Future Cars: 2019 Lexus ES Kicks Its RWD GS Sibling To The Curb

LS is a full on luxury sedan. A sporty car should be a smaller one.

when it comes to driving in luxury from home to work and back, all anyone needs or could possibly want is a nicer camry really

ES and GS are the mid-size cars. Product overlap. If you want RWD Lexus, there is LS and LC. In addition, LS is now downsizing to a V6 motor and this causes a “product overlap” with the V6-powered GS. This reason is why the death of the GS is likely.

I guess I can't call myself a normalfag, but it never escaped my notice that
>hey a really expensive toyota
>heh it's rwd that's neat

I think the new 86 should be proof that people who care enough will buy it if it's not just a Corolla with a body kit.

>ruining the luxobarge LS with the "muh sporty handling" meme

Get.

Fucked.

You are retarded.

>although with the GS said to disappear, an AWD option should appease those who’ll miss the latter’s RWD setup.
That said, Lexus better adopt Audi's fwd/awd ideology, otherwise the fwd only ES will NOT compete well with the Mercs, Audi (quattro) and Bimmers of the mid-size world.

To be fair there really is a huge overlap between the ES and the GS. For the past 15 years they've been basically the exact same size and had much of the same engines (with a few exceptions), only one with FWD and the other with RWD.

Normies look at the cars, see that one is $8,000 cheaper, obviously they'll buy that one.

Makes sense, every Lexus wants to be a luxobarge, so poorfags buy the IS, and richfags buy the LS, with boomers buying the ES.

The GS always lived in a no man's land. Lexus could have held onto their profit margins by making the IS more sporty or not diluting the brand with the ES, although that's probably quite profitable. Diluting the brand usually is.

>>Lexus is """"Luxury""""

Name a luxury brand then?

The GS is more luxury than the equivalent Jag, Merc BMW and Audi

WRONG

You're still driving a tryhard toyota.

This pops up everytime Lexus is mentioned. I don't know how this is a bad thing.

Kek solid response there

Stay mad about your overpriced german shit

But that's the thing though. An overpriced Toyota should be sensible as fuck. It should dominate the market. It should shit on germanocrap.

But nobody looks at you and thinks
>oh, a Lexus!

So the ES is going to be a rebadged Avalon with AWD? WTF lexus. Make your own shit.

Potential ES buyers are Camry people who want Toyota reliability but with a fancier badge.

Potential GS buyers are BMW people who want a BMW and will just buy a BMW.

OF COURSE the ES will sell better. The GS never even stood a chance at stealing BMW buyers from the BMW market because BMW buyers want BMWs, not Lexuses.

>But nobody looks at you and thinks

Yes they do, also

>caring about this kinda thing

>It should shit on germanocrap.

It does though, the GS is much nicer than all of its rivals, E-class is the only one that comes close

>overpriced toyota xD

Who cares what badge is on it as long as its a good car?

Lexus couldn't build a true luxury car if their life depended on it.

name some then, the current and previous GS is much more luxurious than all its rivals

>Who cares what badge is on it as long as its a good car?
That's what I'm about, but Toyota is doing something very wrong when nobody cares about them outside of the fanboi club.

For fuck's sake look at Cadillac. Who wants a Cadillac anymore? They used to be something you'd lust after. Even the FWD ones were actually pretty good to drive despite the pigfat and V8 that didn't really make you feel like chad catching all the stacies.

And that's where Lexus is going to go. Who drives a Lexus? The numale who just got a hiring bonus at Google? I don't even know.

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It just isn't.
The interior design and quality is a generation behind current German cars, it's on par with the current A6 but the Mercedes W213 and BMW G30 are way ahead.
I work at a Toyota dealership I drive brand new Lexuses every day - the GS is just dated.
Also that Lexus front end just is not my cup of tea.

>That's what I'm about

You're a terrible enthusiast

>very wrong when nobody cares about them outside of the fanboi club

They seem to sell alright where I'm from

>For fuck's sake look at Cadillac. Who wants a Cadillac anymore? They used to be something you'd lust after. Even the FWD ones were actually pretty good to drive despite the pigfat and V8 that didn't really make you feel like chad catching all the stacies.

Never had these where I'm from, no idea what you're talking about catching women in them? Are you like 13?

>Who drives a Lexus?

People do? Who cares who drives them?

>The numale who just got a hiring bonus at Google?

Well no I thought it was old people but again who cares?

You post is just rambling nonsense, you have no Idea what you're talking about

>lexus is bad because numales drive them
>lexus is bad because who wants a lexus amirite?
>lexus is bad because no one cares except fanbois

I mean the e60 and f10 rival year GS'

Not familiar with the newer model BMWs

Same story, work at a dealership etc.

I'm a terrible enthusiast? You can't even greentext right, let alone make a cogent point about cars or why anybody should care.

You're a terrible enthusiast because all you're saying is the car is bad because of what other people think and about who drives the car, not the actual car itself. Kinda sad actually

>You can't even greentext right

Great on point argument there, seeing as we're doing this you should head over to reddit and correct some grammar

Why would you call it a Lexus if you didn't care about what other people thought about it? That's the very basis of the American car branding system and why they're sold as Toyotas in Toyotaland.

Are you stupid or do you just look stupid?

>and rebadged Avalon with FWD by default
It helps them to make money

Lexus, for the most part, is for people that want luxury but don't really care about cars. They want the comfiest car they never have to think about.

>Who drives a Lexus?
My mother. She wanted a luxury car. She never drives in an even remotely sporty manner, she just wants to be comfy. I didn't want her to have to worry about reliability outside the warranty, so I recommended an ES. Should something every go wrong it is an Avalon so can be serviced at any Toyota dealership relatively cheaply.

One more thing I noticed - the previous generation (4th gen) Lexus LS interior is only on par with the old 2001-2006 BMW 7 series E65 in terms of fit and finish, ergonomics, overall feel.
Lexus sure has stepped up their interior game for the past 5 years though.

Thats what its called where I'm from

>the very basis of the American car branding system

Really really don't care about the American branding system, are all American car fans as pleb as you?

>oh man I love this particular car it's so much better than all the others I've driven, too bad I can't buy it because other people won't think its cool and other people that I don't like drive the same cars under this brand

lol

ur rly not helping the Lexus image m8

>(4th gen) Lexus LS

Never actually been in one, they stopped selling them over here around 2007, I thought it was the e65's rival 2bh

so btfo

feels good

4th gen began selling in 2006 - just as the e65 stopped production and the next gen F01 7 series was presented

Rule #1 of 90s USENET trolling: always let the other guy get the last word.

But this is a thread about cars, so I'd like you to tell me what's so good about Lexus other than apparently one of them has RWD and another one is a bit like your comfy chair. We have seen ITT they fit the perfect model for the ancient rich asian mom who can't drive anyway. What now?

huh they must have only sold it here for 2-3 years

Just looked it up and the stopped selling it world wide 5 years ago

>all non-hybrid Lexus ES sold in the states are built in kentucky

>Rule #1 of 90s USENET trolling: always let the other guy get the last word.

yeah really don't care

>so I'd like you to tell me what's so good about Lexus

Its a comfortable fast(ish) well finished car exactly what a luxury car should be.

>they fit the perfect model

Who cares about what "model" they fit you drive the car because you like it not because it doesn't fit a "model" you don't like

There are actually two old asian ladies that dive two GS' near me ha, better sell it now and drive some shitty Audi I don't like because younger males drive them, I really hope the next car I like is driven by a demographic that suits me damn

>what a luxury car should be
Yes, but it isn't. Nobody's like
>where's my nice ride at?
>oh dude have you checked out a Lexus
>oh brah this shit is SICK
It's more like
>hey I came to argue about chassis codes in a BMW code-throwing thread but nobody knows wtf an GS/ES/LS/RS/EX/R9/Type-Gay is.

I don't care for Audis personally. But people still buy them "because" while Korean/Chinese/Whatever brands are overtaking the Lexus market. Even USDM make-believe muscle cars are more popular.

I imagine this also means that the next gen IS will grow slightly to pick up the slack of the outgoing GS.

The current IS is widely considered to be have the smallest interior in its class

>let’s be more like Acura!

They need to start making sporty lexus with a manual transmission and maybe then i'd consider buying one.

One of the only voices of reason in this thread.

RWD vs FWD means nothing to normies. Ask anyone on the street if their car is RWD or FWD and they won't know. The only drivetrain related sales terminology that the average consumer cares about is 4WD/AWD.

Lexus has two almost identical sedans. One sold more. Of course they cut the weaker seller.

You and people like you can't even cover the ~$50 mm cost of crash testing and certifying a manual transmission car, let alone the labor, manufacturing, and design overhead.

Luxury car buyers who want a manual in the US are a tiny minority. There's a reason why Mercedes, BMW, and Audi barely sell them anymore. They sit on dealer lots and don't sell.

It has gotten to the point where even if you make a manual option available via factory order only, it's STILL not worth it for the car companies. Costs too much in production and certification.

>exact same engines
The only ENGINE that the ES and GS have shared throughout they're history is the 2GR-FE, and that's only been recently, GS never used any ES V6 until what, 2006-7? ES never had a JZ engine, or a UZ engine

Aside from the external dimensions, know what thebfuck you're talking about before posting

>Nobody's like

I don't care about what other car autists think, especially ones that buy the car to impress other autists or girls, that doesn't make it a non luxury car either lol

>I don't care for Audis personally. But people still buy them "because" while Korean/Chinese/Whatever brands are overtaking the Lexus market. Even USDM make-believe muscle cars are more popular.

Cool, again don't care if other cars are more popular that's not why I'd buy a car nor do I live in America

If you are representative of the average American enthusiast the situation over there must be dire. If I wanted a civic type r or a gtr or a tesla I'd buy it even if the fanbase or the stigma attached to the car is shitty, how much the car sold wouldn't really matter either

>implying a luxury Toyota is a bad thing

>have the most cash-rich parent company on the planet
>build a better sports sedan than bmw
>???
>kill it

Sounds good.

He's a badge whore

You're really doing a bang-up job selling the idea of a Lexus.
>walk into Lexus dealer
>what's the deal with Lexus?
>Oh, so it's an expensive Toyota?
>Oh, OK, it comes with luxury
SHUT UP GET OUT YOU'RE A BADGE WHORE

You're both badge whores so shut the fuck up

>Luxury Rivals:
The latest Cadillac just looks more cool and sharp.

It is interesting to see that Lexus doesn't consider ES as a rival of 5er, E-class, and A6. This tells that buyers of ES are not demographics of the German Big Three. See In another word, only boomers/geezers are the main buyers of Cadillac and Lexus.

Why are they still making the XTS? it's their worst seller and is nothing more than a whored up Impala with AWD

>better
lol it was slow as fuck. it's not even a direct competitor to the M5.
Jeremy liked it because of the N/A engine, that's all.

This is pretty much a dilemma that I had with deciding a GS over a 5 Series. Of course, the 5 series will be more expensive, but it just simple drives better. Way better.

>>what's the deal with Lexus?
Its a decent car, thats all you really need to know
you are clearly a badge whore though if the car being associated with another brand bothers you so much

nah sorry m8

It's Lexus in Japan since 06

A Buick is basically a Chevy
Yeah I know. It's to prove they have a contender in that class of $75,000+ car type.

Just like Continental try's to fit intot hat role aswell.

However the same question still comes up. Why risk buying an american car?

This is now a GS/Aristo thread

Sorry Eurofags. While they don’t make me think of the euro lux autos, there is certainly nothing that makes me think “they that’s a Toyota” except the ES. The GS has always been a standout. Especially during the 1998-2003ish range .

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Just doesn’t remind me of Toyota even when it says Toyota

>> best looking GS. Pre spindle shit grill

Third gen was certainly generic, but still doesn’t look Toyota.

GS-F

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Second gen interior was a completely new direction for Lexus, and one that they did not follow through on to subsequent generations. They pulled the same shit in not continuing the unique First gen IS300 chronograph / industrial theme forward into the more generic second generation. However it is refreshing to see Lexus become adventurous in interior design with the wild techno interior of the 2017 LS.

The current generation is a little behind current Audi, bmw, and mb. But you have to also consider that the base model interiors and entry level cars from each of those brands have shit interiors unless you pay a lot more to church it up a bit. Audi is the worst at this. BMW hides their cheapness well, and you can make a plausible argument for mbtex over leather. But what the consumer sees is that every Lexus model has the top interior across the range, with a few min to exceptions. Not having to pay for a $5000trim package to not have an embarrassingly cheap interior says a lot to consumers who have already paid for this bullshit from the german brands .

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This reminds me of the Initial D tofu shop, only for cutting hair.

I see a new Initial D in the making, except the main character's father owns a barber shop and regularly does house calls to wealthy clients, hence why he owns a more luxurious GS430 to let his customers know that a very professional barber has come to trim his hair.

Now, because of his son's well matured attitude for his age, he sends his son out on the house calls in his place. His son however, being under the legal driving age, must take the more indirect and less-traveled mountain roads between clients. However, he still must make it to the locations in a certain time, in order to match the quick travel times of highways, his son must learn to perfect his driving technique to arrive at the same times.

Unlike Tak from Initial D, who only needed to learn Akina, this kid learns all the mountains in the area, making him able to adjust his technique to match different mountain roads much easier and more efficiently, making him the best choice for when Ryosuke invites him along for Project D.

/endautism

More education= more Audi divers? More proof that college is shit.

Lexus’s problem isn’t differentiating itself from Toyota. Their problem is in their cars being differentiated from each other. I’m a big Veeky Forumstist, Lexus fan that owns two of them, and I can’t tell the difference between a current model ES, GS, or even an LS in traffic. Instead of making each model stand on its own and be recognizable as a dis tincture model, the marketing cunts pushed brand recognition on the premise that noticing the car as a Lexus ahead of the Actual model, would carry the cachet and prestige that their aspirational customers had sought. While that may work for basic bitches who think this way about $3000 handbags, it doesn’t translate to selling cars. Acura and Lincoln are stuck with this problem as well, and bmw and Mercedes are nearing it with their new model ranges. Only Audi and Volvo are somehow free of this marketing department driven product portfolio.

80k is a pretty steep price.

Can you go jack off to anime somewhere else fedora?

You people have made it impossible to be enthusiastic about any aspect of Japanese culture or products without people thinking that I Wear a kimono and tabi at home while I jack off to 2D tentacle rape porn.

>>it’s a screaming deal compared to the hi-po versions of the 5 series and E class.....

Lemme guess, you desperately try to tell yourself you're not a weeaboo, but just can't fight the urges to buy fake katanas and watch lolis, right?

Oh fuck I’ve smoked myself stupid

I’m forgetting to attach picture and I’m fucking up greentext.

The last anime i watched was voltron when I was like 4 and it was on TV back in the early 80’s.

I just like jap engineering and electronics when they are trying their best. It’s an elegant and pride filled approach to making things that I can appreciate.

>This is now a GS/Aristo thread

FUCK OFF, you RUINED MY THREAD! REEEEEEEE

NOW, TELL ME YOUR REACTION ON THIS NEWS. Indifferent? Don't care about the successor of GS will not be happened in the future?

Indifferent, even though a 2012-2015 GS is Iikely my next car once I no longer have a need for the gigantic back seat of my current LS430.

My expectation is that the next generation IS will grow in size to recoup some of the GS’s former market. The IS has always been too small, and we are quickly leaving behind the notion of “3 series, 5 series, 7 series” market segments as th competition diversifies product lines. It’s sad to see the paradigm change, but I don’t think Lexus will completely abandon those seeking a RWD bias full featured sedan.

yeah they do lmfao and get your head out of your ass about TNGA, anyone with half a brain would read up about that and go "wow, that's actually a brilliant idea", I bet you're one of the Americans that would've ended up telling pic related to fuck off decades ago for his "stupid" ideas

I know the rendering isn't even official but it certainly looks good.

>this shitty ass reddit formatting

didn't even read any of your posts, but I bet they're all retarded as fuck

Its so easy to argue with you because all your points are so retarded
So much better than the germans and brits

>2.0L straight 4
>2.5L straight 4
>3.5L V6
The only engine the ES doesn't have that the GS does is the top model 5.0L V8.

>European
No wonder, in the states There were no 4 cylinder Lexus

looks like a camry desu

What euro lexus' have 4 cylinder engines?

Apparently the ES and GS according to