Europoor here

Maybe that's the case in Europe I have no idea. In my experience in the US, BMW is a shitheap car company selling overpriced commuter vehicles that break down every 1000 miles.

>He doesn't do his maintenance himself

Nothing more rewarding than fixing codes and changing your spark plugs yourself.

That is if you do it yourself.

Used BMWs are the best cheap, sporty daily drivers for the money in Europe

why not a Twingo GT TCE 110bhp it's a little smaller but so is a mazda2

>Mazda 2
>Good looking

Pick one.

It's also a total snorefest to drive.

buy a used Fiesta

15k gets you a brand new Fiesta with everything you want in it in the USA.
ST is in the 23k range. For 15k he can get a used Fiesta ST easily.

Kia Cee'd is one of the best hatchbacks on the market today. Rock solid, cheap to buy, cheap to run. Both diesel and petrol 1.6 engines are great for day to day driving, and the rare 2.0 petrol is quite a fast animal.
And if you won't buy a Cee'd because you're a badgewhore, kys

Maybe 2017 Suzuki Swift?

Kia Rio is a better car
But around his budget he can pick up a nice Kia Optima anyways

the new model is 3000 euros more expensive than the previous one

LADA VESTA

Honestly all cars in this category are gay looking boring suffering mobiles
I'd rather kms than spend 15k on such piece of shit

You may get a Fiesta for that money but according to TUV testing they have twice the failure rate of the Mazda 2 or Opel Adam after 2 years. Putting it joint 55th on the list with the ix20

Even less reliable at 84th.

Unsurprisingly better than Kia at 72nd.

Europoor here
The Mazda looks great and has a lot of options but it's more expensive than the competence. Try the new Fiesta

Ford will cost you more in the long term.

That's a universal truth not just for this topic.

I literally purchased a brand new 2017 Ford Fiesta model S with some bullshit options like spoke steel rims and other shit I really don't care about, for only $10,700 in the state of Vermont in October.
The Fiesta ST on the lot was priced at around 23k sticker if I remember right.

What do they run in Europe? I thought they were just as cheap over there.

You could get a slightly used clio sport for that price and have something fun.

Around 18k for a new Titanium spec 1.0 Ecoboost 100hp

>titanium
Don't get that, the options are a waste of money. I'm pretty sure they're all automatic as well, and the Selectshift DCT is the most unreliable part of the car. The S is rock solid manual.

At 97th on the list it's even less reliable than the Rio in 90th.

All Euro Fiestas are available with a manual gearbox

Buy whatever grey shitbox you want then.

the new fiesta looks shite. Just get a Mk7 ST

The new Ibiza is the best car in this segment

Just trying to help op with reliability data.

after the Tipo hatchback maybe

Tipo is C-segment

>0 star safety rating

fully specced, brand new 14k

i20 coupe

>Tipo
> 0 stars
ok?? LOL

This, Fiesta is the benchmark for small hatches and I don't even like Ford

Except the Mazda scored much better than the Fiesta after 5 years in the German TÜV, which is a very big deal. They are rock-solid reliable and are actually fun to drive. They dont have turbos that blow up and are generally headache-free.

>They dont have turbos that blow up
This really shouldn't be a problem for a new car and I'd take the 1.0 ecoboost over most other small petrols.

this desu boosterjet and 4wd

Lots of small hatches score well above the Ford after just 2 years.

You are right it shouldn't be, and it isn't, apart from on turbo Fords.

just get a twingo for 1k faggot. 15k would buy you a much more interesting car

I own the North American Mazda 2 (Toyota IA). It's about 500lbs lighter than my old VW Golf and a bit faster. It also gets 44 mpg in the winter and is fun to throw around. Probably the safest subcompact, Hyundai has the worst rating. Power to weight is fine, I go 75mph on the highway.

>Tipo

Sure enjoy boring cars with poor safety.

OP, never buy new. Go out and buy something that's actually good and cheap for £5000 and will last more than 5 years. New cars are quite literally a scam under a certain price point unless you are buying a shitbox like a Dacia Sandynegro where it costs £6k and you won't care about it.

You can buy a used fucking S-CLASS for less than a brand new car and you can buy 'hot hatch' Sedans for less than that which have 4 wheel drive, do 0-60 in under 6 seconds and you can fucking do shit in other than commute because they have a boot you can hide a hooker in.

Do not buy a shitty hatchback. They are worthless if you arent a 17 year old girl.

You can get a used sub 50.000km 2015 Mazda 3 for that kind of money.

Recently got a Honda Jazz(Fit) in a similar price range and I quite like it. Unfortunately is and ugly fucker

Get the Mazda2. Things fucking FAST!

sup

Thats complete bullshit, jags are unreliable even in the engine, Dad has a 2014 XF V6 AWD, steering pump broke 2 times, a cooling hose decided to sudoku 2 times aswell, also yeah the electronics are shit, one day the gps decided he was from belgium and now everytime you start the car u need to change the location back, and the ventilation thingy that moves the fans up and down killed itself and now they are stuck open, fucking jags are so beautifull fun to drive and everything, but reliability is defo not a thing on them

>not a 2nd gen GT for 3k

ITT people thinking that being able to run, insure and service 15k new car and used car is exactly same thing.

Are you all underage or just retarded?

He can buy a nearly new Mk7 Fiesta ST for £15k (or Euros)
The running costs would be mostly the same apart from slightly worse MPG, but he'd be buying the best small hot hatch of its generation with endless tuning and aftermarket options.

Not really, quick look at used car sites and fiesta ST for model year 2014 and up costs around 18 000 euro and more.

>535d
>335d
>great fuel mileage
Pick none you stupid fuck.
Gas is ~1.4 € in germoney/austria/switzerland/italy, that mazda does 5L / 100 KM easily even in the 115 HP trim, an old BMW will be close to 10L / 100 KM.
At the end of the year the difference will be in the thousands of euro.

They need to ditch the pointless cx3 and bring back the 2

The CX-3 is the same thing but taller and more expensive, right?

Yeah it's like they tried to make a Mazda 3 using the 2's platform and just ended up with a pointless vehicle

Normies love taller seating positions because it makes them feel safer, so they'll gladly pay a bit more.

And you could always get a Scion/Yaris iA and put a Mazda 2 front clip on it, they're the same car except one's a hatch and the other is some weird baby sedan thing.

I am normie
I drive audi a6 but I am sure as hell am getting crossover next
maybe its me getting old, but fuck this twisting knees when getting in and out or having every fuckers headlights right in the face.

Get out, stop ruining cars, reeeeeeeeeeeee etc.

OP here, great thread so far, thanks for the input

I have so many fucking second hand temptations but I want a car that wont give me surprises and I want to use it to tour around yurop, so I'm looking at something new rather than a deal for a second hand

my shortlist so far is the new polo because of all the tech crammed up its ass, the new ibiza which is the same platform as the polo but looks neater and is more expensive and has shit interior and less tech -fuck me right?-, mazda 2 or killing myself and saving money for a new mazda 5 in a few more years

Also consider the cheapest version of the Polo, the Skoda Fabia.

I was in one recently, honestly its a great car but I am trying to find a car I really love to look at whereas the fabia is just a good car without much personality

the new polo is boxy and I think it's got more personality than a fabia personally

You mean the outgoing gen Polo or pic related? Because the new Polo's design really bothers me.

Dealers will probably be trying to get rid of the "old" Polo stock so you might be able to snap one of those up with a nice discount though, which is nice.

this new boxy thing, I like it, I like weird looking cars though, when I first started looking for a new car I had my eyes set on the new C3 and every time I see it I still really like that weird fucking thing

i ctrl+F and only one guy said it
Honda Jazz (called Fit in the ameriland)

just check it out, I remember it being quite a heavy hitter in its class

and as I said in other comment, I would definitely go for crossover
Mazda CX-3 starts at 15 200€ here in eastern europe
and I would trust it more going for travel around europe than small hatchback class

i saw one just a few hours ago and I cant lie I really like how it looks too, but I cant justify buying a entry level cx3 when I could have a higher trim mazda 2 with parking sensors and shit

besides I read that one the inside theyre basically the same fucking thing

That's because the CX-3 is the same thing as the 2, just taller and more expensive.

Fucking retard, if you want an economy car you have to get fwd, I went from driving a rwd v8 to a fwd econobox and I've got no problems with fwd

You deserve what ever ridiculous maintenance and service bills you get if you're stupid enough to buy a British car, especially a used one

>Dacia Sandynegro

>Fucking retard, if you want an economy car you have to get fwd
Kek my friends 320d gets 4.5l/100km on highways and 6.5l/100km city driving
You don't '''have''' to get fwd if you're not a retard