(fun)box overhaul

>9k rpm
>210 HP
>FWD hatch
Congratulations, a glorified Honda!

>swap in a new small block LT5 with a manual
>reinforce the frame
>brake system from a new Z06
>complete suspension overhaul
>18" Rotiform CCV directional wheels
>super sticky rubber
>painted in C6 Z06 LeMans blue
>tan leather interior
>good sound system
>wooden wheel and shifter

call me a tasteless pikey but this is peak 80's-90's kino

Something like this.

>glorified
I think you mean literally a honda

>stroke longer than bore
>9000rpm

Ya played yourself

>inb4 b18cr

>go into automation game
>cant make car with 100 bore 1 stroke 111000RPM
rrrreeeeee

Why not a ground up, longthrow suspension prerunner trophy truck thing?

youtube.com/watch?v=TFtUAYXyau4

my dick can only get so hard, user

>uuhhh
youtube.com/watch?v=0TnFx4rSGHU

Because that would be illegal in such a way that I'd never be able to get the plates back due to the massive rebuild, and it would make it a horrible daily driver

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>Graziano 7 speed dogleg straight from the V12 Vantage
>Custom suspension, brakes, chassis bracing, etc.

Just can't decide on what engine would be ideal:
>600hp M178 straight from the new E63
>Ilmor-Mercedes 500i detuned for street use
>DaimlerChrysler 426ci all-aluminium Hemi (TM) with stack injection and obscene CR
>Same as above, but with a 3.125'' stroke crank and mild overbore for 9000RPM 340ci screamer
>Same as above, but with a centrifugal supercharger for maximum redline chasing

you're just like me. If I were rich I'd just dump 6 figures into shitboxes instead of driving meme ferraris

DTM spec widebody
Intraxx custom suspension
AMG Aero II's
Judd Racing V8
Getrag sequential gearbox
Full cage, harness, Recaro bucket seats

>tfw Hemis are lore friendly in Mercs

>Not the 2.0L 20v I5 Turbo from the Coupé

Honda's are reliable though.

Bore:stroke ratio isn't what determines redline, it's either valvetrain, or stroke itself. Bore doesn't change redline. Stroke isn't obscenely high in this example, 82.5mm is fine on a racecar since it's under 25m/s @9000RPM. There are worse options in terms of piston speed out there.

>completely stock s13 fastback on the outside, except maybe some tasteful aftermarket wheels with sport tires
>twin-turbo LS1 on the inside, with a proper 6 speed, reinforced chassis, suspension replaced with those magnetic things so I can switch between trackmonster and comfy cruiser with the press of a button and some nifty electronic stuff like a flip-up navigation display that's normally hidden behind the radio and hill start assist because otherwise I'd probably end up burning off the rear tires with all the power I'd have

>twin turbo ls1
at least make it a vk jesus christ

>TT LS1

Okay so, alright. Okay.

Keep it on the track.

>Evo 2
>Shitbox
They're six figure cars without spending a dime on mods.
autoscout24.nl/aanbod/mercedes-benz-190-e-2-5-16v-evo-2-benzine-zwart-da041eb6-a093-45a9-a9ad-7240bc682793?cldtidx=7

Sounds like a very shitty street car to me. Why put a Judd in there, when mercedes has plenty of factory screamer V8 options available?

My face exactly.

yeah I know what an Evo 2 is, but it would be a crying shame to disfigure a legend. Just get a base model or a 16v and go nuts

>Why put a Judd in there
Money is no object so I'm gonna get weird with it. And literally every car in here would make a terrible street car so I don't see the need to single me out lol.

also show me a factory Merc V8 that sounds like this and would fit in a W201 please

youtube.com/watch?v=vSOmHc8Dd7k

not MB but still porn
youtube.com/watch?v=FJLy1wutqp0

>these were also on W163 M Class

None of these:
Would be terrible street cars. Maybe sub-optimal, but not terrible.

>also show me a factory Merc V8 that sounds like this and would fit in a W201 please
youtube.com/watch?v=EFmpLAliiuA
youtube.com/watch?v=RX_de9cn8NI
youtube.com/watch?v=_opxbdsADqg
youtube.com/watch?v=iqS8Av5dQTY

Not 100% factory, but neither is a Judd. Racecar engines are best car engines.
Question though: would you swap a PU106C into an Evo2 replica?

>rx8
>13brew swap
>renesis rotors, lightest of all rotors, highest compression
>stock ports just cleaned up
>hybrid s4 13b-t single turbo with twin internal gates for zero boost lag
>350 - 400whp
>os giken super lock lsd
>auto exe suspension
> 17' Enkei RS evolution wheels
>lowered about 1 inch to retain suspension geometry while slightly decreasing stroke
>abs delete with electronic brake bias control
>swap electronic steering rack for FD rack
>auto exe sport brake kit
>auto exe front rear sways/tie bars
>banzai diff brace
>4 point cage

forgot random rew swap pic

Do this but with an L series. Change nothing cosmetic. Ultimate granny mobile sleeper.

youtube.com/watch?v=XqYEegKYfZE

>would fit in a W201 please

They sound nice but no way they are fitting in a 190E without pushing the firewall back and extensive work to the front subframe.

>sub-optimal, but not terrible.

Splitting hairs, just because I want a V8 with ITB's doesn't mean it's terrible, just """"""sub optimal""""" lol. A stiff & low suspension ruins the streetability of a car just as much as an engine that's gutless to 3500 rpm.

>would you swap a PU106C into an Evo2 replica

Nigger you're trying to convince me a Judd would ruin a build and then you turn around and say this lmao.

Turbo kit, worked suspension and brakes, etc etc.

I like the sedan body but Ferd won't offer a sedan Focus St.

ask subaru to redesign either the LHD BE sedan or the EJ208 Rev. D so that they work with each other.

then suspension, brakes, etc.

A Judd probably won't fit either, considering it's a relatively big, DOHC V8. Pic related might.

I'm not hating on you for the Judd, I'm just saying I'd personally try and keep it in the family. High revving, small displacement V8's are my fetish anyways, from the S65 to the DZ302 and everything in between (and above in terms of RPM). I'm not saying a Judd would ruin a W201 - that would be almost every hillclimber's fetish, screaming that thing through a good alpine pass.
I'm just wondering if a relatively lightweight, 1.5L, twinturbo >V6 would tickle your pickle. It's certainyl fit into a W201 without issues, it'd be plenty power, but I'm 100% convinced that a powerful Mercedes streetcar should have a V with at least 8 cylinders, if not 12.

On that note: why hasn't Mercedes ever made a V10 for a streetcar?

Nissan 200SX Turbo 16v
-SR20DE swap
-SR20VE Headswap (variable valve timing)
-ITBs, Weber double carbs
-agressive cams, planned and improved cylinder head
-high compression internals
-dry sump oil system
-good coilovers
-vented brakes
-buddy club p1 racing wheels (cheaper counterpart: kosei k1)
-preface front lip (pictured)
-oem chuki sideskirts
-rear lip (haven't found a decent one yet)
-rust delet (not possible lul)
-nardi deepcorn wheel
-vent cup holders
-window rain guards
-oem digital dash swap (digital speedo)
-oem hud swap/retrofit
-front badge delete

>current year
>carb turbo

Just use injected itbs and an ems you lazy shit.

no turbo, DE swap, not DET
the car model is name 'turbo', since only one engine choice was available in europe

>ITB's + Carbs
Why

>ITB's on a turbo
Why

>Carbs on a turbo
WHY

I'd also much rather have an S12 with an ITB's VQ37.

minus the ott bodykit, and i definitely wouldn't take it to a garage or dyno that's apparently run by children who write all over the walls

why wouldn't itb+turbo work?

Plus an OS giken limited slip, and a getrag manual gearbox

>ITB's + Carbs
cool factor, they sound cool. I'm not trying to go fast, I want something fresh that no one has done before. Forged CA18DET would be cool too, though I like the sounds of itbs and carbs
>ITB's on a turbo
no turbo
>Carbs on a turbo
no turbo, the model is called turbo, since they only came with the CA18DET in Europe

youtube.com/watch?v=Y2vixADAQR8
youtube.com/watch?v=GQNlZKSSJbA

Reworked engine with low compression pistons and stroked to 3l.
Variable twin scroll turbo for even torque curve and wide power band.
Cuck that Koenigseggnogg into giving me some of that freevalve stuff.
Limited slip diff.
Traction control.
E46 heated powered seats.
2din radio.
In vent digital boost gauge and controller.

Basically deck it out completely.

ayyy
do a facelift to the 08 and throw this bumper on it while you're at it

The purpose of ITB's is to shorten the intake path, and to lower the throttled volume. This should increase throttle response, after all. In a n/a engine, ITB's put the throttles closer to the engine, thus creating lower throttled volume. ITB's also mean that you've usually got a cone filter per runner, or maybe even a velocity stack. This also reduces the intake length: it's a lot shorter than a throttle body, plenum, and runners.

Now, if you have a regular turbo setup with a single throttle body, that is the shortest possible setup, plain and easy. Multiple throttle bodies would extend the runner length from the plenum. In the picture you posted, you could shave about 2-3 cm (about an inch) from the runners if it didn't have ITB's. Also, in turbo engines, the turbo is effectively the chokepoint. It doesn't take a lot of mental gymnastics to consider all of the volume behind the compressor as ''throttled volume''. The compressor is what dictates throttle response, after all. Now, the throttles position in this airstream is largely irrelevant. You could even theoretically put it between the intercooler and compressor. Hell,some oldschool setups put the throttle BEFORE the compressor (although that's a shitshow). ITB's won't change anything in throttled volume, ITB's don't make the air path shorter, therefore, ITB's don't add throttle response on turbo engines.

By the way, that plenum on your picture isn't there to hook up to a compressor (per se). It's probably engineered to reflect waves coming from the runner. When the intake valve closes, a wave of air bounces back up. It then reflects on the edge of the velocity stack (Helmholtz resonance, look it up) or reflects on the plenum wall, straight back into the runner if the system is properly designed. This makes sure that, at certain RPM, you can get more than atmospheric pressure in your intake charge. Call it resonance supercharging, if you will.

>200SX
>No Turbo
Faggit.

Anyways, you can't exactly combine carbs and EFI. They'll both be throwing fuel at it, confusing both systems. Not to mention the idiotic installation it would take: low and high rpessure fuel systems, and I can't even imagine the carb tuning on that motherfucker.

Stick with either two two-barrel carbs (total of 4 barrels, one per cylinder), or EFI ITB's. Both is practically impossible and utterly redundant.

aren't carbs itbs by default?

fucking god damnit

It'd still look like a fiesta.

You know what a fiesta looks like.

>yank out the 7A-FE and C52
>get a ST205 wrecker
>swap 3S-GTE, AWD trans, Center diff, rear subframe, rear diff and drive axles and hubs
>replace stock 3S-GTE head with Redtop BEAMS head that has been PnP'd, 5 angle valve job, oversized valves and Kelford cams, double racing springs and titanium retainers
>replace stock turbo with Borg Warner EFR series turbo
>Upgrade fuel system and connect it all to an AEM Infinity standalone
>upgraded clutch/flywheel
>BC Coilovers with progressive spring swap
>thicker rear sway bars
>front STB
>15x8 Enkei 92s
>simple stealth audio install
>sound dampen the entire floor, doors, wheel wells, and lower hatch

t-thanks user

ITB's is used to define a single throttle body in fuel injected cars, both mechanical and EFI.

Technically speaking, a Ferrari V12 with six double barrel Weber's (or four triple barrels) has a throttle per cylinder. However, it does not have a single throttle BODY, since a single carburetor body has two barrels and services two cylinders. A carburetor also performs an additional function: it adds fuel and throttles, where a throttle body only, well, throttles. It might do some airflow metering, but it does not add fuel.

Now, sure, practically speaking ITB's and a carburetor barrel per cylinder have about he same effect: good throttle response, short runner length, low throttled volume, amazing sound. But, not only is there a technical difference (fueling and throttle Vs. Just throttle), most carbureted vehicles don't have a barrel per cylinder. Motorcycles and high end Italians sportscars are the exception to the rule here. For example, most American economy cars had to do with a single two-barrel for four or six cylinders. V8's commonly packed a single four barrel. If you had three double barrels (e.g. Six Pack), you were the man. Now, the exception to this is the double four barrel on a V8, but even that does not replicate that single runner, single throttle idea that is so fundamental to the function of ITB's.

Thank you James May!

90's suburban with a 2jz on 100psi.

Finally put in a 4.1 stroker + supporting mods

>2001 EM2
>stiffen chassis, add front, rear and bottom strut bars
>wider tires, Michelin Pilots
>RSX rear sway bar, Koni Yellows and Tien springs
>N/A Spoon B16 w/ GSR LSD Transmission
>Bride seats w/ Nardi wheel, extend shifter up 3 inches
>Milano red paint
>keep steelies because I have no idea what would look good on this thing.

Nice, hopefully a willy stroker for those lonely evenings

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

you got him

> 2 Liter turbo
turbo is lame
muh red line
> not rev to 11k
also a two lifer turbo would weight a ton in this thing unlike an enlarged 1.4l

Merc evos cost a fucking kidney tho

>swap in v10 tdi from the touareg after enlarging engine bay
>modify drive train appropriately and swap in haldex awd
>koni coilovers
>chip tune
>full straight pipe
>stage 3 clutch/flywheel from kermatdi
No visual modifications to keep it sleepy.

>unlimited funds
Then I will turn my car into this godmachine

You won't be making anywhere over 9000RPM with an 82.5mm stroke. Piston speed quickly exceeds 25m/s at that point, 11K is practically impossible unless you like pistons exiting through your block or oilpan.

i would turn my e46 325i into an m3

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Old 99 ap1.
Throw 101k under the hood so that fag Jesse doesn't get any weird ideas...

i dream

>350Z
>no flattering tuned Z33 pictures to be found
suppose I would ship it to concept Z and buyout the performance catalog

also pay someone to get the interior to stop eternally rattling

>also pay someone to get the interior to stop eternally rattling

you ask WAY too much

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94 black n tan miata 1.8 bored over to 2.0 with 00 headers clean as fuck swap the stock seats with porsche 914 seats tan woodgrain 320mm wheel and shifter put it on 15s for better tire selection
Fm turbo and their fox suspension set up. More agressive brake set up. Aaand a chrome exhaust.

So basically a porsche but cheaper upkeep and jap realiability.

Seriously, infinite funds can only do so much.

the xbox huge side skirts make it look shitty

Wish I had a porch I could give to singer.

I'd do gold foil heat shielding. :3

maybe if I remove the cats and mufflers the rattles will be drowned out

lol fuck yes. freevalve is coming boiz

is there an address you can receive my shipment of 6 tons of love user? if so, please post it here i will send it to you posthaste

SOON

Don’t forget about DirectDrive, my hydraulic coupling system that renders gearboxes obsolete.

It would be 100% stock with the most expensive paint job and detail I could get.

You guys are aiming way too low.

Camero with a 90s V12 F1 engine.

20,000 RPM.

UNLIMITED FUNDS

>Bore doesn't change redline

Bore can indirectly change red line as you fit larger valves to the larger bore. Bigger valves are heavier, causing them to float more quickly. You can of course use higher pressure springs, but then you run run the risk of valve bounce and excessive valve train wear.
Bore has a much smaller effect on maximum engine speed than stroke and is fixed much easier (cheaper) but is a consideration

I already mentioned valvetrain though, and you can solve big valves' inertia with stuff like desmodromic valvetrains or pneumatic valvesprings. If we're going that far down the rabbit hole, it's much more important to consider the fact that a bigger piston with an identical load on it will be heavier, and thus have more reciprocating inertia. Given the extreme load that's going to put on the connecting rod, it's much more important than just the valvetrain.

Everything determines redline, but stroke is easily the single most important thing. By comparison, very little else matters, especially bore:stroke ratio.

what else is there to do?

Im glad that there's still other Probe fans still out there. I've got two 94 Wild Orchid Probe GT's. I swapped a ZE into one of them years ago. Recently picked up the other one, originally for parts. But the latest one is in better shape than my original one, so I can't bring myself to pull parts off it. Heh.

In any case... Good luck with your project. Hope someday you can have 700 HP. ;)

that's literally the S1600 race engine specs tho, I didn't know Fiat engines were stronger than physics.
Impressive!

All the specs I can find claim 215hp at either 8250 or 9000RPM. I suspect its 215hp @ 8250, with redline at 9000RPM. 11K RPM seems foolish and I can't find any source that claims such a high RPM.

At 9000RPM, 82.5mm stroke means it's doing 24.75m/s. Practical limits for road cars is about 22-23m/s, with well-engineering exceptions going up to 25m/s, so 24.75 for a rally car isn't beyond reasonable doubt.

For reference's sake, 82.5mm @ 11K RPM means a piston speed of around 30m/s. The only thing in that realm is Top Fuel: 4.250'' (107mm iirc) going 8250RPM at redline. That high is completely impractical for a car that needs to go further than a single mile.

Hayabusa flat plane V8 with like 400hp.

They sound ridiculous.

youtube.com/watch?v=fC0oJLZq1TU

700 is way overkill for this, I would be perfectly happy with 300 reliable bulletproof whp in a car that aerodynamic that I could punt around the track all day. That one is 2850lb with me sitting in it

K20 turbo swap (its a 318is so already has a shit 4 banger) new suspension to handle the Power and upgraded brakes

I'd have my Camry turbo'd so that it can make 400+ Hektiks to the FRONT WHEELS. I've seen videos where they send 700+ to 900+, though I have a feeling neither the 3VZFE nor 1MZFE could produce that much power, no matter how heavily built it is. I just want a fast wheel drive GODMACHINE that can also haul people while not hauling any attention.