So why do you guys not like kia?

so why do you guys not like kia?
The optima is pretty good

Drive like shit when new.
Not to mention reliability issues.

hyundai and kia are the literally who of car mfgs

no notable cars whatsoever, not even for shitboxes

the new kias are fine though

Have had wifes optima for 3 years put 33k miles on it only problem was battery end of 2nd yr
They replaced for free

I drive a Genesis and tentatively defend Korean manufacturers, but the Optima was a shitfest of metal shavings grenading engines.

Same reason why nobody's favourite food is lettuce.

Only ones assembled in the US. Worldwide their record is good in the last decade.

they're all shitty appliance cars that aren't interesting in any way

>Competing against other appliance cars