How do you compete with THAT?

If I had 35k lying around I'd get one no question about it. It's exactly what I need in a car

You can get 210 miles of range and windows from a lot of other cars and doesn't take hours to charge.

Things that are considered at the bottom of a list often are considered as having no competition.

I want a sub-40k electric car with 200+ mile range that doesn't look like crap, has supercharging capabilities, autopilot capabilities, OTA updates, and a cool dash.

the TM3 is the only car right now that does all that. I love it.

I never got to ask this because this just came up, but can you manually adjust the A/C, by that I mean can you change which way you want the air to blow, or do you have to use the screen for that?

it's literally a screen glued to the worlds most uninteresting dash

keep in mind you charge this thing overnight in your garage
the only time you care about charging is on long trips, and even then it's just a half hour break at a supercharger every like 150 miles.

By your logic, everyone should own a pickup truck for those few times they need to buy a fridge

that gap above the wood stuff is the vent, goes all the way across, and yes its controlled by the screen

You can use the screen or the steering wheel scrolls

>spending $35k on a car
>getting literally anything besides a G8 GXP
I seriously hope you guys don't do this.

>I want a sub $40k electic car
Why? They offer nothing over a regular car
>I want 200+mile range
Bolt or literally any other car
>Doesn't look like crap
The TM3 is definitely crap. The proportions are all wrong, it's as tall in the mid and back as the Model S but it's shorter.
>Supercharging capability
Nothing more than a buzzword meme. The supercharger was meant for road trips which any other car is more convenient at doing. The supercharger stations are already over filled with Tesla cucks needing a charge.
>Autopilot
Only an option which will break your budget
>OTA updates
So basically saying the car is shit out of the box

it's really cool. you have full y/z axis control, and you can split it 2 ways per side too. youtube.com/watch?v=DD2z2Pa8X00

>you can't want that car! there's all these unfounded, unresearched opinions I got from reading other angry people on Veeky Forums about it!
And then of course when you get btfo you will go cry about "muh fanboi cult" even though you're just being a cunt.

this must be the dumbest shit I've ever read. do some research on the car you idiot.

i'm actually kind of ok with that.
more motors to break though

>Half hour break every 150miles

That's fucking forever and what happens when the station is full? Imagine if cars took a half hour at every fuel pump. These cars barely make it up to charge after a full night and you'll be spending more in electricity than you would be gas.

>the blind, paralyzed, gay, transgendered midget with down syndrome HAS NO COMPETITION

someone needs to roll coal on that line of pussies

>Can't refute anything I just said

If it's so perfect then why does it need updates?

>everything

>and you'll be spending more in electricity than you would be gas.
negative, juice is cheap as fuck
>These cars barely make it up to charge after a full night
if you're using a 120v wall outlet yeah, which is why you put a level 2 charger in your garage and it's a 4 hour full charge

why does your smartphone?

your logic is retarded

>updates are bad

holy fuck how buttblasted are you? lmao

attracts gay men

(assuming you don't drive a Miata)

It doesnt smell right
I was reading a motortrend article yesterday and they said it handled like a fucking Giulia. This reeks of bullshit

you're just mad that you can't get free OTA updates that increase your 0-60 time :^)

and if you pay on demand, charging at night is cheap as balls. 6c/kwh where I live.

>we know you'd like to just get in your car and drive
>please be patient while we perform mandatory software updates beyond your control
>while you wait 25 minutes for these to download, feel free to browse this tasteful selection of gay porn we loaded onto your car last night

The Chevy Bolt competes with it. It might even be a better choice for people like me that already have a "fun" car. Can't really comment on it though, I'm not the target audience.

If your smartphone is so perfect why do you get a new one every few years? Yeah let's just pay an electrician a couple thousand so your electric shit box can even function.

Explain why it needs updates if it's "perfect"

>scheduled night charging
>6c/kwh
shit nigguh i forgot about that. That's FOUR bucks for a 60kw pack which is probably what the long range version will have.

More like Chevy DOLT, because you'd have to be a fucking moron to buy anything GM makes - let alone an electric car.

Who am I kidding? If you're considering an electric car you ARE a faggot.

>The Chevy Bolt competes with it.
Sure, in the same sense the Washington Generals compete with the Harlem Globetrotters

test drive any electric car - leaf, bolt, tesla, anything. it's really different, in a good way. Instantaneous torque doesn't translate well to words, you just gotta try it for yourself.

you have to accept the update, retard. How dumb do you think tesla engineers are?

I think the SR version is gonna be 50kwh and the LR 75. the SR isn't software limited, since it weights less too.

>Yeah let's just pay an electrician a couple thousand so your electric shit box can even function.
i mean yeah, it's a great addition. You basically forget about gas runs, your car is just ready to do shit every morning.
It's not actually that hard to do yourself, it's a dryer outlet, the problem is if you don't have a 240v line already from the street.
>what are off peak pushed updates

explain why something can't be "perfect" if it receives updates from the manufacturer.

go ahead and name your perfect car and I'll Google some TSB's for you. you still have no argument. your daddy a coal miner or something?

>Can't refute
It's all garbage. Whoopdedoo the Bolt goes 200+ miles, too bad its fast charging network has on the order of 5% the coverage of the supercharger network and goes at 2/3 - 1/2 the speed. So you have a subjective opinion on the appearance, why should he care? Literally base your opinion that the SCs are "overfilled" on meme images on Veeky Forums. Autopilot is bad because it's expensive except clearly he's decided the capability is worth the cost. OTAs let the car give and receive mapping data and flexibility to improve in various ways down the line.

"B-but it's not perfect!" okay. Your ailing kia is perfect. You got 'im.

If it needs fixes that means it's not perfect.

>Says he wants over 200 miles of range
>Uh the Bolt does that
>Who cares!

Wut. And any gas car fills up literally 1000% faster than electric cars. Supercharger network is like winning the special Olympics.

I honestly can't tell if you're just fishing for yous here, user. Just how much leaded gasoline did you drink to make you think that OTA software updates are bad?

>Uh the bolt does that
Except it doesn't. Lacks a competitive fast charging network, meaning you're liable to be limited to half that range if you don't want to be stuck slow charging.

>gas fills up faster
No shit.

I'm simply trying to understand how something is perfect when it needs updates, fixes, patches and probably recalls down the road.

That's what your small ape brain thinks you subhuman. They're not looking out for your best interests, they're looking out for their own and you're too stupid to realize it, niggo

Not only does the bolt have more than 200 miles range, it has more range than the base Model 3

when did I say it was perfect, moron.

do a control f for perfect. It's just you :)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_is_the_enemy_of_good

Nice ## though.

why are you taking the word perfect so literally? every single car on the planet will have some sort of issue down the line. that's no reason not to buy one.

maybe you should read up on what the OTA updates actually entail instead of just saying LOL IT NEEDS UPDATES WHICH MUST BE FIXES CUZ IT'S BROKEN.

Do you think not reading is a substitute for an argument?

retard alert

Why would I get this over a Stinger GT?

maybe, maybe not. 220 miles is the EPA range - 238 for the bolt. The method they use to calculate it is funky.

I'd hold off on seeing the actual watthour/mile measurements at various speeds. Those are what really matter.

So it's not perfect. Good to know.

You said the Bolt doesn't which it clearly does and even more range than a similarly priced 3

don't forget, the long range Model 3 gets 310mi per charge

the Bolt is also slower, is smaller inside, and is ugly as sin. also, the Model 3 is safer than the top of the line Volvo. there's no real comparison.

>So it's not perfect. Good to know.
I'm pretty sure no one ever said it was perfect but you.

>You said the bolt doesn't which it clearly does and even more range than a similarly priced 3
You either didn't read or didn't understand.
The bolt's fast charging infrastructure is much more limited than supercharging.
If you do go 200+ miles in a bolt, you are more than likely stranded with no fast charging on your route. You will literally have to spend hours to charge just to get back.
It DOES literally have 200+ miles of range, but it's essentially limited to one way trips and commuting. Taking a bolt for a 200+ mile trip is retarded.

I wouldn't need the LR 3. That 9k can go to better things. Great deal if you want lots of EV miles though. People complain about the pricing structure of the 3, but compared to the S/X it's a bit reasonable. And they're likely to split the 5k package into separate bits once production ramps up

2nd gen ls400

Your logic about Bolts network vs Supercharger can be applied to Gas vs Supercharger. It's fucking stupid to take Electric cars past their range.

>Yeah let's just pay an electrician a couple thousand so your electric shit box can even function.
Are you retarded?
Your hyperbole aside, this literally isn't an issue for anyone who can afford a tesla

>the long range Model 3 gets 310mi per charge

9,000 shekels option

>utilitarian is bad

off yourself

The difference between fast and slow charging is even bigger than the difference between filling a gas tank and stopping at a fast charging station.
And superchargers reach the threshold where road tripping is viable for someone who isn't insane. Slow charging based road trips are the realm of the crazed and the autistic.

compared to the competition it's pretty good. if the new leaf is 30k w/ 200miles it might be competitive if they can get the cars to people quickly. Nissan has one year to appeal to 400,000 people for them to get a leaf *now* instead of a 3 *later*. After that a big chunk of the 35~k EV market has been gobbled up.

Even with in mind I actually agree with this. Assuming it's a 25kwh option, that would mean that almost all the worth of the car is in the battery. Not so sure about that.

Again the same logic can be applied with gas vs Supercharger. It's mighty autistic to have to take 30 minute minimum breaks every 150 miles. That's stopping every 3 hours maximum.

>Endless almost free fuel

right

Chimp loose from the zoo alert

nothing makes me want to operate a fucking antracite strip mine like teslafags

Assuming it comes in 200mi+ it should be a good Bolt competitor. I really don't think anyone can make an electric Tesla competitor until they join, replicate, or surpass the supercharger network (all pie in the sky right now). Meanwhile Tesla is in a weird quasi realm where it's sort of competing with gas and sort of competing with other electrics but none of the comparisons are 100%

Forget to drop your trip or did you fail "using a mouse" in special ed?

that's true across all EVs. batteries are really expensive. if you try and buy a kWh of batteries for under 400 bucks it's quite hard. The 3 LR gets you a Kwh extra for $360. Something like the powerwall 2.0 gets you a kWh of batteries for $408.

I think it would be plenty popular @ 170miles/$30k too. Someone should do a survey and figure out the optimal milage and cost intercept point for an EV. It clearly isn't the big glob of other brands in the bottom left of

Pretty sure he and Alphonse are actually the same person arguing with himself which is why he screwed up.

Because the Volt is better and cheaper it isn't competing wit the 3 thus
>“The Model 3 Has No Competition”

Keep you warm

ICE cannot compete with electric cars

electricity is the superior form of energy

This is enough damage to cause a fire even after a Tesla approved repair.

electrek.co/2017/03/31/tesla-model-s-fire-manchester-crash/

Electricity is great especially when paired with racing slicks, batteries are on the other hand shit as is Tesla's build quality.

Me too. The Model 3 is the best.

I drive a Volt and the electric torque feels great.

Until there are more than five or six Superchargers within a three state area of me the Tesla is just a rolling gimmick. Hell up in areas of the midwest there might be three charging stations in the entire state and they're either clustered around each other or more than 200 miles apart. I live in a state where I couldn't possibly drive a Tesla from the state capitol to my hometown without plugging it into a power outlet overnight. Also having to stop roughly every couple hours would drive me crazy, good for the company on building a boring electric car but not for this guy.

The interior is absolute garbage but it's a nice step up from your college starter vehicle into your family starter vehicle.

>35k, cheaper depending on the state.
>No gas stops.
>Good safety rating.
>Can haul wife and kids.
>Instant torque means you can still fuck with ricerbois on the way to work.

Decent stuff, decent stuff.

It's probably easier to load large items in the Bolt because of it's larger hatch.

Nissan is bringing two-tone back.

Because they handle like ass in the snow.

Not to mention that salt and snow probably would fuck with these cars worse than an ice car.

I read that electric cars handle better in the snow because of the electronic control of power.

They might handle better than a regular car, but depending on what level of snow and ice you deal with every winter, a regular car handles like was too.

I live in very North new England and if your vehicle doesn't have 4wd, you cannot traverse the roads the majority of the time.

What the actual fuck?

>Other (rarer) occasions, vehicles caught fire without being involved in an accident.

It's fucking hoverboards all over again..

>half hour
As far as i can remember you can get it up to 80% within a couple of minutes which should give you... roughly 180 miles?

Chargers are popping up practically everywhere where i am now, from supermarkets, to shopping mall carparks. Though if more people buy electric cars finding the charging spots in carparks could get harder.

>I live in very North new England and if your vehicle doesn't have winter tires and a non-idiot driver, you cannot traverse the roads the majority of the time.

fixed it

Now it s almost free , but when milions of these shitboxes will be available to the regular joe , the price of charging yout car will reach higher levels

Electric cars are for losers.

If it don't combust, it might as well be bust.