Ford to move Fusion production to China, export to the United States and Europe

>China, export to the United States and Europe
You saw what happened to Sumitomo Steel earlier this 2017 when it processed Chinese raw steel into Japanese steel parts for automobiles. Bait and switch suppliers in china are protected by chinese courts and its government.

>I wonder what Clarkson will say about the next-gen Ford GT made in China....

If Clarkson makes disparaging comments about China, the Chinese internet water army will start posting negative reviews and misc comments about his show to crush it in various forums. Because the show's publishers know that, they'll edit out his negative comments so that they'll never be publicly published.

China's Officially Hired Forum Commentators (tens of thousands of them).
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party

To be a 50center, the Ministry of Culture of the People's Republic of China now holds regular training sessions, where participants are required to pass an exam after which they are issued a job certification.

Water Army: Besides the 50cent Army, there are professional writers also recruited and they are paid more by the Chinese Government as the Internet Water Army. Certainly, professional sockpuppets are a problem on wikipedia.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Water_Army

the chinese are disgusting insect people

Literally fake news.

autoevolution.com/news/new-ford-fusion-and-mondeo-production-wont-move-to-china-in-2020-122276.html

Ford is simply going to discontinue the Fusion in the North American market. A mid/large size sedan under a different nameplate built in Hermosillo will take it's place. Likely under the Falcon, Taurus, or Victoria nameplate.

It will share the highly modifiable common platform with next generation Explorer, Model E and Lincoln vehicles.

Ford will not manufacture the Fusion/Mondeo in China for export to Europe or North America because Fords Chinese facility is a 50/50 joint venture facility shared with the Chinese Changan Automotive Corporation as required by Chinese law. This means that Ford only receives 50% of the profit for vehicles manufactured at this point and Changan receives the other 50%. Ford would barely make profit on these vehicles after tariffs and shipping costs, negating what profits would be gained by cheaper Chinese labor.

How is it physically possible that they'll find a way to make Teslas even more flimsy and improperly assembled?

Those big ass crossovers get better mpg's than a crown vic.

The future will be "American assembled" Chinese vaporware firehazards with snapping brake pedals versus "German engineered" 1.5t Mexican "luxury" cars that come from the factory with drugs in the door panels and turbos that grenade every 5,000 miles.

Every American made car will either be a flimsy discount Korean econobox or a 5,000 pound front wheel drive crossover with 3 inch tall windows.

What a time to be alive.

Mazda will save us all though right guys?

>sedan under a different nameplate built in Hermosillo will take it's place.
To get around any taxation tariff laws, car makers will just discontinue a badge name and then make the replacement have a new badge. So if GM moved all Malibu production to Mexico, it would discontinue the "Malibu" nameplate and replace the line with the new "MalibuX" or whatever nameplate made in Mootxico. It would look the same, but since its name is now MalibuX instead of Malibu, it cynically gets around tariff laws because it is a different car.

That's not how tariffs work you absolute fucking moron.

the US is producing its own fuel at the cost of a couple of nature reserves, but hey who gives a fuck about nature

why don't we just completely cut China out of the internet? universally ban Chinese ips and any ips with traffic coming from or through China to deal with vpns

Mazda makes most 3s in Mexico and is going to build the refreshed 6 there as well. If Trumps tariff shit goes through expect them to no longer be in the cheap car category. It's probably why Mazda has been trying really hard to jump them to the near luxury category so rapidly with facelifts.

>How is it physically possible that they'll find a way to make Teslas even more flimsy and improperly assembled?

QC checked in China first.
Then QC checked after arrival in the USA.
The rest is the car owner's responsibility per the signed purchase contract.
It should be easy to disqualify some problems as owner negligence, owner lack of maintenance, maintenance in an unapproved facility, etc.

>Every American made car will either be a flimsy discount
>What a time to be alive.

The bad times are yet to arrive once China builds up its military might. Its forces are more nimble and quick to change due to low costs and large manufacturing capability. It should be pointed out that a lot of USA military manufacturing capability is reliant on obtaining raw materials and electronic and mechanical parts made in China. So a sustained battle would exhaust the USA which runs out of parts. The USA navy would have to run away scared their ships don't carry enough missile throw quantity to compete against chinese ships and chinese islands with more capacity.

Ford went global early in the last century. It has a duty to win business and make money for stock holders. You know those. The people who fucking own the company.

Burgers think everything should be made here and it would be competitive everywhere, especially the white trash retard variety of Burger.

Germany invests billions in US manufacturing (BMW, Continental Tire, ZF and more) because building globally goes with selling globally. If you don't understand how business works you should be beaten into a weeping pulp for your stupidity.

Business is not about handing out easy jobs to unskilled high school graduates. We don't need monkeys doing what automation does far better. If you don't have a job, stop sucking.

>That's not how tariffs work
That's correct. Tariff laws don't work when corporations circumvent them with tactics. That is what Ford is doing. The Malibu and MalibuX example was poorly worded and doesn't work as written, but when lawyers and the company polishes it up, it would then circumvent made in america tariff laws.

The pursuit of profit is ongoing. And it will occur as long as american workers are paid and have hugely better benefits and pensions than those in China. You want to compete? Lower american wages, cut pension plans, cut medical benefit plans down to medicare level, and be satisfied with 4 stars instead of overbuilding quality to get 5 stars on reviews.

Or you'll never compete against China which will eventually have USA-based dealerships for Chinese cars once the chinese companies have learned enough from their factory partnerships with european and american car companies to go it alone.

>yfw china is intentionally keeping cost of manufacturing low so they can steal every bit of technology and make copies of the same thing and sell it for much less

literally the worst sort of "people"

>Lower american wages, cut pension plans, cut medical benefit plans down to medicare level
it's amusing me to no end that the people suffering from this strategy the most are the ones voting the politicians responsible for it into office. you people get the government you deserve.

Not true really. China builds things to break down so they need to be rebuilt which keeps the economy running along. Though they want to phase this out.

The USA doesn't have much manufacturing because companies don't want to follow our labor laws. Which is fine. But the US could easily convert to a war economy. Besides the US naval power would contain such a war to the China sea and Chinas power projection would disappear in a matter of months leading to heavy bombardment of industry.

The real problem is China's over populated and a military conflict would be a good way to reduce the population, make jobs, and expand territorily.

If such a war were to come China would want a mainland invasion which would probably never come and thus they would probably attack neighbors to try to lure the US into a ground war and then hope the liberals undermine the war effort like they love to do

who should they vote for then, bernie?

the answer is that capitalistic business is a parasitic force upon nation states, moving from host to host and leaving when it is no longer viable. globalisation just means streamlining this process, plus allowing for a non-political way to dilute workers' rights whilst increasing profits. it's a carrot and stick idea that i honestly believe will end in the killing of a serving ceo in a first world country in the next 30 years

tl;dr - america first, (((business))) second

Clinton signed that treaty with China to give it the Most Favored Nation trading status. That opened the door to China's economic miracle not that they give Clinton much credit for that. Wonder how many donations the Clintons received for that treaty signature?

Car manufacturing and car parts sourcing manufacturing will go to where it is cheapest. It's ironic that Chinese companies own or have shares in many mexican car parts factories. China also supplies the robots for them.

>Ford went global early in the last century. It has a duty to win business and make money for stock holders.
Looks like corporations have the amoral whip hand. They lobby and push money into politicians for laws to support their interests. Individual citizens don't do that and are only grudgingly acknowledged by some politicians as a necessary evil in the november elections.

Someone in a forum complaint said that Discount Tire mentioned to them when selling the special order part that it was made in China. But it was merely shipped from Japan. the part was actually made in China.

>Besides the US naval power would contain such a war to the China sea

USA ships would be swamped by chinese attacks and their ships would sink from the drone torpedos. Oracle is the Aegis killer. China also has a huge cost advantage in their ships which were made to take on USA ships.

>Besides the US naval power would contain such a war to the China sea and Chinas power projection would disappear in a matter of months leading to heavy bombardment of industry.
>The real problem is China's over populated and a military conflict would be a good way to reduce the population, make jobs, and expand territorily.
>If such a war were to come China would want a mainland invasion which would probably never come and thus they would probably attack neighbors to try to lure the US into a ground war and then hope the liberals undermine the war effort like they love to do
delusional merimutt
China has your techs, thanks to (((our greatest ally))), who stole and sold your tech to chinks.

>US naval power
Not enough and too scaredy cat after a few carrier and capital ship sinkings.

ITT: retarded europoors actually think ching chongs stand a chance against the US military

>sustained battle would exhaust the USA
>meanwhile the tiny country of Germany which is smaller than most US states almost takes over the entire planet in the 40s
I don't think so, Tim

The only weapon that can sink US carriers is the DF-26, effectively an ICBM without a nuclear warhead. The downside to is that it can’t be distinguished from a nuclear warhead equipped ICBM.....which means they can’t use it without starting a nuclear war with the USA as our ships will see it as a nuclear threat.

Additionally, China’s airforce is significantly smaller than the US airforce while being made up of older 3rd gen fighters like the J-10 or older licensed copies of MiGs.

>what is Chengdu J-20
>It incorporates stealth technology stolen from the US into a design built to destroy weak links in the US Air Force.
>Thanks to (((our greatest ally)))

What anime are these pictures from?

>what is Iraq War
>what is Vietnam war
>etc...
US Military is a joke after all.

time for a tariff

>make Ford bankrupt
I am fine with it.

China has also practiced damaging satellites with lasers and other weapons to create a debris cloud in the path of those military GPS satellites. It is not necessary to shoot them down. A much easier task is to simply disable them.

Shoulder mounted RPG's launched from speed boats have shown to be capable of sinking US carriers in Naval swam simulations. The ability of the USA military is vastly over stated by it's people. Ironic considering how poorly it's preformed through history

>ITT: retarded amerimutts actually think they stand a chance against the Chinese military with Russian military as a backup.
fix'd

>US military is a joke
Honestly this. We've put all the eggs into hardware, didn't help the Saudis much. Meanwhile the quality of the individual soldier has drastically gone down.

>Europoors think Russia will actually back up China

>amerimutts think Russia will be with them landing on Asia Continent.
Russia and China are more than just diplomatic friends with military benefits right now.
cnn.com/2017/08/01/opinions/china-and-russia-are-teaming-up-andelman-opinion/index.html
Suck it up, DRUMPFKINS

>insinuating the Russsian or Chinese military have anything in their arsenal that could touch our fighting vehicles, transport, cyber, armor, or training from even a decade ago.

>The US has also been fighting a non-stop war for over a decade, and have all the experience and lessons learned from them. Whereas both China and Russia have been playing catch up to out battle doctrine for since the cold war.

Please, dude. Stfu. You know nothing of our military.

Yes, I wonder why they would think that?
>The treaty outlines the broad strokes which are to serve as a basis for peaceful relations, economic cooperation, as well as diplomatic and geopolitical reliance. Controversially, Article 9 of the treaty can be seen as an implicit defense pact, and other articles (A7 and A16) point at increasing military cooperation, including the sharing of "military know-how" (A16), namely, Chinese access to Russian military technology.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_Sino-Russian_Treaty_of_Friendship

>Russia will be fine with them landing on Asia Continent.
fuck my phone

>Implying all USA tech hasn't been stolen and isn't stolen each year
>Implying USA was preformed well during it's time in combat
>Losing to rice farmers
>Losing to dessert goat herders

The average soldier in the US army is better equipped, educated, trained, and supported than any other military on earth. The cost of equipping just one American soldier with standard gear would male Russia and China choke. We have better gear, more of it, and have a ridoculously strong logistical support system that allows for easy deliver of man, weapons, vehicles, and gear anywhere in the world.

Don't fuck with us. You can laugh at us for a lot of things, but we are able to train, ship, and deploy better than anyone else on the planet.

You know what wins wars in our era? Logistics. We are by far the best at it.

France and China couldn't beat those rice farmers either. Hell, China tried to after Vietnam got thrashed by the US and still failed. Russia couldn't beat goat herders even with trying to genocide the entire region

>We spend more so we're better!
t. Lost to ill equipped rice farmers, still losing to goat herders
If you've spent any time around the military you should be well aware of how the quality of the people serving has drastically gone down over the past few decades. Racially integrated units proved deadly for Vietnam and Korean warfare. Now with Gays, Trannies, and women serving, with even less capable brass in charge the quality has plummeted. A lot of the more capable men got out a few years ago when woman integration was really getting a lot of attention.
>We have better gear, more of it, strong logistical support system
user, a lot of this
>America, fuck yeah!
Attitude comes solely from people who know absolutely nothing about our military

Do they get $1.00 per day instead of a quarter?

I wouldn't bother. Euros can't even deploy into Iraq or Afghanistan without bribing the Taliban or US logistics backing them up

the chinese people only know how to copy and emulate the west, they cannot create anything original

for this reason they are human trash

>Do they get $1.00 per day instead of a quarter?
The chinese government has phased out most external water army operations and brought them in-house to be performed by proper employees. One tactic is to file discrimination charges against key individuals that are particularly good at speaking out. The chilling effect of the accusation as well as the fear of losing a job or being attacked by a powerful liberal community usually makes them stop being outspoken. That tactic worked against an engineer that spoke out against chinese metal purity problems in a professional engineering magazine. I was a subscriber at that time and saw part of the effects.

>France couldn't
To be fair France was still struggling with the aftermath of WW2, and they where quite effective during the first Indochina war.
>China couldn't
China and Russia was backing the Viet Minh. China has historically controlled Vietnam for over a thousand years prior to the modern Vietnam wars.
>China tried to after Vietnam got thrashed
>Killing women and children to rack up the numbers while losing to the actual insurgents is getting thrashed
>China tried
Only following the invasion of Cambodia, the end result was returning to pre-war borders and both sides claiming victory.
>Russia couldn't beat the goat herders
Are you talking about the ones armed and backed by the USA?

>He doesn't know the USA is apart of a coalition with other nations whose forces are also deployed to the middle east and sometimes have their own bases
The abilities of the American military is vastly over stated.

>Asians only cop and emulate
Could be said that the USA did the same from European nations. But look at it this way - if the USA does something well at one point in time. Then the Asians copy and do it better then that one time, while meanwhile the USA has degraded in quality/ability from that one point. You're still talking about an Asian advantage in war.
>They cannot create anything original
Gunpowder comes to mind

they don't make it better

name one chink copycat product that is better or even equal to the original

>implying anyone on Veeky Forums should care about the current state of the auto industry

Face it, there aren't going to be any more great cars, and very few good cars. Those that are worth buying, most of us here can't even afford.

Ford, GM, Toyota, Nissan, they could all go bankrupt right now and I wouldn't give a flying fuck.

holy shit you guys are total retards and know nothing about world history

>What is usually neglected in these comparisons is the underlying context in China that gave birth to these companies and how they have evolved. For example, though Alibaba adopted an eBay-like model in its early years, it has gone through so many changes that, today, its business model can best be described as a combination of the models of at least three internet titans – Google, eBay and Amazon. In fact, the success of many Chinese companies, across sectors, has depended on their ability to evolve and adapt foreign ideas for the mass market. This form of evolution, with continuous micro-innovations, is touching the lives of hundreds of millions.
scmp.com/comment/insight-opinion/article/2083377/how-chinas-copycat-tech-companies-are-now-ones-beat

>Most modern cars are shit, and expected to continue to be shit
Thankfully there are massive amount of older cars still available. With huge 'car graveyards' to pick from

>Russia and China supplying arms and equipment to Vietnam
>Hurr they wuz ill equipped rice farmers

You got me there, fair point user

>US got thrashed by insurgents in Vietnam
US losses were 60k troops to 3 million North Vietnamese over the course of 10 years.

Last time I checked, China lost 420 tanks/APCs and 62,000 troops IN 3 WEEKS when they attacked Vietnam in 1979.

Get fucked chicom shill

>Nigger knows world history
Enlighten us, monkeyfag

>Could be said that the USA did the same from European nations
USA is basically a country of European nations migrated to a different continent. What kind of theft you're talking about?

Unless they use proper steel and welding technology I do not give a fuck about this.

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>this is all because the tax plan actively incentivized corps to produce overseas
at least we're saying Merry Christmas again right drumpfkins?

I see you enjoying your Christmas by responding to your own posts in the place you hate among the people you can't stand.

Anime is Japanese animation. You should instead watch the Chinese animations if you want to see some real anti-USA videos.

Chinks are cheaper than Spics, dumbass goyim. Jesus christ, do you know how math works?

kek

>USA is a European colony so it's not theft
Would you be willing to incorporate all of Japanese and Korean inventions into China with the same reasoning?

>what is pride
kys kike

How one is even remotely related to another?

>Chinese anime
Recommendations?

It's not only about pride, it's economics as well. Keeping all the money in your country is much better than giving half of them to your rival and potential enemy.

I like how Ford is only starting to be recognized as reliable only to fuck it up again.

>How are nations founded by the same people related to other nations founded by the same people?
>The Gija Joseon was purportedly founded in 12th century BC, and its existence and role have been controversial in the modern era.[10] The written historical record on Gojoseon can be found from early 7th century BC.[11][12] The Jin state was formed in southern Korea by the 3rd century BC. In the 2nd century BC, Gija Joseon was replaced by Wiman Joseon, which fell to the Han China near the end of the century. This resulted in the fall of Gojoseon and led to succeeding warring states, the Proto–Three Kingdoms period that spanned the later Iron Age.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Korea
>Xu Fu was born in 255 BC in Qi, an ancient Chinese state, and served as a court sorcerer in Qin Dynasty China.
>Later historical texts were also unclear on the location of Xu's final destination. Sanguo Zhi, Book of Later Han, and Guadi Zhi all state that he landed in "Danzhou" (亶州), but the whereabouts of Danzhou are unknown. Finally, more than 1,100 years after Xu Fu's final voyage, monk Yichu wrote during the Later Zhou (AD 951-960) of the Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms period that Xu Fu landed in Japan, and also said Xu Fu named Mount Fuji as Penglai. This is the "Legend of Xu Fu" in Japan as evidenced by the many memorials to him there.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xu_Fu
Both Japan and Korea where essentially founded by Chinese.

You just gave me two wikipedia articles probably written by chinks, about possible theories of something that could happened a millennia ago. Are you really trying to compare it to factual history of European immigration into America that continues to this very day?

>It's not true because I say so and it was older!
Even if you ignore documented history, Korea was a vassal of China up until recently. Japan is a break away nation to China the same way Canada or Australia are to Britain. Kana even heavily relies on Kanji to make sense of it's own language.
>European immigration which continues to this day
Unlike Asian nations and peoples, European nations and peoples differ in terms of their relation to each other. There are at least two primary factions of European power, Mediterraneans and Germanics. Making it more difficult to argue in favor of European unification then an Asian one.

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>argue in favor of European unification then an Asian one
Good luck trying to unite chinks, gooks and japs together. They all hate each other

They hate each other for the same reason Americans may hate the British; or British the French. They are different nations but the same people. It is tribalism, the very concept of a nation relies on the idea of different tribes uniting to form larger tribes. There is no reason to think Asian peoples with identical ancestry and near identical languages would not unite for common interest - especially when they've done so in the past.

Doesn't GM already make all their Buicks in South Korea and China and then import them to the US? Our middle class is being gutted.

Ford CEO Hacket's last job was in the furniture industry. What was he famous for? Slashing costs by outsourcing a shit ton of jobs overseas. It's his forte; it's the reason he was brought on to Ford. Wall Street kikes have ruined all out great American companies

>stock holders. You know those. The people who fucking own the company
It should be noted that the only Ford stock that counts is Class B and most of that is owned by Ford family members. Class A Ford stock is a joke designed to separate fools from their money in that it confers no controlling interest in the company no matter how much you own.

>Have ruined our great American companies
Not that I disagree. But why not start a competitor which only hires and manufacturers within the nation? With a big component of your marketing angle being pointing out your competitors are outsourcing and don't care about the nation. There seems to be a lot of demand for that kind of stuff, but it makes me wonder why no one's taken up the mantle to meet it.

>DRUMPFKINS
>DRUMPF
I've seen this from a lot of anti-trumpistas and am completely baffled by it. I mean how's it supposed to be an insult instead of just a nonsense word? What do they think they're saying?

>but it makes me wonder why no one's taken up the mantle to meet it.
You can't produce stuff on hopes and dreams. You need investments from businessmen who hold significant wealth. Most of them are about personal profits and don't care about general wealth of nation. Introduce government regulations and they just bail to another country. They are basically leeches. Look at jewish nation who successfully survive with this strategy for thousands of years.

>It's just a nonsense word
It comes from Colbert who found out Trump's family's surname used to be Drumpf. Basically they're mocking his name.
>Why do you think they're doing it
Because their mentally children, their entire world view is based upon rebelling against a strong absent father (right wing ideology)

They use drumpf because it triggers republitards.

see the moron above my post. case and point. He's another easily triggered braindead trump supporter.

>because it triggers republitards
Wew, would never think some people actually believe that. You need psychological help if you get "triggered" by kids who scream nonsense. They're just kids, and it's just infantile nonsense, relax.