2019 Mazda3

It does have spark plugs, but they're only used in cold temps, high loads, and high revs. Once the engine is warmed up and you're under 5k revs, it'll just use compression.

And yet where is the mazda GT car? if its not going to be on SkyactivX then what? Its not like everyone is going to be satisfied with Miatas forever. The only GT cars made by mazda were the RX rotaries.

>underpowered
>super loud
>massive compression ratios at stock so you cant simply bolt on a turbo
>heavy

If SkyactivX can rectify just 2 of these things then i'll be in the market for a mazda econobox.

Not sure what you're referring to when you say loud and heavy but we did get cucked on the comp ratios. They accomplished what they were after, a quick but fuel efficient car; they squeezed a lot out of the 2.0L.

This looks lewd.

Yeah, but they never implied that it would be used on a production vehicle

Mazda is doing horrible in terms of profits. What makes you think they can justify making a 45k GT car when they are already in the red???

who cares? it still suffers from shitty modern car design.

>Stop liking what I don't like!

What the fucking fuck.
I wasn't sure but now I'm pretty convinced Mazda is trying to still do "driver's" cars in the normal car segment. Awesome

Shame the Mazda 3 is less reliable than the Golf.

Not in Burgerland but I'd be more worried about rust.

>Supercharged 2l
>Still less power than the FA20 N/A
They achieved the impossible never mind a lot.

>Not in Burgerland

But in countries people actually care about.

It's 2017 man, gone are they days where you can "simply bolt on a turbo". Engines are designed to achieve one main purpose, to meet or exceed the extremely strict emissions standards of today. They're trying to get every last drop of efficiency out of the ICE while polluting as little as possible, user whining about >muh ebay turbo are the least of their concerns. It's a Mazda 3 as well, literally an economy car with practicality in mind

The supercharger isn't there for performance, just to make HCCI possible. It's maybe a couple pounds of boost and that's it.
>confusing power density for efficiency
HP/L is a worthless meme, the SkyX will get far more energy out of a volume of gasoline than the FA20 will. Also the FA makes fuckall for torque.

FA20s get abysmal fuel economy though. This engine isn't made in the same vein.

Not true anywhere.

>what is torque
>what is drivability
>what is fuel efficiency

>FA20s get abysmal fuel economy though.
That's long been busted.

See TUV report.

>what is torque
What are gears.
>what is fuel efficiency
see

>what is hypermiling
FA-20s average high 20s MPG, with mid 30s for long highway drives

nigga I'm talking low end torque. Usable torque below 3k, where most people spend 99% of their time. People don't want to have to rev their economy car to 7k rpm to get it to move. It's also a Mazda 3, not an s2000 or a brz

Here are some real world driving numbers (not grannying/hypermiling/EPA testing)

You sure?

motortrend.com/news/epa-fuel-economy-variance-best-performers-real-world-fuel-economy-winners/

Considering that the article gives figures in the mid-30s just like I stated, yes

Since when is mid 30MPG with real world daily driving considered "abysmal fuel economy"?

>Ib4 Prius

You just went full retard, Jamal.

Now if only Mazda would stop being useless and put the 2.5L in a sports car larger than a Miata

or just put the 2.5 in the miata

I can't daily a car with 4 cubic ft of trunk space and almost zero interior storage. Same chassis with a liftback, hardtop, and a slightly longer/wider body would be good.

Lol keep holding your breath user

>tfw DD an NA miata for 4 years now
it's not that bad. don't be a pussy

>near 40mpg
Thats pretty good. I wonder how efficient their gearbox is, I know the auto is a 6 speed. I wonder if they could get any gains from using a 7 gear DCT like Porsche does.

At least the NA has a nice glovebox, the ND doesn't even have that.

I never said it was abysmal, I was talking about that image with 54mpg. I'm not the guy he responded to

>ut a very tiny low-boost SC just designed to manage compression rather than increase power,
its a miller cycle engine.
actually its all things when it wants to be.
Otto cycle, diesel cycle, miller cycle. This cunt does it all! next you'll be saying its variable compression and CVVT

are those real gallons or freedom gallons? because sub 40 mpg is shite

Just how fucking strong does this block have to be?

>you're a pussy because your lifestyle requires carrying stuff

Freedom gallons I think. 40MPG is already piss easy on my friend's MZ3

can you explain why the block needs to be strong to sustain lean combustion?

All they did was slightly reinforce the current block.

Op claimed it was just a guess. What would your guess be? Would you take into account the law of spitballing diminishing return losses?

I was about to buy a 2018 GTI.
Should I hold off and get a 2019 Mazda 3?

I'd wait for the Tokyo auto show and see if they reveal anything juicy.

220bhp+ from a high compression 2.5L engine isn't anything out of the ordinary, it wouldn't even be that remarkable if it propelled a 3500lb vehicle with 30mpg.

The current AWD CX5 is 3655lb and gets 29mpg with a 187bhp 2.5L.

Gen 3 is 2014,15,16 with the refresh being 2017,18 and I'm guessing 2019 will have the same body. I'd wait for the 2020 models.

Why don't they just use a fucking turbo like everybody else? Their customer base is 95% young women who don't know or care what the fuck compression or an Atkinson cycle is. It's 2017... Not even 200hp is nothing to be bragging about these days.

The government is forcing everyone to grasp at straws for fuel efficiency.

i kinda wanna move from working at hitachi to working at mazda

If I reset my Focus going 45mph in 5th gear it will say the same thing, that's not impressive.

Every other manufacturer seems to be doing just fine without running 90:1 compression just using "old" technology. Why they're trying all this shit when ICE's will be dead in 10-20 years is beyond me. Real wold performance will never come to the pipe dream emission figures Mazda is claiming. Just like the turbo meme.

Yeah, internal combustion isn't going anywhere. Cars will be making decent power and hit 40mpg average 10 years from now. The tech is only going to get better. Gasoline's energy density isn't going to be contested. Being able to travel 500 miles on one tank will be the norm.
Meanwhile EVs will still take forever to charge and have inferior range.

>all ICE will be dead in 10-20 years
I'm literally a fucking socialist and I'm still amazed leftists believe this shit. Change doesn't happen that fast or that smoothly, the infrastructure won't be there for another 30 years at best.

The problem with this technology is the lack of innovation. It's combining the ideas of diesel and gasoline ignition systems great.
If we wanted to we could develop cars to run off of marine grade diesel, then throw 300 lbs of emission reduction add-ons, high strength materials to deal with a freak combustion process, mold in an electric motor and we average 80 mpg.
Some are acting like Mazda reinvented the wheel. A better breakthrough would be a cheap, easy way to maximize the overall energy yielded per molecule.

>ice will be dead in 10-20 years

you are the exact same kind of person who thought we would have flying cars by the 90s back in the 50s

>190hp/170trq
Correction, it's 190hp/207trq for the 2 liter. With that kind of torque the 2.5L is gonna haul ass.

blog.caranddriver.com/mazdas-gasoline-skyactiv-x-spcci-engine-explained/

Because you can't actually get those fuel economy numbers using a turbo unless you drive like a grandma

Mazda is making it very clear that their new Skyactiv engines are iterative, not revolutionary. Creating high efficiency gas burning engines only can only mean two things. They're either extracting more energy from the fuel, or they're minimizing losses everywhere in the system. Going by what their engineers have said they are doing both of these to some degree. In practice this has let them achieve decent efficiency without needing paltry power output.

I should of said *ICE powered econobox and commuter cars will be dead. Electric won't be replacing ICE's for anything long range for a pretty long time but for the average normie range won't be an issue.

I hate electric cars as much as the next guy and really dread their arrival but just look at how fast technology is advancing. The only thing holding back EV's is the batteries. Considering li-ions were about ~20 years from the lab to consumer devices, 20 years from now having batteries that aren't complete shit isn't that unreasonable.

Drive the shit out of any engine and it'll drink gas. The Mazda engine is driven like a grandma to get those figures too. That's why the emission standards are a meme.

While you fucks are shitposting about its engine you're completely overlooking that this gen of mazda3 is moving to a TORSION BAR rear suspension.

Fucking DROPPED.

>The Mazda engine is driven like a grandma to get those figures too. That's why the emission standards are a meme.
Except for the part where the guy got nearly 40mpg on his run where he went well over 150kmh

Meh, if it sucks you can just replace it. 911s used to use them

...

People don't buy a $18,000 Mazda 3 so they can replace parts on it. Though the user complaining about the suspension on this commuter budget box has absolute shit for brains.

The 2016 Civic Type R and Megane 275 Trophy R were both torsion beam and managed a sub-8 minute lap around Burgerking. The Fiesta ST is commonly praised as the most fun handling FWD car ever despite being a torsion beam (often compared favorably to the IRS Focus ST).

Basically torsion beam isn't a big deal because rear tires are just along for the ride with FWD. Apparently Mazda went for a unique and more advanced shape that gives better geometry.

The current generation uses a multilink setup. Going from that to a torsion bar is objectively a massive downgrade, worse than when the Civic went from double wishbone to MacPherson struts.

Hi

>objective

*whispers of rx-9

There's simply not enough lithium. We cannot hope to produce more than a few million electric vehicles per year and lithium will only get harder to find and extract as time goes on.

Except that's not what was done.

no. the GTI will be faster and have a lot more torque.

They dyno 230 WHP and 274 WTQ.

You be the judge. The tunability of the car is excellent, want more power? APR stage 1 (316hp/380 tq)

Want 400 hp? IS38 (golf r turbo) upgrade and a tune. $2000 or so.

These Mazdas are nice cars but they aren't comparable to the GTI and are honestly not sports cars. Not really sure who buys a Mazda 3 because its literally nothing more than a sporty looking sedan.

Nice try mazda but every modern V6 out there would have been a better choice if you were actually looking for power. Not sure what their fetish is with making N/A power that ultimately doesn't make sense in a 300 HP V6 world.

Take that tech and make a 370 HP V6 and ill be impressed.

>Not really sure who buys a Mazda 3
People who want a daily driver that's good on gas and won't be boring to drive
>muh power
You sound like any other typical VW fuccboi

>Not really sure who buys a Mazda 3 because its literally nothing more than a sporty looking sedan
Everyone in Australia and Canada. Best econobox besides the new Civic, I don't know why Amerifats don't like them.

Amerilards would rather finance an $80k crew cab truck with a baby sized bed to haul their 1.5 children

Mazda isnt as much of a household name as Toyota or Honda or the domestic 3, and crossovers are the meme here.

I live in southern ontario, and I never knew Mazda was a small company. I swear I see more Mazda3s than Fords here, excluding trucks

Mazda does really well in Canada despite the rust issue their earlier models had. They sell well equipped cars at a good price, and all trims are available with a 6 speed, for the cars anyway

>this rotard delusion

HHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

The new Civic is not only roomier but handles better and faster too with its vtec turbo.

>yfw Mazda, the madmen, develop a camless version next

Interior isn't as nice and the overall car is ugly as sin
Honda's infotainment is also total fucking cancer and the Civic still doesn't get as good mileage as the Mazda 3

And the Skyactiv 2.5 makes more power than the 1.5l turbo

I've enjoyed my 3s GT in the ~3ish years I've had it now. It handles well, the interior is well thought out and of above-average quality, and it just looks good. That, and it has more features than most luxury cars at a fraction of the cost. I've averaged 32-38mpg depending on how much traffic I have to deal with, which I think is pretty good for a 185hp car that isn't boring as fuck to drive around in every day. The power feels good due to the relatively light curb weight, but it definitely could use a bit of an upgrade. Here's hoping the increased torque of the X engine gives it what it needs to get back on top of its segment.

Having said all that though, I'm probably going to swap over to a Mk7.5 Golf R next year because moar power, plus AWD for dealing with winter's bullshit

3 of my co-workers (in a group of 13) drive MZ3's. I might join them if they make a new Speed3 or give the GT more performance credentials. My FiST is a fun little car, but the engineering and build quality just isn't there in comparison.

Koenigsegg already did this with Freevalve, it's only a matter of time before it becomes mainstream

Don't post again please if all you can do is shit post

New Skyactiv-X 2.5L is rumoured to have like 230bhp. They're all supercharged

>185hp
You burgers sure are lucky, the best petrol engine we get here in bongland is an anaemic 120hp 2L.