Just because a car is slow doesn't mean it's bad

>Have a pretty decent chassis developed
>Have a pretty decent turbo motor available
>Put a shitty torque dipping NA version in instead

Veeky Forumsutists will actually defend this.

It's still faster than the average European clownbox. It's got that going for it, Which is nice.

You pay money for light weight anything these days especially in the pigfat world of modern cars.

My car and I are svelt enough that I notice the differences in fuel tank levels or shit in the back. I'm not driving around an extra 700lbs unless it's a V8.

meh i like mine, i know what its good at and what it's not.

that's all that really matters.

Veeky Forums puts this thing on a pedestal like it's supposed to be competing with $200k supercars and shit. The average person drives this thing like a grandma and will never take it to a track or "the twisties".

I think they were just seeing if people would actually buy these and just stuck with it after their decent sales figures. They'll make a sti version once the fanboy scene grows a bit more.

tldr: just because you can't afford a slow but fun toy doesn't mean it's a bad car.

This is true. I drove a brz on some back roads and had a blast. Sure my moms sienna will beat it in a drag race but thats not what the car was made for.

>supposed to be competing with $200k supercars and shit.
lmao no its the fact that its lackluster for what it is at that stupid fucking price. A civic Si is faster and costs what? 4k less?

Holy that color is sexy

Normal people actually consider these to be fast cars.

That's all they need, why waste times and money pandering to Veeky Forumstists?

It literally offers nothing over other similar performance/priced cars

The only thing it has that its slightly lighter than average cars and its RWD. Other than that its a piece of shit. The interior is this cheap ass plastic that rattles and vibrates because its put together like ass. The stereo system sucks because the speakers will drown out if you turn them up too much which you're prone to because the road noise in this car is fucking shit. Oh yea and don't listen to anything with bass that'll just make them resonate even worse.

Don't forget the retarded ass torque dip.

Some people can't live with fucking fwd and will willingly take the slower car with rwd. You also have to factor in the weight which you pay for. A $25k truck is faster than both if you want to play the straight line dick waving game.

also

t. owned a 2014 FRS from 2014 to 2016

So they're so autistic they'll sacrifice everything for an overpriced shitty RWD platforn

>wow this car is a piece of shit but at least its RWD

A WRX is the same price and is way fucking faster

oh yea and doesn't have skinny ass prius tires

But Subaru boxer engines arent reliable.

nice memes faggot, what is this 2006?

this

Toyobaru BTFO

I'd say wasting your money on a "quick" fwd is slightly more autistic. All that speed and you can't drift and will eventually understeer or snap oversteer into a wall. You're severely cucked with fwd.

It has such bad torque it can't accelerate on hills

youtube.com/watch?v=xwpka_DDJis

4:55

>you can't drift
you're autistic

>understeer into a wall
says the faggot who says "you can't drift, but you'll oversteer"

You literally just hit the brakes to stop an understeer, you're so much more likely to slam into a wall in an oversteer.

Jesus christ its like all you faggots play forza with ASM on max then fuck around so much you think you know everything when you don't

>and thirsty as fuck
I know. However, weebs, soybois, and liberals refuse admitting it.

>enter a corner way too fast
>don't brake at all until its way too late
>car actually oversteers at the last second.

You can't drift a fwd you fuck. fwd's understeer and/or snap oversteer because the back wheels are useless. Don't talk about driving when you've never driven kid.

Hitting the brakes while understeering is the worst thing you can do. Fuck me.

It's actually hilarious that the Initial D sequel makes this car out to be something amazing. The author really shows his fanboy-ism.

>You can't drift a fwd you fuck.
youtube.com/watch?v=CwykUV9bed0

Yes you can. When you say stupid shit like "FWD can't drift" you look so fucking stupid because you know nothing.

>Hitting the brakes while understeering is the worst thing you can do. Fuck me.

Understeering is literally turning less than expected, to regain traction you simply hit the brakes. You are fucking retarded

>enter a corner way too fast
Slow down to turn
>don't brake at all until its way too late
brake a bit early otherwise, it will understeer
>car actually oversteers at the last second.
Slow down

This happens to all cars. you silly fag.

I was talking about the webm in question, everything you said that guy in the video didn't do

There is nothing in the definition of drifting that says only RWD cars can do it

>Drifting is a driving technique where the driver intentionally oversteers, with loss of traction in the rear wheels or all tires, while maintaining control and driving the car through the entirety of a corner. Car drifting is caused when the rear slip angle is greater than the front slip angle, to such an extent that often the front wheels are pointing in the opposite direction to the turn (e.g. car is turning left, wheels are pointed right or vice versa, also known as opposite lock or counter-steering).

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drifting_(motorsport)

Best car for the new price of 25k, get fucked shitposters

yeah it understeers anyway.

lmao no

fwd "drifting" is not drifting. It's making the rear end kick out and waiting for it to swing back. You can't hold a drift with a fwd. I don't care how many definitions or lunch tray videos you show me. I've driven and drifted every drive train layout.

If you people do actually drive which I doubt... I'm sorry you spent $30k on a souped up fwd grocery getter. Have fun with that "400whp with just a tune" torquesteer bullshit.

Nice argument dummy, you gonna suggest the shitty Civic si?

>Its not drifting because I said so

>you can't hold a drift in a FWD car
the guy in the video held one all the way around the track and kept up with the BMW

>I don't care how wrong I am, I say its not drifting because I AM THE SUPREME AUTHORITY

cheaper and faster than the frs

with a better interior, tires, sound system and everything

You forgot ugly,FWD,has a shitty engine,understeers like crazy,has little aftermarket. There's a reason "sports cars" aren't FWD. What you suggest is a civic wirh an eBay turbo

>shitty engine
the K24 and K15 turbo are way better than the fucking FA20
>little aftermarket
civic si's have been around since 1984 and people have been making aftermarket for them since then. The aftermarket is fucking huge.

>memes and opinions
thats really all you have, thats how clueless you are. You're like an expert on every car you've never driven

Because the turns are 20 feet apart. If a fwd can't do a dounut it sure as shit can't drift.

A FWD could do a doughnut, the only thing that needs to happen is the slip angle on the rear has to be less than on the front. Thats literally it, its the same for RWD

youtube.com/watch?v=bPRsreUYcog

FWD cars can do donuts

It's not the same engines as before, people preferred those previous. And FA engine has proven to be reliable even with FI. I'm sure the 86 would be right up your ally if it had the same cheap turbo
I drove a 2013 SI, since that's what I was initially getting. It was boring to drive even when beating the piss out of it, I'll take the RWD with better responsive steering

>It's not the same engines as before,
The 2015 uses a K24 and the new civic Si engine is the MHI TD03 9-vane turbocharger

>I drove a 2013 SI, since that's what I was initially getting. It was boring to drive even when beating the piss out of it, I'll take the RWD with better responsive steering

Congrats you have an opinion, put it on your resume

>Congrats you have an opinion
Yes, I do before you mentioned how I'm an expert on car I've never driven. Just letting you know how the SI would've been a poor decision

lmao, the shitbox honda cannot control the drift, he goes off course everytime, therr is no way for him to tandem close as he is relying on a powerslide.

how the fuck old are you 9?

>making wild conjecture about someone doing something them claimed was impossible in the first place
>Calling someone else 9

>I drove it I swear
>see this is my opinion, its irrefutable
as you spew memes and nonsense yea you sure have an opinion worth mentioning.

You are fucking retarded, he can simply not drive that line and his rears won't touch the kerbs

>relying on power slide
who fucking cares its a drift by definition.

First its
>Only RWD can drift
>gets proven wrong
>FWD can't drift
>gets proven wrong
>well it can't do a doughnut
>gets proven wrong
>WOW HES GOING OFF THE TRACK A LITTLE BIT THAT DOESNT COUNT

This whole argument is like when the short bus has stopped alongside on the stoplight and you see downies and autists flinging shit at each other.

...

Only a fucking idiot or Arab would defend fwd drifting.

his front tires go off after he adjusts his line.

there has never been a fwd in FDGP, FDNZ, or FDUSA, not to mention any of the pro am series. FWD cars can not drift. They can powerslide. powersliding is not controlled oversteer.

fucking dumb faggot honda fan bois.
go back to playing need for speed and jerking it to trap porn. when you graduate middle school you only have a few years of waiting before drivers training. good luck homofags.

Then why in the fuck are you arguing with an idiot or an Arab and bring yourself to their level, tard.

I find it funny that ppl have irrational hatred towards these cars.

This car seriously needs an extra 30% HP. I drove it, it is good, but has potential to be great

>his front tires go off after he adjusts his line.
ok who cares

>there has never been a fwd in FDGP, FDNZ, or FDUSA, not to mention any of the pro am series. FWD cars can not drift. They can powerslide. powersliding is not controlled oversteer.
ok who cares none of that proves its not drifting at all. None of it pertains to what it is in principle. RWD isn't what drifting is about in principle.

Its oversteer which is merely the propensity of a car to turn more than expected.

You probably think wings don't help FWD cars too or some retarded shit

>ITT civic autist made this thread in hopes to bash the 86
>He ends up sperging out letting others know they have no experience with FWD
It's like he shot himself in the foot

so much fail in this post.

you care lol.

all of the sanctioned drift rules/events/bodies/info does prove it, so does the way the cars are built and operate. FWD slides, they do not drift. they can not sustain nor correct their shitty slide, midslide. therefore they are not drifting. love how you're changing your narrative to principle which is still wrong lol. middle school homework all finished and mommies letting you shitpost on Veeky Forums?

when you're old enough to touch the pedals, please go try and "drift a fwd" i love rekt videos. who knows, maybe youll get youtube famous like lil peep after you crash into a wall and die.

i can only hope so much.

>all of the sanctioned drift rules/events/bodies/info does prove it,
clearly not.

>they do not drift
I've shown you countless examples of that being false. RWD has nothing to do with what drifting means in principle. All it means is a controlled oversteer where the rear slip angle is less than the front slip angle. Thats it, there are no rules or definitions to "It must be an RWD" because AWD cars certainly drift around rally corners all the time.

>they can't maintain it
sure they can, they can maintain it all day. The fact that they can oversteer, lose traction on the rear wheels and even do fucking doughnuts proves they can hold and maintain a drift.

Nothing you said is correct at all.

you are an absolute retard.

youtube.com/watch?v=l8e3CS95KQM
Heres some FWD rally cars drifting
youtube.com/watch?v=aQ7m51S4M6Y
another compilation
there are tons of examples dude.

see
There is NOTHING about "it needs to be RWD" to drift. Literally the only things you need is oversteer and greater slip angle on the rear than the front.

Now do it in the dry.

The trolling is strong in this thread

Get a bottle of Mylanta, same color

ok this guy did

FRS posts have been shit post generals since the day they are announced.

For FRS drivers they are already used to shit, so shit posts don't phase them.

For everyone else, it's their favorite car to make fun of so they all pile in.

I'm seriously convinced that most of the "lol slow" criticisms toward cars like the Miata and Toyobaru come from midwesterners who've never seen a curved road and whose idea of enthusiast driving is just mashing the gas pedal on the freeway

No, it's OP trying to justify his Civic purchase over a competitor

Its the 240SX all over again, a competent RWD corner carver with just enough power to be enjoyable.

This board fucking blows. Half of being a car enthusiast, especially when it comes to sports cars and sport compact cars, is tuning and modification. Arguing over meaningless baseline power is bullshit, this board could be constructive and have numerous threads about tuning options but jo, you faggots are addicted to trolling. Get a fucking life.

As a pretty happy Toyobaru owner, my first beef if with the torque dip, but it really does scream for even just a modest power bump.

Most anything you could get in to and decide it would be even better with more power, but this feels like base engine trim were it's "plenty of fun anyway" that should have a bigger engine trim that hits the "das it mayne" threshold more regularly. Just a bit more of a push in the seat and tear away feeling on tap, not highway pull monster or anything.

Look at this loser having a meltdown.

So, uh, can you please leave and stop making the same BRZ threads every single fucking day?

Nigger I don't even own a toybaru much less post these threads, I just am tired of seeing the same fucking repetitive trolling every day.

nigger, are you actually retarded? and dont say silly ever again, fag

put some decent tires on an frs and a civic si wont be faster around a road course. you'll need to do it eventually because if you take the frs to the track, youll kill the prius tires in about 4 track days anyways. at least thats how long it took me. good tire to learn on so go ahead and drive it on track if you're new, it's just not terribly durable or sticky.

The problem with FWD is that while on paper it might be faster (similar crank HP numbers, less drivetrain loss) but you're asking only 2 tires to do all of the work, and the ones that unload under acceleration to boot, it's a recipe for understeer city. compared to something with RWD where the work load is split between 4 wheels instead and the driven wheels are the ones that take load under acceleration, its preferable. This is the very same reason that Nissan FWD LMP GTR failed.

That was 5 hours ago. Let it go sperg