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Steamgroup
steamcommunity.com/groups/vanheimageofvidya

>Group chatroom
steam://friends/joinchat/103582791434709795

>wiki
dom4.wikia.com/wiki/Dominions_4_Wiki

>Dom4 Manual
jaffa.illwinter.com/dom4/manual_dom4.pdf

>Our pastebin (Don't bother reading this right now, it needs an overhaul)
pastebin.com/uTZnjYwm

>Dom4 Inspector
larzm42.github.io/dom4inspector/

>Noob questions answered that you didn't think to ask
web.archive.org/web/20150430021604/http://www.desura.com/games/dominions-4-thrones-of-ascensions/forum/thread/core-mp-concepts-that-i-wish-somebody-had-told-me-about/

>Pretender designer
bsielski.github.io/pretenders/

>Play by email guide:
steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=202096551

>Debug Mod:
dropbox.com/s/eo3qbjlixfghvs4/Debug.zip?dl=0

>Debugger guide and download
forum.shrapnelgames.com/showthread.php?t=36453&highlight=debug

>Where do I get it?
It is available on Gamersgate and Steam

>THE BASICS
>Read the manual
>Read the wiki
>Watch some LPs by Sy, Maerlande, or Nuclearmonkee
>Jump into MP feet first; ask for pretender advice in the thread

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What the fuck happened there?

Porn spammer bot from /vp/ slid more than half the threads

Some people really have nothing better to do than to fuck with Veeky Forums. Sad.

That makes me so, so happy. I was really worried the series would have an unsatisfying conclusion. This gives me a lot of hope. Thanks, user

satisfying might not be the word for it. I liked it, but it made one of my friends REALLY mad.

why?

one of the best thrones in the game unless you're cancer Mictlan

Note that -100 income is tied to the province, so it'll never take away more than that province is worth

Not really sure I fully understand how resistances and damage work. For instance, if a unit had 15SR and was size 6, would they effectively take 0 damage from an air elemental?

yes

Oh dear, now I'm concerned. Without spoiling too much, is it possible to say what made him mad?

I mean, I know a lot of people hoped Kellhus would 'lose' but I like the guy, so I was hoping he would 'win.' So if it's something like that, I can understand.

About what?

>three threads later still waiting for turns

Really not possible to go too much into it without major spoilers, I think. But I mean, the series is called The Second Apocalypse.

One more question. Is PD hp separate from army hp for routing purposes?

I get ya. And if you're implying what I think you are, then that was something I assumed would happen. Well, I won't ask any more questions. I ordered the book so I'll read it when I get it in a few days. Thanks again, user

Vanarus do your fucking turn.

yes

wait, an air elementals damage for lightning swarm is 6 and str is 15. Isnt that 21 damage base? Why would 15 SR negate it entirely?

str isn't added to lightning swarm

Why not? Is it just 'weapons' that have str added?

Hello everyone! I already asked last thread, but since it was the end of the thread and many people couldn't have seen it or answered to it, I'm doing it again!

A few days ago, I released my first mod, an EA custom nation called Thalamanth, that's about sacred amazons and strong air magic. I already had the opportunity to balance it a bit, but I'd love to have more feedback to balance it even better, especially since only a few people told me what they thought, and furthermore since I'm getting contradictory feedback (some people saying the nation is too strong, others it's too weak). Mainly, I'd like some feedback from people who actually tried the nation against AIs, rather than just checking it on the inspector. Plus, you might actually have fun on the way!

While doing so, you'll notice several things that must all be taken into account when discussing balance: first, everything is very expensive; second, some mages get a lot more powerful when using some national items that are restricted to them (no other unit can wear them); third, there are many national spells. What I mean here, is that while the nation has some great strengths and some great weaknesses, they are supposed to balance each other out; my goal is to make the nation neither among the top 5 of the base game, nor among the worst 10. It should be somewhere in the middle (although it's not a problem if it's in the top of this middle). I think it's very hard to have a realistic idea of the powerlevel of the nation without actually trying it in game.

Here's the link to the thread and download: z7.invisionfree.com/Dom3mods/index.php?showtopic=3411
I'll lurk a bit on domg, but don't hesitate answering the thread or mailing me either! Thanks already for your help!

github.com/larzm42/dominions-tools

Does anyone know how to use this to modify the names of research paths? Or, better yet, does anyone know how to use this at all?

I know python, but there is basically no documentation whatsoever.

reposting from last thread; pls help

It's just that lightning swarm specifically doesn't add strength to its damage. There's a few things that don't, cross/bows most obviously, although there's a couple craftable whips and Snake Bladder Stick that don't as well, from memory. You just have to check sometimes.

Do you mean changing the actual names of the schools in game?

If so I don't think that's possible.

I recruited them because they did more base damage (fighting in cold 3), had longer reach, and did blunt. I wasn't sure if the two attacks of the dual wielding steel maidens with slash/pierce was worth it against skeletons with pierce resist also wasn't sure if each of the two attacks triggered separate repel checks.

each subsequent attack does have its own repel check, but the effective length of the weapon goes down by one each time, meaning that with lots of attacks, later attacks don't get repelled.

also the pierce resistance ain't no thang since longdead have tiny hp pools and SoG maidens will 1 shot them regardless

Is it possible to use these tools to modify the game at all? Or is it exclusively for extracting sprites and other information?

And yeah that is what I'm trying to do. I also want to change other things which can't be changed with mods.

Not really possible.

Ermor please take your turn instead of staling...

Both are very helpful thanks. I'll have to use them instead of the maulers next time.

desu trying to make your soldiers kill 9 gygjas propped up by skratti slaves worth of skelly spam is just the wrong approach. Skelly spam is actually really good against troop-buff tactics unless your troops in question are REALLY fast and REALLY killy, in which case the fight is decided by critical mass (which for steel maidens basically requires quickness, which you won't have early). Use elementals (buffed fire is best, but unbuffed fire, earth, air, and ice all work) or multiple round 1 equake casts. You can potentially get arrows to work if you have a bajillion squads, all placed forward and all set to 'fire' and hope to blind tag enough mages to break them, but it's in no way guaranteed.

Wouldn't you stale if you were in his position though?

Ah shit does this mean you're going to kill me now?

Somone in ded thread needed me?

Someone asked who you were, so I asked for them

you should assume yes and kill them now

kill them with your killy killing things that you totally have

I jest, I haven't even begun attacking him yet, If you wanna fight I'm game, my second Jag production facility just came online.

Oh shit I didn't know there was a Dominions general

Best pretender for LA Ulm to just shit out nonstop vampires?

Should I even bother putting the 3/3 for Heritage on my pretender? Is there a better option?

E4D3B3 awake maneater

This will be Ermor's second stale. We won't be waiting for them on further turns.

well there is

No scales?

Are you meming me? Why man-eater?

Ironically enough, you may not believe it but I actually made that pic. I made a later one since people always complained about the clutter in those played/expected/got threads.

your scales are fine. Maneater can expand reliably, since its fear aura lets it auto-win against crossbows, which are all over the place and relatively hard to take with all-ranger expansion parties. It singlehandedly turns your expansion from one of the weakest of the era where you struggle to hit 16 in year 1 to contender-level while still giving you vampire count paths and enough money scales to hit a level 5 research target by turn 14

Can I trade the man-eater for the dog or the raven?

not while having the same late age expansion power no

not really. both are squishy (the raven will sometimes just lose in melee to the crossbows in the 1-2 rounds it takes to rout them), dog doesn't fly so it has a hard time v crossbows. You can potentially use the linnormr, but it's still somewhat less reliable than the maneater and brings a less useful crosspath

Who are you?

First we get elves holding out on their turn for ages, now fish people.
When will it end?

When they do.

[sounds of hammers being sharpened]

That's not how you use a hammer.

Sounds like elf talk to me.

llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=PoggiesGoMogII

but I dont want to plz

That is how you use a hammer though. They weren't just long-handled sledgehammers, they also had spikes on at least one side: hitting things hard is good, but focusing all that force into a single point is better.

>Vanarus about to stale turn 2
noice

>against AIs
>any relevant information at all

Restart?

What the hell did you even expect, Agartha?

Yes, Coolstory. If he stales, I'll restart and kick him.

yay

Story?

wtf, can we get another restart until i get teh spawn i have now?

APOYO DE LOS MAGOS

"No."

Time to fire up that alt to make sure I get at least 1 good start.

We goan find you

Is that a GoR'd lumber construct?
...Why?

they get them from some events

I'll rebuild faster than you my dude.
Got it in an event.

Bats, don't say you want to share and then steal the stuff I can take.

Those bumps were your own fault.

mad?

Nah.

Count to Five with /domg/!

>Malakal wins again

I was hoping you wouldn't notice.

wat do

Mirror of False Impressions or ded mictlan?

That's a pretty retarded statement.

"I lost a lot of sacreds and summons and some mages, but I'll rebuild them faster than you, so my pathetic tactical acumen should be excused".

It'll still kill you though.

I don't remember offering anything other than noting that Bandar Log is pretty small sitting amid real players...I did do some of those turns very late at night but even so.

I'm not really concerned about the 50 bats. I have more where those came from.

Doubt it, my child.

You doubted it earlier too. Which one of us is confined to their cap?

You sent me this message the same turn you invaded Bandar Log, while leaving the provinces bordering me uninvaded.

I assumed it meant the obvious.

Not anymore.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but you're shittalking too much. First you said you're going to save the population of your provinces, and now it's close to 0 almost everywhere besides the northern part of the island. Then you said you'll remove me, and decided to storm my capital with that pathetic army. Check yourself before you wreck yourself, son.

>Assuming that was a peace treaty
Wew lad

It's not perfect for sure, but it's still better than just looking in the inspector. If you're REALLY dedicated to your task, try it against human players, go ahead!

At the end of the day it doesnt matter because despite my self admitted lack of skills at the game you are still losing. I can replace my losses faster than you can so I can just throw meat into the grinder until you die. Thats assuming Asophodel doesn't kill you first.

It meant it's good to be friends with bats, which is certainly true. If I'd known you were also going for it we could have coordinated it differently through some pre-turn form of chat.

As I said, I have no hard feelings over our bump there. That speculative force didn't cost me much...I lost more gold to an event on turn 2. However I do want those provinces on that island that you cannot use.

You have some anger management issues to take care of. Killing one player and then losing is not a great plan by any means. That's considering you can kill me at all. So far you were pretty terrible at it.

Also salva I'm really disappointed that you didn't respond to my salva-eqsue message in kind. I had fun writing it and was looking forward to reading what you'd come up with.

They're forest provinces. I'm Vanarus. And you're Xibalba who already has six forests and two/three caves.

While Pelagia is probably going to try to steal them from me starting next turn - nicely telegraphed there, but at least it means he's stopped eating Nazca - I'm not going to intentionally feed you more land so you can grow even huger. I understand if you want to take the throne to stop me from outright winning immediately, but I'm not going to set you up to overrun the game in turn.

You're the largest nation in the game and you're bats. I have standards.

I'm shit at the game, I never play to win. Especially in dumb UW meme games. The only games I've ever won were because everyone else got fed up and left. And I'm still doing better than you right now which must rankle a bit. If this is all some attempt at diplo to brow beat me into leaving you alone its not going to work because I'll keep sending guys at you even if it kills me now. All your badgering has done is give me a clear objective for the game other than dick about with statues under water.

That explains it.

Hmm, now that I've seen your bless of E9W9B9N9, I'm not too concerned now.