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>Garrosh, Son of Hellscream announced >Garrosh will be playable on the show floor at ChinaJoy July 27th >Currently targeting the week of July 31 for PTR twitter.com/BlizzHeroes/status/888051090494595072
>nerfed arm >nerfed quest >ruined Pox Populi So i guess i got for either the stun heal or the blind?
Luke Gonzalez
pox populi is still good superstrain is also good depending on the matchup universal carrier CAN work if you go for Excision and Reuptake but i think it might be better to take Excision + One Good Spread now
Carson Hill
no fool. build for trait, vigorous reuptake is still the best 4 in most situations
Asher Jenkins
Basically what I've found with Stukov is if the enemy is largely burst go reuptake/universal carrier, if they're mostly sustain go one good spread+pox populi
I think that's where his real strength lies is he's able to adapt his healing as the draft sees fit
Aiden Powell
Honestly im just happy they didnt overnerf him. He still does his stuff just fine.
Dominic Taylor
One good spread gives him massive sustain power early. Vigorous Reuptake is still a late game talent and Fetid Touch and trait CDR talent synergize were always the optimal output talents.
Kayden Nguyen
You guys think Stukov will see esports play? Isnt he too immobile+prone to getting bursted?
Charles Hernandez
There, are you people going to stop crying about Genji being broken and horrible unbalanced now?
Matthew Ramirez
Reminder that this thing can save you from that "needing heal" ninja guy and towers
Gabriel Young
They barely did anything to him.
Dylan Rodriguez
>his winrate at shitter mmrs drops even lower >annnnd nothing else changes well designed hero desu
Jace Thompson
He will end up being the Medivh of assassins which is totally okay.
Oliver Smith
the only significant change in that entire list is the dodge charges.
he's still broken. infinite mobility AND protection is just dumb as shit.
also, what is this fucking creature on my launcher. is blizzard on the gdq trannypanel now?
Jordan Morgan
Why am I not surprised
John Scott
Whats blizzard obsession with trannies?
Jaxson Clark
>not realizing what makes Genji problematic Nice, dude.
Ye, with the popularity/success of low MMR Mings.
Dylan Morgan
Its trendy. Farting is so 19th century stale.
Blake Rivera
>tfw in an alternate universe I'm sucking valeera's perfect toes instead of shitposting on an anime discussion board.
Owen Davis
>In an alternative universe user is still a degenerate Some things never change
Tyler Wilson
>too immobile only if you play like a dumbass and sit still for 5 years channeling arm yeah he has no mobility skills but neither does Uther (although uther is a lot tankier too)
Jordan Sanchez
in an alternate universe she immediately eviscerates you for trying to touch her
Christopher Butler
>nothing else changes the nerf to dodge is a pretty big deal, you can actually kill him with AA assassins now if he gets disabled out of position
Daniel Moore
>giving a shit about people doing things that don't affect you at all
Jackson Allen
you trannies out yourselves so hard on every single board
isnt there a containment board you belong to? like /lgbt/ or /mlp?
William Nguyen
at least glorious trump btfo those retarded faggots by kicking them out of the military today. no more free mental retardation surgeries for them. maybe we can get trump to drone strike blizz hq
Evan Ortiz
>being this obsessed over transsexuals Why do you even care?
Daniel Lee
be like me i am very cool i care about nothing
nothing matters ever and nothing affects you
Colton Ortiz
>don't nerf the main reason Genji is cancer >Continue to allow him to be Mobility Creep: The Character
Nothing changed, senpai. He's going to continue to be cancer and continue to be the #1 or #2 most frequent ban in HL across all leagues.
Andrew Perry
How does being upset about trannies make your life any better?
Brody Phillips
I sure as fuck do not care about it in the heroes of the storm thread
Jaxon Gomez
Why do tranny haters always feel the need to bring up the fact they hate trannies? Literally no one gives a shit, fuck off, keep that shit to /pol/ if you want to cirklejerk
Justin Lopez
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Joshua Fisher
>be passive >bureaucracy fucks you so hard in the ass you become a tranny
Austin Lee
I remember when I was 15 and thought hating everything with a passion made me appear more of a grown up
Joshua Howard
neck yourself tranny
Nathaniel Mitchell
Why do gays have to have parades. What the fuck is black history month circlejerk. I remember when i was 15 and they cancelled Megas XLR because Coop was fat and lazy.
David Robinson
>Introduce a genuinely cool orc for once. >Doesn't matter, because Heroes of the Overwatch will still have nothing but two bikini lesbians every quickplay.
Michael Baker
Good get
Nicholas Harris
I would say go back to your circlejerk board, but you need a dick for that.
Elijah Peterson
if you think the mentally ill trannies in this thread are mad just go on twitter and check them chimping out over trump right now.
it is entirely relevant to hots because one of the abominations is on the launcher for hots every other day
Austin Davis
Just fucking report these retards so we can go back to discussing best waifu
it's tyrande
Tyler Hall
You glorious bastards. If we did this on /gsg/ janny would immediately scrub the tread. >not Garrosh
John Wright
the dodge nerf is an indirect nerf to his mobility. Used to be he could mount up mid combat and get pretty far with agile dismount because of all the stored dodge charges because attempts to dismount would miss but he only stores one instead of three now which makes it far less likely for him to get away with mounting before disengaging.
ofc I think swift as wind is the the popular level 1 talent now and previous nerfs to dodge had made it about on par with the deflect talent last patch iirc, so this latest change doesn't do anything beyond making perfect defense the goto level 7 talent now
tl;dr they just piled on more nerfs to a build that was already losing popularity and solidified the status of his newer build. The fact that he has deflect (and they've made his deflect build better by making dodge shitty) really doesn't detract from the aspects of his kit that make him problematic
Jace Jackson
I only started playing during that 2nd Anniversary Promotion and mainly stick to vs. AI modes since I don't want to shit up ranked/draft, so I'm talking out of my ass, but are newer characters just straight up better than older ones?
I picked the Support Set when I first started playing and Stukov feels better to play and more efficient than any other support hero I've played, with the exception of Morales.
Jace Wright
>best waifu >already in a committed relationship for 10,000 years
tyrandefags are cucks
Parker Myers
I am conflicted about what did this patch did to Chen, but more health for Muradin is always nice.
Easton Miller
>Morales You wot mate? Aurel
Easton Green
Yes and no, the original characters kinda defined the game, new heroes expand on it with new mechanics, but sometimes blizz fucks up and release a completely bullshit character genji
malthael
valeera
Charles Long
lol no
also get into ranked or at least unranked draft asap, don't worry about shitting anything up, just don't play qm
Colton Allen
Well she is a good wife if she wasn't loyal. I can appreciate her character without wanting to be with her. Too bad her daughter won't make it in the game since she is up for grabs.
Jace Garcia
>is on my launcher >doestn affect me
fuck off. i have to look at that shit.
Kayden Rogers
>you will never live on Teldrassil
Jackson Jenkins
why isn't nazeebo an assassin
Brandon Bell
>having to look at people affects you wooow Do you complain as much about the other streamers? Cause I haven't seen any complaints about them so far today
Jaxon Lewis
yes/no there have been some ludicrously good heroes released recently but many of them have been heavily nerfed after the initial rush, many older heroes have remained competitive, and the constant changes/reworks as well as constantly shifting meta mean that what is considered exceptionally good is changing every few months
see heroesofthestorm.gamepedia.com/List_of_heroes_by_release_date Stukov is good, but doesn't blow all the other supports out of the water, many of them are reasonably competitive Malthael was broken on release but subsequent nerfs have brought him to reasonable levels Dva was reasonably good but not the best bruiser by any means but has been nerfed into meh status Genji is very good and bliz is obv still struggling balance him (difficult considering he's hypothetically very good at high level play, but also very difficult to play, which means constant bans by high level players, but shitters bring down his winrate significantly because they can't play him which mucks up blizzard's data) Cassia's bounced around the meta from top tier to good; Probius went from v good to eh, Lucio went from most dominant to basically useless
conversely heroes like malf, uther, arthas, stitches etc are constantly moving around but are currently considered to be strong
Gabriel Peterson
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Josiah Hill
>5 people attacking our fort >Dva charges into them with a full energy bar >Mech dies without her using self-destruct
Caleb Walker
as hammer in ranked, is it ever worth taking the life leech talent on 4 rather than focused attack? on one hand the leech is redundant if my support is on point and I do lose some damage, but the leech allows me better early laning and trading and feels really comfortable having (splash) self sustain so is it a noob trap or not?
Josiah Sullivan
>as hammer in ranked Stopped reading right there
Jace Wood
>bliz is obv still struggling balance him I disagree, because Genji is a character that has no real strength and no real weakness
Aiden Thomas
>Do you complain as much about the other streamers?
Because the other ones don't look disgusting, captain sweden.
Jace Brown
>having (splash) self sustain pretty sure it doesn't work like that
aside from that, what do you take at 7 then?
Adam Nelson
So you're transphobic, shocker
Gabriel Lewis
How could Malthael be broken when he was countered by fucking Murky of all characters?
Thomas Ortiz
He burns about 30% more mana and dodge is much weaker. Those are significant, but he's still extremely mobile, has a PROTECTED button, and too much health for how mobile. And don't pull the winrate card on me because you KNOW there are a ton of retarded Genji pickers out there. Not as bad as Stukov in that regard but still.
Eli Richardson
Malthael is not countered by Murky. He does %-based damage, but when your HP bar is as small as Murky's his Q actually fucking hurts. Also the bigger deal is that he could literally rape your whole fucking team and heal through it by hitting R, holding down Q with his nose, and licking W and E while slamming the mouse on the table.
Jackson Davis
stop memeing, hammer may not be top tier, and probably shouldn't ever be picked before fifth pick, but she's a solid specialist who enables objective pushes on siege maps.
you should not be solo split pushing with Hammer, sustain is less important on her than you think unless you're playing QM. Generally speaking, you should be playing her as a better Raynor, constantly stutterstepping from backline behind your tanks, you've got a knockback to disengage divers, and the only time you should be sieging up is when you're absolutely 100% positive you won't get ganked/you're safe/you're surrounded by your team. I like taking First Aid at 7 just for those absolute oh shit moments, but the Z talent at 7 is a good alternative.
Brandon Diaz
>Malthael is not countered by Murky That's not what the community tells me
Wyatt Wilson
>shocker
You got that right.
Kevin Thompson
So now that we know that you have no other reason to hate trannies other than "eeww gross" can you just fuck off and leave your triggered little heart out of /hotsg/?
Lincoln Allen
Sgt Hammer is bootleg less good Sylvannas/Raynor.
Liam Foster
>transphobic >implying it's bad Nothing wrong with hating these freaks I wonder if you're from Canada
Ayden Rivera
>Dva wastes a talent for clearing/pushing >Just knock it right back into her gook face
Too bad her ult doesn't kill her like it used to do in OW.
Adam Howard
>being triggered over someone's existence Kek
Jeremiah Young
the meta then heavily favored double (sometimes triple) tank/bruiser comps, with teamfights being dragged out slugfests, and his % based damage, self sustain and armor meant under the right circumstances he could engage and win/survive 1v3. He's never been a fantastic 1v1 duelist but he was head and shoulders above all the other bruiser/durable melee characters because he could drag out fights with them despite being outnumbered.
Jacob Reyes
That's because they assume that since Malth is all %-based damage a hero with a tiny health pool would fuck him. Admittedly both of Murky's ults are really good against him but outside of that Murky can't really fight him.
Luke Ortiz
But countered by Murky
Murky
Thomas Long
Its a proper reaction to a mental disease. Whats next, pedophobic?
Tyler Butler
Tentophammer and carbot both says Murky is a serious threat to Malth, would they lie to me?
Daniel Cruz
>Tentophammer >carbot
hahahahahha wow
Benjamin Lee
>you have no other reason to hate trannies other than "eeww gross"
I mean, I have more but most aren't related to hots. Beyond that though I just find it funny how hard Blizzard tries to prop these things up on twitch despite how quickly they end up getting kicked from whatever teams they join.
Jonathan Lee
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David Gutierrez
>itt >/pol/ thinks they have an enclave
Jonathan Sullivan
Malth was ridiculous on release because he was designed to be anti-tank, in the same way you might draft Tychus as anti-tank, but Malth ended up being ludicrously good because of his above average durability with armor and sustain, in addition to also being good at waveclear, having no real mana issues (thus no need to back) and the fact remains that % based damage is still good even against squishier heroes
Murky isn't really a threat, he's just a waste of resources. Nobody is really 'good' against Murky in that his entire purpose is to be a drain on enemy resources/attention. It's not that Murky is 'good' vs other heroes, it's more that he's not worth fighting. You might as well say LiLi is a threat to Malthael because she can blind, does decent dmg and doesn't give enough health back on Q and can probably outtrade him 1v1.
Asher Lee
Have you often seen Murky in ranked? Unlike Malthael he is rarely picked
>Not countered by Murky
My, oh my, you have no idea what the point of that "counter" is. He may do more damage with his Q to Murky but he has already trouble to kill that pufferfish alone, also his Q heals him by % hp of the enemy, which will give him vs Murky almost none of the HP back. Murky can just afk push the lane and Malthael won't be able to do shit about it, even if he kills Murky he will be almost dead and Murky will be back in 5 seconds. You all are forgetting that Murky respawn timer, you know.
Ethan Barnes
>this is one of those people i have to share /hots/ general with
William Edwards
>this is one of those people i have to share /hots/ general with
Aiden Robinson
better him than that 'high IQ six figure salary' autist from last thread
Michael Brooks
>Have you often seen Murky in ranked? Unlike Malthael he is rarely picked If only they diden't nerf him to the ground after his reworks, makes you wonder what the point of a rework is in the first place.
Owen Long
I'd rather have a guy tell /pol/ to fuck off than another /pol/yp shitting up our thread
Xavier Nelson
okay but how do you guys feel about draft mode stealth and stuns though
Chase Wood
Sure you don't want to swap HotS™-related tranny stories?
Among my favorites will always be how one of Blizzard's first hots esports events included a team of Idra, a tranny, and the other biggest starcraft rejects they could find. It was like they gathered a bunch of zoo animals to play their new game.
Kevin Reed
oh was that an actual person here skipped over reading the novels that were being typed