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also, the clones not being treated as one dimensional cannon fodder would be a good start. i think messing around with the idea that literally any one of these shadows could have been found first and be considered the real one by his friends, and even touching on the theme of "what makes him any different, special, and more entitled to exist than any of the others" would be pretty rad.
imagine him coming to terms with being a faker and generally avoiding bonding with anyone who knew the real him so as to not betray their memories of a person he isn't. rouge sticking to him out of wanting to have known the real one better and feeling responsible for waking him up and coming to form an inseparable bond for a reason, not just "because team dark means they gotta". omega not caring whether shadow is real or fake because he never knew the original.
then imagine the potential for battle damage. as a flesh and blood hedgehog, the best you're gonna get out of shadow is scrapes and bruises. but if he's a robot? you can straight up have the guy lose limbs, get holes blown in him, etc and be repaired later.
is all of this kind of "edgy"? yeah. would i love to write stories with these things in mind? hell yeah. sure as fuck beats him being an alien demon.
Michael White
Fun is Infinite.
Cameron Cooper
I HAVE THE POWER, LET ME SHOW YOU WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT!
IT'S ONLY ME AND YOU, WHO IS GOING TO SAVE YOU NOW?
William Williams
there are also a lot of ironic racism. calling somebody a nigger has nothing to do with unironically hating black people nowadays
Jaxon Rogers
Can you leave it in the old thread?
Nathaniel Morris
can we stop having this discussion in a sonic the hedgehog general before you say anything else this stupid, please. keep this garbage quarantined to the last thread.
Sebastian Parker
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Brayden Hill
I whittled down the General Interest links in the OP since they've all been there awhile, have been added to the link pastebin, and added our booru link.
Is there anything else that should be added to that section? I thought about putting the pastebins down there, but left it as is.
Asher Wilson
Sonic will NEVER EVER beat Shadow.
Jordan Perez
who is best ship?
Colton Reyes
Looks fine to me, thanks for giving it an update
Alexander Adams
I'm partial to KnuxAmy myself.
Justin Martinez
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Justin Campbell
>KnuxAmy Cuckhold pairing
Jonathan Perez
Sonic & Knuckles.
Adrian Stewart
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Samuel Rogers
In what way? Sonic isn't interested in Amy. You just like saying the word cuck.
Carter James
Metal & Omega. I really need to read the comics to see more of them.
Robert Lopez
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Brayden Perez
Not the best (that is objectively SonicxAdventure), but it is my favorite.
Henry Long
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Angel Davis
Most KnuxxAmy art always involves cuck dialogue or visuals in some way.
Jose Perry
t. cuck
someone post the webm of amy handwaving herself while knuckles does pushups
Brayden Robinson
Who is Infinite gonna be shipped with?
Kevin Gray
Not like it has any meaning anymore here.
Gabriel Nguyen
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Evan Carter
Buddy and Mephiles.
Jason Allen
Reminder that this is actually traction and not speed.
Leo Baker
I see, you guys are just retarded.
Kevin Foster
>Boom Shadow has no these fucking binds
That's good.
Robert Garcia
stay btfo cuck
Justin Gonzalez
Shadow is a cheater anyway. He uses fucking rocket boots. Without them he'd be slower than Amy.
I love Shadow but it's the truth.
Isaac Lewis
Okay now you're really outed yourself as some shipper triggered because I posted your NOTP. Listen, it will never be canon anyway. I can still like it. Calm your reees
Eli Powell
>Black Arms invade, Black Doom tries to get Shadow to help him, with promises of answers to his memory problem. G.U.N and the Sonic Heroes rise up to fight off the aliens, with the Gun Commander immediately seeing Shadow as an enemy and Sonic seeing Shadow as an Ally, while Black Doom gives Shadow some missions to complete. At some point, Shadow's rebellion makes Black Doom summon the Black Bull to fight him. Shadow gets a Chaos Emerald early on and a Chaos Emerald after fighting Black Bull. >As the Black Arms destroy everything, Eggman is mad that they are ruining his chance at building an empire, so he leads the Eggman Fleet into battle. Shadow gets caught up in this mostly to find Chaos Emeralds at first, but then he discovers the Shadow Androids. Shadow and Omega chase down Eggman, Eggman says that Shadow is indeed an Android, and so Shadow and Omega fight Eggman. Shadow gets 2 Chaos Emeralds over the course of these events. Eggman dies in the Dark path, but is spared in the Hero path. >Black Arms set out to destroy Central City, and use the Eclipse Cannon to blow up the White House. GUN escorts the President to safety, and the Black Arms chase them down. When the Aliens storm the GUN HQ, the Commander is even more determined to finish Shadow off for good. He encounters Shadow and fights him in Diablon, but is defeated. Shadow gets a Chaos Emerald out of this. >Shadow gets caught up in Sonic and the others' fight against the Black Arms, and also runs into the Chaotix as they try and investigate something. The Sonic Heroes travel to the Space Colony Arc, Sonic and Shadow race to get a Chaos Emerald and Shadow and Vector find the Computer Room, and somewhere inbetween that Shadow encounters the Commander one final time and learns that Black Doom had a hand in his creation, and that Shadow somehow caused many on the ARK to die. Afterwards, the Sonic Heroes and Shadow travel to the Black Comet. Shadow fights either Sonic or Black Doom, and gets the last Emerald.
Brody Baker
Just memin you m8. Like I said I wanted someone to post the knuckles push-up webm.
Nolan Garcia
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Chase Cooper
The Black Arms need to be retconned out entirely.
Jonathan Fisher
I like that Buddy's design way more than I should.
Wyatt Williams
Or maybe those are his actual feet since he's manufactured.
Carter Martin
basically this
Logan Jenkins
Now I'm imagining weird foot fetish fanart of this and it's a little disturbing.
Samuel Phillips
But like some other user said, The Black Arms ties up a lot of loose ends SA2 made.
Thomas Wood
how did rouge the bat come to be? did sega intentionally create greater furry bait than amy?
Jayden Davis
Well, Knuckles may be a pushover but it's not like he doesn't kind of deserve it. Plus I think he enjoys being dominated.
Nolan Mitchell
what loose ends? like, seriously, please lay them all out so they can be explained.
Carter Kelly
Dark >As Shadow finally gets the last Chaos Emerald after fighting Sonic, Black Doom reveals the true mission of the Black Arms, and Shadow goes along with it. Sonic isn't so easily defeated, however, and seeing that Shadow has fully sided with the Black Arms, Sonic is determined to stop him. True Final Boss has Shadow use the Chaos Emeralds to transform into a "Dark Super Shadow" to fight against Super Sonic. In the end, Shadow and the Black Arms conquer the world. Hero >Similar to what happened in the actual game. But, before The Last Way, it's revealed to Shadow that Maria lives on within his heart, and there's a moment where Maria talks to and encourages Shadow, then he chases down and fights Black Doom, then Super Shadow fights Devil Doom, Shadow uses the Eclipse Cannon to destroy the Black Comet. On the ARK, Shadow has a moment with Maria (who's sort of like a ghostly entity, just to be clear) and he puts the past behind him. There's an additional last cutscene where Rouge brings Shadow and Omega to GUN HQ, the Commander apologizes to Shadow, and Shadow and Omega join GUN and work under the Commander and the President.
Liam Harris
I still don't understand Classic Sonic's purpose in Forces.
Ian Moore
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Kevin Davis
>Dark Super Shadow ya blew it.
Jaxson Young
What Sonic game should i play /sthg/? First reply decides.
Juan Roberts
POST CUTE SANIC GRILLS
Eli Miller
>I'm 100% fine with the Black Arms plot because it perfectly explains a lot of shit from SA2 that really doesn't make sense.
>Why does a space station have a giant death laser that can destroy the fucking planet? Because it was created to defend against an external threat. >Why was the prototype a giant-ass lizard that can barely move and can't survive without an external life support system, yet the finished product is a comparatively tiny hedgehog? Because the addition of alien DNA solved problems that Gerald couldn't solve on his own. >Why was the government so quick to hop up to the Ark and slaughter everyone? Because Gerald's experiments had already gone on rampages twice before (three times if you include backstory provided in Battle) and his alien plot got snitched on by some kid. >How was Gerald able to put so many contingency programs in the Ark and within Shadow's mind when the station was raided? Because he was already working on them in preparation for the Black Arms invasion, and just needed to quickly rewrite them.
Ryder Scott
SASART
Caleb Butler
Heroes
Zachary Wood
GREEN
Jace Rogers
sonic 1
Kevin Gomez
We've explained it to you a thousand times, you double nigger.
Adrian Fisher
Sasart?
Samuel Gomez
Sonic and Sega All Stars Racing Transformed. It's a good game.
Julian Cooper
>hey people really liked Generations, lets do a new game with both Sonic's plus a new one
Austin Turner
Oh, actually, in the Dark version, the Maria thing is revealed as well, but Shadow basically goes against her as he sides with the Black Arms, and the final boss against Super Sonic is actually against both Sonic and Maria. And when Shadow defeats and kills Sonic, he symbolically "kills" Maria as well.
Christopher Miller
Oh ok. Yeah it is pretty good.
Hunter Murphy
Do you like or dislike Infinite's theme?
Brayden Brown
This is a thing though, Shadow can stack super form on top of his Dark or Hero mode from Shadow the Hedgehog.
Christian Davis
Name a more perfect Boom girl.
Mason Kelly
He'd be using the negative side of the Chaos Emeralds. So he'd go into a dark version of a Super Form rather than the usual gold. Otherwise, it could just be a Super form battle.
Justin Garcia
Bump in Sonic 1.
Jack Russell
sticks
Julian Long
Like.
Jason Torres
Like.
Jeremiah Miller
It was their attempt to appeal to Classicfags, but now that Mania exists, he's there to pad out the game.
I love it.
David Ortiz
Like.
Grayson Jenkins
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Noah Brooks
Wouldn't be surprised. The community was already autistic back then thanks to SA, so they capitalized on it and indoctrinated thousands of young furries, including myself and many others in this general.
Anthony Long
Padding out the game
Hate it
Brody Ross
Best team.
Anthony Green
If I were to rewrite Shadow the Hedgehog, I'd reveal that "Shadow" was never actually meant to be the ultimate lifeform. He was ultimately an artificial research assistant created to help Gerald and act as a friend for Maria. When G.U.N. raided the Ark, Gerald implanted Shadow with false memories to make him think he was the ultimate lifeform and that it was his duty to bring the Chaos Emeralds to the Ark. The logic being if Shadow simply thought he was just a guy, he wouldn't have the confidence to achieve Gerald's wish. Ultimately Shadow is in fact just a guy, like how Sonic is just a guy that loves adventure, and Shadow isn't the ultimately lifeform or anything.
The reason why Shadow can use the Chaos Emeralds is because anyone can, if they have sufficient willpower and self-control. Gerald implanting him with false memories made him think he was the ultimate lifeform, giving him the confidence to make him believe he can do what he wants, but the truth is he got through everything on sheer willpower and not some inherent super powers.
Asher Davis
>Why was the prototype a giant-ass lizard that can barely move and can't survive without an external life support system, yet the finished product is a comparatively tiny hedgehog? Because the addition of alien DNA solved problems that Gerald couldn't solve on his own. I wish the mural theory was true.
Owen Hall
okay sparky
Lucas Phillips
team? I only see silver standing by himself
Jonathan Davis
what is the mural theory
Adam Allen
Fuck off Sparky, Shadow is cooler, stronger, faster and more important than Sonic and no amount of wishful thinking or headcanon can change it.
Luke Hernandez
Hi Sparky.
Aiden Barnes
Okay, let me rephrase what happens in the Dark version.
Shadow defeats Sonic and gets the 7th Chaos Emerald. Black Doom reveals the true intentions of the Black Arms to Shadow, about how they want to feed on humanity and stuff. Shadow is willing to go along with them, but Sonic isn't so easily defeated. Sonic comes up and is determined to stop Shadow. At that moment, Sonic's heroism resonates with something inside Shadow, and Maria's heart and soul is fully awakened or revealed or whatever. Maria, transparent and glowing blue, pleads to Shadow not to do this, to be the brave and heroic hedgehog she knows he is. But, Shadow's too far gone, and goes against Maria's wishes. So Maria teams up with Sonic.
After the Last Way, Maria does something that gives Sonic a massive boost of power before he goes Super on top of it, and Shadow uses the negative side of the Chaos Emeralds to undergo a dark version of a Super form. Dark Super Shadow, with Devil Doom, fights Super Sonic and Maria. In the end, Shadow kills them both, completely destroying whatever potential for goodness remained within him, and Shadow and the Black Arms rule the world and the universe.
Logan Wright
Sparky, my boy!
Isaiah Reyes
Sparky would be arguing that Shadow, Sonic and Silver are all the ultimate lifeform and personification of Chaos and other retarded shit, not dialing down the power levels.
And besides that, I like the idea of Shadow being cooler simply because of his own willpower rather than because he was created in a test tube to be the ultimate lifeform.
Dominic Reyes
The mural theory is the belief that Gerald found the mural of Super Sonic in the Hidden Palace zone and based some of his development of Shadow on it. It would explain why Shadow's quills are more like Super Sonic's.
Grayson Bennett
>the absolute state of sparky right now
Jonathan Garcia
Dark Super Forms are the realm of fanfiction.
the Chaos Blast stuff doesn't really make it a Dark Super Form
>Why does a space station have a giant death laser that can destroy the fucking planet? Because it was created to defend against an external threat. No, the space colony has a giant death laser that can destroy the fucking planet because Gerald built it into the Ark after Maria was killed and the colony was decommissioned. The "it was actually a big happy peace laser all along" thing is fucking laughable. >Why was the prototype a giant-ass lizard that can barely move and can't survive without an external life support system, yet the finished product is a comparatively tiny hedgehog? Because the addition of alien DNA solved problems that Gerald couldn't solve on his own. The idea that Alien DNA would make the Biolizard somehow look LESS like a Black Arms and more like a fucking Sonic the Hedgehog character is also sort of a huge joke, don't you think? Shadow looks the way he does because he was designed to look like a Dark Sonic. Biolizard is a giant ass lizard because it was a test of cell regenerative abilities, like a lizard regrowing its tail, that grew rapidly and out of control. >Why was the government so quick to hop up to the Ark and slaughter everyone? Because Gerald's experiments had already gone on rampages twice before (three times if you include backstory provided in Battle) and his alien plot got snitched on by some kid. At this point a government conspiracy is more believable than aliens lol. Besides, you could have just kept the "experiments gone on rampages" part without introducing muh aliens.
The mural theory has to be true, user. Otherwise Gerald wouldn't have even known about the Master Emerald Shrine and the Super Emeralds.
Sebastian Edwards
You are all idiots. Why would I, Sparky, argue that Shadow isn't the ultimate lifeform? Shadow the Hedgehog was created to be the Ultimate Lifeform, which Sonic the Hedgehog naturally became, thus Shadow was created to be a fake Sonic. Neither of them are just some guy.
Easton Jones
Ha. Hahaha...
Justin Harris
and finally >How was Gerald able to put so many contingency programs in the Ark and within Shadow's mind when the station was raided? Because he was already working on them in preparation for the Black Arms invasion, and just needed to quickly rewrite them. Gerald was straight-up not on the Space Colony when it was raided. He almost certainly had quite some time to stew in his grief and madness.
Jeremiah Sanders
>dark super forms are the realm of fanfiction so that means you think secret rings has fanfiction tier writing?
Justin Gutierrez
Why would you spoiler a book?
Hudson Taylor
Like but only ironically
Oliver Powell
the story is literally sonic getting sucked into a storybook land, so what do you think?
Anthony Morales
never heard it
Robert Price
You're not answering the biggest question, which was how the fuck Gerald was able to reprogram everything and build a giant space laser after the Ark was raided, when he was shown to be captured afterward? Either G.U.N. just let him build a giant death laser capable of blowing up the planet, which is retarded and makes no sense, or he was somehow able to work on it while being a fugitive on the run, which also makes no sense (how would he get the resources?) and is an injection of your own headcanon as that was never stated nor even implied.