Winter tires

>how do you guys deal with TPMS?

I try to be careful to buy cars with passive ABS rotational velocity TPMS, not active TPMS that gets mounted on the wheel.

You're gonna have to work over $200 every season to moves the sensors, or just deal with the light being on.

45 degrees Fahrenheit is generally the threshold at which winter tires gain more traction than all seasons.

I live south of you (Charlotte, NC) and I run winter tires from the first week of December to the last week of February. Those are the months in which average temperature is below 45 degrees. More importantly, commute time (8 am, 6 pm) temperature is well below 45 degrees.

I was going to go for blizzaks

Gonna go pick up some firestone winterforce on 15" steel wheels for $200 CAD

Kijiji is a godsend for winters

I've never used winter tires and I'm in New England. troll thread?

>I've never worn a seatbelt while driving and I'm fine. Troll thread?

>he doesnt drive rwd vee ate with open diff on shit tier all seasons in montana winters

pleb tier m8

>You're gonna have to work over $200 every season to moves the sensors, or just deal with the light being on.
Or just get sensors that can clone the ID of the OEM ones, e.g. cubautoparts.com/products.php but thare are other manufacturers. One sensor, costs ~50€, but only once.

yea you're also the faggot that holds up traffic when snow is on the ground

drove mercedes 190E automatic through 6 winters in belgium, no winter tires ever
>literally countersteering because road tilt
now have E60 bmw
don't give a fuck

Depends on where you live. Where I'm form the winters are mostly rain with a week or two of actual snow.

>102hp truck

Wow, it makes as much power as a fucking nissan versa! LMAOing at eurocuck "pickups"

Correction, the versa makes 7HP MORE HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

spend 3$ on silicone spray for the rubbers and thats it

>buying winter tires

Bullshit, we have had over a foot of snow each time it snowed the last two seasons, where have you been?

>wasted money on OEM wheels instead of steelies for the winter
>had to pay for tire storage

>sweating your balls off in 100% humidity year round
ive been to florida, im good

>missing out on snow sports and sick cold weather gainz

I spent $700 on steelies, and General Arctics. Great winter tires.

This is our winter...we go to the beach, or drive to the snow. But we don't have winter weather delivered, we go get some if we want and then leave there and go home to sunny socal

Tires/wheels?

Good difference between a gas engine and a diesel

I got a set of basically new blizzaks for $350 last week.

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running nokia WRG3's

>live in Philly
>gets cold enough for snow and ice a few times, but can have very warm weeks in the middle of the winter
>plus also want to go up into the mountains some times
how did i do?

>he can't take the heat
Okay you got me on the winter sports; My family shares a condo in colorado and going out there is a fucking blast. Not sure if I'd want to live there though

Hercules: Avalanche Xtreme Passenger on new steelies. 1999 Honda Accord. Rural Northern Nevada.

How is that beer pack from Costco? Been looking at it, any good?

i have winter tires that i have spent at most $500 on including these wheels.

>giving a shit about HP in a truck

don't get me wrong 170lbft is a little sad but at least laugh at the correct number.

Should have gotten Toyo's instead

I'm calling bullshit, 3k for a set of winters is really high. Unless you drive an exotic car that requires pirellis, in which case post pics pls

>passive ABS rotational velocity TMPS
>$200 every season to move the sensors
>>mfw he's serious

Tire dismounting, mounting, and balancing adds up quick.

My car hereTireRack wanted to charge me $380 for TPMS for them. I said fuck that. I can buy chinese ebay senors for $45 a set.
TireRack does mount tires for free, so I was just gonna run without the sensors, and if the warning lights get too annoying, I would buy the cheap ones, and install them later.

Anyway, no warning sensor light at all. No low pressure, no missing sensor light, nothing. If I navigate to the tire pressure display, it just says "drive to display" and nothing else. No lights, no warning.

So I figure I save myself $45+ remounting fees, and just run without them. Cant say this for other cars.

Also, dont be a retard and remount your tires on stock wheels. Buy the smallest diameter wheels that will clear your calipers, usually the size of your spare, and buy big ass tall sidewall tires that have the same outer diameter.

TireRack was recommending me 225/60/16 where my stock tires are 245/45/19. I bought 215/70/16, they were $30 cheaper per tire, and had almost identical diameter as my stock setup. I dont now why TireRack was trying to jew me out of $120 for same brand tires in a different size.

I can probably break the bead myself on the huge sidewall, and install the sensors myself if I really want to save $50.

>dont buy tpms
>buy smallest diameter wheels
>buy tall winter tires
Most savings.

>live in Texas
>only snows a few inches in the snowiest winters
>unlikely to snow at all this winter
>temps only occasionally dip below freezing

Just gonna stay on my all-seasons.

Little known fact, snow tires outperform all other rubber below 50F.

My car's not interesting enough to drive spiritedly beyond just accelerating briskly. Maybe when I get a Mazda 3 I'll do parking lot-cross and perhaps care about tires then.

I to dont like lateral grip, and be a danger to others.

My discount tire will do this for free. Why do they not like you?

post hilux

265/70/r17 falken wildpeak at3w as my DD. Less than a month old, but so far so good off road. three peak mountain snowflake rated.

>fellow montana fag
Nice
>not awd
lol

Put on a set of 285/70/17 Toyo GSi-5s because MT/Rs don't like packed snow/ice. They're leagues ahead of the BFG K02s I ran last winter.

what do you drive? I don't think i've ever heard of somebody actually being happy with their K02s.

I didn't spend $1200 on meme tires so I could take them off in the winter.

BFG KO2s, but I think I have to air them down a bit. They're pretty stiff until they've run for about 15 minutes.

275/70/R17

2011 Silverado, They're a good all rounder tire, but they don't excel in anything in particular. I ended up only running them for a year and selling them, because I drive a fair amount of gravel in the summer and it chewed them to shit. The MT/rs handle it much better. The K02s are okay in winter, but nothing compared to a strict winter tire.

see this picture often. it's nice. where was it taken?

Both sets of winters were $1200 combined.

I bought OEM wheels which weren't cheap. One of my vehicles is brand new this year.

I also bought a wall rack, tire totes, OEM center caps, valve stems, and a set of wheel locks (I'm missing the locking lug on one of my wheels).

$3k gone. Given my location and driving tendencies, the winters should last at least 4 seasons. So on average the winters only cost $150 per season, which is nothing. There's just a lot of startups cost with the storage and wheels.

Yes, I could have gotten size-down steelies for next to nothing and saved money. I like the OEM wheel look on both cars. Sue me.

hoping the gravel wear doesn't happen to my falkens too bad. what makes a tire susceptible to this?

what car and wheels?

Killarney Provincial Park, in Ontario. I was up there about a month ago, it's a great park.

'06 Accord Coupe OEM 17s
'18 VW Atlas OEM 18s (fiancee's car)

It depends, I was hauling -2500lbs of chemical occasionally down a 25 mile gravel road and it tore/ripped the center lugs of my K02s in about 8000km. I've ran Toyo C/Ts, Hankook RF10s, and Bridgestone M700HDs on a 09 duramax and only get 40,000km to a set. I find if the tire is soft or designed to be all weather, than gravel destroys them. The only tire that I've found that lasts is the Toyo M55, but the MT/rs are doing okay too. Just don't drive like a mad man and keep a light foot on the gravel, they should wear okay.

I'm in the same boat for warranty reasons. Ford warranty requires that I have the same size tires and setup and it's a bit ridiculous. Even my brother, who has in the past designed complete suspensions for a large auto maker, called BS on it. But not like I can do anything about that. My own fault for driving a GT PP in the winter.

2nd set of OEM Mustang PP wheels with Toyo G3 Ice tires. Never had these tires before but what few reviews I could find suggest that they're decent enough.

I wanted 245 width tires, but for now it's stock 255 up front and 275 in the rear. When I'm off warranty and these ones wear out I'll downsize the tires then. And at least it'll keep the summer rims in good shape for when I resell them when I go up to a 20".

Got tint and vinyl PPF applied this week too so now I'm all set for winter. It's looking pretty nice.

>What are you guys running this winter?
My motorcycle.

Got your Alpinestars bullet proof vest?

Hello, fellow 265 70/R17 friend. I run Toyo Open Country AT IIs during the winter and it is miserable. I need winter tires bad.

Get some GSi-5s my friend

Do you have 4WD? Good AT's and 4WD is all you need.

make sure you post here when you crash it

are most ATs really that bad in the winter? part of the reason i went with the falkens was for the 3pms rating. what do you drive?

beautiful. tell me about your fj and how you use it and what you hate about it and if you ever use the locker.

thanks, user.

>I'm in the same boat for warranty reasons. Ford warranty requires that I have the same size tires and setup and it's a bit ridiculous. Even my brother, who has in the past designed complete suspensions for a large auto maker, called BS on it. But not like I can do anything about that. My own fault for driving a GT PP in the winter.

I worried about warranty as well. My Atlas has a 6 year 72k bumper to bumper and it wouldn't surprise me if they try to void it for any odd reason. I don't want to give them a reason.

Also, insurance. If I get into a serious wreck with medical liability in the mix while running tires a size or two down, you better believe the insurance kikes will try to use that as an excuse to not pay.

The biggest problem with AT's in the winter is that they're already a fairly stiff rubber compound, so in the winter it just gets that much harder. Softer rubber is better in the winter, no doubt. Plus the design on some AT's isn't as good as winter tires. Basically, AT's and MT's are designed with sipes/treads that throw out debris, whereas snow tires will hold a certain amount of snow in the tires. Snow on snow actually grips really well.

Nothing grips well on ice other than studs/chains, but some companies have tires (i.e. WS80) with a hydrophillic compound that helps displace grab water/moisture and bring it close to the tire surface.

Nice Taco bro. I use my FJ as a DD, so it's a commuter 4-5 days a week and a toy on the weekends. I haul a kayak (sometimes 2-3), and a good load of gear in the rear. Camping/hiking in the summer, snowboarding and snowshoeing in the winter.

Cons:
-no heated mirrors (it's winter 5 months of the year here, kind of a PITA - and they already ran power to the mirrors for adjustment and marker lights, so wtf)
-rear cargo area doesn't go completely flat - there's a weird arch where the back seats come down, so you need to level it out if you want to sleep in there/slide stuff all the way to the front
-oil changes are kind of a bitch, they switched from a normal cartridge filter to a multi-part system, plus I have to take off skid plates every time
-no transmission fluid dipstick/filler

Other than that, no relevant complaints. Still has better visibility and handling than a fullsize van or truck with a capper. Not an ideal choice if you have a family, though. Back seats aren't great.

Oh, one last con:

-if you have the subwoofer like mine, and you need to change the passenger brake light...you have to remove the fucking sub to get at the access port

Should've been a 2 minute job, turned into 40 minutes and a sliced hand. Fucking thing better not burn out again.

Why would I crash it?

how can they even justify that as being a warranty risk? if anything a narrower tire makes the car safer in the winter

Oh, didn't realize you were bragging about wasting money at first. Should have said you got it for two cars from the beginning.

>Implying technical facts matter in the court of law

Judges and mediators are incompetent

t. Software engineer who has been involved in tech IP lawsuits

Whoever has the deepest pockets and biggest team of kike lawyers wins.

I can see why car companies wouldn't want to cover non-OEM stuff. If your $50 Chinese steelie + no-name tire blows out and breaks some shit, I wouldn't want to be liable, either.

It's 1000% BS but "Ford Engineering" calls it out as being a "risk to the PP suspension tuning". It's not just for winter tires. Putting anything on it but the stock staggered setup is a warranty killer. It's dumb.

I'm not the first person to butt my head against the warranty wall here. Thankfully my dealer got me a good deal on it and it only cost $100 more than the 245's on 19x9 square setup I was aiming for before.

Definitely interested to see how the tires deal with some snow but probably still weeks away from anything sticking around. They're already way better than the damn P-Zero's at dealing with the temps hovering around freezing that's for sure.

Well that's the funny thing... I was trying to get OEM approved parts - the 19x9 setup I mentioned here so it wouldn't have been rando parts. It still would've been whomever Ford themselves get their gear from (probably still Chinese, I suppose). Still no dice.

Fuck man, that's gay. That's why you don't DD a Mustang in the winter. Just get an old RAV4 or something for $4,000 and use it as a winter beater.

I work at a tire shop and the numbers and information you typed up is just crazy. Here's an industry pro tip; tpms sensors are a scam. We get them for $10 and sell them for $60 a piece. Also, $200 to swap sensors over every season? Who the hell told you that? Whats the point of buying a set of winter wheels if you want to swap the sensors over every season? If the light bothers you either buy 4 new sensors or just deal with it. You're looking at the road 99% of the time anyway.

Also I don't understand the whole lecture about buying wheels and tires has to do with anything.

Considered it, decided against it. I mean, I live in Canada and I guarantee you I will see other Mustangs, Camaros, etc. all out on our winter tires. We get a mandated insurance break for having them too, so it's not all bad news.

Oh by the way, good luck changing this out without dismounting the tire. Unless you manage to find a t10 screwdriver small enough to fit with only the top bead broken. These are what 9/10 tpms sensors look like

>either buy 4 new sensors or just deal with it.

Or run your tires at double the manufacturer's calibrated PSI and never see that stupid fucking light again.

Forgot the pic

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I'm assuming you're trying to make some sort of joke, but on passenger tires you can actually put in double the pressure and nothing bad will happen. As long as the tire is in good shape you could drive on it for short distances if you really felt like it. Every time a customer brings in a flat tire I air it up to 50 psi, makes it much easier to find.

No joke. My FJ has TPMS and they're calibrated for 30-something PSI. I run my AT's at about 60PSI.

Only stupid thing is that they've got one mounted in the spare tire on the back too, so if it gets low I have to take the centre cover off and air it up.

they rate the tires at a lower pressure because a stiffer tire puts more strain on suspension components and makes braking more difficult

>>insurance kikes
lol

Insurance kike here, that would be something used against us. Smaller/narrower tires are usually more advantageous in the winter.

We don't care about the warranty with Ford, but we would want to make sure that our multi-billion dollar company didn't have to pay $10,000 for some medical treatment so you could walk again. That's just too much, bro. Kikes gotta kike.

If you're running a light truck tire you can air them up to 80 and you'll be safe. If you're doing that on a passenger tire you're suicidal. Any Toyota product sucks for tpms related things, we have a lot of older people come in with their Lexus freaking out because their tire light is on. They claim they aired up all their tires but the light stays on, which is true, however the reason the light came on is because your spare that hasn't been touched since 2007 finally went down to 26 psi.

Only time I've seen a tire light on for high pressure is when a 16 Silverado came in to check their air pressure, they aired up their tires to 100psi, the max rated pressure was 44. After airing them down there was no visible damage and he drove away without a problem

thanks, user. i'm always interested in peoples experience with and in these fjs. oh and i'm tire bro and taco bro right now. so thanks for answering all my shit.

Firestones

now that I took the time to put them on, we wont get any good snow for the rest of the year

60psi is way to high, 35-40psi would be better.