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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_3_Series_(E90)
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Have a bump friend.

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Take your meds faggot

>You can help make Veeky Forums a better place
Lol!

*Rust intensifies*

>Veeky Forums
>ever having any moderation

we HARDLY ever have moderation on this pos board.

better get used to all the retarded post here, any sane person would take one look at this mess of a board and just leave shortly after.

>ass blasted BMW fags

BUMP!

How do you retards encounter all of these problems? Are the American models just shit or is your entire country full of retards that just can’t into cars?

The latter, everyone in Europe I’ve spoken to knows that bmw has great build quality and are surprised when I tell them Americans don’t think they’re reliabls

I've actually never had grief from my old base model 3 series. Sold it just because I woke up one morning and decided I wanted a 4x4.
My uncle said his 7 was the best car he had and the only reason he had to sell was because the government decided to increase his tax to some retardedly exorbitant amount one year.

Yeah probably the displacement tax because 7 series have big engines. I agree my 5 series is 11 years old and has absolutely no problems, barely spent any money on it over 3 years of daily driving.

Quality control in EU is stricter and they get different models.
Quality standards in third world countries are lower so local manufacturers can compete. Insurance companies have american-made BMWs can lumped in with the bavarian models. Since most americans are retards who buy BMW crossovers made in South Carolina they get american materials and build quality. When these lumps of shit begin to fail researchers start raking in the data and the average picture shows that BMW is unreliable as a brand.

Yep, the newer Z cars and SUVs are american trash. I really don’t mind retards thinking they’re not solid cars because that just means I can buy any bmw I want dirt cheap. People are scared or too lazy to do basic maintenance and then blame the car. How surprising that a finely tuned engine mated to a tuned rwd platform designed for sporty driving might take a little more work than a shitty jap econobox with a tiny anemic engine.

my both e46 and e39 (2000) still using original radiator, hose , water pump and transmission cooler, already replace thermostat though. 17 years now should i replace whole thing?

maybe if bmw didnt use cheap plastics in their cooling systems we wouldnt

and I'm not american, we get german manufactured models here. protip: its all automated and it's a design flaw not assembly one

If the engine isn’t overheating at all you’re fine. You could do it proactively if you want.

All of the replacement water pumps are metal, you replace it once and the engine runs forever. Not a valid excuse for buying a boring cuckbox.

>different plants have contracts from different suppliers
>suppliers change throughout the years
>suppliers will fuck you over

American BMWs are assembled in the US and Mexico and you wonder why some piece of plastic is melting.

>lol if you buy this shit car then have it fixed its totally ok for the manufacturer to make shit cars
LoL!

t. mechanically inclined normie

>mfw my BMW has "Made in W. Germany" stamped literally everywhere
:)

Source?

source?

It's be em dub not Mazda

Any German car after early 2000's is fucking overpriced bland looking junk.
"German Engineering" quality hasn't existed for decades, "made in Germany" means nothing these days.

dougdemuro.kinja.com/german-reliability-the-greatest-myth-ever-sold-to-amer-1572026115

autoguide.com/auto-news/2012/05/are-german-cars-reliable-myth-german-engineering.html

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_3_Series_(E90)

The "same" model is assembled from Kalinigrad to Jakarta across 12 separate plants.
Supply contracts change all the time, maybe except for some top suppliers. A faulty pump caused by poor choice of plastics is probably a problem in the supplier and quality control.

the difference between german and, say, italian cars is that germans could make them reliable but don't because planned obsolescence is profitable. So semi rich cuntz lease them then some stupid retard like the people on Veeky Forums buy one used and then have to buy parts because lolcheapplastic in your cooling system

And at the end of the day they can do whatever they want because the german engineering meme sells cars

Normies are slowly waking up tho here in hungary more and more brand new toyotas and hondas as opposed to used bmw and vw

proof me assembly isnt identical whether made by brown people in germany or brown ones in jakarta

>I directly link Doug DeMuro articles on Kinja

Truth hurts.
Stay mad Germanfag.

economics.mit.edu/files/7612

what is google?

also consider this is a case analysis of Toyota, a company who mastered teaching shitskins across the globe how to assemble cars(I highly recommend you read "The Toyota Way").
It's evident that BMW has managerial problems when outsourcing to foreign plants. The parts quality of the g310r that is currently being assembled in India appalled motorrad management so much that it resulted in a six month delay.

Funny how even with planned obsolence German cars are still more reliable than Italian trash cars.

>autonews.com/article/20141027/RETAIL03/310279956/un-honda-like-problems-plague-new-plant-in-mexico
>oppositelock.kinja.com/why-german-made-is-better-than-north-american-made-1170410023

>For recent model years, we find no advantage for the Japanese built cars, while for older model years, especially for Toyota models produced prior to 2002, there are somewhat more substantial differences
>For recent model years, we find no advantage for the Japanese built cars
>For recent model years, we find no advantage for the Japanese built cars
>For recent model years, we find no advantage for the Japanese built cars

DANKE fur proving my point. it doesn't matter what colour the finger pushing the button for the robot to build you car is.
>A FUCKING BLOGPOST
take that fanboi shit out of here

either way you're trying to tell me that BMW drops in quality by outsorcing yet outsorcing is more and more common to the point that even if you buy a bmw in europe you might not get one assembled in germany. so you have to go to great lengths to get a model made in ze elusive bavarian lands (nvm that the model you want might not even have the option to be built there), only to still get a car with cheap plastics but now it the button on the robot was pressed by an eastern european rather than southeastern asian or mexican
not really. at least according to stats. but to not insult you (and you are one HELLA of an easily insulted people), I will admit that planned obsolescence takes great skill and marksmanship

outsourcing*

also since we are doing blogposts have this link of an italian guy being so fed up with the poor quality of his BMW and BMW refusing to fix it (or rather, unable because so overengineered you can't find your own arse) he goes to le fabled bavaria to smash it

I assume dat car was purchased in italy and shipped from germany but if it wasn't it's still your fault for choosing ze efficient (Read: cheap) path

businessinsider.com/man-smashes-160000-bmw-m6-in-germany-2013-9

water pump or cooling stuff are made by behr and mahle...not Indonesia...

the assembled line it just assembled is like lego but everything from bmw.

>Mahle Behr GmbH & Co. KG is a German corporation active in the automobile industry, headquartered in Stuttgart-Feuerbach. It is a specialist for automotive air conditioning and engine cooling systems. In 2006 group sales was €3.2 billion and it employed 18,600 staff.[1]


woaaahahahaha look at that it's still a german company. but no it's gotta be the fault of those pesky foreigners somehow

own up faggots

>For recent model years, we find no advantage for the Japanese built cars
>while for older model
years, especially for Toyota models produced prior to 2002, there are somewhat more substantial differences
>Overall, we see our findings as largely consistent with the idea that the two dominant Japanese automakers have been successful at transferring their high-quality production to their foreign transplants in
the U.S.

Clearly this is not the case for BMW where there are substantial differences in the final build quality across different plants.
I stated that just this year BMW failed to deliver their latest motorcycle, the production of which was outsourced to India.
You asked me if there was proof that assembly wasn't identical in plants of the same brands in different countries. The article stated in the case of Toyota pre-2002 models had noticeable quality differences between Japanese and American cars.
The fact that Toyota got their shit together doesn't mean that all other brands did.

>not really.
Yeah really. See FCA products and see the new Alfa Giulia which is the most unreliable new car ever.

prove it
not according to stats

> The article stated in the case of Toyota pre-2002 models had noticeable quality differences between Japanese and American cars.

that's because in the late 90s early 2000s is when automated assembly became the norm.

it really doesn't matter when bmw is built still cheap plastic. it's all automated stuff it's irrelevant who presses the button

where bmw is built*

Your list is bullshit because Rover, Renault, Smart, Peugeot, MG are not reliable car manufacturers.
According to JD Power vehicle reliability indexes FCA brands have been in the bottom end for many years.
Also Fiat 500 was nominated as the least reliable car in America a couple years ago.
forbes.com/sites/katiekerwin/2014/10/28/cars-you-can-count-on-and-the-ones-that-might-let-you-down/#7b43893c578e

your list is bullshit because dependability is built around asking people if they are satisfied with the cupholders in their car and is not exclusively about reliability

secondly you're a retard. rover was a shitbox maker and not landrover, they were reliable, scroll down to find the real land rover

all french cars are more reliable than kraut cars in recent times

mg is shoddy but mechanically they weren't very bad

also how come when someone says BMW VW is shit etc you immediately yell ''AMERICAN'' - doesn't count. but suddenly now you use american stats?

Yeah how about an actual dependability list like TUV reports instead of warranty lists.
anusedcar.com/index.php/tuv-report-year-age/2017-6-7/579
A S63 AMG with a biturbo V8 will probably be more expensive to upkeep than a Honda Civic but that doesn't mean the Mercedes will be breaking down the whole time.

TUV is biased shit and all the cars you have on that list have low mileage

1) stop trying to make it seem like reliability index is influenced by repair costs a lot. there's an addendum about toyota having high repair costs and they're still well above your stupid volkswagen
2) stop changing the subject. this thread is about BMW USING PLASTIC PARTS and so far you have only -FAILED- to prove me wrong by blaming foreigners despite everything being automated and everything being the fault of the engineers

actually excuse me for a second. I know this thread is about discussing BMW USING PLASTIC MELTING PARTS and you -FAILING- to prove me wrong by blaming foreigners. BUT

check out the TUV list, according to them

>Volkswagen Passat CC 15.7%

AND THEN

>Volkswagen Passat 19.6%

it doesn't make sense. normal passat have only 30k more KILOMETERS - IRRELEVANT. CC is more complex car with all kinds of stuff that break down.

so either TUV is incompetent, stats are FLAWED, or FAKE list. is your choice but either way shit list

>TUV is biased shit
TUV is plain annual vehicle check up data, exactly the same as MOT in the UK, how can a MOT inspection even be biased?
Because the standard Passat is a much more common car and is the most popular company car and is widely used as taxi in Germany while the CC is a more expensive luxury car not driven to the ground like the Passat.

shit thats the 3rd water pump this year

AHA so their sampling is faulty? gotcha. good thing we have the strong reliability index to base our facts on.

>>ass blasted BMW fags

gee, i wonder where that half assed assumption came from...