More than half of its fuels energy is wasted out of the exhaust

gets more complicated beyond your point. What is efficiency of solar powered plant? 100%, given that energy input you have to provide for it per kWh generated is nothing?

Transmission losses are an eqivalent of having to transport fuel, from oil field, to refinery to petrol station, it has to move (and refine), while renewable (better word is undepleteble or self-replenishing) powersources like tidal, solar, hydro just work happen to be there. Imagine it as a coal powerplant that has pieces of coal jumping into the burner on their own.

I swear once manking figures out how to quickly recharge batteries/cells in a car, there will be very few reasons why to use ICE.

>very few reasons why to use ICE.
apart from it being fucking gay

How efficient is it at night or overcast?
Would need a few square miles of batteries to run a city at night til sun comes up or mandate everyone to not use power at night just go to sleep.
Welp fire up dat coal to suppliment for that loss so these sissys can have starbucks and facebook allnight wih their vegan dinner

>the efficiency of solar panels is 100%

lmao no, solar panels only use a fraction of the solar energy they receive

you need a huge number of expensive solar panels to get much electricity, and solar panels do wear out

Solar panels only capture something like 15-20% of the energy that lands on them. I’ve heard Perovskite cells are being developed that are more efficient, but regular PV cells are not efficient at all, and are still expensive despite heavily reduced costs over the years.

True

They also need to be squeaky mirror shine clean all day everyday or they lose up to 25% efficiency
Gonna see jesus's solar panel cleaning companys pop after pabels take all farmland.
Illegals still took'er jobz

i think his argument was that the energy produced is effectively 100% efficient because nothing was burnt to make it.

Well then he doesn't know what efficiency is and should stop talking out of his fucking ass.

stop being a pedantic cunt everyone is aware of what efficiency is.
>[the] energy input you have to provide...per kWh generated is nothing.
Sounds pretty efficient to me

The light of the sun is the energy input, which it really doesn’t capture much of. Even if it’s not a human input, you still need to compensate for the higher area of solar panels needed to make up for that lost energy.

the energy output of the lanel / the total energy of the sun that hits the solar panel

Besides there being energy in the form of the sun's rays, you're still wrong because that wouldn't be 100% efficiency.

>ratio of what's got out per what's put in
>[nothing (0)/Something]=100%
>solar panels violate laws of basic arithmetic AND thermodynamics by your claims

Shit maybe we should invest more research into solar panels because apparently they're fucking black magic.

i understand the principle of a solar panel. you have no concept of the point being raised.
leave and never come back.

hydro floods entire valleys
vulnerable to drought
often involves river diversion
competes with irrigation and water bottling to further dry out rivers and catchments

wind turbines are noisy and catch fire easy
#bird strike lmao
Norway went all out with wind turbines (collective owned)
to the point there is so much surplus power that dividends have reduced
but if things like this are state or corporate owned the price of electricity increases

solar is best as a roofing substitute and powering water heaters
has to be kept from getting too cold or to warm - or dusty

molten salt needs too much sunlight to be used anywhere people live

Solar updraught towers are a bit fragile
and small crops are needed to stop debris from being drawn into the ducted turbines

tide capture is priddy weak for the most part
gets in the way too

geo thermal is much the same as oil
.eg it needs to be prospected for
and is a little dicey

>PM-A3 "Nukey Poo"
100% fun and safe
often built near fresh water source
fully renewable infinite fuel source

pick your poison
>tfw no wind rain or sunshine
>mandate everyone to not use power at night just go to sleep.
might not be such a bad thing
24/7 power feels weird after you don't have it for a while

just because the energy is renewable doesn't mean the efficiency is 100%

because you can turn the wheel directly?
why waste energy?

gringos don't want no window cleaner job.

no shit!
You have completely failed to grasp the argument being presented, its not even abstract! you must be the dumbest guy on Veeky Forums right now, well done.

>more than half of its fuels energy is wasted out of the exhaust
>implying

moving the panels and thermal management will take a little % away from that
but w/e wgaf
>nothing was burnt to make it
you might be surprised
however we should at least be using the most finite resources to get the more renewable types to a critical mass, where they can start to pay their own cost
ofc some things might not scale properly

the ICE may be shit, but the only thing that's worse is the batteries in electric vehicles.

electric vehicles are a meme and a complete burden.

they will never catch on or be widely used for one simple reason.

charging them.

Thing is, ice's potential is already achieved. There is still more r&d to be done on improving batteries.
When muh range is a non-issue the only thing to worry about is the weight in performance cars.

>Transmission losses are inconsequential
8%-15% is not inconsequential, fag.

>states solar panels have 100% efficency
>user calls you out on being a dumbass
>Hur dur you're stupid that's not right

? Lol just think about what you said there for a minute

>Thing is, ice's potential is already achieved.
No. Nissan are just now releasing a variable compression engine, GDI is still in its infancy, continuously variable valve trains have only just been realised.
The sad thing is, all the really interesting very efficient engines will never be built because electric.

>t.another idiot
What is wrong with you people.

his point is that solar panels require 0 energy produced, they use the energy of the sun not at 100% efficiency but the sun's energy will last for billions of years so for us solar panels take no energy to produce energy, outside of production costs of course.

But they do require energy and rare earths to be produced, and only last so long, are only good on sunny days, and when the panels are clean.

Geothermal and Hydro, and Nuclear are all cleaner better options.

never, because ICE will always hark back to the days where JOHN would strap himself to his all-mechanical deathbox and envelop himself in the pure thrills of loud, gasoline-stankin' machism, where the only thing that mattered was SPEED, and man was one with machine.
youtube.com/watch?v=IVZwCdZZvrM

This. There is still so much potential out there for the ICE to boost its heat efficency percentile, but mouthbreathers still look at it as "Oh. It has a tailpipe, so it's bad for the environment."

>more than half of its battery energy is wasted out of the heat

Your posts are so fucking embarrassingly stupid, I half expected to see Newfaggay's triptag there.

Look at how beefy those fucking tires are, God damn.

that's hilarious
so good

If you're spraying more than half of your fuel mixture out your exhaust unburned, there's something wrong with your car.

Seeing as how an ICE has been around for a bit, developed to the tits, and is now quite efficient, it absolutely gob stomps anything else available today...EV's can't compare, as the infrastructure can't support an ev or two in every driveway, and to further my point...most power delivered to homes is ng, coal, hydro, or nuke...and you faggots don't support any of the above...
>fucking faggot niggers doing the old two feet and a heart beat move...till they get shot by local constabulary...
We are living in glorious times...

I do.

t. Rotard

A steam engine is better than any newfangled electric car for range and longevity. 200+ year old technology with a few upgrades is better than Tesla meme cars.
>"Muh 0 to 60 times"
Yes because that's what you use a huge truck for, not going long distance. And wouldn't the g forces from the Tesla trucks acceleration mean the load it's carrying has to be better secured than normal? Makes no sense

>driving a bomb

>you can see the electricity sparking and flashing like mad on the inside
FUCKING RAD

Are you some sort of pussy who's afraid of a big water heater?
Also
>Lithium battery
>Not also a bomb

Solar panels are not 100 percent efficient.

>nuclear powered car
>gets in minor fender bender
>entire city block evacuated because of radiation
>mfw

You could make a perfectly safe nuclear power car by using radioisotopes rather than fission reactors, but you would need a battery/supercapacitor to store excess power when it isn't needed.

That and it's pretty expensive.

>solar powered car
>sunny day: hardly goes 60mph
>slightly overcast: can’t go more than 20mph

>Lithium batery
>ICE radiator clearly visible

Try harder you ICE cuck

Different user here. That is actually the Rimac. Batteries need to stay cool too. And I don't see ICE parts anywhere in that wreck.

This is some mad scientist shit.

If this is the future of electric engines it is a future that i am ok with.

>radiators can only belong to ICE car
>i know literally nothing about cars
t. you

>Its not even close to half, more like 1/3

After the Rad and Cat, I always assumed it was like 1/6

...

Correct. In the argument put forward the efficiency would be over 100%

this

almost killed hammond

tesla would get noticeable boost in range by having smaller gear ratio.
but they won't do it because
1) muh acceleration
2) sticking to single gearbox because "it would add unnecessary costs"

remember that bolt gets 230 miles of range while being literally shaped like a brick

Vrooom vrooom motherfucher

This gives me some interesting ideas

that's the commutator at work
>tfw the counter weights are timed to interact with a cam shaft shaped set of brushes