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>Where is NHTSA on this?

unfortunately (like so many us agencys) they can only release reports and facts which companies then either dismiss, bury or ignore. They have no real teeth.

>What about the insurance companies?

I hope that the insurance companies dont drink the kool-aid and make low rates for these deathtraps because "hoomans are the cause of all accidents". If they are smart, they will refuse to insure or make the insurance astronomical.

Local government better get cracking suing whoever insured that car for the cost of the damage to the fire truck as well as the emergency response and clean up.

Tesla can decide whether or not to fire the programmers.

His insurance would pay.

>Local government better get cracking suing whoever insured that car for the cost of the damage

But the driver, like the rest of us, were lead to believe that the car would not need human input when in "self driving mode". The fact that that was not true and that the company is now saying the opposite makes it only fair that tesla bears the full responsibility for the damage.

I suppose the driver in turn could sue Tesla for misleading advertising or whatever. Gotta go up the command chain.

Thats still not fair. lawsuits are a long and arduous process and shouldnt be the burden of just the misinformed and cheated driver. The city should sue tesla for the accident damage while the driver sues ONLY for personal injury and the insurance sues for the cost of the claim on the car.

Sure it's fair. The idiot driver made a choice to think he'd be fine sitting in an automated death box. Was he mislead? If the courts decide it's fair, they can throw all of the costs on Tesla.

How difficult is is to understand the "keep your hands on the fucking wheel"?

"Its called Autopilot hurr"
So thats why pilots are not needed anymore and can sleep the while flight because they have an autopilot aswell

I understand they've replaced the throttle controls in commercial airliners with levers that cause the "brandy bay door" to open with two glasses of expensive brandy ready to be shared.

>Sure it's fair. The idiot driver made a choice to think he'd be fine sitting in an automated death box.

let me put it this way, if I sold you a new kind of apple that I had not truly tested for edibility but had poked and prodded it in a lab and figured it was good enough, and you ate that apple and got sick because I implicitly told you that the apple was good to eat, is it not my fault for misleading you? Should you have to fight me about this?

In this case the FDA would chase me for your compensation. same should be for this Tesla situation

They want that same tech in cars with no wheel

wired.com/story/gm-cruise-self-driving-car-launch-2019/

I'd rather the courts have a look at how to distribute the blame rather than a federal agency. You might have been a moron for buying what was obviously a bad apple. The apple vendor might be to blame for being stupid trying to sell it. The agency might be to blame for not warning customers about apples it hasn't tested independently.

I'm glad the motorcyclist is suing. What kind of driver goes halfway through a lane change then swerves back in the original? It's also good to point out that with a fully automated cars like these, it'll be your word vs corporations.

Tesla has their asses covered. They say the driver has to be attentive

>I'd rather the courts have a look at how to distribute the blame rather than a federal agency.

Sure, but Im saying that it should not be the burden of 1 misinformed consumer to fight this out. This is why we have these agencies to uphold consumer protection. Weather that fight is through the courts or a government review panel.

Fine by me. It reverts back to the insurance company being yet another 3rd party making a decision about whether this is a good idea or not, which I understand them to have built their entire profit model around being good at doing.

I would also like to point out that GM is already cutting corners on the FUCKING SENSORS

>It bought its own lidar manufacturer: Strobe, a Pasadena-based outfit GM thinks could cut sensor costs (a big problem, especially for lidar) by 99 percent.

Insurance in Europe has offered discounts for having autopilot. This crash is going to be 100% pinned on the driver. Reap what you sow smug Tesla driver

I don't know if he was misinformed or just stupid. Perhaps some nice pro bono legal team would like to step up to the plate here.

Hell, you could say the state ought to consider this rather than the federal government.

I would love to see where this and "must keep hands on wheel" are written on the owners manual. $20 says that it is written very misleading and makes the driver think its ok to let the car do its own thing

>Hell, you could say the state ought to consider this rather than the federal government.

no, you want the feds on this. look what happened when we let commiefornia do their own thing? their vehicle regulations are RETARDED and selfserving

>Insurance in Europe has offered discounts for having autopilot.

you also accepted widespread cctv and in car blackboxes. your not well known for good public decisions

It's called balance of powers. That's why I initially suggested that the local government, being the direct party involved in the incident, be the one to do the suing. I don't want the federal government being retarded at everybody any more than I want the sate of California being retarted at me.

I understand your point, but the Feds are really the best equipped to pursue something like this on behalf of the consumer considering they have the jurisdiction and authority of the TSB, DOT and NHTSA. They would also be able to implement blanket recommendations to congress more effectively

>congress
I wish the the insurance companies would decide how much they get paid.

>I wish the the insurance companies would decide how much they get paid.

that, or give them back the power that the executive branch took from them a long time ago to actually enact change and not just endlessly convene committees and propose changes for the president to strike down with impunity.

Reminder that Elon Musk is a Bond villain.

>Buying into sensationalist articles

Autopilot was probably off, I think of all tesla crashes blamed on autopilot were proven to be wrong, except the one involving a white truck.

Anyways, if the autopilot was proven to be wrong, it would probably be extremely rare statistically speaking, so nothing to worry about.

>I think of all tesla crashes blamed on autopilot were proven to be wrong

your going to have to prove that and I will ONLY accept TSB reports, Shill.

if you have to keep your hands on the wheel then what is the point of autopilot, they should be free to sell a car with autopilot but if it causes a crash then the company should be held responsible

Not sure where this meme came from.

Tesla cars don't force you to hold the wheel. If you test drive a tesla they even tell you to let go. Mercedes has the exact same technology but there's sensors in the steering wheel that you have to hold onto. Put is easily bypassed by wrapping tape around it.

How does the car even go where you want it to if you don't steer it at all? This is the most nonsensical thing ever.

Is it like calling a taxi, giving him your wallet, saying "I DON'T CARE" and locking yourself in the trunk?

It uses the GPS. So new Teslas want you to grab thew wheel every 2 minutes but theres already vids on how to get around it by wedging an orange in the wheel.

youtube.com/watch?v=UgNhYGAgmZo

youtube.com/watch?v=Hl9y7v8UohM&t=103s

How the fuck is GPS supposed to know which way I want the car to go?

Get these busriders off the streets.

It'll follow the GPS route you set, are you retarded? There's even a feature where you hit a button on your key fob (or phone app) and the car will pull out of its parking spot and find you.

But that's completely different from the car going where I want. Ride the fucking bus or call a taxi you reject.

How's that different you mong?

Because I'm not in control of the car going where I want. What do you want me to do, log into the GPS and tell it I have to take a pee?

That's obviously you're fault for not planning properly. Why the fuck are people like you allowed to drive?

Because there's no law against us driving wherever we want, whether it be to the gas station, the government-provided rest stop, or the lane where there isn't a faggot fagging the road up, or even because there was a sign for the biggest ball of yarn in the US or a corn maze.

>dear car
>please get a hooker; bid price $25 stop out at $35
>make sure she's fed; use my linked McDonald's card
>take us to make-out point
>[x] extra $100 option for dumping her in the river if she makes me feel uncomfortable

But that's inefficient as fuck. Why would you not take a piss in a bottle while your car drives you autonomously?

The retard was probably texting and driving and now wants to blame it on "auto pilot".

Because I already have a hole cut in the seat so I can piss and shit like a trucker, and a canister of shoe polish for my face in case anybody anybody asks me wtf is wrong with me.

>TSB

fuck off canacuck.

nhtsa.gov/vehicle/2015/TESLA/MODEL%2520S%252070D/5%2520HB/AWD#investigations

>NHTSA’s examination did not identify any defects in the design or performance of the AEB or Autopilot systems of the subject vehicles nor any incidents in which the systems did not perform as designed. AEB systems used in the automotive industry through MY 2016 are rear-end collision avoidance technologies that are not designed to reliably perform in all crash modes, including crossing path collisions. The Autopilot system is an Advanced Driver Assistance System (ADAS) that requires the continual and full attention of the driver to monitor the traffic environment and be prepared to take action to avoid crashes. Tesla's design included a hands-on the steering wheel system for monitoring driver engagement. That system has been updated to further reinforce the need for driver engagement through a "strike out" strategy. Drivers that do not respond to visual cues in the driver monitoring system alerts may "strike out" and lose Autopilot function for the remainder of the drive cycle.NHTSA’s examination did not identify any defects in the design or performance of the AEB or Autopilot systems of the subject vehicles nor any incidents in which the systems did not perform as designed. AEB systems used in the automotive industry through MY 2016 are rear-end collision avoidance technologies that are not designed to reliably perform in all crash modes, including crossing path collisions. The Autopilot system is an Advanced Driver Assistance System (ADAS) that requires the continual and full attention of the driver to monitor the traffic environment and be prepared to take action to avoid crashes. Tesla's design included a hands-on the steering wheel system for monitoring driver engagement. That system has been updated to further reinforce the need for driver engagement through a "strike out" strategy.

>oy vey [no citatons] (((it was all pure coincidence)))
LEAFS BTFO

Also pay your update tax

Forgot to mention, its the investigation related to the tesla that crashed into a white trailer, the driver was probably jerking off and failed to grab the wheel or even react. Driver was at fault, but tesla updated the autopilot system anyways to avoid jerk offs from killing themselves and once again, interfering with natural selection.

We should put signs on them, such as with slow triangles on agricultural tractors or if you a red rag to designate something that extends beyond the boundaries of your vehicle.

It already got canned in certain parts of yurop because it couldn't see filtering motorcyclists. Sometimes it even ignored motorcyclists entirely and moved a lane over, into them

>bid price $25 stop out at $35

stops are for sales, you want a limit order for your whore.

bid $24, ask $26, limit $35.

>Advanced Driver Assistance System
the company can call it what they like to cover their ass but we both know that this is NOT what it was marketed as.

what's the point of this thread. the tech is still in its infancy and we don't know the details of the accident. expect these reports for the next few years because evolution takes time.

>what's the point of this thread. the tech is still in its infancy

but its not. companies want to roll this shit out onto streets NOW and its clearly not safe.

>we don't know the details of the accident

the article clearly states the details. the auto pilot hit a big fucking bright red fire truck with flashing lights that was PARKED.

>expect these reports for the next few years

I do, and hopefully people call for banning this garbage idea loud enough for companies to listen

Can someone explain how it's even possible the cameras/sensors didn't see the fucking massive red block of metal parked in front of it? Did the sensors just fucking break or something?

they are probably cheap chinese garbage to save money for when musk disappears like every good ponzi scammer

Fire trucks have Romulan cloaking technology.

>tfw musk blamed the space x rocket blowing up on aliens and people believed
>mfw if he said this muskrats would probably believe him too

My only guess is it was a sunny as fuck day and firetrucks are shiny and chrome.

Do the Tesla people themselves not ever actually drive? That's kind of why you wind up using sun glasses very often, preferably polarized.

>even brighter and more visible
>still cant see shit

teslafags be crying in the corner

I think this is probably the best explanation, but even then, how the fuck would none of the engineers think of this possibility? Cars literally have sun visors built into them because a few hours every day the sun is going to be pointing directly at oncoming traffic.

Sensors have a limit on the light they see. The shiny truck might have flooded the sensor with pure light and couldn't detect any objects.

I understand what he means. Sometimes he doesn't want to go where he wants to go. Not everyone has a job to get to.

and people still think that these things are OK to allow to control a car on public roads?

no damage done there desu, death to all 2 wheel scum

signs on what? trailers or teslas?

Trailers are already pretty obvious. I'm saying warning signs or a special light or something on any vehicle that is driving itself to alert other drivers that it might not react in the usual ways you'd expect a human to react.

Why do we have to spend millions, maybe billions changing infrastructure and laws so retarded autonomous cars can drive? Already it's recommended that all street paint should be turned white because it's easiest for computers to read.

Oh I meant the rest of us stay the same. If autobot car people want to put their autobot cars on the road, then the autobot car people can pay the cost to make it clear to the rest of us that there's an autobot to watch out for.

this makes me like AI more

or ban that shit and if these people dont want to drive to work they can take the bus. problem solved

I'm open to that as well. I like to try to lean libertarian (I'm the kind of guy who would remind you that you only need a driver's license when the state owns the car) but there's always room to debate what to do about things that present a danger to the public at large.

>there's always room to debate what to do about things that present a danger to the public at large.

this should legitimately be the ONLY function of government

>dipshit biker with no respect for anyone’s life, least of all his own, pulls a retarded stunt
>this is somehow GM’s fault

Bikers are cancer.