/sthg/ - Sonic the Hedgehog General

It's already in the OP

I wouldn't hate the idea

I hope you meant Sonic 3 Complete, because that's what they won't improve.

S3 complete would big to differ.

Nope, Sonic 4's zones are nothing worth revisiting.

After the ending of Episode II, it's safe to assume Sonic 4 is forever tainted. It'll remain canon, but the Sonic timeline is a split one like Zelda depending on the ending of S3&K:

No Emeralds: Angel Island sinks, Knuckles becomes a nomad, leads into Sonic 4 and the post-06 games
All Chaos Emeralds: Adventure series
All Super Emeralds: Era of Mania and good games

He means the Taxman versions

Mania IS Sonic 4 ya dink. I don't care what that Dimps shit claims to be, but it aint Sonic 4.

>Sonic timeline is split
But it's literally not.

Mostly cause their just retelling of older levels. It's basically, Sonic 1 with a homing attack.

not him but what does S3C do differently enough to warrant it as better than S3&K?

Because it doesn't exist anymore. His headcanon is a nice way to compensate.

>Franchise has a bunch of timeline shifts from many games
>Not having split timelines

Now whether those games are in separate timelines is a whole other question.

It's literally options

>Option to change the music back to Sonic 3 tracks
>Option to change the music to the PC version
>Option to change physics and gameplay to anything from the Classic games including Sonic 1 and its speed cap
>Option to put Flying Battery back between Carnival Night and Ice Cap like originally intended
>Option to change Sonic's sprite to something more like 2

There's some graphical fixes too and I didn't list everything the hack does, but really S3C is the autistic Sonic fan's S3&K

user, I think it's much easier to say all main Sonic games took place in the same timeline, than say the series has 3 timeline splits

Yes, and?

You can improve that spliting Knuckles/Tails and their super transformation sprites

It also includes 3, Knuckles, and the Blue Spheres separately, if you're into that sort of thing.

My point is that I just don't see the point in the series having 3 timeline splits. Not trying to start an argument, but that's just my opinion.

What are your thoughts on ShadAmy?

Literally a contrarian ship. Probably mostly done for people who want to self-insert as one or the other. Amy would never abandon her hero and Shadow has no chemistry with her to begin with

Meh. While I sorta get the appeal, I don't really care for it at all.. It is fun bantering with the ShadAmyfags in this general, tho

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> Shadow has no chemistry with her to begin with

Actually false.

>BACK!!!!!

Eh, it's alright but not something I'd lose my head over.

>Shadow has a good relationship with Amy in the games

>Shadow hates Amy for no reason at all in the comics

Stupid as fuck, 2bh. it's especially funny because I remember talking to one of the comic writers about this pairing and they entertained the idea more than SonAmy

How so? They've only interacted a small handful of times in the games.

Shadow x Blaze is better

The music is great in pretty much all of them.

Splash Hill could be different from (and better than) Green Hill if they follow the concept of having more focus on water.
Also, it's not like you're complaining about Emerald Hill, Hill Top and even Aquatic Ruin (the upper path at least), even though they're just more Green Hill-like zones.

Casino Street would be a bit boring because it's literally just Casino Night, but Casino Night is good, so it's not really a problem. If I had to cut out some level, I'd choose this one.

I'd also cut Lost Labyrinth, unless they manage to do something good with light.

Mad Gear is the most original zone in Episode 1 so I'd keep it.
It could also be moved near the end of the game.

E.G.G. Station is just a stupid boss run, either remove it or move it near the end of the game. And if it has to be kept, make the bosses do something different.

All of the Episode 2 zones are fine. Not completely original, but still not too bad.

After this, the new levels would start. Let's say they are at least 4 completely original zones. If you never knew the original Sonic 4 episodes, would you really hate a Sonic 4 that plays like the originals and starts off with 2 or 3 unoriginal zones, proceeds with 4 semi-original zones and ends with at least 4 completely new zones and the usual industrial-themed zone?

Only chemistry they could have would be Amy trying to help Shadow not be such a bitch, tbqh.

Ehhh. They've had such little interactions in the games that I wouldn't really say they have a good relationship.

That's true but I wouldn't say they have no chemistry with each other. Their personalities work together. Young naive open minded girl and older mature broody guy

I admit it's autism and will never happened since people seem legitimately repulsed by it but it's fun to think about out of boredom

And you wonder why you get bullied often by your creator and your "brothers", Beta.

I know any ship-posting involving Shadow is just fun and games but remember that in the end he's still asexual and aromantic.

That's not really chemistry, those are just personalities and traits. Chemistry would require the two actually working off of each other in the context of the story

Shadow only really interacts with Amy in SA2 and Shadow, and both are so brief that it doesn't build either case. Shadow has more chemistry with Omega

*happen

I always thought SEGA was going to make ShadAmy a thing at first but then changed their minds. I recall some fans over 10 years ago mentioning this, maybe something an official source said. I do think it's cute how Amy's level in Shadow The Hedgehog is called "Miracle of Love" though

You're right, he is a romantic.

True so we just have to go off traits and real-life relationship patterns. SonAmy has more evidence staked in their favor for a canon shipping but ShadAmy provides an interesting contrast from the little detail revealed. I hope they do go further with Shadow and Amy's interactions one day and expand upon that, whether it be platonic or some hints of something romantic it doesn't matter.

Even if this is a shitpost, I don't think that's a bad idea. It's less obnoxious as long as you aren't trying to force it. But really that's the problem with a lot of headcanons is sometimes they're forced too hard

That's one of the myriads of route combinations where you go true villain until Amy and then go true hero. But Shadow was kind of a clusterfuck to begin with

You're not exactly wrong, but I believe the proper phrase would be "they could have chemistry."

Eh. People have said this about everyone of their OTPs. I've seen people say "an official source said Sonic DOES love Amy," or that "Knuckles & Rouge are in love," etc.

Personally speaking, I prefer Sonic/Amy, but Shadow & Amy having some kind of platonic relationship is fine with me.

It seems very unlikely these days since Sega looks like they want to try and take the series back to its Classic roots, which is why we've been seeing significantly more Badniks, classic Eggman mechs and the main four and significantly less Shadow, Rouge, Omega and other Post-Shadow cliches

I think what Shadow would see in Amy is what he would see in Maria for the most part. So it depends what people think Shadow sees in Maria

I hope Shadow keeps being completely indifferent and doesn't react to Amy at all.

>ShadAmy provides an interesting contrast from the little detail revealed
As far as the games are concerned, the evidence for ShadAmy is next to nonexistent to begin with. You could make a better argument for Shadow x Rouge or even Shadow x Omega based on their interactions with each other. What makes ShadAmy so special here?

Well with Forces, it seems like SEGA's slowly bringing some of the stuff the post-Classic era was known for, so I could see Team Dark, Blaze etc. slowly coming back into the spotlight over the next few years.

my absolute nigga

Amy glomping the new hedgehog of the day (Shadow, Silver, Werehog) was kind of cute. Shame she probably won't glomp Infinite.

I would like it, it bothers me that the title of sonic 4 was wasted.

recreate episode 1 and 2 from scratch, the downside being more rehashed zones from ep 1.

also create the equivalent of episodes 3 and 4, maybe 3 would feature Amy and have a CD feel, while episode 4 would have knuckles and be the finale.

to sum up:
episode 1 - the sonic 1/2 rehash
episode 2 - keep the tails gimmick, I would trust the team to do it better
episode 3 - the new one with Amy replacing Tails as a partner
episode 4 - the second new one with knuckles as the partner

as for story elements.

episode 3 is where littlebig planet gets saved
and episode 4 could have something to do with super-emeralds, perhaps their overcharging and causing natural disasters and so sonic and tails ask knuckles to use the master emerald to calm them down. Thus giving a reason as to why we don't see the super emeralds in the modern era. I see it as a bridge between classic and modern. Mania (and hopefully more to come) being set in between 3&K and 4.

Maybe it's because they know Sonic Team can't pander like Taxman and Headcannon can so the series might be forced to try new things instead of nostalgiafag. I personally wouldn't mind it, Sonic's been just Sonic for too fucking long. If I want Classic Sonic I want more Mania and not more Colors or 4

Which really is the best way to handle it. Shame about Classic looking like dogshit in Forces

Because good girls always go with bad boys in the end, duh

wasn't blaze's concept art based off shadow's first concept art "terios" or something?

You do realize they did Episodes because Sonic the Portable was too short and they wanted a saving throw in-case people bitched Sonic 4 wasn't as long as the actual Classics? Episode II clearly wasn't planned and actually was the "start" of a cancelled plot

Fuck Episodes, just make real games

She might be retarded enough to try.

>Generations Classic loops looks organic, has proper rock textures while still keeping the checkerboards
>Forces Classic is just a vaguely 2.5D carbon copy of the original
Are they even trying anymore?

>not posting the grin

but Knuckles and Rouge have obvious sexual tension.

Yo, thanks man.
Anatomy is my weakest point, yeah, need to learn how an arm works.

But thanks, if it gets a chuckle out of at least one person I'm happy.

>but Knuckles and Rouge have obvious sexual tension.
In Sonic X they did. Not so much anymore.

Men of Taste

i should said they should release it as one big game, I hate episodic releases too.

they would be more like chapters.

call it sonic 4: complete or Sonic 4: saga Edition

Actually, I'll correct myself. Sylvania Castle and White Park are actually quite original. And Sky Fortress isn't original at all.

3 (or 4) unoriginal zones, 3 (or 2) semi-original zones and at least 6 original zones

Nice, but it would be better if they were combined in one game.

Classic in Forces is an afterthought, so they're clearly not trying with him. Unless it looks better in later versions.

That's because Rouge a slut! A SLUT!

Maybe when he's turned good in the end somehow and warms up to the whole "superpower of teamwork" thing, she'll do it. Thus begins a new age of Amy x Infinite shipping.

>Forces looks like a PS2 game when compared to Generations

my dude

looks like ian is on some superhero project with Archie. So... he's still at Archie.

Does that mean he can't got to IDW?!?

To be fair to Classic Forces, it at least looked better at E3.

Ian's a freelancer, so no. He did shit with IDW while still doing the Sonic comic.

I guess if it used sprites that would be better, but I'd definitely have to wipe my memory of Episode 1 because it disgusts me on so many levels.

I think it might be meant to imply that this Classic Sonic is from an alternate dimension that's more 3D but it just looks awful. That or the Sonic Team designers learned fucking nothing from Lost World looking like trash too

The level as a whole is also pretty bad. Springs everywhere, tons of flat stretches of land with badniks placed in straight lines. It doesn't look fun at all compared to Generations

Eh, call it something else by that point. 4 is clearly tainted, Episode II was obviously intended to be a Sonic 2/CD sequel and it's such a bad one. At least we got a new Metal Sonic theme so they don't have to milk Bad Future Stardust Speedway anymore

Sylvania Castle is Aquatic Ruin+Marble Garden, and Aquatic Ruin was Neo Green Hill Zone. In that regard I thought it was clever and interesting, but wasted for such a shit game. Probably because of Episode I's backlash they were forced to actually try and be original. A shame the Tails partner mechanic kind of made the game less fun

Knuckles Loves Rouge AND YOU ALL KNOW IT!

*2D, not 3D. I gotta review my posts more thoroughly before posting

knuckles rapped "die i dont love you" to that bat girl

I wouldn't say they haven't learned, but Iizuka did mention that Forces is gonna go for a mix of Lost World & Generations in terms of visual style. I don't agree with it, but I guess it's them trying to combine the "cartoony" style of Lost World, with the detailed look of Gens. But yeah, that level is still not good.

"Give up the emerald or die, I don't love you."

Let's see here.
One time villain
TWO time villain
One time villain
And one time villain

I should also mention that nobody would hate Sonic 4 if it was still called Sonic the Portable. The game isn't inherently shit, just clearly intended as mobile game filler. That said I'm baffled they thought 3 Acts was a good idea when most of them barely have gimmicks to fill 2

Which is a shame because Lost World's cartoony aesthetic is so bad and unfitting for Sonic. It's a downgrade from the Classic games or even the realistic interpretations from Generations. Yet at the same time I can't wait to see how they fuck up Chemical Plant

Isn't Hunnid-P out of jail now? We need more Knuckles raps these days.

>mobile game filler
That sounds pretty bad to me.

How could you forget about Sonic 4: Episode 2?

Shadow is faster than Sonic.

>I should also mention that nobody would hate Sonic 4 if it was still called Sonic the Portable. The game isn't inherently shit, just clearly intended as mobile game filler.
This.

Yes, but not nearly as bad as taking it and deciding to call it "Sonic 4". That's the worst part.

So /sthg/ would you?

If I count Generations where both he and Shadow are a one and done deal, then clearly Shadow would have a two count.
So I'm counting CD and Episode 2 because he is the main threat. Any others?

Yes.

Would I what?

Is Shadow faster than Blaze though?

I'm pretty sure he's been out for a while now. But I mean come one, dude's a fucking clown. You can literally get any rapper to do the same thing, bonus points if he isn't a felon.

Heroes and Free Riders

Heroes. And if you count Generations then you should increase Chaos too. Counting Sonic 4 was a joke, it'd be like counting Sonic Runners.

Scratch her ears and give her some celery and carrots? Absolutely.
Then take her mom to pound town.

I'm still going buy the idea that all of these guys are brainwashed. Really Metal and Zavok are the only two that still hate Sonic. Shadow is just tsundere and IIRC Chaos became good after Adventure

>Heroes
I fucking forgot about that. Then again, the reason you forget is because he didn't do crap until he became some weird metal dragon thing, and then still didn't do shit.
>Not counting 4, but counting Riders
He was probably at his best in 4, even got a fucking fantastic new theme, which I enjoy a lot more.