Do you clutch brake?

it takes me about 4 hours to do a clutch job(i'm fat and don't have a pit or lift)
pads take what? an hour?
A clutch should do 250 or 300k before needing replacement

Well I still get around 25~28 km/l, I use that as measure for clutch wear considering that I'm fairly constant at driving.

that's very good mileage(4litre per 100km is 70 imperial mpg)
I'm guessing you drive a modern diesel econobox like a diesel corolla or something french?

You're right, I was guessing based on huge diesel truccs, which I really don't know anything about owning.
I've been teaching family, coworkers, and friends how to drive in my shitbox for years and always tell them "just give it more gas" if they have problems. I replaced the clutch when I got the car and its only been 4 years / 150k(ish) miles and only now starting to feel a bit worn.

get a job friendo

4 hours isn't much in the grand scheme of things, but back when I owned a furd escort, replacing the clutch was something I wouldn't wish upon my most hated mechanic. At least it was cheap and didn't take much time, it just wasn't fun.

Are we just glossing over the fact that this madman measures clutch wear in fuel economy?!?
Off all things that can cause high fuel consumption, a worn clutch wouldn't top my list.
And off all things you'd notice a worn clutch with, high fuel consumption wouldn't be on it.
Then again, i drive a manual.

No, I rev-match up to 2nd. I do rely on engine braking a lot though.

>didn't take much time, it just wasn't fun.
just FWD things

Actually it's a '02 Ford Focus 1.8 TDDi, which in the technology scale is fairly primitive. Also not having the DPF makes a huge deal in consumption (the regeneration in particular as it literally sends diesel out of the exhaust). I was fairly surprised too when I started to see that it wasn't much thirsty.

>And off all things you'd notice a worn clutch with, high fuel consumption wouldn't be on it.
More wear = more slippage which can worsen the fuel economy to 0 when the clutch literally doesn't grip anymore to the flywheel, also high RPM for any given speed would be a red flag.

Yes, up until 3rd. Then I let it coast and try to feather the brake just a bit whilst I prepare to depress the clutch and go to neutral.

It still amazes the amount of retards who only use the brake pedal to brake.

For some reason... just shifting (up or down) into 2nd is all jerky and retarded in my car.

Maybe its just me, idk :( All the other gears are fine..

I don't have a clutch. Checkm8, faget.

Do you have any idea how a clutch works?
Because it really seems like you don't.

But he's right, after replacing my clutch I got a good extra 2-3mpg

My car stalls out if I only use the brake

I find I have to tap the gas more to revmatch from 3 to 2, probably something about the gear heights having a slightly greater distance than 4-3 or 5-4

Literally me

I engine break if I’m slowing down for the traffic in front of me sometimes but even then I put the break lights on just out of fear of getting rear ended

I tap even if I'm going 6-5. Otherwise the clutch has to drag the engine up to speed and that means either jerking if you want to do it fast, or lot of slipping before you can get back to driving.

3-2 is ideal for practicing technique because you can do it often in the course of regular driving. I've managed a halfway decent 2-1 like a handful of times but it really isn't that useful day to day.

What the fuck is clutch braking

Clearly you're too young to experience a worn-out clutch.

>tfw go from 6th to first while highway speed
>tfw still 1.4k revs to go till redline

I love dailying a sportscar

Fuck whatever Veeky Forums says. If it were for Veeky Forums I'd be revmatching every downshift I do. And that would be especially retarded since my car has a "throttle" limiter that prevents you from accelerating upwards of 3000 while the clutch is depressed.

Yeah, it's this term an autist just made up in a previous thread about rev matching.

but he's right. if your clutch slips, you're not transferring as much power to the wheels as when it doesn't, so your engine has to do produce more power, and thus use more fuel to get the same whp, giving you worse fuel economy.

Please do not reply to my posts.

That's not how it works though, if you slip a clutch it decreases the amount of friction between the engine and the gearbox (using the clutch plates).

The more you decrease the friction the less power you make at the wheels until you get 0% friction, or total disconnection between engine and gearbox and the engine revs freely.

Once the clutch starts to slip it becomes almost exponentially easier for the engine to overwhelm the given level of friction and free-rev, which is why you can push the clutch pedal to the bite point and still rev the engine freely.

>Ford Focus
Well, it is a rather light econobox, it's made to save fuel

>what is rev matching

Not our fault your car has some retarded cuckoldry designed into it.

Champ, if your clutch is slipping, by the time you slipped your clutch for a mile to see a difference in your miles per gallon your friction plate will be more glazed over and useless than your president in a climate change meeting.

ITT Manuels justifying their choice for standard transmission.

Or I can drive properly.

Whay do you mean by "clutch braking"? I guess when I am in heavy stop and go traffic and we are moving way too slow for the engine not to lug I will just put in the clutch and let the car roll via momentum using only the brake. It's actually really bad for the transmission because you end up taking off again often thus wearing your clutch, and if you downshift to 1st when the car is still moving like I do you fuck up your gears/synchros.

That's why God invented rev matching and heel-toeing so you can snick it back down to 1st seamlessly.

Or just accept that in the course of your car ownership you're probably going to replace the clutch once if you keep it long enough, and then stop worrying about your poor clutchy-wutchy.

No I just brake until the revs get too low, coast to a stop and change to 1st

How do you take off from a standstill?

I try to rev match when I am not going to slow down. On the highway, I will downshift into 3rd before coming to a stop unless I am travelling at a very slow speed. However, I never rev matched when downshifting to 1st. Even when I downshift to 2nd a lot of the time I don't need to rev match because I am going at such a slow pace it's not really much more ware on the clutch than if you were taking off from a full stop.

You jump on a forklift and press the clutchbrake

Oh sure. From the highway I'll usually knock it to 4th if there's a long exit ramp to deal with yet, and 3rd if I need to slow down faster. 2nd usually only if I'm already going at local road speeds.

But heavy traffic where you might actually want to go from 2nd to 1st, that's where you get a lot of slipping and/or jerking if you don't use your elite skills. If you can master the 2-1 downshift in slow traffic, you can also catch a fly with chopsticks and be the karate kid.

Only when pulling a trailer

not him but my friend explained it as downshifting without revmactching so your cluch takes the brunt of the hit and has exsessive wear

it's kinda like the weakest link in the chain when you think about engine braking

trans and engine are much stringer then some friction plates

i used to do it without realising that i'm wearing down the cluch faster then i should

now if i engine brake with downshifting
i rev match more

Regarding OP , no i don't clutch brake any more

I rev match until 3rd, then I keep it in just until I stop.

If I just have to slow down I sometimes drop it into 1st or 2nd if I have to.

>driving 70 km/h
>red lights ahead, i am in 5th gear
>release the gas pedal, still in gear
>brake a bit, calculating if I can do it with as little braking as possible
>when the the engine starts to cough (at about 20 km/h) I change to no gear
>shift to 1st only when starting, watching through other cars windshields when can I expect the traffic to move

I hope all of you are doing exactly this

No, I do not kill my engine like that

No but recently I drove automatic car for the first time in my life and I brake-clutched

You mean implanted your face into the steering wheel?

I would if I didn't fasten my seat belt

Or you know... you could push in the clutch all the way and slowly push on the breaks if you need to come to a halt.

>replaces clutch every year

user i...

what's your shitbox? mine is the same way and i'm not sure if it's me driving poorly or if it's my truck

>coasting
you just failed your driving test

clutch braking isn't a thing
what the actual fuck are you even talking about?

>implying implications
Pushing in the brake and letting the RPMs go down to the point where your engine is going to stall, ain't no better.

And I passed my exam three months ago thank you.

>driving at 60mph in a 40
>light turns red up ahead
>drop a gear and speed up to 70
>rip the hand brake and put that bitch sideways
>wink at your girl as im going sideways at 70 in a 40
>stop sideways behind the cars with no room left
I laugh at all the people grinding trannies and bogging down engines.

>Pushing in the brake and letting the RPMs go down to the point where your engine is going to stall, ain't no better.
its not just ain't no better its fucking terrible.
lugging the engine like that can cause all kinds of bad shit. and not like the non existent wear from a little clutch slip, real actual damaging engine wear.

I don't do gear reductions/clutch brake when I don't have the space/time to do them, like I said, three month driver, I just slip in the clutch and slow down with the brakes.

What is wrong with putting it in neutral and braking?

fuck off retard, i'm not talking to you

People say its "bad driving". It also fails you on a drivers exam. It works for me though.

if there is an emergency situation and you need to rapidly accelerate, you are fucked.
Also in modern cars coasting on neutral increases your fuel consumption

you remove drive to the wheels which reduces the ability to control the car.

>coasting on neutral increases your fuel consumption

jesus titty fucking christ, you are retarded as fuck.

wrong

Italian """""""engineering"""""""

Nah, senpai. Carburetors have been out of fashion since at least the '90s. You are the retarded one.

When the engine is disengaged it consumes exactly the same as if it was idling no more no less, because it fucking is idling you retarded motherfuckers.

take a second to think about it.
i believe i you user!
remember the wheels and transmission are connected to the engine.

lets figure this one out together.

But they aren't when in neutral

>remember the wheels and transmission are connected to the engine.
not when you are pushing in the clutch. yet the engine is still running, it is running disengaged from the rest of the drive train, it is idling, it is still consuming fuel, it doesnt matter if the car is moving or not, it isnt engaged to the transmission. it is consuming just as much in neutral as if it was parked.

It's literally a semi truck thing. Even with the clutch pushed in, the trans spins too fast to put it in any gear unless you push the clutch even farther to engage the clutch brake, which slows the trans down to a stop so you can put it in gear.

Just shut up you lost

It actually makes sense since the engine makes all the torks at 1,750. It prevents you from needlessly spinning your wheels.

I see no one is able to pull the wool over your eyes!
Imagine for one second what happens when you are slowing down, but not in neutral AND haven't depressed the clutch pedal.

Come on user, i'm throwing you a fucking bone here and you're making yourself look like a real asshole.

That's a transmission brake

>but not in neutral AND haven't depressed the clutch pedal.
literally moving goal posts

If you have a 4,000 rpm redline then that's not problem

I sure do but only with the brakes. Nearly 140k miles without a single bit of rev-matching and my clutch is just fine. no memes here.

the goal posts were only ever in your mind user

5000rpm actually.

just started driving and i noticed im doing it. lets just see you faggots drive your shitboxes in the philippines where jeepneys are everywhere.
>60 kmph
>jeepney in front of you drops a passenger in the middle of the road
what the fuck do you do? only choice is to clutch break.

No, the option is either
A) brake, using the regular brakes and engine braking
B) Give gas and say it was a drug dealer

Just yank the ebrake so the passenger runs out of the way as you skid toward his otherwise certain demise.