Are you ready for unemployment and civil unrest?

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

are you ready for unemployment and civil unrest?

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Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Yes.

The Helium tank is full.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Too bad they tried this in grocery stores and it's still preferred to have a person.

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

only because most people can't scan produce and robo tills are too cramped for shopping cart sized purchases. i almost always use the self checkout. the line is usually 1/4 or non existent.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

Are you kidding me? Store clerks are fucking annoying compared to self checkout. They force me into useless banter, shove their bonus card advertisement down my throat, and rush me bagging, even though they are already slow as shit processing everything.

askme
askme

Wait until that amazon go thing takes off. It would be infinitely more convenient than dealing with a checkout line.

Everyone will be obsolete. We will live in a society where the vast majority live in absolute poverty, with a tiny elite having their every need fulfilled by robots.

Fuck this I am joining ISIS

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

rush me bagging.

I bagged groceries full time for 4 years. Fucking dare you tonscan faster than i can bag my shit. And properly. Not like these fucking edgy teanagers.

Frozen pizza, bleach, 4 glass jars, same bag.

REEEEEE

JunkTop
JunkTop

Up until that last sentance i agreed with u.

I will fuck your shit uo you fucking camel jockey

w8t4u
w8t4u

My local mcdo has those touchscreen thingies. I much prefer it to standing in line, mentally repeating my order over and over in my head, still fucking it up when I mumble to the cashier, and then awkwardly standing in other people's way while they bring the food.

On the machine? Time to pick what you want and change your mind without everyone thinking youre a sperg, minimum of human interaction. Oh, and it accepts expired coupons.

The McDonald's still has two fuckers on the tills, but now they have more time to bring orders to people's tables and clean in quiet periods. Nobody lost their job. I don't see the problem.

massdebater
massdebater

I always use self checkout. Apparently you're only supposed to use it if you have a few items, but I roll up there with a stacked cart, baby! Then I log all the dirty looks and sighs I get in the spank tank for later.

Methshot
Methshot

jobs aren't going anywhere
we will need people to do jobs for at least the next 30 years

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Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

They had restaurants like this when I went to Japan. You put your money in a vending machine, select your order and go sit down. Then eventually a server comes and brings you your meal. Worked pretty well.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Walmart just installed the self scan checkout near me. I love it. The machines are brand new, super nice, and there are like 5-6 of them. in and out, don't need to wait. love my walmart.

iluvmen
iluvmen

Everyone will be obsolete. We will live in a society where the vast majority live in absolute poverty, with a tiny elite having their every need fulfilled by robots.
My brother and I have been saying this for 2 years and except for a small handful of forward-thinking friends, everyone disagrees. We need to start making preparations for massive technological unemployment. Not "a few thousand jobs lost"; try more like tens of millions.

Automated driving is going to eliminate 3-5 million jobs within 5 years (7 or 8 at the absolute outside).

Automation in fast food is going to destroy another 1-3 million jobs within 5-8 years.

Automation in law, medicine, and other white collar work is going to throw out another 2-5 million jobs before 2030.

Outsourcing is currently and will continue to effectively end hundreds of thousands of jobs every year.

H-1B visa workers effectively eliminate almost a hundred thousand engineering and software (by and large) jobs every year.

Industries like human resources are going to get cut down by web-based, automated HR services. Same with bookkeeping. Same with paper shufflers. It's stuff like that, low or mid-paying jobs, the ones that nobody cares about, that are going to have the biggest effect.

Techpill
Techpill

it just frees up humans to do other jobs, economically illiterate one...

the computer is the single greatest job destroyer there is, but we wouldn't have it any other way, now would we?

companies use to employ millions of people to crunch numbers. but the computer made those jobs obsolete, thank jove.

Methnerd
Methnerd

No because I don't work in fucking retail.

Snarelure
Snarelure

bagger
literal shit tier of grocery
KYS

t. porter from supermarket

Skullbone
Skullbone

We are quickly approaching an economy where the average person will not have a job. People will not be "unemployed"; they will be unemployable. It's not that they don't qualify for the job. The job will just no longer exist.

And I am right on this. We have 7 or 8 years, tops, before technological unemployment starts affecting YOUR day to day life. Individually, you have one option: earn, save, and invest enough money to become financially independent before you lose your job and shit starts hitting the fan. Then you'll still be able to buy food. For a while, at least.

As a society, we have three options. There are no alternatives, and if you can think of one I'd love to hear it.
Option 1: Do nothing. Wait for the labor economy to collapse. Society may not completely fall apart but a whole lot of people will get hurt or killed, rich and poor won't matter. This will cause the most damage to the most people. Life, as you know it, will end.

Option 2: The rich bolster themselves whether through foreign retreats or private security. Wait for the labor economy to collapse. Society falls apart, and the poor (that includes almost all of you, by the way) die from starvation, lack of medical care, or being killed by the wealthy or their hired guardians.

Option 3: Address the issue now. Start working on a basic income system, or another way to keep the unemployable bottom 95% from revolting. The rich continue to live lives you cannot even imagine. The poor continue to live in squalor, but at least they aren't living on the street and have access to basic healthcare. The whole system continues to chug along for the foreseeable future.

I'll say again: these are the only 3 possibilities. I'd put the odds at 95% option 1, 4% option 2, and 1% option 3. If you have any alternatives, I'd love to hear them.

Pic related. Just under half of all working age adults in the US, right now, do not have jobs. This is the highest it's been since we started keeping track in 1975.

Evilember
Evilember

This is the highest it's been since we started keeping track in 1975.
And, in fact, likely the highest it's been since the great depression. Another fun fact: it's getting worse.

Just like cars freed up horses to do other jobs?

honestly thinks that he'll be unaffected by the 50% of his city's population being unemployable
You get a pass if you're over 40, because boomers are retarded about this.

Firespawn
Firespawn

Government will never allow that kind of automation because it'd mean a horrific recession or violent civil war. Regulatory bodies will never approve self-driving cars because while pople are proven to be okay with people in trucks killing people, they'll never accept robotic vehicles killing people to be okay not even once or twice a week.

Self-driving cars is a joke considering the liability risk. That programmer or it's paymaster will be liable for every car accident in the world, instead of individuals.

Mostly right about the other things. I feel like most people won't like vending-machine made burgers, but who knows.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

I don't live in a city, faggot.

Also, you need to stop listening to Alex Jones. Good luck replacing sales reps.

StonedTime
StonedTime

It will be interesting to see how the government handles automated driving regulation. I can assure you that job security will not even enter their thoughts, let alone discussions, however.

Good luck replacing sales reps.
All 3 or 4 million of them. Sales reps won't matter when 60% of the workforce doesn't have a job.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

You do realize self driving cars have a virutally emmaculate record right?

And banning new tech is anti-free market so they wont dare piss the corporations off.

The automation is coming and without plans for UBI so is pic related. Better get ready.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

Basic income is coming.

Soft_member
Soft_member

Yes, liabiity is the main reason and most gov'ts say 'Self-driving vehicles are okay if there is still a human driver in nominal control." like auto-piloted jets, still need a pilot to blame if something goes wrong.

But with a million auto-driving trucks on the road, much more likely to crash, jack-knife or destroy people or property than planes, it won't be economical to employ an expensive auto-pilot with a crazy discoball of sensors AND a fucking obese truck driver. They'll just have the truck driver do everything since he's liable anyways.

So GoogleDrive steers that 8 wheeler through St. Louis with a cargo full of hydrazine for the next moon mission and drives straight into a crowd of people demonstrating on a bridge closed off by police barrier when the driver is asleep for lack of anything better to do. They'll probably sue Google, not the truck driver.

OR something. Until the law changes so that robots and the people who maintain, design and build them are absolutely faultless for accidents, then maybe. Consider that trains are not even run by robots even though that's a hundred times simpler than a car or truck maneuvering down the interstate at 65mph or trying to fucking back a trailer up to a door or parallel park.

So even if self-driving cars reduce traffic deaths from 10,000 a year to 5,000 a year, you won't have 5000 thank-you letters, but rather 5000 lawsuits filed.

iluvmen
iluvmen

Veeky Forums attempts to understand /g/level tech

Stay in your lane, dude.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

stay in your lane
In what way? I'm an electrical engineer.

Typically, cars won't be driving around empty. That aspect may take longer to legislate, but the standard "get in my car and it takes me somewhere" is going to be easy to make law, and several states already have it.

Also trains haven't been automated because there are under 38,000 locomotive engineers in the US. It wouldn't be cost effective (yet) to automate that, since trains usually only operate with 1 or 2 crew members.

I hope so, however:

I expect you're right.

SniperGod
SniperGod

Those train engineers get paid serious bank though. Truck drivers do not.

Nobody is going to buy a system complex and precise enough to handle a huge truck around to replace some Cleetus that makes 0.17 a mile.

They'll buy one to replace that old guy pulling 6 figures to sleep on a train though.

Freight trains are the canary in the mine. The easiest, best funded, most logical, least liable place where a vehicle controller will be replaced by a machine. Not trucks, not cars. Trains get easy permission to kill people. They can only honk a horn and try to stop if something is in the way. Also if it is splattered, it's always considered the fault of whatever was on the tracks. A robot can do that easily. IF you ever drove in your life, you'd notice the roads are not quite as simple.

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

How much money should I be making to remain safe?

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

Your driver costs at least 30k a year, what do you think will an upgrade to automatic driving cost? They will get a profit in the first year already.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

I'm ready for basic income

Corpos need consumers

The govt will give us monies lol

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Wait, are you trying to say that computers can't drive as well as humans?

Also yes, automated driving systems are relatively expensive (and will make up a decent portion of the cost of the car or truck) but... not that expensive. The full autonomy system on the 2017 Tesla Model S is $10,000. That's, what, maybe 3 months pay for an entry level truck driver? The breakeven period on automated driving systems is already well under a year, otherwise Uber wouldn't be dumping hundreds of millions into research.

It's not how much you should be making, it's how much you should have invested. Remember, your job is at stake but the money you already have is not. How much do you earn now? How much are your expenses every year?

And that's 30k for the absolute newest, least skilled, lowest paid trucker in the fleet. More experienced drivers can earn 70-100k.

I certainly hope so.

Nojokur
Nojokur

No, user, the gov't will just exterminate you if they no longer need you. Why would the elites buy you a welfare check if they know they'd make more money if you were dead?

Labor might be infinite in the future, but natural resources will still be finite. You'd be correctly seen as a parasite and justifiably removed from consideration.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

Whats really going to happen is closest to 2. This is actually a new process of survival of the fittest currently taking place. We have so many useless unnecessary humans and the objective truth is that they need to die and not exist. There is no reason for them.

I could be one of them, im not that particulary useful. And "useful" also includes your resources, this is not just genetic natural selection.

There will be many revolts and many poor people will die and the human population will decrease. Technology will continue and those that can keep up will maintain a relativly good life.

Its nature and life at work creating a more complex version of its self in its unending cycle.

Sir_Gallonhead
Sir_Gallonhead

The SkyTrain in Vancouver has been fully automated since it was created in 1982. The trains have never crashed (though they do get confused sometimes and then every train stops, forcing an army of translink employees to walk down the tracks and verifiy their positions).

askme
askme

How does it feel to have completely wasted 4 years of your life

likme
likme

Digged deeper looking at the classification rules.Result:

It's worse than it looks, those numbers consider people who did some work during the year employed . Formely jobs done by a fulltime employe are split into 2 parttime jobs where neither can live well enough from the cash but also doesn't count for unemployment. Basically if you looked at workhours/person over the years we would see marianas trench opening up.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Being a Prole seems pretty comfy desu
Looking forward to being issued my animes from PornSec

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

What if you're a robotics/mechatronics engineer with a master in embedded systems, and automation is your bread and butter :^)

TechHater
TechHater

Obvious communism. Basic income makes everyone dependant thanks Soros.

The people will find other jobs to do, the machines will free them up to do so. Like every time people have worried about this before. See Luddite

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

workhours/person
Dang, I've never thought to look for that.

I knew they've been redefining what "unemployed" means (particularly by lowering the barrier for "unemployed" to turn into "no longer in the labor force") but I had no idea they were fudging employed numbers too. Thanks user.

the people will find other jobs to do
Just like how the 12 million people who lost their jobs in 2008 found other jobs to do? Oh wait.

Methnerd
Methnerd

Option 2 wont happen. At least not in america. Even the poor are heavily armed here and when you combine that with starvation you've quite literally created the most dangerous fearless force on the planet.

The wealthy wont stand a chance.

PackManBrainlure
PackManBrainlure

Maybe for boomers

Self checkout is infinitively faster

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

meanwhile rich youtubers and instagramers will continue cucking wagecucks even after wagecucks get cucked by robots just at this scam called life

TechHater
TechHater

Retaliation against robots is not hard - you are unemployed, angry an have nothing to do, so you go out with your unemployed friends and shoot down drones all day, throw rocks at Mcdonalds robo cashiers, riot and burn places down. You don't care because in jail you'll at least get a free meal once a day, something you rarely get now that you don't have a job and never will. People will begin dying of hunger in the streets, and robots will be as resented as any immigrant population that is replacing the native population - only murdering them is destruction of property and not murder. I yearn for the day this happens, because that will be the day that people wake up and retaliate against the technological system.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

What are future proofed jobs? I think private tutor is quite safe. Private tutoring has always been the place rich people spend their money. So long as they have kids.

Nojokur
Nojokur

Wont happen. Because technological advancement has no brakes.

Civilization is going through a change right now. We are experiencing what is essentially another industrial revolution.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

A lot of things were thought of as eternal right up until the people burned them down.
Anyway, this is not happening right now in any case, touch screen robots are not what will replace humans. The reaction I have described will happen over and over again, until robots can actually provide any and all needs for all humans - if robots are even legal at this point.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

Also the industrial revolution was a mistake

Flameblow
Flameblow

I bet you scan your items, leave them on the scale, pay and thrn spend an extra 5 minutes bagging up too.

Cunt.

FastChef
FastChef

Do you morons not realize that jobs have automated by machines for like the past 180 years? Go read David Ricardo on the subject.

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Not an argument
When we are living in the age of artificial intelligence

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

We need to start making preparations for massive technological unemployment.
Have them join the army to genocide themselves in the next pointless war. Problem solved.

MPmaster
MPmaster

You had me but you lost me mate
Automation in law, medicine, and other white collar work is going to throw out another 2-5 million jobs before 2030.
Automated Law? Fucking idiotic. No one would EVER allow a fucking robot to dish out justice. It isn't human nature. Same thing with medicine.
Industries like human resources are going to get cut down by web-based, automated HR services.
HUMAN resources? You think human resources is going to turn automated? Either you don't know what it is or you're retarded.

Transportation (90%)
Service Industry (80%)
Construction (40%)
Coding (70%)
Gone. A certain percentage of human intervention will always be needed.

cum2soon
cum2soon

Automated Law? Fucking idiotic. No one would EVER allow a fucking robot to dish out justice. It isn't human nature. Same thing with medicine.

I think you miss the point, automated law doesn't mean robot judges, but when dealing with large volumes of documents, contracts etc. you could use a machines to significantly reduce the manpower needed to sort through all of those thing.

askme
askme

Also trains haven't been automated because there are under 38,000 locomotive engineers in the US. It wouldn't be cost effective (yet) to automate that, since trains usually only operate with 1 or 2 crew members.

Trains haven't been automated because even with automation you still need a person there to make sure the shit doesn't fuckup, and when it does fuckup (and it will) they take over. You will always have to pay a person. As someone who works around automation, that shit breaks and doesn't work as intended all the time.

Self driving cars/trucks is a meme and faggots on this board are investing in it. There will only ever be assist technology like self parking cars.

Snarelure
Snarelure

hurrr durrr truck drivers only drive and don't fill out paperwork, change flat tires, pump fuel.
Will they also automate the changing of flat tires? It's moronic to think that they will ever replace the person within our lifetimes and lifetimes of our kids kids.

Emberfire
Emberfire

When we are living in the age of artificial intelligence
People have been saying that for a longgggg time

SniperGod
SniperGod

Automation is going to hit middle class professions hardest next.

Working in finance? Insurance? Anything that just requires you sitting at a desk? Say bye bye to your job.

StonedTime
StonedTime

They were saying and it came.

Again not an argument
Why pay some guy $50k a year to do menial shit and you gotta pay him benefits and retirement when you can just deploy a robot to do all that.

The only stand against automation is ridiculously cheap labor like UBER.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

automation in medicine by 2030

What will thery change in 10 years time? Getting good enough speech to text to eliminate scribes? Complete automation with signing up for an appointment? A little do it yourself vitals taker?

idontknow
idontknow

why would there be no jobs?
Obviously manual jobs will be automated but the rest wont. Computers are pretty dumb. Also there will be more new jobs that doesnt exist today yet.

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

It's coming once the current old geezer generation dies, so about 20 years from now

There are self checkouts, bank cashier's, subway ticket stations, etc everywhere but old timers prefer humans because technology is scary and confusing

Once tech savvy people are the norm, then boom, we'll get unemployment skyrocket, then minimum wage decreased to improve unemployment rates and general benefits and labour security loses

SomethingNew
SomethingNew

Because AI systems are that incredibly complex that they are capable of doing white collar work more efficiently than a human, for longer hours without too much cost.

Consider a few days ago an AI beat the crap out of poker world champions. An AI could learn when to bluff, when it was being bluffed, when to take risks and so on. It's harder than chess or go, because it's not just probabilities, there are many more variables, which require decisions.

You say computers are dumb only because you are not looking for AI development. Google it and be surprised how much advanced it got.

Snarelure
Snarelure

What do you think the last eight years has been, asshole?

Jobs report today was stellar. MAGA

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

The only stand against automation is ridiculously cheap labor like UBER.

Not really. Uber found the magic formula to make workers pay and maintain the required tools for the job, essentially passing the marginal cost to the worker, not being liable for whatever workers does while doing the job and in case of accident not having to pay for damages because it's not a labour relation (despite that in reality it is) but a civil one

Uber cannot be replicated elsewhere and in fact is completely detrimental for the workers interest in general.

Imagine a construction company that requires his workers to bring their tools, pay the materials ,cranes, trucks, engineering studies, architect design, paperwork, etc. And also demands from them a fee to be able to work and use their company name, but no suit or security stuff are given, just an app that tells them what to do next.

FastChef
FastChef

Automated Law?
Whoops, meant automated law as in lawyers, legal document preparation, and discovery for court cases. NOT robot police officers (hopefully).

Same thing with medicine.
Again, the clerical and logistical aspects of medicine, not "okay we're gonna have DoctorBot5000 operate on you today! It's his first trial, good luck!"

Human resources
Companies like Zenefits are built entirely around other companies reducing their HR positions.

you could use a machines to significantly reduce the manpower needed
THIS is the main point with all this automation stuff. It doesn't *completely* eliminate jobs in a given sector, it just massively increases the amount of work a single person can do. Look at automated factories: You still have 5 or 6 technicians making sure all the robots in the factory are working, but those 5 or 6 technicians replaced two or three hundred assembly line workers.

Self driving cars/trucks is a meme and faggots on this board are investing in it. There will only ever be assist technology like self parking cars.
user the dumb dumb has a bad opinion and gets his sour butthole blasted
I very seriously hope you're still around 5-6 years from now, after automated driving has completely removed Uber from the employment pool and it becomes the norm for people to get in their cars, press a button, and show up at Taco Bell without ever touching a pedal or steering wheel.

user, you're just wrong. And you're probably young enough that you'll see how wrong you are.

This.

They passed all the costs onto the driver and it will STILL be cheaper to automate. Humans are incredibly expensive when compared to machines and computers.

Nojokur
Nojokur

be cursed to work until retirement using up all my good years on pointless bullshit
some little shit born today might only have to work for 10 years or less before the post job society kicks in

I feel like the most cucked person alive

Supergrass
Supergrass

My job will not be automatized in my lifetime.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

be cursed to work until retirement using up all my good years on pointless bullshit
You don't. Look up Mr Money Mustache. There is no reason you can't retire in 10-15 years.

likme
likme

They passed all the costs onto the driver and it will STILL be cheaper to automate. Humans are incredibly expensive when compared to machines and computers.

Yes, I agree, I was pointing out that you said Uber like jobs was the only stand against automation, I say no since it really can't be implemented anywhere else.

Automation cannot be beaten by regular workers on competition, not.even decreasing their security and wages like in China. The only way is to regulate it, imposing minimum human contracts in companies to avoid full unemployment rates and riots.

Techpill
Techpill

Automated driving is going to eliminate 3-5 million jobs within 5 years (7 or 8 at the absolute outside).

Do you really believe this? My fucking roomba can't even handle cleaning my whole floor, it gets confused.

Methshot
Methshot

Another day another failure.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

Automated driving systems are way more efficient and safer than a human one, but it's not happening that soon. In 5 years is going to be a thing, but it's gonna take 20 to be the norm everywhere

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Another day another failure.

using the Chinks as an example of innovation.

You realize 75% of Chinese businesses are pure vaporware designed to scam investors.

None of those Chinks care if their product works or fails.

Supergrass
Supergrass

Dammit Wilbur we still can't take off and fly! We should quit now.before we bankrupt!
Have some faith Orville, we'll be able to take off like Santos Dumont did in France!

Imagine if everyone quit after the first attempt, shit would.never get done

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

American Liberal Labor Unions:

"Pay us our arbitrarily high wages, our fat benefit packages, our unsustainable Pensions, or else WE WILL STRIKE AND HOLD YOUR BUSINESS AND CUSTOMERS HOSTAGE!!

Jeff Bezos
"loloolololololloololloolloolololololololloloololol"
:MiddleFinger:

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

Okay, so what trades are "safe"? Like, I am thinking about going back for plumbing. Is it good choice or not?

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

Chefs are safe i suppose....

likme
likme

False premise desu. Imagine some workers in the industrial revolution saying there'll be no jobs because these damn tractors are going to eliminate 90% of farming jobs. They did. But they didn't realize the jobs that people would eventually have didn't even exist yet. So instead of talking about civil unrest, you should focus on thinking about what kind of jobs will be needed in the future, especially the ones aren't here yet, and how you can profit off them.

WebTool
WebTool

Oh fuck, they actually made this thing?

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

But is right.
The Luddite's had every right to be terrified. As do you. But something new came.
That's the 4th option your neglecting to mention.

Think about it. The concept of a software programmer or a mechanic or an airline pilot would have been just crazy to them. Similarly there's jobs kids leaving college today will be doing in their 40's that we can't comprehend

King_Martha
King_Martha

Google IBM Watson friendo

girlDog
girlDog

Trades?
Very few.
You want a job where you make subjective, professional judgement calls. On a frequent basis.
So management is a +
But things like service technicians for machines
Assurance and consulting services

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

Repair & maintenance

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Look at your roomba's price. Of course it can't do shit. Car automation needs about 10k in hardware. Your roomba just lacks the sensors and cpu to perform better.

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

you forgot social media manager and search engine optimization consultant

oh and, pedophilia apologist

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

i always use the self checkout if i can. there is usually no line up, plus i prefer not to talking to the staff and i don't like them looking at my food.

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Plus the staff pack like shit considering they literally do it for a living

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Those Amazon robots look fake.

NO WAY they can use robots to run a warehouse. Warehouses will always need a human touch.

Stark_Naked
Stark_Naked

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH people are making money for things I subjectively find silly LATE STAGE CAPITALISM MARX WAS RIIIIIGGHHHHTTT

Can /leftypol/ stop shilling here pls?

MPmaster
MPmaster

instead of four people on the shift

now we can have.... two guys in the back cooking, one guy to help people use the machines / fix errors with the machines / take orders from people who don't want to use it... and one guy working the drive thru

oh and a guy who goes around fixing the kiosks in a given area

yeah, they just took the human beings out of it!!!

Spamalot
Spamalot

pretty sure the way this system works is that instead of having pickers walk aisles and aisles of products, the aisles just rearrange themselves, effectively, to make picking more efficient

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

AI-completeness is an insurmountable challenge to current robotics.

Without strong AI, there will always be jobs for humans. Strong AI is liable to be many decades if not centuries away.

hairygrape
hairygrape

I worked in a Volvo replacement parts warehouse that stocks millions of parts for about 4 years and there's a lot of the process you can't automate based on the irregular shape and weight of a lot of items.

Now picking books on the other hand... Those Amazon cuck wageslaves are pretty much done. I imagine they could easily get rid of a huge percentage of their personnel if they manage to automate their top 1000 best sellers.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

I just finished reading that article, imagine using that thing on a tournament, you'd win.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

The government doesn't really have a say in it when Pro-business Republicans are in control. Regulation on profits is heresy.
Enjoy your future unemployment.

w8t4u
w8t4u

No those are definitely real. The helper bots go out and fetch the shelves, then bring them to human sorters who pick the right products and put them in a box.

Robots cost pennies a day in electricity. Humans cost $10/hour, minimum.

Nobody is saying anything about humans being entirely replaced. And you don't need anywhere near complete replacement to have a societal upheaval. Anything more than about 40% real unemployment (it's around 32% right now, btw) and we'll start to see major social issues.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

Strong AI will seek to destroy itself given the opportunity. I worked in AI for 3 years.

They've created strong AIs for years, problem is they keep killing themselves and cannot figure out how to stop that, lmao.

Techpill
Techpill

most realistic scenario in the thread

Its amazing how many ignorant fuckers think their base need to consume fulfills any sort of positive economic benefit or threat to somebody with 20,000 acres, a 3d printer facillity and a robot army. The future is nothing but robots and their royal owners.

RumChicken
RumChicken

But it isn't. Time it. A human is faster.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

Option 4: We become a technocracy where your worth is what new information you discover/ create for your private firm/corporate overlord.

Other plebs are used for occupying space bases, or coding AIs. You can get a machine to teach itself poker. But I can't see a computer teaching itself to teach itself.

All we need to do is to more broadly commoditize information with a new financial system set up for it, while still maintaining a basic skill set for the plebs. Mental serfdom is shitty, but it beats starvation.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

I'M READY FOR THEM BURGERS TO BE CHEAPER THAN EVER

Lunatick
Lunatick

Strong AI will seek to destroy itself given the opportunity
they keep killing themselves and cannot figure out how to stop that
That's some strong dystopian feels

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

I always feel a little pissed that I have to bag my own groceries like a serf.

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

machines cause unemployment

luddites get out

King_Martha
King_Martha

Amazonian here

They're real
We use them for everything

Example

You remember when you're on Amazon and it says "Other customers also looked at..." on the middle of the webpage?

Ya that's how we sort our inventory on those robots aka Kiva Bots.

You'll see a dildo next to a box of crayons, 'cause mommy wants to feel good while Jonni enjoys coloring in the play pen.

We literally stand in one spot and these bots come to us, then other employees restock the bots at inbound.

That simple
That ez

[spoiler]Humanz no moar [/spoiler]

Spamalot
Spamalot

Hey guys have you heard of this thing called the wheel? Well now there will be no jobs left for people who carry shit, what are we going to do? UBI is the literally the only thing that can save us

Soft_member
Soft_member

Now picking books on the other hand.
Aren't books themselves over and done with thanks to kindle?

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

The wheel

Lmao

That's never going to be reinvented xDD

likme
likme

imposing minimum human contracts in companies
fucking diversity quotas...

Techpill
Techpill

They've created strong AIs for years, problem is they keep killing themselves and cannot figure out how to stop that

AI Psychologist, Psychiatrist or Councillor.

There's a job for you.

TreeEater
TreeEater

Nope.
Pulp books yes.
But I think they're going the way they were in the Medieval Ages where they became crafts-items for conspicuous consumption.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Also, imo, it feels good being a conduit of Chad.
When machine's rule, fleshbags will still prefer and hire attractive fleshbags.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

The answer is Communism my friend.

Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

Going the suicide route, eh? Good choice user

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Uk had these for about ten years. And MCds touch screens don't accept cash only card. Last time I went there was 4 machines and no1 was using then but the que had about 5 ppl in them.

5mileys
5mileys

Ai and automation will be like farming for every sector of the future. There's still farmers but a few men with their machines can farm miles of land that use to take hundreds of workers.

likme
likme

IF this kind of wide-spread automation is so competitive againast conventional business, why didn't it already happen?

The technology we have now isn't fundamentally different than what was around 20 years ago.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

wich is the strongest most bestest etf for all of this

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

It's okay, all those burger flippers can learn how to fix the machines.

StonedTime
StonedTime

I prefer using self-checkout for small volume or personal stuff (basket of groceries, bank atm vs teller).

I prefer an associate for large volumes and ancillary services (a cart of groceries and bagging groceries, getting money in a specific denominations, specific food modifiers at restaurants).

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

I live in midwest farmland. How prevalent is automated driving right now? I sometimes hear about (i think) teslas driving themselves in california?

takes2long
takes2long

Initial investment in the technology is a barrier to entry
Consumer/shareholder demands
Union demands
Litigation in some cases e.g. driverless cars
Plus old fashioned fear and ignorance

Once the tech is there, tried and tested, and at a low enough price point, we'll see a critical mass where the paradigm shift happens. Online shopping used to be a new, scary frontier that some retailers assumed the average customer wouldn't trust, understand, or need. Starting a retail business in 2017 with no digital channel would be suicide. Shit changes rapidly and today's normal is yesterday's crazy fad.

massdebater
massdebater

The technology we have now isn't fundamentally different than what was around 20 years ago.

D'ohohoho

Broadband internet
Wi-Fi
Cloud data
Biometrics

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

IF this kind of wide-spread automation is so competitive againast conventional business, why didn't it already happen?

I.... what?

If cellphones are so competitive against landlines, why didn't everyone have a cellphone in 1996? If VR headsets are so great, why didn't it happen in 2002?

Can you see why that doesn't make any sense?

Methnerd
Methnerd

Veeky Forums needs to factor in its own bias. I'm not saying automation isn't going to continue or have a big effect on the job market. But you have to admit, you guys overestimate the likelihood of revolutions, so to speak, because paradigm shifts often create the biggest opportunities for making money.

So, you crave destruction and burning because it means the market will fly one way or another and that's what you're always hoping for.

Fwiw, I'm not trying to insult you here.

Firespawn
Firespawn

VTI. Total US market. Probably also put 30-40% of your investments in international funds. Just google the Bogleheads Lazy 3 Fund Portfolio.

The gist of it is "can't bankrupt everyone"; diversification is safety.

Currently: the Tesla Model S (and a handful of other companies, but Tesla's the most advanced by far) can drive itself on freeways. It won't drive itself *to* the highway and it won't drive itself off the highway, but while you're on it, you set autopilot and it stays in your lane and keeps a safe distance from cars around you. Hands off the wheel, feet off the pedals, the car just goes.

Within the next year or two (can't remember their exact timeline): Teslas with the proper sensor package, available as an option on the 2017 models, will receive an update for "Level 4 Autonomy" which means full self-driving capability. As in, get in your car and say "Take me to Taco Bell" and then without touching anything other than your seatbelt, 10 minutes later you arrive at Taco Bell.

In terms of prevalence, I think Teslas are still only a tiny fraction of a percent of all road-fairing vehicles. When the Model 3 starts shipping in 2018, with its ~$30,000 price tag, you can expect to see a lot more self-drive-capable cars on the road. And it'll only continue to increase.

In my opinion, self-driving will become standard on *all* vehicles within 8-10 years. It'll become as common as cell phones, or air conditioning in cars.

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

I have been eagerly awaiting for 50% of the people fo the world to become obsolete for years now.
It really pisses me off because the change is incredibly slow and we have had the technology for a while.
Jobs like fucking accounting still exist and are careers, and you have to fucking pay accountants for their trivially automated shit, pisses me off.
What I'm most hyped about is lab grown meat though.

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

But you have to admit, you guys overestimate the likelihood of revolutions

I work in an industry that supports the AI industry.

The general, non-technical Layman is dramatically UNDERESTIMATING the capabilities of robotics and AI.

It's not the coming of AI that's scary. It's the general ignorance of the workers and consumers.

Those underestimating the capabilities of automation, instead of trying to learn it and harness it, will be the ones left behind.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

accounting

Accounting is one of the easier tasks to automate with AI. Anything rules & logic based is trainable over time.

AI is even nearing the point where it will handle complex "soft" skills like project management.

All those corporate "collaboration" tools you hear that's hot in tech? Cisco spark? Slack? etc. They are starting to have built in AI that can automate basic project management tasks.

The days of $100k salaries for a project manager are numbered.

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

Project managers are a strange beast, I'm not too sure about that, mostly given how the industry will pay extra for things as retarded as being a "certified scrum master".
If it becomes easier, all the better, most projects are managed like shit, as the manager plays some strange role of fortune teller, designer, skill appraisser, and nanny

cum2soon
cum2soon

most projects are managed like shit

And they easily make 120k+ in the valley... so plenty of incentive to automate.

In most companies, PjM's are basically glorified note takers & schedulers. They aren't the decision makers nor the controllers.

They are easily replacable.

& lol @ scrum master, aka Post-It Note Taker.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

Neither of you really know what accountants do. I'd even hazard a guess that neither of you aren't in management or back office.
If it was that easy to automate, the corporate world would have adopted en masse it already.

Flameblow
Flameblow

If it was that easy to automate, the corporate world would have adopted en masse it already.
They already did, long ago. Thing is, regulations require that an actual accountant signs that stuff for certain types of corporations. My company literally sends the software books to the accounting firm, they do fucking nothing relevant, accept legal responsability about the books being correct or whatever, and cash a check.

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

The legal red tape is the only thing the Accountants have left to protect their jobs...

Sad that it kind of reminds me of how Labor Unions create unnecessary complexities & regulations just to try to protect their jobs, only to hasten their own demise in the end...

King_Martha
King_Martha

Lol no. People have been saying automation will take over accounting soon for about ten years now and nothing has changed. It in fact appears that it created even more jobs. Accounting is not simply bookkeeping. And the value of an audit is not for you or for anyone in management but for the equity owner. And if you can automate the interpretation of tax and business law, I'd love to see it happen.
Seriously, if you aren't in accounting or a related field, your opinion literally means nothing. You sound like a smug nerd from IT.

Bidwell
Bidwell

You sound like a smug nerd from IT.

lol close.

All the accountants think, "it hasn't happened for 10 years, it won't happen".

That's silly.

And yes, it starts with the basic ops before it can learn to do more... one thing there is plenty of in accounting, is data... and AI needs massive amounts of data to perfect itself.

The industry is basically set up for AI training.

idontknow
idontknow

The fuck am I looking at here?

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

Chinks scamming Chinks.

Traffic-Straddling Bus a Total Scam According to Chinese State Media

"Two Chinese state media outlets have claimed that the whole TEB project is actually a scam to extract funds from investors."

popularmechanics.com/technology/infrastructure/a22203/transit-elevated-bus-scam/

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

That's just a disaster waiting to happen

Methshot
Methshot

barely the clearance for an SUV, not even trucks
straddles 2 lanes in China, where people have no concept of lanes

I don't know what the fuck the investors were thinking when they saw the design.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

I love self checkout at grocery stores.

I love getting expensive fruit/nuts and putting in the cheap codes to save insane $$$.

$10 bag of pistachios? No problem, that'll be $2.

MPmaster
MPmaster

The idea is actually great. The problem is the chink execution of it

Bidwell
Bidwell

Just like cars freed up horses to do other jobs?

Yes. Horses used their free time dancing, and and 27 years after the first Mercedes left the line, a horse won an Olympic gold medal for dressage.

iluvmen
iluvmen

Why not save your money and go to college for a STEM field that can't get automated and be employed doing R&D?

Or get into entertainment that can't be automated? Or organic marketing? Or complex services that can't get automated like plumbing?

Inmate
Inmate

But with a million auto-driving trucks on the road, much more likely to crash, [...]
In europe they "motivate" people to use public mass transportation systems (i.e. they make it more and more expensive to drive your own car). Taxation through the backdoor.
If they succeed (e.g. 20% less cars) the less likely becomes this scenario you mentioned. But you're right too: there will be more and more accidents with self driving vehicles involved.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

if you use a loyalty card or credit card they can eventually catch you regardless of how careful you are user. Even if you only use cash if your machine gets an error and they notice they will review video records to see if you did it before.

t.security detail

Nojokur
Nojokur

instead of trying to learn it and harness it

I understand in a 10 - 20 year time period you could benefit from learning AI stuff.

But what about in 20+ years when we have AI with a 2000+ IQ on every phone?

How can any human make money and benefit when the AI on our phones is making decisions we simply cant comprehend?

Nobody will "own" the AI, you simply can't own an entity that much more intelligent than yourself. Like an ant owning Steve Jobs.

Adding to this it will self enhance and cause an intelligence explosion.

Where do I step in and grab me some money?

There's just no way.

I can't believe I was born at the birth of AI, the future is going to be so fucking weird.

I can't contain my fear. We will live forever, have access to extremely compelling simulations/games capable of making us feel things only drugs could before.

Perhaps we will all have a neural-lace that allows us to augment our own brain power, and even experience consciousness on level higher than we do now. The same difference between an ant + a human.

Hold me.

5mileys
5mileys

not wanting to talk to people
stay poor

It's a great concept, but the result remains to be seen.

mentally repeating my order over and over in my head, still fucking it up when I mumble to the cashier

Dude what

Like I mentioned above, having a person is much quicker. Take a mental note next time and compare how long each method takes you. Human is about 1/2 the time.

automation is gonna take over guys

I post this all the time: Planes have been automated since the 1980's. Flying a plane from A to B is a pretty simple process. Much less complicated than driving a car. Yet we still need pilots. Why? Because there are still a million situations that you need a human brain to assess stimuli, react to it, and improvise a solution.

We are a long way off from a computer that can do what the human brain can do. Veeky Forums greatly underestimates just how complex the human brain is and the amount of information it takes in and reacts to.

Next time you take a little drive, consider every little thing that happens and how you react to it and make decisions. Then consider the capability of a computer to do the same.

plus i prefer not to talking to the staff and i don't like them looking at my food

Jesus I need to get off this board.

One of the reasons I prefer a human cashier, someone else bags my groceries.

In my experience a human is faster in all cases, small or large number of items.

Shoplifting is not a fun charge to get arrested with user. "I made a mistake" is not an excuse. Take a look at the cameras next time you check out.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

You do realize self driving cars have a virutally emmaculate record right?
Actually, they have a worse record.
usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2015/10/31/study-self-driving-cars-accidents/74946614/
B-BUT THE ACCIDENTS ARE JUST FENDER BENDERS
When all your tests are ran in ideal conditions with the car traveling 5mph under the speed limit, that isn't impressive.
B-BUT THE TECH WILL GET BETTER
We've had self-driving tech since 1970s, we perfected it in the early 2000s (drones anyone?), it isn't going to get better in the next ten years.

I hate to burst your bubble, I want self-driving cars as well, but my experience in the field of machine learning has made me a lot more realistic about these outcomes.

You end-of-the-worlders and UBI-fags are just playing into the media's hand.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

Honestly I use self checkout exclusively as a young single bachelor in a big city.
I can take my time and pack as slowly as I like.
Dont have to talk to anybody.
Never has a line.
Comfy as heck
Can use up all my small change without resorting to a coinstar which eats 8%

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

Because there are still a million situations that you need a human brain to assess stimuli, react to it, and improvise a solution.

You are not aware of the bleeding edge of AI development.

Google's car is LITERALLY (as in the proper meaning) safer than every single human on the planet.

This is not a trivial matter.

AI can now massively outperform humans in tasks as complicated and dangerous as driving.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

I only get like type and colored produce that are packaged beside one another.

Mostly peppers for cooking.

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

Let me know when I can go buy an automated car, hit "drive" and it will take me to work.

Oh never you say? That's right, never.

That reality is 30 years off or more.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

Literally (as in the proper meaning) wrong.
See

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

What I find even more hilarious is that people think that because self-help kiosks are popping up more, self-driving cars must be "right around the corner".
Like the fact that a touchscreen, Windows Embedded, and some app made in Winforms means that we are all going to be replaced by robots in two weeks cracks me the fuck up.
L-l-uddite
I work in machine learning, it has fantastic outcomes when it's domain driven, but it has a lot of limitations.

StrangeWizard
StrangeWizard

Singularity brother. I'm so ready to live forever as a bionic and explore the stars.
I've thought about getting my PhD in Artificial intelligence. I hope we create create a sentient AI with morals.

iluvmen
iluvmen

these people are acting like conveinient automation systems being used means AI is going to replace fucking engineers. the only automation you'll have at a desk job for the next 50 years is software that still requires a human brain to operate

hairygrape
hairygrape

Sure as shit am. Are you?

Playboyize
Playboyize

driverless-future.com/?page_id=384

All major car companies saying ~2020
BTFO stay poor

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

I would argue that with sentient AI available in the next 20-30 years, it'll be the last thing man invents.

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

How are they cucking wage cucks? Legitimate question, I don't see your point. To me, youtube is no different than tv or any other form of cheap entertainment/distraction.

DeathDog
DeathDog

Drivers don't change flats most of the time. Paper work, sure, but that assumes the process of signing for receipt and whatnot isn't automated, too. Most of the other paperwork drivers perform is logging miles and drive time, etc. for regulatory purposes. Without drivers, logging wouldn't be as necessary, and most drive time computers obstacles in the cab already automate a large portion of that drive logging.

AwesomeTucker
AwesomeTucker

Appointment setup is already largely automated.

Virtuwell and other virtual health services are already in use as well, and are poised to grow exponentially as they're cheaper than office visits, and are done over the computer, so you don't have to leave the house when sick.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Four people is a skeleton crew for most fast food places I've been. Most of them have four cookers, and then 2-3 cashiers working (2 at the front, one at the drive through).

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

I've got news for you; dick sucking machines exist and have existed for a while, and the other half of your job can be performed by a literal butt-shaped chunk of silicone with a hole in it. You're already obsolete, you just don't realize it yet.

farquit
farquit

I see attitudes on this have shifted; I called this out on here like a year ago and got lambasted in a 'wut job should I do' thread because I called them glorified meeting schedulers back when this scrum shit was being hyped as the next big development strategy.

Good to see others are beginning to recognize these tools for what they are; a waste of air and money.

happy_sad
happy_sad

aready there.

Bidwell
Bidwell

going to coinstar
Are you a nigger or an immigrant from the third world? Do you not have a bank account?

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

wtf thats a new form of jewery

i bring my coins to the bank at the Weltspartag
its a day the kids come with their piggy banks
and get their coins counted for free and added to their saving acount
i still bring my coins theire bcs there is no age restriction
last year i turned 300€ coins in
its a lose for the bank bcs normaly you have to pay them for counting coins

whereismyname
whereismyname

Because they get paid more money for doing less work. If you can even call what they do "work".

Honestly wagecucks better start thinking of new ways to make money because, unless you're a brain surgeon or something, you'll likely be made redundant in the next couple of decades.

Supergrass
Supergrass

Kinda reminds me of those school videos in the 1950's:

"By the 1980's we will certainly have full colonies on the moon!"

Let's try a few examples shall we:

A kid is playing in his front lawn. The kid loses his ball, and it begins tumbling toward the street. A human slows down, because the human is predicting the unaware kid will run into the street
there's a pothole in the road, hard to see, but has jagged edges
A deer jumps in front of the car at night
A patch of black ice about 3 feet wide is on the road near a turn
A tire blows out at 45mph during semi-crowded traffic
Severe wind has caused a tree to break, it is tilted toward the road and clearly about to fall on the road at any moment
A tire falls off the back of a commercial truck, it's bouncing towards the windshield at 55mph

Saying we are on the verge of a computer system, visual system, and driving system that could operate the driving of a persons car in the modern tasks of their driving life is so ridiculous.

But hey it's right around the corner right!? You'll be able to prove me wrong in no time.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

Also examine Traction Control Systems.

Been around since the 1990's and they are still utter shit. Not only are they less safe than a capable driver, but they can actually cause you to crash when the car loses traction.

Google "TCS caused me to crash"

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Exactly.

The complexity of the human nervous system is perhaps the most complicated thing in our known universe.

Yet people think we're on the verge of replicating it.

We don't even have the artificial heart yet.

takes2long
takes2long

tfw design and implement government policy so I can't be automated

likme
likme

No it's not, people much prefer the automated registers, only the boomers scared of technology still prefer cashiers. The only reason why they aren't that standard in my area is because the grocer unions won't allow full automation.

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

I said I AVOID using a coinstar because I use the self-service checkout.

I do it regularly so I tend to keep my loose change to an absolute minimum.

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

I use the self-checkout literally all the time

I hate having to talk to a person

CodeBuns
CodeBuns


If they're capable of completely rendering reality in real time with competent AI, I think your examples could be overcome.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

These are the shit.

cum2soon
cum2soon

Once robots can program themselves, you're done kiddo

Emberfire
Emberfire

Once cars can drive themselves, taxi's are done kiddo

Oh wait

Firespawn
Firespawn

in 5 years you will see a headline: 'sweden to ban human driving from 2025', i guarantee, self-driving cars have so many potential benefits it's crazy

also idk where you live but every mcdonalds i went in this year had this automated ordering and payment - that's like 1/3 human work hours gone already

well, lets assume for a sec there's a limited number of possible jobs - you cut down one due to automation and it's workers have to be distributed among the others, thus driving the wages down. that's already THE hidden source of 'rising inequality', 'millenials living with parents at 30' etc - 'wage jobs' getting 'diluted'

imo western countries will be able to switch to UBI, i mean niggers are already on welfare, serious wagekeks will just develop autistic hobbies like bonsai gardening or kill themselves, less serious wagekeks will spend 16h per day tending to their carefully crafted facebook/twitter/tinder profiles - i mean they already do 8

and in india noone will buy robots if you have to invest 1000years of wages so it will be a slow process

i mean metro is automated in many cities already, i think, at least in paris, it's of course even easier than freight trains but still

also consider that you basically can't die(or even get hurt) in a new car if you drive slower than 35 or smth, but you will still get to your destination quicker b/c jams, waiting on the lights will be things of the past. Then you will have well kept, up to some standard highways with prohibited human driving, and you will have like a huge sign at the entrance(put for people like you) with a number of fatalities that happened there and it will just be a huge '0'

i agree but i dont think you can just murder people on masse and world pop is still growing so thats like 100 years ahead and i don't think it necessarily concerns us

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

The idea that automation would make human labor obsolete and consolidation of wealth to a few elite outside of coercion is not a realistic scenario in any sense.

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

hurr durr truck-driver-machine cant drive in a way that minimizes tire weariness also monitoring how it was using it and just telling you 'please change my rear right tire' when it concludes there is an increased probability of catching a flat on it's next scheduled ride also taking into account things like accident database for the roads it will ride, and even if it catches one on some random nail it couldn't see on its sensors/cameras once in 100 years, it can't just call random specialized/authorized car-service in 50km radius to come and change it for it

it's like you have no imagination

Lord_Tryzalot
Lord_Tryzalot

Yes!

BinaryMan
BinaryMan

said the post on Veeky Forums

5mileys
5mileys

Those are Kivas and they're pretty real. Amazon says they brought order fulfillment times down from an hour to 15 minutes.
youtube.com/watch?v=Fr6Rco5A9SM

Picking and packing is still done by hand, but actually moving stuff from into and out of storage is done with these now.

Nojokur
Nojokur

we had self driving tech since the 70's
I bet you believe we put a man on the moon in the 60's too don't you?

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