I hear a lot about how x engine is wonderful, and z engines are awful, but never have heard what makes them such.
What makes an engine either great, or a frag waiting to happen from a design standpoint? I am not super knowledgeable on every different engine, so I'll just pull up two examples, one of an inline 4, and a V8
>Northstar V8: hear lots of issues about how they are bad and all sorts of things like cracked blocks, coolant problems etc >LS1: one of the most popular V8's to swap, reliable and modular.
Inline 4 >Hyundai Theta: known to grenade prematurely >Toyota 4AGE: reliable workhorse engine for decades in toyota vehicles
Obviously this isn't really fair since different materials and such, but I am just curious what causes a engine to either be a long lasting reliable piece of machinery, or one that frags within a few years of service.
Easton Diaz
if it has pushrods it's shit
Joseph Parker
RnD materials build quality
Ryan Roberts
if it has overhead cams it's shit
Jackson Bennett
Typically, simple designs are better. Long-lived engines are usually the ones people like. GM used the Northstar for ~15 years and there is almost no aftermarket for it, but the LS/Chebby 350 has been around for about 50 and is still being used, and has a limitless aftermarket. Same thing with theta vs 4age. Some exceptions would be the GM Iron Duke and the FoMoCo Vulcan. Both were basically used for 40+ years and are bulletproof reliable, but aren’t really loved because they don’t have any real performance potential.
Justin Nelson
both of these are correct
Ayden White
camless hcci when
Jaxon Clark
# The vulcan is a great example of why you need an engine to be good in multiple aspects. Its reliable, but gutlesss and nobody wants to waste time to R&D perfomance parts for it. # People who champion rotary's have never modified a rotary. >I need x power curve for my application, easy cam swap. >I need x power curve for my application, time to port my case. Shit, I went slightly too big since you can't check the flow rate until you port, and now I have to source a new case...
Mason Russell
>Simple design >Strong materials >Accessible - Can get it everywhere
Adrian Cox
There's 1000s of tiny little viable that separate a good and shit engine in the same class. The only solution is pumping money into design. If I were capable of telling you exactly what separates a good from bad engine design, I'd be rich and not posting on 4chins
Jose Walker
Keep it simple, cheap, and test it to hell and back before you release it in anything. Generally Toyota engines are great because they use the same parts over and over between their cars, so replacement parts are abundant. Pair this with their engine designs being simplistic and you get a "good engine". It also helps when an engine is built in a factory based in a good country as the workers usually have some fucking standards and don't want to do a bad job when building them. Japan or the UK, preferably.
Michael Ortiz
toyota and honda engines in pretty much there entire lineup from 1988-2000 were rock solid for a couple of reasons:
Great engineering and design modularity between engines, and even different families of engines high hp/lt output very high quality steel/aluminum well machined parts ease of repair
the list could go on and on, hondas are notorious for being able to handle 300whp on a stock d-series for years because they used forged rods and crankshaft. In fact very few people have ever broken a d/b series crankshaft and few companies even make aftermarket crankshafts because the stock crank is known to handle 1000hp plus.
Examples like the 2jz, extreme strength even in stock form gives you the basic building blocks for something even greater. the paultry 200ish hp that the 2jz makes isnt what the engine is renound for. its known for being able to dish out 1000whp for half an hour slammed against the rev limiter with just rods/pistons.
Another example is the cummins 12v, another brick shithouse of a motor. stupid simple, extreme reliability and anemic in stock form. However they are the top pulling truck motors because of those basic features.
Josiah Foster
>Generally Toyota engines are great because they use the same parts over and over between their cars It's funny you say that because I can't count how many times I've cursed Toyota for making minor changes to parts within a single engine model to model.
Dominic Johnson
>high hp/l output Lmao
Luke Ramirez
Both of these are correct.
Adam Ross
what does Veeky Forums think of the 7MGTE ?
Luke Baker
complete and utter poo, all of them should be sent to india and littered in the streets
Ayden Russell
main bearing area
t. pushrod cuckold
Carter Butler
But what if it has underhead cams?
James Green
Engine should be economical, should not burn much oil, should be light, should have parts for rebuilding, should last at least 500 000 km
Noah Nguyen
There has to have been someone who has ran CFD for optimum port geometry.
James Thomas
>What makes an engine great Experience. I can think of several successful engines that started with a low displacement, small bores and thick walls - over engineered if you will. Then over the years they gradually increased the bore and the stroke until they found the sweet spot between performance and reliability.
>4AGE Copy of (or "inspired by") the Cosworth BDA - which is the product of one such tried and tested Ford "A" block (started life as
Andrew Williams
Buy better Toyotas. -t. Corolla owner (K engines for 20 years, then the switch to A engines for another 20 years)
Juan Gomez
Cruisers, make of that what you will. Not an owner, just a mechanic.
Jacob White
Here in straya we just kept building the J70 and it'd still probably have an F motor in it, if it weren't for those pesky emissions laws.
Benjamin Johnson
What's Veeky Forums's opinion on the 22R?
Justin Richardson
Yeah, it's the 75/78/79 I'm referring to but with the 1HZ
Adrian Cruz
one of the nice things about modding a rotary tho is that you don't need to buy an expensive set of cams. The whole thing is modular so if you fuck an iron up, it will still cost less to replace than a set of cams for a DOHC 4 cylinder. Yeah it is "irreversible" but don't make poor financial choices like making a ported rotary your DD and you'll be fine.
Ethan Lewis
R motors are sorta turds tbqh..... But if any R motor has earned the reputation of being reliable it's the 22R, and the EFI version has decentish power to boot.
Luis Morgan
Cool, I have a carbed 22R in my $300 shitbox especiale and it seems like such a braindead engine I'm tempted to fuck with it but also to just leave it be, I'm trying to find a set of rocker arms for it rn, it's a 1981, the original engine for the car with an automatic trans, I'd swap it if it wasn't going to be my daily
Carter Flores
then it has pushrods
Blake Hall
if play-skool were to make a 4 cylinder engine, it would be a 22R. especially if you got the pre-85's that had the dual row timing chain. you are going to be hard pressed to wring more than 150 hp out of them, but they are great hobby motors with the cost of parts and aftermarket support.
>I'm trying to find a set of rocker arms for it rn
do a 20R headswap
Levi Phillips
Alot of people shit on Volkswagen, but the VR6 motor can take 1000 hp with stronger rods and pistons. The crank remains stock.
Noah Jones
There was also this gem, a reliable 1000hp on stock block, crank and even headgasket is not just possible, it's common.
Brayden Clark
>Consistent building of power across rev range >Torque peaks in the midrange and doesn't fall off too much >Not too heavy >Revs to the moon >Durable under heavy use >Doesn't have any serious flaws that cause premature failure
Bonus points if: >Strong aftermarket (usually a side effect of being a good engine) >Relatively simple >Sounds good
Benjamin Brooks
>do a 20R headswap That seems like far more money and effort than necessary, one broken rocker arm is literally the only problem with it at the moment and while I've kicked around the idea of doing the frankenswap I'd rather put that money into cleaning up the interior
Noah Rodriguez
is the LC engineering stuff too far out of your price range?
James Green
They only have 1985+ model heads, and only 22R/RE at that
>34 buckaroonies for one rocker arm Kek
Jacob Sanchez
Celica?
Brayden Clark
Its good when you can rev it to redline daily and it still last 20 years
Henry Perry
What does Veeky Forums think about 3S-GE and 3S-GTE?
Lincoln Rodriguez
If its a barra turbo then is good.
Connor Martinez
>Opel did both in one engine
Grayson Edwards
>don't make poor financial choices like making a ported rotary your DD. Ask me how I know you are limpwristed and have a small penis.
Carter King
Fuck I need a turbo 4A-GE, need to squeeze at least 200hp out of it
Jayden Anderson
OP here, lets change it up.
What was the worst engine made in modern times and why was is so bad?
Jeremiah Morris
what motor is that?
Parker Lee
>now I have to source a new case case of what?
Carson Cooper
the old school quattro 5 banger heres an 80's one
David Moore
whatever diesel 2.0 vw made that caused the emissions scandal >cost them billions
Adrian Foster
sick thanks man, I can't believe that handle anywhere near 1k hP, also you must need a clutch that is beyond heavy
Jeremiah Sullivan
81 Corona 22R
John Scott
i dont know, hes probably full of crap and the only stock part is the block at that point.
Eli Phillips
pure sex
Julian Reyes
It needs new internals (rods/pistons) for sure, stock 20V turbo stuff is good for about 600hp. 1000hp builds with stock crank and headgasket aren't uncommon, though most opt for the rarer but stronger diesel crank instead. Heads need to be ported and it needs pretty much new everything beyond that (manifolds, turbo, intercooler, and so on).
Isaac Bailey
Yes
Charles Russell
So, flatheads?
Isaiah Adams
oi i know that engine. that's 100e stuff. i got one of those pic related
Gabriel Gutierrez
Do you daily drive it? I'm daily driving a reliant robin but that has a fancy OHV engine. I'd like an older car at some point
Julian Peterson
going to. still in the restoration process of it
Hudson Evans
got to ask how many times have you tipped it
Blake Rogers
Only half a time. Went round a roundabout too fast while braking with a passenger. Chassis rail at the front nudged the ground. That was before I changed the absolutely knackered rear shocks though. They are actually suprisingly stable and fun in wet weather due to rwd and lightweight. The trick is to always accelerate while steering to shift the weight balance towards the rear. Also I turned mine into a Ute.
Kayden Reed
Helloooo
Aaron Hill
So, since I've never actually seen one of these in person being an americlap and all. do they actually tip over constantly like Top Gear, or were they embellishing a meme?
Ethan Cooper
It was a meme. They're not all that tippy (for a trike disguised as a car at least) The top gear one had the diff welded and anti roll bar removed, as well as a few other modifications. Welded diff + trike = falls over. Just like trying to use an ATV on a road surface. Also very lightweight.
Alexander Martinez
nice, what will you be doing with it?
Angel Sullivan
to my eyes, a good engine is one which has great power, but can sustain it. like a CBR1000RR it can pretty much run 200k miles and not be worn out, while still making nearly 200 hp/liter
this makes a great engine. not a lazy understressed engine doing the same thing. (22r)
Xavier Rogers
I have two in my garage, and I sold one. They're fine if you're willing to spend a lot on them, but if you're willing to spend a lot you might as well buy a 1j/2j
Eli Price
Honda
Michael Moore
they were embellishing a meme that had been around since Mr Bean first aired