Heroes of the Storm General - /hotsg/

giv

i played alot of nova games in my early games and i didnt really understand the game, i didnt bitch though

i just liked the concept of a smug sniper picking on ppl

raynor is so fucking shit he have his own shit tier right?

Nah, that's Gazlowe Samuro Alarak Valeera and Nova.
Raynor has SOME uses with a proper draft. These guys practically guarantee a loss.

gazlowe looked like a good pusher (i didn't learn to play him so not replaying him)
only need to try alarak from those (didn't like any and doubt i will like any shit sc character
kerrigan /abathur are the only one i found somehow fun sometimes

tfw playing since beta stuck in gold. should i just use my alt?

Alarak is pretty good, just exceptionally high skill floor. Gaz/Sam/Valeera/Nova are all bad.

Gaz has *one* exception, and that's on braxis. using heroesfire.com/hots/talent-calculator/gazlowe#gsHC as his build and being in the 4man lane, he can basically insta-clear minion waves and his turrets make it harder to get on the point. His ult can win fights and xplodium is also pretty good versus zerg wave. He's still dead if caught alone though.

That said there's a lot of shit that's wildly better than him so he becomes an ultra-niche character there.

If tychus gets banned, raynor is basically a safer, longer ranged tychus that does more base aa damage and can crit the shit out of things. He's not high tier currently, but he's gone through periods of being very oppressively good. Raynor's strengths are largely in being safe to play and exceptionally consistent. He does decent damage, has crits, has giant killer, has two great ults and has a bunch of utility talents (like a stun or self-armor)

>high tier currently, but he's gone through periods of being very oppressively good

tfw pre seasons raynor's raiders and s1 and 2 jimmy never again.

Kerrigan is a worse Alarak currently. Abathur has always been a strong utility pick. Starcraft universe has a bunch of great characters but none are super high in the meta currently.

>worse Alarak
Id say Kerrigan is more like a mediocre Malthael.
She also needs that 16 talent for double shield...was she ever comp viable anyway?

Earthquake, Apocalypse, Bloodlust + Hyperion with giantkiller (cause bug). That was a shitshow.

>but none are super high in the meta currently
Dehaka is, Stukov probably will be as well.

good times. but i have to say, the most fun was when raiders were op as fuck.

>it's a your team is hell-bent on fighting a talent down over literally nothing episode

loving these reruns

>play QM to level up some shitty heroes
>roam a bit to help out retards with ganks
>as soon as I gank someone they just follow me for the rest of the game
>fall behind in exp or lose teamfights because retard follows me everywhere
>slowly lose any advantage build by ganking
Why do people have such hard time to grasp that someone always should soak a lane unless there is a fight around an objective you could win.

>Id say Kerrigan is more like a mediocre Malthael.
Kerri and alarak both pull things towards them then follow up with a giant burst of damage. Alarak is better at it and has more utility. the silence isn't as strong as the stun but meh.

Malthael and Kerri are very different beasts. Malthael is kind of better compared to a sticky-melee lunara with sort of minor influences from illidan/zera/greymane. He thrives on being in the fight and keeping his dot up.

IIRC Kerrigan was super comp viable in the era of Tyrande/ETC/Muradin stunlock comps where you just kept shit stunned until they died always.

Yeah, obviously saying "none" was incorrect as the SC universe is pretty big. Dehaka is the only really big exception and I think the consensus on Stukov is that he's 'strong' but not wildly overpowering. But after that we've still got what, alarak, artanis, dehaka, hammer, kerri, morales, nova probius raynor, stukov tychus, tass, zagara and zera?

Of those only Artanis, Dehaka, and Zera are "good", and artanis certainly isn't very popular currently. Tychus is only really a niche anti-tank since the range hits and the change to thats the stuff. Morales had a brief showing in competitive but is gone once again because dive is super popular and genji is FAIR and BALANCED (I don't actually think he's OP, but he does make morales' life difficult). Tassadar basically only exists in pro games and if you pick him outside of that you've made everyones life more difficult because they now have to build around a hypercarry comp. Zagara got hit hard with the AA damage nerfs.

Stealth is an unfair and imbalanced game mechanic that's cancerous to the game's health. It attracts the "griefer" types found in games for that reason. I guarantee there's a correlation.

>these kind of blind crybabies kept popping up all over Blizzard games
>me and my friend roll Undead rogues on PvP server
>gank people, cannibalize and dance on the corpses
Good times.

Oh yeah,go eat a bag of dicks Paladin scum.

>Stealth is an unfair and imbalanced game mechanic
I honestly don't even know how you shitters infested every single fucking game and nerf every stealth character into the ground with your whining.

Y'know the one thing that has always really bothered me about kerri's model in HotS is that I have no fucking clue what her "wings" are anchored to. They kind of just "exist" floating there, they don't appear to be attached to her hips and attaching them to her spine would be ubelievably stupid.

I've since gone back and looked at cinematics in other games and stuff and it more clearly appears that her wings are attached to her hips.

But fuck me if it doesn't piss me off with all sorts of fantasy angels / demons / whatevers that their wings just come out of nowhere without any concept of biology being applied to them.

>killing people while they can't see you
>fair
pom pyro at wow was more balanced than that , and i could crit 16k at tbc

>someone always should soak a lane
what does this mean

>>killing people while they can't see you
literally never happened

>this guy comes into arena and siphons your gfs ass,what do you do

>appear behin you
>stuns till you are dead
sure it never happened
, like it would make any different

Kerrigan's "wings" are the dumbest fucking thing. You can tell the hots team tried really hard to make her animations with them make sense, but it just looks retarded.

Show me on the doll where did the rogue sap you sweetie.

happned every time some poor sucker gets sniped by an orbital bfg
im sure there are other scenarios also

>literally gets spooked by the anorexic class
LOL keep
yourself
safe

You bunga staying in unga lane, weakling creature dies, you get exp when near it, exp is good.

>play Age of Conan
>3 rogue classes
>vulnerable during dialogues because cutscenes
>it takes at least 5 seconds to exit one because clunky ui
>hunters can track you by name and class over the whole zone
>no chat limitations, you could freely grief people over zone chat after killing em

Truly the greatest of days

>>hunters can track you by name and class over the whole zone
that sounds fun
>almost winning
>valera with 12k and 15k damage go afk
>malthael same shit
>end losing
fucking 30 minutes matchs

I forgot the best part
If you kill a guy he drops a random item from his inventory to loot
And mind you,AoC hunters had permanent stealth just like rogues. So you team up with a poison Assassin and go ape over everyone.

STOP DISCONNECTING ME REEEEEEEEEEE

>lol you're just bad
is literally the only defense you fucking morons have. Why do you defend outdated, imbalanced game mechanics that talentless designers have allowed to infest a game that could otherwise be good? Why do you not want the best for the game and its players? Why would you want anti-fun, anti-skill mechanics present in a game to turn new players away when they could simply be fixed instead?

Stealth is such objectively awful design. It's a binary mechanic. When 'on' it's insanely imbalanced and allows the user to entirely bypass risk-vs-reward and when it's 'off' it's utterly useless. Apparently, Blizzard is looking into fixing it. Hopefully if they care about the the health of the game they will.

>>lol you're just bad
>is literally the only defense you fucking morons have.
because it's true babe
even if your reaction time was 1/100th faster than it currently is, you'll easily outlive a gank from those wet noodle fuckers

also stop using objectively incorrectly

"Enough of this, Sherrod."

What did the Raven Lord mean by this? Is the Gravekeeper's name Sherrod? Is he actually black? Them being on a first name basis suggests the possibility of collusion in some form as well I think.

You're really not as funny as you think you are.

>it's a /tv/ refugee thinks forced memes are funny episode

who turns off their in game music and plays actual good music instead?

youtube.com/watch?v=SQTcRxPsoMo

Where the FUCK is Hogger???

I've tried but listening to music means I miss out on a lot of in-game sounds and play worse.

it's all about adjusting your volume properly. Obviously you can't turn your out of game music to 11 while your in game announcer is set to 4. If your settings are set properly, out of game music isn't much different than in game music except for being better.

>because it's true
No, the reason why it's the only defense you fucking morons have is because it's the go-to mantra of mindless fanboi drones who defend every shitty game design flaw of their game of the now. That's why. "l2p" is the instant, instinctual reaction from you monkeys.

The word 'objectively' is being properly used, btw, because Stealth is objectively, universally, provably an imbalanced game mechanic. None of what you've said discounts or even addresses the FACT that being able to bypass risk-vs-reward at a button press.

You really have to be flagrantly dishonest or entirely new to MOBAs to not know Stealth is the single most complained about mechanic on every board for every MOBA since the Warcraft III mod all MOBAs are talentlessly copy/pasted from came out. It's an awful fucking mechanic. It's outdated. It's cancerous to the health of any game which uses it in its dota/dota2 form.

Fuck you both, I laughed.

Here, have a (You), friend.

I mean, can you blame them? Valeera is my snarky waifu

Shes still shit though so I nevrr play her unless I'm fucking around in QM, and rarely at that.

i dont play singleplayer games with in-game sounds at all
i just disable everything

The in-game music is pretty good. The spooky scary skeletons song makes me lol every time.

>posts 'actual good music'
>it's wappy jappy awful dogshit, just as I feared it would be before I clicked it
Reminder that anime manchildren should be gassed.

There's something anti-human and robotic about people like this.

>singleplayer

>i'm sure he means singleplayer while being in a hots general and it wasn't a mistake

>ruining the atmosphere of your single player experience

I don't play videogames

>literally a subhuman on the autism spectrum

I don't, nothing get's me as pumped in ranked play as hearing the kick ass Terran theme from Starcraft and then your team picks their heroes who all gives their line to show that they are ready to fuck some shit up.

do you even know what kind of board you linked you inbred

>No
Denying the truth is never cute.

>The word 'objectively' is being properly used, btw
Doubling down on incorrect usage instead of adjusting also isn't cute.

>Denying the truth is never cute.
Neat platitude Blizz-drone lemming. The irony of it is rather crushing, though.

Again, moron, the word was properly used, because Stealth is provably an imbalanced game mechanic. Basic game theory supports everything I've said while you have literally ZERO (0) arguments. You've lost. Sorry.

>actual good music
sure thing weeb

A board for failed human autists, which is what the kind of person who plays without sound and arbitrarily diminishes the quality of their experience and immersion is.

define imbalanced game mechanic

The game took 18 min and we had 0 turn ins because the azmodan was just afk pushing on top lane.

This has been defined in this, and the last few threads.

An imbalanced game mechanic is (obviously) a game mechanic which does not produce a congruous reward relative to the risk and skill required to gain that reward. Risk-vs-reward is the basis for all game design theory for the last thousand+ years of human game development.

>Get nova/KT on team
>Tell them its probably not a good idea to use your channel ults
>They say its OP
>Every time they use ult it gets blocked stasised or just interrupted from stuns
>They act shocked when it doesn't work

Medivh alone makes them worthless.

if the risk-vs-reward of stealth is so imbalanced, why isn't the win rate of stealthies in the high 60? why are heroes like nova, samuro and valeera considered niche picks that are otherwise weak?

>retard spend the whole day in stealth waiting for team to almost wins 4vs5 matches so they can steal kills
i assume thats why
how do you level cho'gall if you are an autistic fuck who doesn't want social interaction?

tbbt skin for Zul'Jin when?
BAAAAAZINGO :DDDDDD

>if the stealth hero doesn't have a high winrate it means stealth isn't OP as a mechanic
This logical fallacy (non sequitur) has been addressed before as well. It's practically possible to tweak any hero enough to give them a ~50% win rate, regardless of how imbalanced any one of their mechanics are. If a hero had a an ability on a 5 second cooldown which simply said "Kill target hero." it is STILL POSSIBLE to tweak that hero in such a way to give it a 50% win rate (through giving him drastically small hitpoints, low vision radius, etc.). This does not in any way detract from the fact that a literal death-touch on a 5 second cooldown is an insanely broken game mechanic. Same with Stealth. Stealth, as well as the hypthetical Death-touch ability, produce what is called 'binary' gameplay, which is bad game design.
>binary game mechanics
These are mechanics which produce situations whereby they are either 'on' and grossly OP, giving an immense unfair advantage, or 'off' and completely worthless. Abilities which reveal Stealth are a perfect example of this. Stealth wouldn't need any type of counter like this at all if it were balanced to begin with. It's literally bad for the game. I have no idea why anyone would defend it.

>spend the whole day in stealth waiting for team to almost wins 4vs5 matches so they can steal kills
This is another behavior which Stealth incentivizes which is bad for the health of the game as well.

>Neat platitude Blizz-drone lemming. The irony of it is rather crushing, though
>Again, moron
>Basic game theory supports everything I've said
Mirror mirror on the wall, show me who's the most ignorant of us all~
Crack open a book babe, it'll do you some good. Might want to read up on objectivity and 'basic game theory' since it's v clear you have absolutely no idea what you're spewing.

every game mechanic is imbalanced in that regard
murky's reduced death timer is imbalanced
abathur's global presence is imbalanced
sylvanas' trait is imbalanced

the only objective take on balance is the win rate of a hero, if your example instakill on touch hero was somehow designed to be at 50% win rate, then any mechanic he used would be considered balanced

>it's a binary mechanic so it's bad
how so?

>still no argument to be found
>literally zero (0) arguments
see , stupid.

>every game mechanic is imbalanced in that regard
Not at all, you're showing an elementary understanding of all of the variables involved when you say things like
>murky's reduced death timer is imbalanced

>if your example instakill on touch hero was somehow designed to be at 50% win rate, then any mechanic he used would be considered balanced
And this is why you're a fucking moron. Being able to kill someone with impunity with ZERO counterplay is objectively awful game design. If all of the reasons for that need to be explained to you, you don't belong in this discussion.

Two facts remain:
Stealth is an anti-skill, anti-fun game mechanic that hurts the health of games that use it.
Blizzard has recognized this and is reworking it. Yay.

I like to play Illidan while listening to Russian hard bass. Fits him very well tbqhwyf

>Being able to kill someone with impunity with ZERO counterplay is objectively awful game design
how about moving away?

>Stealth is an anti-skill, anti-fun game mechanic that hurts the health of games that use it.
subjective, and the fact that some people enjoy playing stealthies is healthy for the game

>Blizzard has recognized this and is reworking it. Yay.
blizzard reworks many things, and breaks many things in the process, don't see how this is a compelling argument at all

>solo merc camps effortlessly
>utterly smash forts
>instantly delete certain heroes from fights

is there anything the based voodooman of ooga booga can't do

I just came up with a perfectly balanced hero that Blizzard should implement right away.

He has one skill and when he uses it the game ends and with a 50% chance you win. Perfectly balanced

stealth is a shit gameplay mechanic because it's only good for stomping new people and shitty players. if you know how to counter it then it's nothing more than free kills for you because you can delete most stealth heroes the moment you see them past early game via cc or sheer damage

you mean like forced win rated?

This, I love her personality, and would practically "main" her if I could, but she's just shit right now.

Sucks desu.

youtube.com/watch?v=BCDEDi5gDPo

I wish Greymane played more like the hunter

It's not forced since he could decide not to use the skill

>mewn butthurt again

wew

>watching amateur eggman impersonator
What is he salty about this time?

youtube.com/watch?v=sTiY9QyGQso

oh man, this song. especially the part that starts around 2:20. the piano is just so good

Why people even watch this guy? He is so bad.

Malthael is probably the most boring hero I have ever played in a moba.

try Lucio

that would be probius

>the only objective take on balance is the win rate of a hero
Not him but you're a dumbass m8

youtube.com/watch?v=p6_SdAp1zOI

>not an Overwatch character
>not a female dranei

Pretty gay, desu.

>Garrosh
>Not Kel'thuzad
Why Blizz, WHY?