inside of the town walls. Happenings like this made the jews very mobile, they were used to move away if things got unpleasant and because of that the jewish community was and is highly connected.
Luke Bailey
You should take the advice from your friends on (((wikipedia))) if you want to maintain credibility.
>But those of us working in this area have not used it as an example [of Nazi atrocity] in the last 10 to 15 years. We don't have any evidence that the Nazis actually manufactured soap with human bodies. jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/soap.html
And try to resist the temptation to use wikipedia as a source.
>Israel, Jews, Zionists Seminar Takeover of Wikipedia Online Information to Implement Disinformation youtube.com/watch?v=hMBramnCg_s
Ayden Walker
>jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/soap.html Are you literally retarded? >manufactured >a limited quantity of the soap was produced on his order to clean autopsy rooms. Do you even understand the difference? So yes, there is some truth to this rumor. Of course it wasn't manufactured, but there was one Nazi doctor experimenting with this.
