Let's discuss why LS engines are worse at literally everything.
>low end torque it's called a lazy powerband and is stupid in a performance car. A diesel truck engine has low end torque too but there's a reason why production performance cars avoid them.
>reliability my engine would be reliable too if i could go to cousin cletus' truck and put his engine parts on my "sportscar". Even then it's not hard making a lazy ass v8 with 50 years of literally no improvement work.
>parts and avalibility so you decided to buy a car with an engine that hasn't changed in 50 years because it's simple-minded inbred audience would actually not be able to comprehend any changes done to the engine, so GM has been forced to keep it the same or have the wrath of the trailer park boomers come after them. You, as a car enthusiast.
>lap times i will admit that it could be fun at a racetrack. Much like fucking a hot cousin would be fun but it would be retarded.
>pushrods CAN rev high1!1 name a production car with pushrods that can hit 9000rpm. >why does that matter because short gearing and higher RPM is ideal for performance applications, but I wouldn't imagine GM's retarded fanbase would understand.
GM almost went bankrupt because not even normies are stupid enough to buy their cars, yet here you are as a self proclaimed "car enthusiast" who has much more access to information and experience than normies. Gm has never made good cars, Is not making good cars, and never will make good cars.
Just admit that the ls engine is a lazy truck engine that has no business anywhere outside of trucks, and that any development that should have been done on it has been halted by retarded boomers and their inbred offspring spewing their verbal diarrhea about how ls engines are anything other than shit, and we can all move on with our lives and maybe GM won't be afraid to make an engine that isn't completely useless outside of a truck.
It's not really the worst but it's painfully mediocre. It's the "Good enough" of engines, the goal of those who lack knowledge or inspiration.
Mason Brooks
No LS engine has ever been placed in a truck. An LS has good power everywhere, not just down low or up high. LS is a single generation of motors released in the early 90s. They don't make LS motors, only LTs, with direct injection, forced induction and VVT.
Bad bait OP.
Joseph Bell
it's the honda apologist "i love all cars cause that's what real car guyz do" episode.
Leo Scott
>lazy powerband
>having torque and mid-range and top end power is somehow not a good thing
you want as much torque as you can get everywhere you can have it. LS torque curve is cake and eating it too, and its a fuck load of cake
>durr truck engine
the LS-based truck engines and the LS1/2/7/9 etc are not the same. They have different castings (IRON VS ALUMINUM), different cam profiles, intake manifolds are totally different, different cylinder heads, different sized valves in said different cylinder heads. different accessories also, different exhaust manifolds, etc.
>engine has changed in 50 years
LS1 came out in like 1997
>short gearing and higher RPM
don't mind me, just making 1st gear pulls to 50mph. shit is so fast off the line people just give up because they know they got BTFO
nobody ever had anything negative to say about my PUSHRODZ when they felt dat pull
Mason Cruz
>ur wrong cause u didn't use da spechul letters! it's been literally the same shit coming out of GM's braindead R&D department
Hudson Taylor
have you ever heard a CTS-V or corvette C7 in real life?
it is literally god like. only an actual sperg wouldn't be at least slightly impressed.
its like pretending to be bored while riding a roller coaster. everyone knows you're just being a child
Sebastian King
at first I thought you were retarded, skipped about half your reply, then I read that you do "pulls" and I no longer had to guess whether or not you're retarded. Let me know when you understand how cars work outside of "i pus da gas and it go loud noise"
Sebastian James
>guyz i did reading on motortrend and they said they're not shit i swear they're not GM shills despite the cars being complete shit in reality!
Jason Long
>driving friends around in 300whp car >sorry guys I only do the speed limit, nothing personal
Gabriel Reyes
>it is literally god like why is it always fat fucks that buy these cars that have no idea how cars or competition works?
like it's always that 30 something fat fuck driving muscle cars and has never been near a track in their entire life that isn't a drag strip.
Christian Scott
It's actually an entirely new engine. Block, heads, bottom and top end, etc... It's all entirely new between generations. Maybe do some research before making yourself look like a dumbass
Eli Cook
>i do da highway pullz!
20 bucks says you're some highschooler faggot who watches 1230 videos all day and thinks they know shit about cars. (spoiler, if you are defending anything GM does, you don't know shit about cars.)
Caleb Smith
>da metal different!
no it's the same. Maybe lookup something like the new mclaren engine to figure out how they got 710 hp out of a 4.0l v8, when GM struggles to get half that power out of twice the displacement.
Luis Powell
This is the worst part of muscle car ownership.
Jealous pieces of fucking shit
Jackson Nguyen
oh wait your tiny brain wouldn't be able to comprehend how it works.
maybe if GM shills would not be so retarded they could have something nice too
Levi Rivera
the worst part being a fat fuck or not knowing how to drive?
Alexander Morgan
20 bucks says you drive a rusty accord and wishes it was an eg hatch
Joseph Ortiz
Wow OP, spent all that time typing out that drivel. Must suck being slow.
Dominic Cook
>LS powered cars >fast
Logan Rivera
pretentious faggots like you who think anyone who owns a V8 car is some middle aged country redneck
fuck off with your insecurities
Ian Sullivan
>those tires I would actually smash the fuck out of you at any respectable racetrack. I can smell an attention whore from a mile away and you sir are the kind of faggot that pulls up to car meets with his 200hp 8.0l v8 and talks shit until someone tries racing, spins your wheels into fourth because the shitty 225 all seasons your mom bought are fucking trash, and you end up binning it and blaming it on oil or something.
30$ says you're a fat piece of shit 20$ says you're single 10$ says you spent way more on that LS sway than just rebuilding the engine would have cost you 5$ says it would have ended up better anyways because now you have a "sportscar' with the same powerband as a truck.
Jonathan Green
>But muh special arab edition supercar A boutique built twin turbo supercar at least triple the price of a fucking camaro is a much different case. The McLaren isn't expected to survive use in a variety of climates as a daily driver for hundreds of thousands of miles, while still remaining affordable for the working class. Any company could make an engine with extreme HP per liter if it's not contained by purchase and operating cost
Cooper Morris
no I have nothing against V8's. I have a thing against LS engines because they are exactly like their fanbase. Lazy fat fucks who haven't done anything to improve themselves since they were born.
Zachary Perry
>$50000 says this guy has autism
Josiah Peterson
then why didn't mclaren use pushrods if it was better? why doesn't ferrari? why doesn't lambroghini? why doesn't porsche? why doesn't literally anyone but GM put pushrods in their cars?
Ayden Bennett
>i've never drove an LS car so I'll just be a pretentious asshole douchebag and pretend to know what i'm talking about
(you)
its just an engine bro. jesus
Hudson Morris
>T. Babby ass blasted because he can't own a glorious 6.2L V8
Nolan Foster
>durrr im a stupid cunt who knows nothing about ls's i bet you've never even driven one let alone owned one stupid fucking spastic
Michael Davis
$500,000 says this guy has no idea what pushrods even do
Brandon Brown
>hurr muh 6.2 is faster than your Ferd deezel
Jace Brooks
Why do people always look at the stock "production" power output of the LS? The whole point of the LS is cheap easily upgradable power as in HCI getting you 600whp NA. That's why it comes understressed from the factory.
Chase Thompson
i've honestly driven a G8. And it was exactly like i thought it was going to be. Tall gearing, garbage powerband, the redline was too low.
you know who owned it? A fat lazy fuck. You know who owns pushcuck engines? lazy fat fucks. maybe if you spent as much time working out as you do defending the LS engine you'd be able to fit into something that wasn't designed by literal retards.
William Ward
5000000 says he doesnt even drive
Jason Martin
He never said it was better you sperg.
Did you miss the affordable part? Pushrods also make it compact to fit in a stupid amount of applications.
Lemme know when your engine gets thrown in everything from cars to planes to boats.
Jacob Gomez
>cheap easy 600WHP NA
neck yourself
>fast LSX intake >heads, cam, nitrous >still not 600whp
Justin Wright
oh ya bro an 800hp daily driver LS swapped RX7 is so easy to do bro, just 500$ and an afternoon!
you're proving my point of LS fans being pretty high on the spectrum
Asher Young
>WAAAAAAAAAAAAH WHY DOES A STOCK GRAND TOURING SEDAN HAVE SHIT GEARING Probably a fucking automatic u stupid pleb
go drive a 6sp manual with a 3.7+ rear and a cam faggot
Brayden Gomez
I never once said pushrods are better. But they are cheaper, and they are more compact. Smaller heads means you can have a larger displacement block. They make up for the slight airflow reduction and the larger RPM loss with displacement. Pushrods are good enough for an affordable vehicle with high power requirements and little need for extreme efficiency. Also Dodge still uses pushrods, as well as Ford
Matthew Thomas
>i drove a stock automatic G8 and it wasn't what i expected, lmao LS IS SHIT
I bet its still a better car than what ever bullshit your salted ass drives
Chase Gonzalez
OH REALLY A STOCK CAR HAS LONG GEARING NO SHIT. No way anything would have good fuel efficiency figures if it had 4.11s
Jordan Russell
>milions of garbage truck engines are shoved into a fiberglass body to make a cheap sportscar >retarded boomers and their inbred offspring complain if their precious meme engine is touched so literally nothing changes. >they keep being made because boomers are retarded and want their meme engine >guyz it's so cheap
it's cheap because it's shit.
Anthony Scott
Vs. Premixing oil at the gas station and rebuilding your engine every month like a fucking idiot. Talk about being high on the spectrum.
Carter Perez
Find me a truck with an LSA then faggot
Daniel Johnson
based logic poster >it's cheap because it's shit. ok what facking faggot car to you dream of driving while u ride the bus faggot?
Brandon Flores
pushrods are worse for performance applications. End of story. Ls engines in general are outdated blocks of shit that are the last hopes and dreams of boomers and their inbred offspring.
Cameron Turner
>Also Dodge still uses pushrods, as well as Ford Ford discontinued the Windsor i believe but Bentley also uses them currently. >luxury british pushrods
Brayden Torres
it would still be shit because it's a GM product
Asher Ross
>drive stock A4 3.23 rear LS1 trans am >beat 505hp Z06 off the line all the way to 90mph because he couldn't hook in his manual/couldn't shift fast enough
i don't think this guy ever got to do anything fun with the G8. hell he was probably in cylinder deactivation mode cruising on 6
Wyatt Ramirez
if it had an engine that wasn't designed in the 70's it could have good fuel effeciency.
Asher Roberts
say that to my fucking face benchracer And whats your car ?
probably was too shit scared to take it out of eco mode
Wyatt Howard
>drag racing you're one of those retards aren't you
Zachary Williams
Is there a problem with people enjoying things without being a millionaire?
If we're purely talking cheap engines, your only real options are Hondas, GM V8s, some Toyota engines, and VW 1600 Dual ports.
Get off your high horse n go home.
Tyler Young
>pushrods are worse for performance applications
>still 7k redline making 400+whp >smaller externally >lighter
Gavin Adams
>implying stoplight racing = drags lel u hate fun dont u?
Leo Ortiz
the super charged 6.2 ls2 is only slightly less powerfull than the 6.2 mercedes v8, the mercedes v8 costs $50,000 and parts are very hard to find because they change the design all the time
the point isn't what i drive. the point is that LS engines are fucking garbage and if GM fanboys stopped shilling a shitty engine, GM's lazy as fuck engineers might actually have to do some work for once in their overpaid lives.
Henry Young
again, so why is GM the only ones to use them for performance cars? because GM is fucking retarded as well as their fanbase
Dylan Davis
when some 19 year old kid challenges you to race his daddys vette you don't pussy out
especially when he drops the clutch like a retard and spins and you fucking leave him in the dust in a car with 200 hp less
Mason Perry
Worse depends on how you look at it. They're worse at high RPM, and as a result are worse for HP per liter, but are better for physical size, weight, affordability, aftermarket support, and ease of repair. It's near perfect for the job it's meant to do, because not everyone will be able to afford a car over 100k.
David Butler
>the point isn't what i drive. YES it is faggot your just writing stupid shit with no actual evidence to back any of it up
THIS happened to my LS1 with over 150k miles af ter limiter bashing it for 2 years
Easton Garcia
see or i just report his license plate to the police when he inevitably launches it off the line trying to show off how cool he is that he found the gas pedal.
Cameron Jackson
Ford powerstrokes are 32 valve Pushrod I believe. Already huge engines wouldn't have fit in the bay with OHC
Tyler Ramirez
faggots already deleting posts i see
Jeremiah Green
HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAH you're a fucking idiot
>bashing it off the rev limiter for 2 years >driving like a cock in public kys
Jaxon Walker
>yes soy be like the rest of us cuckbugnumen
Jack Hall
Also >those chubby nail-biting retard manlet hands if someone said they drive a car with an LS and asked me to describe their hands, that is exactly what i would have pictured. Thank you for proving my point further
Camden Wilson
GM actually has two DOHC V8s upcoming
Caleb Garcia
>13.1:1 why do people keep posting this
Tyler Thomas
> (OP) >No LS engine has ever been placed in a truck. What is a UTE
Noah Myers
Is that a boy?
John Fisher
so go to a track. Oh wait you can't because all you do is drive back and fourth to the grocery store hauling your 600lbs of grocerys every week. Good thing you have long gearing and a shit powerband to help you haul your fat ass and your groceries back.
i'm sure their mommy is very proud. Too bad it's another GM product.
Matthew Richardson
you realize GM uses DOHC in everything else, right? ATS-V is twin turbo DOHC V6
also Not only GM is using pushrods - Does the Dodge HELLCAT ring a fucking bell?
Dodge V8s are OHV also you retards
Robert Clark
Attractive women dig the LS. And trannies hang out with DOHC people. Really makes you think.
Luis Martinez
10/10 thread, absolutely fantastic thread OP
Daniel Gray
>so go to a track. Oh wait you can't because all you do is drive back and fourth to the grocery store hauling your 600lbs of grocerys every week. Good thing you have long gearing and a shit powerband to help you haul your fat ass and your groceries back. being this asshurt LOL faggot cunt you wont even say what fucking hunk of shit you drive if u even drive at all fagg fucking suck my 400rwhp 600nm shitcuck
Angel Williams
>or i just report his license plate
I bet you sip your latte and tweet about it also
or your gay ass car is so unappealing they know your just a normie and nobody is challenging you to a race anyway
Jaxson Parker
Not a truck, it's a ute. A truck must be body on frame
Josiah Kelly
No kelly is a girl
Connor Perez
you put an LS in your car just to put an LS in it. You don't race it or do anything competitive in your life because if you did you would have realized how fucking stupid you were.
Jordan Gomez
>Buck-toothed Sid the sloth, complete with chin
Jonathan Allen
Are you a soyboy who can't handle a little compression?
Hunter Bailey
>yuropoors are still salty that an LS is the same weight and size as their anemic 4 bangers while making twice the hp/torque
Christian Ramirez
>who needs low end torque, right? >*downshifts to climb hill*
I don't want a torqueless rev monster if the car weighs more than 1500lbs.
Noah Richardson
That much isn't streetable and you can't boost it without piston change
Evan White
because you're a fat lazy fuck?
Josiah Cruz
The bus you ride on too probably has a pushrod engine faggot
Lincoln Bell
Her teeth are the cutest
Carter King
i like the b8
Ayden Powell
For somebody on a Chinese drifting cartoon chatroom you're pretty ignorant of all the LS powered professional drift cars.
Nathaniel Taylor
The LS is pigfat
Noah Fisher
>drift cars and drag cars I already talked about the LS retarded fanbase, no need to extrapolate.
Connor Sullivan
Because not bouncing off the rev limiter at 60mph is nice.
Kayden Cox
>has never been in a car that can effortlessly climb hills in final gear
if you downshift and give it some gas in a car like that you roll burnouts up the hill
>drive ls1 car >normies think 20% throttle is WOT because they feel a little torque
when you ACTUALLY give it some power its hilarious to see their reaction
Samuel Turner
500 HP from a 3L V8. Imagine if america's engineers weren't inbred retards what they could achieve.
Jordan Long
A ute isn't a truck you dumb fuck
Tyler Price
>muh special snowflake fused at the crank bike engine that cost $20000 and makes less torque than cleetus's 2004 silverado
Zachary Gonzalez
I don't see anybody else getting 11 000hp from 7 liters.