Was genghis khan a hun?

so not a hun?

MANDELA EFFECT

Calling Ginghis Khan a Hun is false and misleading. Ginghis Khan being a hun is based on nothing but nationalist propaganda. At this time the Huns was long since gone, having transformed into what that today is known as the Hungarians. It was this race that birthed Ginghis khan as well as all his generals of merit.
Several nationalist Romanians, Germanics and Slavs have tried to link his ethnicity to the by Magyars subjugated Mongols, but this is just a desperate bid to try and hide the glory of the Magyar race. In fact the reason the Slavic ran USSR would later invade Mongolia was to destroy any evidence for this simple and so obvious truth, yet we Magyars have always known to guard it well.

>Ginghis Khan being a hun is based on nothing but nationalist propaganda.
>At this time the Huns was long since gone, having transformed into what that today is known as the Hungarians.

He was Altaic.

Jokes aside, this is what a substantial number of Hungarians believe.

>this is what a substantial number of Hungarians believe.
Nem igaz.

Ever talked to Jobbik supporters?

>The huns, and really all mongolians, are turks that ventured out east and stayed there as nomads.
so finish mongoils are really finnish turks?

nobody believes that you dumb subhuman shitposter

Huns were Germanic.

Proofs?

is it too soon to meme the turk trip shitposter?

They used to

>genghis hun
>genghis khan
>genghis chan
>genghis chong

Hun, Khan, Chan, Chong, Cherng, Chen, Chin, Han all cognates

>The ruler of the Xiongnu was called the Chanyu later refined by Rouran as "Khan"
>The Yenisei Kirghiz Khagans claimed descent from Xiongnu (Chinese Li Ling + daughter of the Xiongnu Khan)
>Xiongnu are Mongoloids
>Xiongnu used Chanyu/Khanyu title synonymous with Khan
>it is suggested that Indo-European Wusun used the royal title "Kunmi"
>Beckwith specifically suggests an Indo-Aryan etymology of the title Kunmi
>IE word Kunmi possibly the root for Khan
>Hun = Khan = Hunnu = Xiongnu = Hunya = Chanyu = Kunmi (similar shit)

>Huns were in fact descendants of the Northern Xiongnu who migrated westward

hun? hun was the name of a series of tribal confederations. not a nation.

he used the name mongol first for all mongolian speaking tribes also.

nah. there are some discussions about his turkic roots, being from his mothers side (she was tuvan, also the subutai was) but we are not sure what language they spoke in that period in tuva.

nope. western turkics (namely oghuz and turkmen) always looked less asiatic then the eastern dudes.

>Attila Khan
>genghis hun

Physically, Attila is described by Jordanes as short and stocky, with a large head, small eyes, a thin beard, a flat nose, and a swarthy complexion

The Huns were a people described in the following manner: “…the terror of their looks inspire in their enemies with no little horror by their awful aspect and by their horribly swarthy appearance. They have a sort of shapeless lump, if I may say so, not a face, and pinholes rather than eyes.”(5) A race of men who were short and bow-legged, riding their fast steppe ponies and living on their steeds terrorized Europe. They practically lived and slept on horseback, they ate half-raw meat, which was kept beneath their saddles, and shot their arrows with frightening accuracy

they grow up without beards, plump necks, and bow-legged
Ammianus Marcellinus (c. 390), Roman History, Book XXXI

>the title “Khan“ was original to the Rourans
>The region experienced a Mongolification and was eventually occupied predominantly by peoples showing Mongoloid features, known from their skeletal remains and artifacts

tl;dr Scythians transferred their technology/skills/culture to Mongoloids and then replaced them

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xiongnu
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chanyu

jordanes never saw attila, probably never saw a hun.

the sources from that period is pretty shady, they also said huns are spawns of goth witches and male demons.

the fact that number of alans, slavs and germanic people joined in that hordes alone would make it pretty hard to record what they looked like.

it's thought tho they are off-shoots of xiong-nu so had certain asiatic feautures in them.

>Scythians transferred their technology/skills/culture to Mongoloids and then replaced them

mongoloid is a pretty ancient term. i'm not sure it's right to call people from siberia (the ones probably migrated in america through the bering) mongoloids.

schythians were long gone in the time of xiong-nu. the iranic nomads of that era were wusun and yuezhi. and they were not "replaced" when they were taken over.

steppe people easily integrated into conquering force when defeated, only ruling elites would flee. that's what happened in that case also.

>schythians were long gone in the time of xiong-nu

Xiongnu inhabited the Asian Steppe from the 3rd century BC to the late 1st century AD

Scythians, also known as Scyth, Saka, Sakae, Sacae, Sai, Iskuzai, or Askuzai, were a large group of Iranian[1][2][3][4] Eurasian nomads who were mentioned by the literate peoples surrounding them as inhabiting large areas in the central Eurasian steppes from about the 9th century BC until about the 4th century AD (Sarmatians)
Alans survive to this day
the Xiongnu name could be a cognate of Scythian, Saka and Sogdia, corresponding to a name for Northern Iranians.[24][71] According to Beckwith the Xiongnu could have contained a leading Iranian component when they started out, but more likely they had earlier been subjects of an Iranian people and learned from them the Iranian nomadic model.[24]

In the UNESCO-published History of Civilizations of Central Asia, its editor János Harmatta concludes that the royal tribes and kings of the Xiongnu bore Iranian names, that all Xiongnu words noted by the Chinese can be explained from a Scythian language, and that it is therefore clear that the majority of Hsiung-nu tribes spoke an Eastern Iranian language

Xiongnu art is harder to distinguish from Saka or Scythian art

A majority (89%) of the Xiongnu mtDNA sequences can be classified as belonging to Asian haplogroups, and nearly 11% belong to European haplogroups.[citation needed] This finding indicates that contact between European and Asian populations preceded the start of Xiongnu culture, and confirms results reported for two samples from an early 3rd century BC Scytho-Siberian population (Clisson et al. 2002)

>was genghis khan a hun?
No, the Huns were a confederation, not an ethnicity, and they ceased to exist when their state collapsed. We don't even know for certain if the Huns, at the height of their power, ever even controlled Mongolia.
The huns were multi-ethnic, with at least Turkic, Iranian, and Germanicm, with possibly Ugric and proto-Mongol as well. The Mongols also weren't Turks, they came to the steppe from the Siberian forests/mountains and adopted Turkic culture, in fact a large number of Mongols during Genghis' time weren't horse nomads but forest dwellers.

the problem here is that they call every iranic nomad a scythian. if you include soghdians you can say they lasted thill 10 ad and you will be frigging wrong.

same mentality as op's. "asian nomads? oh he is a hun then."

>jordanes never saw attila, probably never saw a hun.
>the sources from that period is pretty shad

>accurately depict the features of a member of the geographically distant Mongoloid race, non-existent in Roman Europe

it is simple coincidence that multiple reputable historical sources accurately and consistently depict mongoloid features?

mongoloid features that were remote, rare, and previously unknown to the region

Ammianus Marcellinus (Roman soldier who met and fought the Huns), Jordanes, and many other historians are trusted and accurate historians

you and your erroneous opinions are not relevant in this discussion

>nope. western turkics (namely oghuz and turkmen) always looked less asiatic
Dude hardly look asiatic wtf?

they*

probably mixed with iranic people from the very beginning.

>Jordanes
>Trusted

yeah, he thinks getae were goths, he says zalmoxis was a gothic king-not a dacian god, goths fought agamemnon and parleyed with a pharaoh, and sent witches to east only to mate with demons from swamps to make huns. so what? he is credible enough, i agree.

the problem here is your limited and erroneous knowledge

the scythians originated from andronovo and covered a large area of the eurasian steppe. from hungary to mongolia/china.

Andronovo became known as Scythians (Saka, Sarmatians, Ossetians, Alans, Sogdians) and Iranians

the scythians had many names, tribes and civilizations, including Scyth, Saka, Sakae, Sacae, Sai, Iskuzai, or Askuzai, Sarmatians, Alans

some Scythians later developed their own group, Sarmatians, Sakas, Alans, Sogdians etc..

Saka, on the other hand, relates to an Iranian verbal root, sak-, "go, roam, propel",

old Iranian ethnic names: Scythian, Skudra, Sogdian, descend from *skeud-, an ancient Indo-European root meaning "propel, shoot"

Four old Iranian ethnic names: Scythian – Skudra – Sogdian – Saka

The first Saka king in south Asia was Maues (Moga) (1st century BC) who established Saka power in Gandhara (modern day Pakistan and Afghanistan region) and gradually extended supremacy over north-western India

Scythaic / Eastern Iranian includes:
Sakan, Scythian, Khotanese, Bactrian, Khwarezmian, Sarmatian, Avestan, Sogdian, Pashto, Yaghnobi, and Ossetian

He's doing no mistake. Scythian is used a lot of times as an historiographical term for all eastern iranian speaking nomads, not just the scythians of Ukraine described by Herodotus.

Still better than the ancient term, that came to include huns, avars and basically everyone that came from that general area even if they weren't iranic.

yeah, ancient historians tend to call everyone east or north of the blacksea scythians but it doesn't mean it's totally right. later records also called everyone from that region tatars and to todays ordinary people, everyone from central asia is a mongol. which isn't remotely right.

you might be right about soghds. but calling wusun or yuezhi (who were in contact with xioung-nu much more than other iranic people) scythians, it leads to confusion.

Confusion for who? You?

It's a correct historiographical term. I wasn't talking about ancient historians at all in my first paragraph. Do you feel confused when people call Eastern Rome Byzantium, believing they're talking about the greek colony in classical times or something like that?

Shut the fuuuuuuck up, son. They're Turks too

>it is simple coincidence that multiple reputable historical sources accurately and consistently depict mongoloid features?
Attention retard:
Historians of the day would use each other as sources, without much regard to validity of the source as opposed to repuation and ideology.

>wusun and yuezhi. and they were not "replaced"

"Among the barbarians in the Western Regions, the look of the Wusun is the most unusual. The present barbarians who have green eyes and red hair, and look like macaque monkeys, are the offspring of this people

The Wusun originally lived between the Qilian Mountains and Dunhuang (Gansu) near the Yuezhi. Around 176 BC the Yuezhi were raided by the Turko-Mongoloid Xiongnu, subsequently attacking the IE Wusun and seizing their land.

In 162 BC, the Yuezhi were finally defeated by the Xiongnu, after which they fled Gansu.

In the 5th century the Wusun were pressured by the Rouran (Turko-Mongoloid) and may have migrated to the Pamir Mountains.[1][8][37] They are last mentioned in Chinese historical sources in 436 CE, when a Chinese envoy was sent to their country and
the Wusun reciprocated

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wusun
"The Yuezhi originally lived in the area between the Qilian or Heavenly Mountains (Tian Shan) and Dunhuang (Gansu), but after they were defeated by the Xiongnu they moved far away to the west, beyond Dayuan, where they attacked and conquered the people of Daxia and set up the court of their king on the northern bank of the Gui [= Oxus] River. A small number of their people who were unable to make the journey west sought refuge among the Qiang barbarians in the Southern Mountains, where they are known as the Lesser Yuezhi."[14]

Yuezhi and Wusun may have been Tocharian (Afanesevo) or Scythian (Andronovo) or even both, but their Sai neighbors were Scythian

no, not a hun. kenghis was a khan of mongols. not huns.

>shitard denying the validity of multiple historical sources from Rome, China, Byzantium
>shitard opinion is more valid than multiple historical sources from Rome, China, Byzantium

shiturd opinion disgarded

this is a result of misrepresentation of nationality and ethnicity based on dialectal pronunciation of an ancient title

Khan and Hun are synonymous

the Mongoloid steppe people all were ruled by Huns/Khans. Various Turks, Mongols, Tungus, Uralics were ruled under the same Khan/Hun. The Chinese called them Hunnu, Xiongnu, Hunya, Chanyu. The Mongoloid steppe people all share a similar origin in adopting the Scythian lifestyle

same as Tatar being called Mongols and Turks

see tl;dr all groups of Mongoloid steppe people are Mongol/Turk/Hun

sai were clearly scythian. it's hard to find the source right now but i read chinese mentioning of some gok turk khagans, having green eyes and light brown hair also. which might point to an admixture with wusun. (also the same was said about genghis, there are people with such features in central asia (especially among uighur people in xinjiang)

thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?t=94924

as i said before, defeated elites of ruling tribes are the real migrators, not whole people. this was true for huns of europe (most were men of the ruling tribe) who were defeated by dingling or rourans and were on the run, for avars who were beaten by others etc. and got stronger in number while on the run, didn't migrate as a whole. the same might have happened with the wusun and other tocharians also.

Genghis-kun?

No, they've only deployed Goths in battle.

West Mongolia, best Mongolia.

Was Genghis Khan black?

Clearly only black men can cuck men of other races. So Genghis Khan must be black.

This set off a domino effect of indoeuropean steppe civilizations being forced westward, which culminates in the Kushan invasion of India, the Scythian invasion of Persia and Rome, and the Alan invasion of europe, which centuries later triggers the Germanic migration period that sacked Rome.

At the end of this, the Huns, probly one of the first to be kicked out, copy scythian horse nomadism , and finish off Rome for good.

> chinese mentioning of some gok turk khagans, having green eyes and light brown hair also. which might point to an admixture with wusun. (also the same was said about genghis, there are people with such features in central asi

there are even ancient tales and prophecies of great red-hair leaders to be born to uplift the glory of the Mongoloid steppe nomads

indeed, the original leaders of various horseriding steppe nomad Mongoloid factions were IE and did mix with their subjects

as the Mongoloid factions quickly adopted the IE horse steppe-styles, their dependence on IE rule declined until the ultimate replacement of the IE peoples

though the ancient legacy of the original IE sometimes makes its rare appearance in the light-eyed, haired solitary specimens roaming the east Eurasian steppe

I am a Manchu of Tokarian descent living in the US. I have green eyes like my father and my grandfather had hazel eyes and brown reddish hair. Tokarians along with Proto-Turks migrated to Manchuria and mixed with Tungusic tribes to create the Jurchen/Manchu people. My ancestral clan is Proto-Turkic of Tabgach line and I am in no way Chinese. We Central Asian steppe peoples have always been different from the Chinese. I know clearly we are not Asiatic Han Chinese and Caucasoid Indo-European blood that flows through my veins is a testament to that.

The Ordos culture is known for significant finds of Scythian art and is thought to represent the easternmost extension of Indo-European Eurasian nomads, such as the Scythians

during the Bronze and early Iron Age from the 6th to 2nd centuries BCE.

the art of the Ordos culture appears to have influenced that of the Donghu people (Chinese: 東胡), a Mongolic-speaking nomadic tribe located to the east

The weapons found in tombs throughout the steppes of the Ordos are very close to those of the Scythians, who known on the Asian Steppes as the Saka.[9]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordos_culture

>claimed descent from Xiongnu
literally everyone does this all the time
>someone makes it big
>claim he was your ancewstor to legitimize your rule/fame
hell, even Greeks in the classic period still claimed Heracles and Gods as the origin of their family

TURKPOSTER HAS ARRIVED

He was actually an anglo

>It's a correct historiographical term.
Wusun and Yuezhi probably spoke languages of the Tocharian family rather than the Iranic family and had a somewhat distinct culture. Even though the Greeks thought they were Scythians, that doesn't make it accurate.