China has LeEco, NIO, CHJ, Zhiche, Youxia, Qoros
America has Tesla, Karma, Lucid, Faraday Future, Rivian, Fisker
What does Europe have?
China has LeEco, NIO, CHJ, Zhiche, Youxia, Qoros
Easton Carter
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Luis Gutierrez
Cars you can actually buy.
Joshua Cox
real cars?
Jonathan Garcia
>China has econoboom startups that'll fare god knows how well or badly
>America has Silicon Valley startups that are potentially set up to be vaporware all along purely to make their founder richer
Levi Turner
> China
Many of those companies are planning and or are already building factories
>America
Lucid is being bought by ford, karma and Tesla sells cars, FF is fucked
And Europe has?
Lincoln Roberts
>What does Europe have?
Volvo is planning to go all electric pretty soon, Opel got bought by PSA and will probably get turned into their all-electric brand, VAG is working on getting their own electric cars off the ground, as are BMW and Mercedes, and Renault already has a complete electric lineup alongside their ICE lineup.
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Joseph Scott
>Volvo is planning to go all electric pretty soon
No they are not. They're planning to go hybrid and/or electircally driven turbos.
Cooper Hernandez
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theatlantic.com
They've already dropped every single engine except one with various different tunes and degrees of electric assistance, dropping internal combustion altogether isn't a large leap.
Cameron Russell
Cars that are simply being built instead of making a gigantic hype around a few digital renders of Silicon Valley vaporware. Americans fall for the marketing of these hype machine startups sooooo easily.
Brandon Long
Porsche, Aston Martin, Ferrari, Lamborghini and maybe Lotus
Dylan Ward
oh I didn't even realize all those names made electrics until after my post
whoops
Ayden Carter
This is false. Volvo is planning to build three different types of electrified vehicle with launches starting in 2019. Regenerative braking only, plug in-hybrid, and full electric. All new vehicles launched after 2019 will be one of these three.
Juan Ward
So far, Rimac, Venturi, Lightning, COURB, and Bollorè, those are just the highway capable cars.
Caleb Ortiz
And that only counts the pure electric only makers.
Hudson Martin
Cars that actually break down.
Julian Long
Thinking about starting my own vaporware EV start up purely as satire.
>Just like your dad's old truck. But better.
Connor Hall
The public transit infrastructure to support the transition away from fossil fuels .
Eli Reed
>what does europe have
fun cars
Eli Reyes
>Regenerative braking only
What's that supposed to mean?
Leo Hall
Mild Hybrid.
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Nathaniel Myers
>rimac
my nigga
Camden Barnes
Which one do you think will start production first?
This, or the "first mobility ecosystem on wheels" (LeEco).
Benjamin Wilson
>China has LeEco, NIO, CHJ, Zhiche, Youxia, Qoros, Karma, Lucid, Faraday, Fisker, possibly Rivian
>America has Tesla
Rivian is a stealth-mode company that apparently has funds from unknown sources. It can't be one of the major NA companies because those would put out the EV under their own names for the carbon, tax, and MPG credits. Rivian already has a portfolio of electric car patents, so it presumably is backed by the chinese who have ripped off the patents from other vaporware startups that were created to develop patents. One can't just put out EV cars without control or licensing of all patented content in the car.
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Brandon Sanchez
>Lucid is being bought by ford
Lucid was publicly refused by Ford. However, Ford is still looking at the numbers. Lucid doesn't even have a stable design after all this time, but it does have a lot of buyout debt due to golden parachutes and employee stock options. Another worry is how their patents and designs are owned by a separate firm (chinese financed via japanese banks) and licensed back to Lucid. This is worrisome as it means exclusive patent enforcement is likely not possible. Buying it out is basically paying off the patent holders who then use the money to open up a rival EV company in one of the abandoned car manufacturing factories.
Levi Howard
>Patents owned by the Chinese
How? BYD sold their stake to Jia Yuting/Faraday who sold it to an unknown investor
Nathan Cox
Who is this Rivian? It has mystery investors with deep pockets and EV patents that are non disclosed as of yet.
Jack Anderson
See
Cars that don't exist aren't cars.
James Sanchez
Exposed turbos like that turn me on
Easton Cox
>for sale now
Renault and BMW
>near future
VAG, Volvo, Rimac, Mercedes
Jacob Rodriguez
>e-Golf
>e-Up!
>Smart ED
>B-Class Electric Drive
Landon Mitchell
Those are Hybrids, not full electric.
Robert Flores
>Faraday
Aaron Bell
Europe has Akrapovic.
Brody Garcia
no they aren't idiot