what's the difference between playing a badrace optimally and playing a goodrace sub-optimally if you're a fully spoiled player and know all the tricks and tactics the game has to offer, there shouldn't be much difference except how much patience you need to play one over the other
Adam Hernandez
>ijyb and robin on the same floor, with their own sets of goblins and hobgoblins respectively
neat
Landon Jones
everything in crawl is 1dX a bad roll kills even an optimal badrace, while a suboptimal goodrace shrugs it off
Asher Garcia
badrace is less likely to get nerfed
Alexander Green
vorpalize that eveningstar, you got your endgame weapon boi
Ryan Butler
>vorpal nonedged weapons what is this heresy
Isaac Barnes
>cant duplicate uniques in the new elona patch anymore
Gavin Harris
can i get a rundown on this guy?
Easton Sanchez
>there shouldn't be much difference except how much patience you need to play one over the other Yes, but as you said badraces and badgods lead to annoying af plays where you have to ~cautiously~ think about every single of your fucking moves which leads to massive boredom and a 2x-3x longer run that never lets you zone out Meanwhile going with a goodrace and goodgod means literally otabbing through most of the game for maximum comfyness There is a reason nemelex choices are 90% fucking mage backgrounds
Oliver Martinez
Remember that axes are the best weapon because you can kill enemies simultaneously (and thus faster) during speedrunning..
Adam Butler
>he doesnt have bogdabot implants
Isaiah Smith
you think so? i was going for getting my firestorm online but had to unlearn it to get some other more usable current spells up for now. right now i am just running around with the lantern of shadows but that's boring as hell. i have 3 brand scrolls and like 7 enchant weapon ones
Leo Roberts
>still no dcss themed quick rundown I would if I had any creativity whatsoever
Carson Lewis
Did you ever eat so much candy you became a god?
Samuel Johnson
>that starting equipment
Carson Perez
Polearms are best weapon because you can hit enemies sooner. If you don't use a polearm, enemies with a polearm will get the first hit on you.
Isaiah Jones
i was hoping there was one
Jacob Howard
16 in a weapon skill isn't a huge amount, but if you're going full blasty casty and really want to save on xp, a demon whip of electrocution or similar might be a better choice. Most likely you'll end up using a staff of energy later on if you go for level 9 spells.
Juan Gomez
>panlords bow to Yiuf >in contact with starspawn >rumored to possess psychic abilities >controls D with an iron fist >owns vaults & troves all over the dungeon >direct descendant of the ancient royal blood line >will bankroll the first cities in the Abyss (Yiufgrad will be be the first city) >owns basically every ?mut production facility in the dungeon >first designer babies will in all likelihood be Yiuf babies >said to have 400+ IQ >ancient elven scriptures tell of an angel who will descend upon the dungeon and will bring an era of enlightenment and unprecedented technological progress with him >this is Yiuf >he owns quarterstaff R&D labs around the world >you likely have chaos spawn inside you right now >every child has the mark of Yiuf implanted in them at birth >Yiuf is in regular communication with the Shining One, forwarding his word to Mennas and the other angels >discovered the Orb of Zot >Khufu allows him full access to the evidence of Atlantis within the Tomb >Gozag entrusts his gold reserves with Yiuf. there's no gold in Gozag's realm, only Ft. Yiuf >he is 67 years old, from the space-time reference point of the base gnoll >in reality, he is a timeless being existing in all points of time and space from the beginning to the 200 millions turn >he has been able to access Ashenzari's complete records since birth, and has spoken about what he saw while he was a newborn >Yiuf will guide the dungeon into a new age of wisdom, peace and love
Jack Long
>16 magic mapping scrolls
Whoa, how did that happen?
Michael Lee
>panlords bow to Yiuf Wew I was just about to write one starting with that very line Kinda creepy desu senpai
William Moore
i have staff of energy conjuration and fire already. was going to get shields to high enough to remove penalty then switch to a weapon skill i think
Colton Roberts
But this is the beauty of axes. It just happens to crosstrain with BOTH poles and maces
Lucas Scott
Do pan lords really bow to Yiuf? I always thought he was just a crazy gnoll but I read his description and it says "Yiuf the enlightened", and he follows you out of the dungeon when you leave too.
I've never worshipped Xom before killing Yiuf first either, what does Yiuf do when you're a Xom worshipper?
I never realized how deep Yiuf lore is
Luke Garcia
Right now there's literally no reason to use maces+flails when are they going to add a stun status effect that only M&F and water magic can apply or just give it paralysis instead
Isaiah Ross
imo don't genocide the orcs tho
Easton Brooks
nice
Bentley Phillips
how do you guys play spellcasters efficiently? casting spells that aren't ctrl click is so aggravating. why isn't there a menu for it like invocations or whatever
Mason Bennett
But M&F are the best weapons
Christopher Davis
Explain yourself.
Logan Bailey
Why on earth are you clicking on shit instead of using the keyboard like a civilized person
Jose Wood
There is a menu for it, isn't there?
Also just z + (spell) enter to cast if you don't know that yet.
Asher Parker
set up macros and bind to F1-F10
Bentley Thomas
not him but: axes cleave polearms reach longblades riposte shortblades stab maces and flails ____
for what purpose
Ryan Lewis
im aware of z + enter but even if i used keyboard thats a shitty bind
traveling with keypad is annoying but in general i guess traveling is pretty annoying. in any case z + enter is not a spectacular bind to use either
Matthew Richardson
maces and flails have the best damage on a single target
fucking retard
Andrew Gray
not having any cool messages in an alphabet game automatically makes things worse
Asher Diaz
you're a fucking autist
Colton Cox
just because you're morally wrong to support a shitter nomessage weapon type doesn't mean you have to be mad
Connor Mitchell
best 1h best non rare 2h greatmace has like 1dmg less than a triple sword for 4 less skill
Jordan Watson
is it worth wearing two rings of wizardry? no right? it can't be THAT much spellpower bonus...
Oliver Lee
what god does he worship
Benjamin Collins
they give you exactly 0 spellpower
Grayson Sanchez
wizardry is %chance and it stacks yes
Easton Richardson
looks like demigod that only worships self
Chase Nelson
so if i want to try a game with The Chei Transmuter experience which version should I play? I hear They ruined its glorious extremis and I don't want to play some shitty nerfed into line crap.
Carson Kelly
yeah I mean they're obviously fine, just boring
Christopher Thomas
hey nethack devteam are the ones who decided that 'vorpal' means 'really good at chopping heads' Carroll didn't say shit about it
Jackson Peterson
>no pudding
Alexander Baker
imo genocide orcs but inscribe about pulsating vulvae on the floor before you do it
Leo Flores
Wizardry stacks but the second boost is kinda small
Jack Campbell
but he did specify "blade"
Michael Brooks
>dcssbabbies can't into learning new things to such an extreme degree that they prefer using the mouse like a grandma over spending 1 day to learn vi-keys
Tack on another win, fellow Tummies. After horrifically choking away a 14 rune demigod, I picked myself up, put down the razors and helium, and ascended an OgAs of mah boi TSO.
Jose Howard
what's the next step in your master plan?
Justin Miller
whatever it is, it won't involve survivors
Mason Stewart
Noob Gargoyle. Do i want my perma flight on? when would i want it off? i know theres spells that do extra damage to flying or something
Charles Morgan
you want it off when you are against enemies who can cast airstrike, the spell which does extra damage to flying
you want it on when you are in branches with shit to fly over like swamp/shoals, or against enemies that can cast Shatter (just Jorgrun and rngpanlords, I think?)
notable users: Gastronok in Lair, Wind Drakes in Shoals, Titans in Vaults
John Walker
other than airstrike i can leave it on? i dont wanna micromanage this BS
Eli Phillips
well yes but you can also leave it off all the time when you're not in shoals/swamp or coc flight isn't too useful usually
Josiah Ramirez
...
Landon Sanchez
Ahh im retarded and thought Gargoyle flight was different than just quaffing a potion. Ok.
Tyler Ward
tengu flight is maybe what you're thinking of, it gives them bonus movespeed and EV
Joseph Robinson
Thanks for that, I guess.
Ayden Foster
Who let a retard make the new thread yet again
Joseph Smith
That's not a necromancer
Jayden Perez
Tree form or berserk my man. Both will shrek the fiend.
Dominic Sullivan
airborne avalanche mountains come down from the sky exclamation points
Christopher Foster
>be draconian >able to shoot out steam, blocking smiters and spellcasters >trained in axes and swords >also earth magic as well >barreling through dungeon killing uniques by the dozen >low on health and headed to the place I store my items >dungeon floor is already clear do its ok >my ghost sneaks up from around a corridor >I get petrified and killed by a wolf zombie spider
I'm dead inside.
Jason Ortiz
You are also dead on the outside too.
Adrian Evans
It's been too long since I felt the pleasure of the ruk.
Gabriel Jones
Damn it user. Thanks for the laff though.
Christopher Roberts
>died on D:8 with +6 axe of speed because I suck at picking my fights Damn.
Liam Young
What kind of axe
Julian Bailey
Just axe. Talking about Brogue btw
Thomas Thomas
I've got a few more OWH questions
1. Is there an ideal way to move around? Like, should I be hugging the top/bottom of the map? The middle? Wandering up and down continuously? 2. Does the demon lord get stronger with each appearance, or are his stats fixed?
Bentley Bennett
Its a rare case where a fiend spawns instead of him, but the loot is usually better if he does spawn
Nicholas Phillips
>+6 axe of speed You could have done it user, you could have been the tablord.
Mason Richardson
user who started playing ~1mo ago here, just won for the first time! I'm very grateful for all of you who patiently answered my repeated noob questions. Here's my dump: pastebin.com/raw/Zq8Ha0Jg
Aaron Cruz
After extensive research, I have confirmed that IE is actually the worst elemental caster start, not the best
fire=earth>air>ice
Hudson Parker
Wrong, idiot. AE is the worst. Sure you get SWIFTNESS, the best fucking escape spell out of ANY book start (aside maybe PoG), but all your offensive spells are total shit.
Jonathan Garcia
>wins DCSS in a month
It's been more than a year and I still haven't won. It's surprising how self-conscious a shitty roguelike game can make me feel.
Andrew Scott
Never underestimate the power of ruk.
Juan Nelson
I smiled.
Nicholas Turner
Some people are just bad at video games, it's okay user.
Andrew Cox
If it's any consolation I'm only 1 month new to Crawl, not to roguelikes. You'll get your win :)
Hudson Foster
First game in forever, I forgot Ogres fucking hurt, tried saving my shit with a net trap that ended up being my doom.