Why do Catholics and sometimes Protestants see Pilate a gud boy who didn't do nuffin? The Orthodox think he was a tyrant who treated the Jews abysmally and only put Christ to death because he was told by the emperor that if he was treading on extremely thin ice after pissing off the Jews. He only thought the charges brought against Christ were retarded because he thought the Jewish faith was retarded, not because he had any compassion for Christ (his wife did, though). Pilate likewise thought Jesus blithering idiot worth mocking, he just thought the Jews were also idiots for making a big stink and fuss about it, since among pagans a guy going around preaching and saying he was sent from God wouldn't really offend anyone, they'd just think he was a clown.
>And Herod with his men of war set him at nought, and mocked him, and arrayed him in a gorgeous robe, and sent him again to Pilate. And the same day Pilate and Herod were made friends together: for before they were at enmity between themselves. Maximos the Confessor, commenting on this, says Herod and Pilate were reconciled from enemies to friends due after they joked together about Jesus.
I'd be an angry motherfucker too if i was stuck trying to govern some sandy middle eastern shithole.
Cooper Barnes
Pilate, in the Orthodox conception, is pretty much exactly how Nietzsche conceived of him.
Gavin Moore
What did Nietzsche said about him?
Aiden Mitchell
>To regard a Jewish imbroglio seriously -- that was quite beyond him. One Jew more or less -- what did it matter? . . . The noble scorn of a Roman, before whom the word "truth" was shamelessly mishandled
Alexander Flores
New Testament history isn't my strong suit, but from what I knew there was kind of a conflict of interests between the Jews and Pilate, who governed in the name of Rome. He wanted to cement his power simply by opposing the Jews as much as possible. He didn't care for Jesus, but wanted to see Him walk anyway because it would piss off the Pharisees. The Jewish crowd (more than likely spurred on by the Pharisees) demanded Christ was crucified anyway, at which point Pilate just threw up his hands (or washed them, rather) and decided he wanted nothing to do with this. He lost so to speak, and after that it just became Jews doing Jew things in his eyes.
That doesn't exactly make him a good boy who dindu nuffin, but he had his own agenda that opposed that of the Jews and Jesus was merely a pawn in this.
Ryan Gutierrez
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Cooper Cook
Nietzsche has no clue what he's talking about. It's the Sadducees who were the privileged, they represented the wealthy and elite and the priests, and they got fat off working with the occupying Romans. The Pharisees were the champions of the underclass, in the Sanhedren, they were like the Populares to the Sadducees Optimates. That's the whole point Christ makes in comparing the Pharisee (who lives in ascetic poverty) with the publican (who probably does quite well for himself skimming taxes, which most of the tax collecting collaborators did). The Pharisee is almost prideful about how pious and poor and ascetic he is, whereas the publican is contrite, and so he is more worthy in the eyes of God.
What's bizarre here, is that Nietzsche is leveling against Christianity's attitude toward the Pharisees, the same criticism Christ leveled against the Pharisaic attitude toward the elite.
Benjamin Cruz
>Why do Catholics and sometimes Protestants see Pilate a gud boy who didn't do nuffin? Simple.
Because early christianity wouldn't have been adopted if romans were depicted as villains. It would have stayed as jewish sect it was. Thus jews were vilified instead and roman soldiers were good guys all along who gave Jesus water to drink while he was passing time on a cross.
Jack Morgan
The greentext in the OP is from the Gospel of Luke
Isaac Hughes
Pilate is always depicted as the man that did nothing. "Washed his hands of it". In the western church (Catholic and Protestant). Not that he did nothing wrong, his doing nothing is his sin, but he is usually not considered important as he was a non-believer, a secondary character and just a vessel for authority. He took what belonged to Caesar, nothing more, nothing less.
Logan Nelson
He ordered Christ's death.
Lincoln Bell
He let the Jews decide, choosing to be neutral. >When Pilate saw that he was getting nowhere, but that instead an uproar was starting, he took water and washed his hands in front of the crowd. "I am innocent of this man's blood," he said. "It is your responsibility!" He could have saved Jesus, but then he would have a Charlotte on his hands. His sin is doing nothing.
Evan Brooks
>His sin is doing nothing What should have he done then to be free of sin? His inaction is what lead to to the Crucifixion, and then the alleged Resurrection. Easily the most important event in Christian theology.
Had he directly ordered it, would he be a man without sin? If he somehow made the right course of actions that would save Jesus, then what happens to Christianity.
Jayden Watson
>Pilate is always depicted as the man that did nothing. "Washed his hands of it" Consider Pilates position would you. Would you have spared him if you were in his position? These Jews who are always on the verge of rebellion. They Jews had a religion that called for the murder or heritics and sinners. Who are you to intercede to save a man who by all the required criteria meets the definition of a heretic and is worthy of death. Would you spare your posh job in the Roman Empire to save someone like who Jesus appeared to be? He understood that Jesus probably shouldn't be killed but the wheels of fate were already turning and it was time for Jesus to sacrifice himself. Furthermore I think Jesus's saying "forgive them father for they know not what they do" can be interpreted as Jesus implying forgiveness toward his killers some of who were just doing their job.
Jordan Wood
>His inaction is what lead to to the Crucifixion, and then the alleged Resurrection. Easily the most important event in Christian theology. Exactly, he should be a saint. Just like Judas. (not in being ironic)
Joseph Wright
He delivered jesus's salvation which absolved humanity of sin.
Xavier Nelson
Why were the jews such a violent and zealous bunch?
Pilate tried to do nothing and tried to not be involved in the murder of Jesus. Mostly because his wife warned him she had a disturbing dream and to have nothing to do with this Jesus.
The Jews blackmailed Pilate, saying they would tell Caesar he was no friend of Caesar if he did not kill this king of the Jews.
I would not expect Pilate to be in heaven.
Wyatt Jones
Jesus threatened their positions and their safety; Rome really would care that a king was rising to power in one of its territories.
Julian Sanchez
>Washed his hands of it". Which is actually a Jewish ritual, not a Roman one. Lots of scholars have written about what this is supposed to have meant, but a common explanation is that it was added to make Pilate seem more innocent, since it's probably not something he would have actually done.
Like said. Absolving Pilate of guilt is necessary to shift the blame more the Jews and make the religion more palatable to Romans.
Nathaniel Adams
Pilate did his Roman duty. end of story.
Xavier Reed
Untangle that gibberish
Isaac Hughes
Yeah, Nietzsche was really uneducated about history, theology, and even most of philosophy. A huge amount of what he said is like that.
