Determinism states that our environment determines the way we think and behave. Our environment automatically activates both conscious and unconscious goals. Thus, we are not ultimately responsible for our actions, and we merely live with the illusion of free will.
Inversely, Free Will presents that it is possible to understand automatic behaviors in a non-deterministic way. We are not passively shaped by stimuli from our environment. Individuals ultimately direct their own goals by actively bestowing meaning upon our experiences.
Which is it?
Zachary Walker
>Which is it? Deterministic Free Will is the only right answer.
Eli Allen
I don't get people who are "absolute" determinist. There are species on our planet that base their actually base their decisions solely on external stimuli. Humans aren't that.
Jacob Bailey
> Humans aren't that. Humans are that. The different here is that they didn't base their decisions on stimuluses from here and now only, but have a pretty long time memories and such. One way or another, their mind is shaped by external factors.
Isaac Gray
How do you know this? Your notion of free will might very well be an illusion.
Daniel Morales
>compatibilism
Ian Wilson
Hey my friend I like where your thought process is going. Which is why I want to help you continue on forward not give the answer. Hopefully this doesn't sound arrogant. One thing I suggest looking into. Are you sure you 'understand' what free will is YET?
Asher Morgan
I'm don't have my mind wrapped around either concept fully, which is why I came here.
Cooper Hernandez
There is no free will you tards, everything you do is because of subconsious reptillian instincts. If yo u think free will is real smash your frontal lobe and watch as you turn into a wild animal.
Jayden Richardson
the basic reasoning is
everything that happens, happens because a set of factors are responsible for it
nothing is purely chaotic, hence everything is the result of other factors
why should "free will" be different simply because it applies to man? after all man is just another factor in the grand scheme of things our "free will" is an illusion granted to us because we are self aware, but being self aware doesn't help us escape the deterministic aspect of the universe
the only way out is if you consider a factor that goes agaisnt traditional reasoning, such as a god who grants us free will
Jackson Allen
Determinist view makes math useless, why calculate decisions if your enviourment is a big calculator? We base our decisions on calculated facts/possibilitites, free will? Or is this some high end academic philosophy buushiiiee
Jayden Gray
> Why calculate decisions if your environment is a big calculator? Because it is way easier to just run a some numbers than staging full scale experiments.
Cooper Lewis
But is it really a experiment if you know the outcome? I know that sticking a fork in my eye will make me bleed and go blind, therefore I have this will to not do it...
Bentley Nguyen
> If you know the outcome? You didn't really know the outcome just sure about it, but you can always be mistaken like that guy in France who was made from glass.
Aiden Flores
you're assuming we already know the outcome of everything
determinism states that for everything there is only ever 1 possible outcome
the reason for maths is to find out what it is, after all just because something will happen doesn't mean we know it'll be that
Robert Smith
What about automaticity? The idea that our brain automatically responds to outside stimuli based on our perception of the world and ourselves?
Cameron Lee
seeing as how our perception of the world and ourselves also came from outside stimuli the idea still fits into determinism, and in fact works well with it
Carson Bell
It seems to be a large portion of the determinist mindset. I'm just curious as to how influential this idea is in our daily lives. Is every single decision made automatically - without any real control whatsoever?
Bentley Morales
well the gist of it is it's all a maths formula if you break it down
certain factors+certain individuals influenced by previous factors=new results and new factors to influence other things
obviously from our perspective we can't know what will happen for example, the movements of planets and stars in the universe is already determined, they will take one single route we don't know what it is though because we're not omniscient, but that doesn't change the fact only one outcome is possible
the same is true for everything, just on smaller and perhaps more complex scales
if anything, our ignorance of the future allows us to be free because it gives us the illusion of being in control
Lincoln Parker
Care to explain why?
Christian Morris
It comes down to how the laws of physics work
Doesn't the chaos theory says that chaos ends up creating similar patterns?
Would infinity be 1 or -1 to infinity or infinity as the space in between 1 and 2 , beginning and end
If its the later, does would the answer matter?
Jeremiah Russell
Minds are deterministic, but they still control things. You can't make a decision you wouldn't make, but you still decide things. Knowledge of the future just extends the kind of decisions we can make. I think if we had knowledge of the entire future it would just mean we where deciding between different entire futures. If we had perfect knowledge of our own minds we could decide to affect them.
Mason Gonzalez
Heard of improper integrals? I think we may be wily enough to find our way out of finity.
Mason Kelly
Go on count to infinity
Logan Gray
Determinism is bullshit. Life is chaotic. Sure there are rules and influences, but in the end every small factor, every little change, every tiny air breeze will completely change things so that nothing is really set and predictable.
As to your question: the truth is of course both. You are shaped by your environment. Your will is shaped by your environment. Yet you still choose what you like and what you want. Sometimes it's harder, sometimes it's easier. Sometimes you have to rebel, sometimes you conform.