/tf2g/- Team Fortress 2 General

It essentially lets a spy live forever though if he can get to ammo

yeah, but they rarely ever got kills because they were so skittish
it's only powerful if you think living as long as possible comes ahead of getting picks

>spy
>good at getting picks
if you want picks that bad just play sniper

What is the least used weapon if Mantreads were the 2nd least used?

sharpened volcano fragment

Some people actually use that in Medieval Mode and even outside of it for just being a meme, the Sun on a Stick on the other hand it's shit even for a meme, so my guess is that.

if it was sun on a stick they probably would've addressed it in the scout updates
it has to be a pryo weapon because they'd mention it being the least used, if it's not the volcano fragment then it's probably the third degree

stock syringe gun

I mean I would like some explosive resist when I'm using the mantreads maybe just like 20% or something. I would like to not be locked into using it with the airstrike or the liberty launcher.

what if mantreads also gave fall damage immunity

The big thing I didn't like about the dead ringer is that if you drop the cloak you keep the buffs from the dead ringer. Speed buff and afterburn. It's annoying to see it used as just a giant middle finger to pyros.

That would be interesting. Would make people jumping around with the rocket jumper basically have free jumps all the time though. I'm not quite sure how it would work out.

it does if you land on someones head

>all these faggy sniper mains breaking their fucking arms jerking themselves off over the ambassador nerf
>"lol spy wasn't meant to be a sniper haha get fucked :^)"
>meanwhile, heavy and soldier can still set players on fire for no obvious or logical reason, nobody fucking cares
I feel sorry for pyro mains.
t. neutralfaggot who knows better than to put all his eggs in one basket with a single class

>implying people who like the amby nerf aren't people effected by it, such as scouts, pyros, and medics where a single lucky headshot will remove whatever advantages they had
better idea; force spies to need to scope. headshots do 90 damage. done, shitty sniper for spy mains, less reliable in close combat

>better idea; force spies to need to scope. headshots do 90 damage. done, shitty sniper for spy mains, less reliable in close combat
that's literally the opposite of what should be done(or what Valve wants do to, for that matter)

>everybody arguing against something must be ideologically opposed to it
>a valid game design argument doesn't count
>special cases from other classes that are heavily restricted, like a pointless aoe circle around an immobile class and a charge attack that essentially stuns yourself for a considerable amount of time and is widely regarded as completely useless matter in that discussion

yeah well valve wants to make rng the ultimate decider to whether or not the crosshair is actually accurate so i dont give a shit. using weapons like beggars bazooka is the most infuriating shit, i dont care if i can risk my balls deleting a heavy around a corner 2 feet away i cant do shit against a sentry outside of it's range of effectiveness. point being i don't think making the weapon more inaccurate is good balancing, they have not removed the ability to get headshots, its just now if you get headshot across the map you will feel like you are being fucked over by rng and not just a poor unlock

>not one post about the rescue ranger
Engies deserved it desu, when I played more it was unreasonably good.

i think that and the crusaders crossbow is widely agreed on. i wish they would remove uber gain from crossbow altogether just so i can use other primaries again "because i prioritize building uber over healing across the map" so then i could actually have fun with the overdose again

I see what you are saying. Perhaps giving the abby a range were the headshots simply don't work anymore. Though this may be hard to telegraph to the player if someone is in effective range for a headshot.

Valve want's it to be worse at long range but still acceptable at medium to close range
they tried to do that with rng, which is retarded, but it doesn't mean they still shouldn't try to accomplish the same goal

they wouldn't go for that, im pretty sure ive read somewhere maybe even the notes page itself that they didn't like having items where people had to guess how effective they would be like that

what about nothing but minicrits on headshots? surely having no damage falloff would be a pretty big deal in itself without seeming absolutely bullshit

that would make it less annoying, but it would also make it way worse than the other revolvers
what they should do is simply add damage fall-off, so if you are at close range it deals 102 damage but if they are at the other side of the map it deals way less

minicrits with enough damage to still 2 shot a sniper might be interesting to use.
What about damage scaling on distance from medium range off?

>cowmangler still not nerfed

In all honesty even if it wasn't overpowered I just found excruciatingly frustrating to go against. My autism forbids me from letting an obvious DR spy live because I know he'll come back and get me when I'm not paying attention or he'll just annoying and kill some poor schlomo on my team. If a shitty spy is being obvious coming up behind me I wanna punish him for it by killing him, but instead he just feigns and fucks off only to come after 10 seconds to annoy me again leaving me overly paranoid or I have to waste my time chasing him down making sure he's dead. Shit's annoying and I hate it so much. But really I'm just one autistic fuck.

The real issue is that fall-off is the actual game mechanic for dealing with distance. They should make the Amby headshots deal damage based on distance and double it, instance of making it crit.

Isn't it still shit because of the slower reload? I haven't played in a year but I'm jumping back in.

pretty sure they fixed that

They fixed the reload now. It's pretty much the same as the other rocket launchers now

>We don't want Spies to be sniping at long range
>But Snipers quickscoping at short range is A-OK

All it has is lower damage to buildings iirc

Infinite ammo rl

>spy will never be fixed
>he will always be the worst class
why the FUCK is he still in the game then it pisses me off

>dubspol
>2 sentries on last
>medic ubers me
>start spamming
>for some reason he just takes my uber off and gives it to someone else
>get shredded to pieces by enemy fire + sentry aimbot
i'm kinda mad
just a little bit

There's nothing to fix about spy, he's fine, stop being autistic

>sniper picks better
>demo/soldier/medic counter engineer better
>scout flanks better and also arguably counters sniper better

>Sandman feels random so we nerfed it

Random crits removed soon?

Underpowered classes are fine, the game doesn't need to be rock paper scissors.

I'd bet my first born child that random crits are gone this update

What do you propose they do?

For the Ambassador, beyond a certain distance of hammer units, critical headshots become mini-crit headshots.

For Snipers, the reverse. Headshots are mini-crit headshots unless past a certain distance of hammer units.

spy is beyond underpowered though, he's straight up outclassed.

>unlock compared to a stock component
nope

I'd be down with that change.

>Spy's role is close to mid-range combat
>We need to fix that
>Sniper's role is long range combat
>Nah fuck that let him be effective at any range

>uber shitty soldier running blackbox because hes the only person i see nearby
>oh look a demoman came walking in he would do the job much better
if you get ubered do damage to sentries but don't jump straight into them. imagine you are invulnerable but that invulnerability can be taken at anytime there

>implying having to fucking zoom in, whereas spy doesn't at all, isn't enough of a detriment for a class with 125 health

is pyro still useless in meta and fine for pubs?

>escape plan
>you are marked to death AND medic can barely heal you
Is it really so hard to deal with a low hp fast running Soldiers? Buff that thing retards.

Also, they literally killed sandman and the ambassador. I hate you valve stop pandering to skilles f2ps.

If you can't see the hypocrisy in Valve's train of thought, then make sure you put your tard helmet on before you go outside.

for now yeah, maybe when the update drops it might change that
don't bet on it though

in highlander pyro is considered very valuable as he can keep spam and spies away from the combo, as well as denying ubers

The amount of Spies who can headshot long-distance targets with regularity is amazingly small.

The amount of Snipers who can headshot short-range targets with regularity is amazingly small.

Why change one and leave the other unmolested. That's not balance, that's playing favorites.

You have the numbers on that? Nice. So how's the update coming along?

there is no hypocricy, sniper is not effective at close range. he CAN hit headshots at close range, after he zooms and accurately tracks with 20 fov, and you know what, even after this nerf the ambassador CAN still hit headshots at long range. theres no hypocrisy in that because they never said they didn't want sniper to have options at close range, but they did say they didn't want spies to have options at far range.
>muh fairness in a game designed to be imbalanced for the sake of classes and relying on teamwork to win
next youll cry that every class in the game doesn't have a pocket sniper

VALVE SPEAKS
spy boys btfo
excited for whats to come please dont hurt me again

playing some casual (NA) for a few rounds. Send an add or a message if you want in.

How will valve treat the banners in the future?
The shotguns are getting revamped with the panic attack actually being good now
The mantreads are good because you can bomb medics much easier, scouts don't push you back and you can move at weird angles

Why would a pocket run a buff banner or a battalion's backup? Are they doomed to just being pub weapons?

should i still use the ambassador and DRpost-nerf or switch to stock, i have no problems using either

OUR LORD AND SAVIOR MR PALADIN IS STREAMING ATM

>sandman
>Max range balls now do 50% increased damage (from a base of 15)
literally "applies afterburn to players who teleported on a monday" tier of useless stat

w-with a whopping s-seven point five extra damage, i-it'll surely pick up more long range k-kills, r-right?

>these new mantreads

I really want to see a change in the Conch. I play Demo a lot and it really pisses me off that simply having that thing equipped means I have to hit him with 3 pipes instead of 2.

why didn't you use png's of the turners
why didn't you put any effort into that picture

...

anyone?

I mean, the cleaver went from 50 to 68 if you hit someone literally 2fort balcony-to-balcony with a projectile.
Now, that was completely useless.
>removed crits on stunned targets instead of making it unique to the cleaver aka fixing bugs
motherfuckers
>-1.5s recharge if you hit someone at a little more than medium range
whatever, it charges friggin fast already

Has someone played that mod that STAR_ created where the scout bat made him jump into the statosphere and made him turn like that?
gardening people will be a shitton of fun, literally all you have to do now i practice the swing time, 200% aircontrol is crazy

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So, Samurai.

you know the rules

nice tf2 post

>Be a useless untouchable fuck half a mile away
>Sometimes click on people the right way
>This is supposed to be fine
>Be a long range class caught in a CQ situation
>Manage to hit a fast moving target while under fire with a considerably lowered mouse sensitivity and fov
>Skill must not be rewarded

Veeky Forums isn't /v/ senpai

whats tf2?

A recently revived video game

strawpoll.me/13247863

Well shit I am in the tf2 tab, thought you were making a demoman joke.

>Be a useless untouchable fuck half a mile away
>Sometimes click on people the right way when they finally get in your face
>This is supposed to be fine
>Be a class using a weapon that is based on having good aim
>Manage to hit a moving target the size of a gnat with considerably higher mouse sensitivity and fov
>Skill must not be rewarded

if they ship the update like this, the amby is dead, a non perfectly accurate gun will never be able to headshot in this game.
DR will still be usable sometimes, but since it takes 20 fucking seconds to recharge with no way to speed it up except etranger/big kill, i'd see the % of spies using it drop by at least 60%

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are backwards quotes your signature or something? or do you do that to attempt to get the last word in the matter because good chance they wont reply back to you because no link?

>being so assblasted about your crutch finally getting what it deserves you change your alias and spam binds

The Jill screenshot has been posted a gazillion times by now, how have some people still not seen it

it does suck, they could at least:
>no picking up sentry metal
>small ammo pack = 5% cloak
>medium ammo pack = 15% cloak
>large ammo pack = 25% cloak

They are trying to discourage predictable pickup behaviors. If they made it like you suggest, all the gibus spies would just die on the way to ammo packs, even though they aren't really worth it.

how was their fragging

Because people here derive satisfaction from posting inane shit and seeing people riled up
This way you actually have to read my post to make sure i'm replying instead of just following the red notification

For those who missed it, this is what rocket jumping will look like with the new mantreads
youtube.com/watch?v=I3ncHrm_8Io
youtube.com/watch?v=_gfMedqIyd8

shitters actually think that people will agree with them if they become annoying cunts and spam binds

I really should've expected this from people who actually like the dead ringer

>parachute nerf
Aw fuck, it was like the funnest thing they've added to the game
I mean yeah sometimes it was obnoxious and this kills ez mode gardener fags, but still