Calm yet firm reminder that cars stop being fun past 500hp

Have fun driving this on any road that isn't straight

S1 rx8s only weigh 3,053 at max. And that's with auto trans,the heavier leather seats and sun roof.

A base sport with manual trans, cloth seats, and slick top is around 2900lbs

It's easy to do when you know how to drive. Guess people that have to rely on light weight just to go around a bend will never know that feeling.

where did this "american cars can't corner" meme come from? are eurotrash such shitty drivers that if their car isn't built to be at WOT around a corner they'll die?

Why do you think this would corner bad? In paper more weight equals to more normal force, more friction within the car and the road, and that makes you able to corner at a faster speed without losing traction.

driving slow cars fast > driving fast cars in any fashion

Because more weight also equals more centripetal force.

It's a meme, it's a stereotype based of reputation.

American cars aren't designed for Euro back roads. In the 80's and 90's, the few yank tanks that made it this side of the water was nowhere near the handling capability of a Euro wagon. Nowadays the American cars are so much better, but the reputation still stands sadly.

t. I import US used cars into the UK for a dealer

Happy 2018!

Absolute autism. Learn about what you're talking about before making a damn fool of yourself.

>American cars aren't designed for Euro back roads.
what does this even mean

Euro roads are narrow in comparison.

They're too big, they're too heavy, the suspension sways too much, the seats don't have enough side support, the steering doesn't give enough feedback.

Or at least it was this way until American car makers started imitating European cars a decade ago. Now American cars are like European cars, only cheaper and slightly crappier in every way.

how does a narrow road change anything? I've never driven a euro car through the twisties, but I'd imagine you aren't supposed to just pin it the entire time through a corner all the same as in a 500hp+ rwd pushrod car

It’s pretty obvious to anyone who understands how to read

Lol no theyre utter trash

>weighs 3100 lbs

Wiki says it starts 2880lb with the manual.

If they're cheap the engine is just about to shit the bed. The Renesis is a pile of garbage. Shame because I would like them otherwise. Love the half door bodystyle.

yes

>tfw no happy RX-8 bf to give me smiles per gallon

Is it cheap because the engine hasn't been maintained? If so, unless you've been itching to do an engine swap fuck no. Otherwise, and as long as you can keep the maitenance up and redline it frequently, it's a great li'l machine.
[spoiler]or so i've heard[/spoiler]

>being this buttblasted by your own ignorance

This is boomer autism

If you have to ask it's not the right car for you.

How would you even know?
I certainly don't.....

I have both. One is 3100 lbs with 390whp. The other is 2500lbs and maybe 90whp. Coming from dailying the fast car, the slow car is frustrating, power delivery is terrible, and am scared of trying to togue it due to constantly needing to be in upper rpms to even seem fun. Not including suspension differences, this while slow car fast is perpetuated by poor people with slow cars. Give me a fast car I’ll drive it fast and slow. Give me a slow car I’ll drive it slow and yell as I can’t muster up speed to pass someone.

I've weighed mine when adjusting suspension settings. Mostly stock with a lightened aluminum radiator and track suspension as my only mods weighs 3,098. I rounded up. And I have a manual.

Wiki doesn't own one and measure it personally while adjusting suspension settings, clearly.

Why do idiots on Veeky Forums always argue with vehicle owners because "that one unreliable link told me otherwise?"

>I own one
>therefore I own them all

You realize the people adding those weights to the wiki are either owners themselves or reading off official weights, right? The range is there for a reason too. Weight changes by trim and by year on virtually every car.

Not sure if you are agreeing with me or if your greentext is making assumptions, and then you go on to support my statement, thus contradicting the greentext.

My car is 3,100 lbs. It is >3000 lbs. My car is the funnest I've ever driven. My car proves OP wrong.

What exactly is your argument? That I'm wrong because of trims? I'm not going off of trims. I'm going off of my car's numbers. And wiki doesn't weigh car to car. They fact check manufacturer specs, which are often exaggerated to benefit them. *cough* Volkswagen

Cool you like your car user, just saying some are much lighter than yours.

>And wiki doesn't weigh car to car.

The contributors that own the cars themselves do.

In my experience Wiki, if it lists kerb weight at all, throws up a generic number which is close enough for one of the trims.
Looking at manufacturer specs you get an idea just how much weight variance there is between the different trims - most cars vary 200kg+

No, they really aren't.
>The contributors that own the cars themselves do.
What? No, the manufacturers provide the specs. Dude, it is in the source links.

>>Curb weight Manual: 1,309–1,373 kg (2,886–3,027 lb)
Auto: 1,384 kg (3,051 lb)

This info comes directly from Mazda. And again, those numbers are exaggerated low in order to appeal to people. The actual weight of each trim is higher.

Check References. I was going to link the specific ones, but there are many. None are from private owners or "contributors." They are all manufacturer links or car review companies that literally spout off the manufacturer specs.

Here is some more proof proving you need to stop arguing whatever it is you are trying to argue. These people ACTUALLY OWN AND RACE THEIR OWN CARS.

rx8club.com/rx-8-discussion-3/how-much-does-rx-8-weigh-145573/

Lots of posts that are >3,000.

/yournonesense

>And again, those numbers are exaggerated low in order to appeal to people. The actual weight of each trim is higher.

All that means is your own weigh is irrelevent since we don't have actual weigh ins of everthing else to compare it to.

No, that's not what it means at all. Get of Veeky Forums and go outside. FFS.
>mfw evidence was already posted to prove point

That's EXACTLY what it means. When making comparisons, relativity is what matters. Comparing your real world weight to fluffed weight is worthless, you're much better off comparing fluff to fluff since that's actually readily available.

I always figured anything with short gearing and low weight can be damn fun given the right road, even if it's got no grunt. Grunt can be pretty fucking fun too in it's own element.

Dude, no. I don't even know what you are arguing at this point. My original statement proved there are cars >3,000 lbs that exist and are a blast to drive. And you are sitting here claiming one car doesn't mean we can base anything off of that, but then you get proof that there is a lot of cars and you are just ignoring it to keep claiming nonsense. "Fluff to fluff." What are we fucking discussing now? I reduced the weight of my car and it is over 3,000 lbs. Lots of rx8 owners report in >3,000 lb weight numbers with stock trims, modified trims, and unknown trims.

Seriously, what exactly is your point since you keep claiming against what has already been proven?

I really don't give a single fuck about your feud with OP dude, how hard is this to understand? I'm just saying your weigh in is worthless when we don't have accurate weighs readily available for everything else. Jesus fucking christ your retardation is driving me nuts.

>relativity matters
>links provided to prove relative and exact numbers greater than 3,000 lbs with MULTIPLE vehicles and trims compared
>arguing fluff to fluff
>claiming a feud with OP when points were made and OP isn't talking (assuming you are not OP and pretending not to be)

OH, so you are simply ignoring facts, making up a new argument based on contradictions, and all the numbers proving your statement incorrect.

Who is the retard, again? Oh right, still you. Good luck with that social life, bud. How's that bus pass?

I think I'm seriously going to stroke the fuck out if I have to read another one of your dumbass posts. You're obviously too fucking stupid to understand that you aren't even discussing the same thing as me.

I miss my KP61 so fucking bad. Couldn't afford to buy parts back then and had to sell it senior year to pay bills. Old bunta looking guy bought it the same day I posted it.

Yeah if you track your car it's usually easy to weight, there's generally a weighbridge near a track for class limitation checks etc.

After owning a 450hp FD, driving my ex girlfriends 130hp shitbox was fun because I could mash the throttle. Same thing with her 250 ninja after riding my CBR1000RR, I could yank that throttle and rip without being triple the speed limit

No, you have made no point other than that one car doesn't mean "all cars." Even though "all cars" were also posted. You haven't actually made a point passed that and were proven incorrect. I have no idea why you are even responding because you haven't actually said anything that made sense. Proof has been posted you are wrong, and then you just keep spouting stupidity.

But I'll do you one solid. You've been proven incorrect, you have all the source content you need to realize this, and your contradictions are starting to make me think you are just trying to get the last word in because you lost the argument you started (or jumped into?).

I suggest you start doing your research properly and stop being naive about the way the manufacturing world works, especially when you are spouting nonsense to actual vehicle owners.

This is my last response to you. You can respond and feel like a big man by getting the last word in. Enjoy your (you).

Good luck man. Go have your stroke. You've earned it. Happy New Year!

*weigh

I got my weight when corner balancing my suspension upgrade.

I was actually surprised when I weight my car and it ended up 50kg lighter than the generally quoted figured with a cage, having said that it's a 72 model and the weight figures were probably all over the place then.

*weighed, fucking autocorrect

Nice. Lower weight that what's expected is always a plus.

Manufacturer Kerb weight =/= what you weigh your car on a weighbridge or corner scales

I know most people would agree with you, just hard for me to see it that way. I’d rather feather the throttle until it hooks vs just sitting on the gas for 10 seconds till it barely gets up to speed. You can have fun with a high horse car (I have a v8 for reference) at any rpm instead of having to wait until the upper echelon of the shitbox. Plus once it leaves that happy zone it’s frustrating trying to get it back.
My opinion, of course.

Ok... And?

Agreed and that was kinda other anons point.

fpbp

Ever drive anything that can stand on it's rear wheels and needs a parachute to help it stop?

It's certainly not boring.

It means that if you weigh your car and find it's lighter than the Kerb weight that doesn't actually mean anything - you can't compare it to other cars Kerb weights or power-weight ratios.

Only if you're motor racing and have strict guidelines on how your car is equipped and fuel capacity etc does weighing your car have a use or a comparative value.

*wp

I need a starlet in my life :,(

We love those over here.

Obligatory Cibies and Superlites for that IDM look

My bus only has 380hp but it has 1250ft lbs all on natural gas.

*df

I don't think you are talking about the same thing as the other two you responded to. They were talking about their car's actual weight. Not manufacturer weight. Your comment made no sense. Like walking into a conversation with two people talking about exercise swimming, and you just shout OLYMPICS CAN SWIM!

>Only if you're motor racing and have strict guidelines on how your car is equipped and fuel capacity etc does weighing your car have a use or a comparative value.

Your oversimplification and blatant disregard for reality is honestly quite impressive. Weight plays a major roll in so much, in many different situations. I can't even begin to really respond to you because I'm wondering if you are trying to b8.

DAE pick and choose when and where physics apply to fit my argument?

Maximizing buzzword to totally not make yourself look like a drooling retard.

I've driven an E60 M5 and while 500hp is certainly plenty, there was still room for more power in that specific car. I floored it on a few occasions (up to like 7k RPM) and it wasn't like it caused me to instantly lose control.

As an RX-8 owner, yes, but only if you like to give your car lots of attention. If you buy a cheap one, order an engine on the same day you sign the title over, because it's gonna need it. People have no clue how to maintain rotaries and so they kill them in less than 100k miles all the time, but if you get a low milage JDM engine you can easily get 150k+ on that engine.

Apex seal meme aside, it's still a sports car. It's going to need more maintenance than your average econobox because of this, and you've got to be financially ready for that. I probably spend about 100-200 a month on average doing basic repairs and maintenance on mine, but admittedly I did buy a totally trashed one because of how cheap it was.

Some specific problems that I've run into were low compression on the old engine, but I knew that when I bought it with full intent to replace it. IMO that's the best way to get one of these, I think it's the cheapest way to get a "low milage" RX-8. I've also fought various shenanigans from the power steering, it's always just a stupid connector that needs the pins bent back where they belong. I had a water pump go bad on the JDM engine, and the throw out bearing makes a bit of noise. I replaced coils, plugs, and wires just as a given, and you should too if you get one. It's only 300-400 dollars and can save you from an engine destroying misfire.

The interior has some issues, the driver's side sun visor fell off and the sunglasses holder wouldn't stay closed. I just removed both of them. The center console storage thing also won't really lock shut from sliding backwards, at some point an angry gorilla must have opened it without pushing the button and broke something. Some of the center console dash lights will intermittently turn on and off, but I'm pretty sure that's a result of having messed with that area so much trying to fix the center speaker.

It does have problems, but as a whole it's totally worth it!

friction and traction aren't the same thing brainlet

The throw out bearing is normal. Ignore it.

I have 56k on my engine. Here's what I need to do and have done.

I had to replace the radiator. The plastic was eaten through pretty badly and soft. And when I was working on the area, I accidentally bumped it and it broke. Replaced with an all aluminum and the engine runs cooler and so much better. No regrets.

Ignition coils. These are cheap shit from Mazda for some reason. Went with Black Halo Racing, increased economy, power, and acceleration. Good buy.

Bought a Racing Beat Intake and air channeler. Lost power, but was told I need to retune the engine. Haven't done that yet, however, I've noticed with the channeler at high speeds, the engine is much snappier and faster. If I can fix the power loss issue, than this will be a great buy.

Spark plugs. These are a bitch. I feel like I have to replace these every 12k miles.

You have to drive it at least once a week. Otherwise it will feel rusty until you shake it down. It also will eat your batteries like candy if you don't use a trickle charger or drive it every few days.

Hates winter, loves snow.

Had to replace my front and rear brake rotors after a shop burned them during a resurfacing. While taking them off, I somehow broke either the outer tie rods, end links, or wheel hubs, or all three or combination off. Huge pain in the ass but this was the brake shop's fault, not the car's.

Had to clean out the SSV because I think previous owner didn't take care of engine and had tons of carbon build up.

Going to have to replace my water pump soon, and when I do, I'm going to upgrade the pulleys, too. I will NOT be going with under driven because I've heard too many mixed stories about it being bad on the RX8.

My cat is rattling. Not a huge problem, but annoying as fuck. And it would be an issue if my rx8 wasn't a dedicated track car.

I have the "luxury" model, which I'm kind of iffy about. 6-CD changer always skips and I want to replace it with a SSD. Seat warmers are very slow to warm. Interior rattles like crazy and has several cracks.

I have gone through one clutch already in 17k raced/dd miles. Turns out, that clutch was the 2nd clutch in there, so at 56k, the car has its third clutch. I think the first owner didn't know how to drive it, or at least tried dragging it. Evidence shows they tracked it at the very least. I will say this, I was talked into buying an ACT clutch. Don't do it. Fucking thing robs me of power and momentum. I have been burning through this clutch on purpose because the prick at the shop wouldn't take responsibility in recommending me a bad upgrade over what I wanted. Which brings me to my next point:

There is no mechanic out there that works on rotary engines or its components. Even the RX7 techs have made mistakes when I talked to them or had them work on my RX8. This is a damn shame because the Renesis is a better engine in every way over the Wankel.

Biggest problem I have with the RX8. NO FUCKING AFTER MARKET. Racing Beat is trash along with all the others that exist. I wanted to get some 2-piece rotors and they don't exist for the car. Apparently Mazda used some weird size. All the miata fags are taking RX8 parts and putting them on their cars as "upgrades." BHR is the best place to have components and I am very happy with their products, but expensive af.

I've become quite the mechanic with actual advice and input based on what I've learned to do myself with the RX8. This is personal growth and I always value this, but it came at some financial cost. The RX8 is expensive to own.

this is true they start becoming logistical challenges to own and keep running too

they are still fun but become way more scary than fun

but if you are an adrenaline junkie then its the same thing

Wait, wait wai, ho' up. Did you just imply user was wrong, and then post numbers that show user was right?

Fuck, I kind of want one, but I already own an FD and SA22C lol. Mazda knows how to make some fun fucking cars.

Yeah, the CD player is awful for a post-'90s product. I have an '04 base, and the CD player gave up the ghost after doing the shittiest possible job playing music smoothly during highway driving. Even bridge bumps would make it skip. Mazda was trying to go up-market with this car?!

I've also done pretty much everything on this car. Engine, brakes, shocks (autocrosser), BHR coils, little things. Had to do the ssv.

I'd rather have an FD. the 8 is nice, but the 7 is... more.

This is the point where you really should have stopped wasting any more time on this retard. He clearly forgot his meds.

I think the general gist is:
>There's no comparative value in weighing your own car

>the renesis is better than the wankel

Sounds like you're the one who doesn't know shit about these cars. Not only does that make zero sense, but the renesis has huge airflow restrictions at higher than stock power.

You're dumb

You're fucking joking if you think you can open a peripheral exhaust port enough to crack 350 whp.

Obviously meant side ports, but this