How do you survive as an aut/o/ enthusiast in your country?
What car or motorcycle do you drive? How much do you pay in road tax (motorrijtuigenbelasting?) How much is the APK? How much is the insurance?
Also if you ride a bike, how expensive are motorcycle lessons?
I already know how to ride, so it would just be the road behavior stuff. I never bothered to get a license in my country.
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Currently contemplating whether I should get a cheap old car (pre 1978) to avoid road tax. I wouldn't really use it all that much. I'd commute by motorcycle.
t. random dude who end up in your country by accident
You just have to like shitboxes, like me. I'm 18 and saving up for a car right now, but even if I get something that isn't even fast like a E36 323i sedan I will get fucked by insurance. Think I might get a cheap shitbox as first car since I'm such a shit driver that I'll probably crash it anyway. Looking for RWD though so probably something like a Opel Omega or Ford Sierra which are both hilariously cheap. When you get older insurance isn't that bad, for an older car you could go with less than 500 a year if you check well. But actual taxes aren't that bad, between 500 a year for econobox and 2000 a year for a heavy SUV. APK is pretty much a non-issue since you can pay some Romanian 20 bucks to let you pass.
Kayden Ramirez
Well, I mean road tax isn't bad. Taxes on new cars are trough the roof, Subaru WRX STi in the Netherlands is literally double as expensive as in Belgium due to road tax. Same for Mustang etc. And this is reflected in second hand car prices of course. But road tax etc not too bad
Gabriel Russell
>Taxes on new cars are trough the roof, Subaru WRX STi in the Netherlands is literally double as expensive as in Belgium due to road tax. That's BPM, or CO2/emissions tax. Only applies to new cars, which is why there's so many fucking Aygos/C1s/107s on the road around here. And Teslas, since EVs don't have to pay any road tax at all and don't get shafted by any additional taxes new other than 21% BTW/VAT.
Carson James
I commute to my uni by bike. Alot of professors do as well, pic related, most of the R1200gs in there are from physicians and professors (med student here)
I have pirelli angel GT tyres which warm up nicely, have very devent mileage lifetime, and all around gud grip. Grip warmers are noice for warm and toasty hands. I tend to ride as long as its above -5. Obviously not if there's snow or black ice or that shit but NL has comfy all year round weather. Filtering is allowed and encouraged, just don't be a retard and go full speed between the lanes. People in cars tend to be social. If one fucks up while you're filtering, just wait for a sec, they'll apologize with the hand wave thingie 99% of the time. Don't go full snowcat on car people, that gives fellow bikers a bad name.
Road taxes are standard 10 bucks er month for all bikes. I have 7 years without claims so my insurance is realy cheap, like 14 euros for all risk.
Bikes do not have the apk or annual check, hence so many straight piped or decatted bikes.
I spent 1100 on my license but I already had a car license and dirt bike experience.
Cars though? You will fuggin BLEED if you want anything nice. We have a co2 luxury tax, which for example makes the mustang GT cost 120k+. Sub 2L cars aren't too bad. I only import cars though, I don't buy them here. My father in law has a one man company and uses a tax loophole to drive a fuckhueg F150 on LPG. Lpg is 60 cents per kg or so, road tazes are only 50 bucks per 3 months due to the loophole. Lpg and diesel cars cost quite a penny in road taxes, especially the heavier ones
Dylan Cox
Yes registration tax on new cars is based on co2 emissions:
Veeky Forumstist better import a used car from another country within the EU into NL, you'll be able to get lower registration tax (article 10).
Logan Thomas
Whoa, biking is THAT much cheaper? I was discouraged from getting a bike and license because DDing a bike is guaranteed to go wrong someday according to all the Americlaps here, but shit, this seems so worth it, both for money and for speed. Not to mention how attractive decatting is. Is being a biker here safe enough to DD it?
Benjamin Diaz
>americlaps Lmao m8 To be serious though, people here are more social in traffic, atleast where I live (Groningen). I always filter when I attend college, in 2 years so far I've only ever encountered some boomers, audi q5 cucks and trophy wives who try to block the path. Once I had a cop filtering behind me on a G800gs who fined that perspn lmao. Bike cops are total bros. Like I said, don't be retarded, don't sperg like snowcat, be kind and wave back, thank car owners for letting you pass if they make extra space. In my opinion audi a6 owners tend to be dadbros and most will make extra room even if you already have enough space. Just filter with 5-15 kph difference but no more.
Protip: watch out for elderly on E-bikes regardless of your vehicle, they are a fucking menace. I hit one once, by default the motor vehicle owner is supposed to be 100% liable but after some court shit I proved I did nothing wrong
Captcha right now fucking kek
Chase Murphy
>Groningen Wait, there are more of us here?
Tyler Long
I've met a total of 7 groninger Veeky Forumstists so far
Carter Ramirez
Thanks for the info, I'll seriously consider biking now I think. Sounds ideal in this motoring hellhole. I guess you do have a point with people being more social here, I always see bikes filtering and nobody minds. Personally I make some extra room too.
Noah Brooks
>How do you survive as an aut/o/ enthusiast in your country? By being rich >What car or motorcycle do you drive? R1150GS '99 Corolla compact >How much do you pay in road tax (motorrijtuigenbelasting?) €520/y (€400 car, €120 bike) >How much is the APK? I have no clue never had one, car is due in October, bought it a week after it had one. Bikes don't have checks. >How much is the insurance? €800/y (€600 car, €200 bike) >Also if you ride a bike, how expensive are motorcycle lessons? Around €50 a lesson with ease. >I already know how to ride, so it would just be the road behavior stuff. I never bothered to get a license in my country. That would be around €700 to get a license, how old are you?
Aaron Martin
driving anything remotely fast will cost you a fortune t. slow shitbox owner
Joseph Perry
Only because it's likely to be heavy (= lots of road tax) and drinks a lot of fuel, and if you're young it'll send your insurance through the roof.
Adrian Sanchez
how bad is the motorcycle insurance for a beginner? does it depend alot on what motorcycle you have? (old/new fast/slow)
Nolan Cooper
I pay just less than €200 a year. >25y/o >19y/o bike >85hp >new price €16K >only have an insurance for 3 years
Pretty good I would say
Carter Clark
Been to NL few times and wanted to ask Dutch guys, are small cars part of why Dutch has low birth rate? Lithuania probably has more minivans then Netherlands (2,8min vs 17mil pop). and is there any good speed camera apps? because I see ton speed cameras, but going on speed limit, almost everyone overtakes me by 20-30km/h and I saw you get a lot fines 9-10mil a year, so people don't give a fuck and pay fines or know when cameras are on and off?
also cute to see kids that can barely walk and already drive a Bicycle.
Brandon Cox
>are small cars part of why Dutch has low birth rate? No, high fuel prices and taxes are. You can still fit a family of 5 in a Toyota Aygo.
>and is there any good speed camera apps? Flitsmeister and they announce them on the radio. TomTomGo (and probably a lot of other satnav systems/programs) also knows about them.
>Approximately 40% of all serious and fatal motorcycle crashes in the Netherlands are single vehicle crashes
So if you don't drive like a dickhead you are already much safer than the statistics show.
Also don't ride a moped (look at the graphs on the bottom).
Luis Nguyen
>The largest group are the 40-49-year-old motorcyclists (almost 30%).
So like, those Sunday riders on their 1960s era bikes? Kind of makes sense.
>shit helmets >no other protection >drum brakes galore >old fart reactions >always with a pillion rider (their wife presumably) so always a 2 for 1 kind of deal
Luis King
25 y/o 7 claimless years Ride a 2010 dorsoduro 750, the one in the 4th post My all risk is 14-ish euro per month as of this year. Having a license for less than 5 years, or being below 25 y/o will result in being a risk so you'll pay quite some money for a newer bike's insurance. I started ot with a 97 ER-5 lmao, it was only 7 euros per month for liability. I'm looking at A license bikes now, their insurance rates vary quite some. The rice rocket 1L bikes are hefty compared to say, the 1290 Super Duke R even though the latter can do similar laptimes and has fuckhueg torks (144 Nm)
John Long
Fucking toothpastes
Isaac Russell
>aygo >5 Since when? I'm pretty sure all A segment tin cans are 4 seaters aside from that one opel car, the adam or karl? You point still stands though. We (dutch strongest man crew) frequently go from friesland to amsterdam in a 107. Sure it takes a long time to accelerate but it seems to seat 4 1.88m+ adults weighing between 90 and 130kg just fine
Caleb Ortiz
Huh, never knew biking was so safe here. I don't drive like a retard so that should help keep me out of the 40%. Thanks for the info.
Luke Allen
I thought they had 3 seatbelts in the back, thus able to accommodate a family of 5. I'm not saying 5 adults, unless you put a few euro's on the rear seat.
Christopher Miller
Any small city car can fit 5 people utilizing the Dutch concept of gezelligheid.
Dominic Rivera
>gezelligheid. Gierigheid
Parker White
dat vooral ja
Chase Peterson
I get what you mean bruhs but afaik there's only 2 seat belts in the back. Atleast, for the 2005-2014 gen of the 107/aygo/c1
^ that car, pic related is it's RDW information. It says 4 seats. Maybe it's just some edition or some model years, idk
Jackson Bell
I was wondering this too, currently saving up for my first bike and I'm planning on buying a brand new BMW s1000RR, anyone have experience with this bike and payments? I know that I have to pay 6-7k upfront and then I pay 250 a month for about 3 years for the rest but what are the insurance/tax/maintenance going to run on average per month?
Zachary Cook
>Toyota Aygo for 5 people that's not how it works
to fit family you need space for (if 5 seat) >seat 2 adults in front and 3 people with legs in back >pram and other baby stuff >baby seat (-1 seat) >kids backpacks, gym clothes and other kid stuff >your stuff >??? >and after all then you should have space for groceries and other things after shopping if no, then it's no a family car, but just a 5 seater.
in NL there a lot 4-5 seater cars, but almost 0 family cars. was impressed how comfy back seats are on newer cars compared to old cars, but in exchange they have 0 cargo space.
Isaac Wilson
>tax 10 eurobucks per month >insurance From laughably low to quite a penny. Age, area (postal code), claimless years, number of years with a license? >maintenance How much do you want to do yourself? Set aside 1k per year for regular maintenance. I do everything except valve clearance so it saves a little bit of cash. Factor in tyres, you can go from 2500 km per (rear) tyre all the way to 15k+
Also, >not buying an rsv4
Andrew Ramirez
Have you ever seen that girl in the white armour? She used to be a med student but now she is mostly at Zernike.
Mason Perez
>not being familiar with dutch greediness/frugality Lmao m8
Have people keep stuff on their lap such as their own shit and groceries Cram everything in the front passenger footwell
That is surprisingly normal here
Caleb Peterson
The one with black touring leather pants, mostly white leather jacket with a floral pattern, white floral helmet, blue ER5?
Blake Cook
There should be a car scene for frugal people.
I actually admire the frugality in budget cars/motorcycles.
Maybe I'm just weird though.
Bentley Barnes
I did not see her riding an ER5. But otherwise yes.
She is super super short and ginger, if we are talking about the same person.
Charles Williams
Hmm nah, the one I talked to was a 1.75m-ish dark blonde. 1.75m is still short in the north lmao.
Wyatt Thompson
One of my fellow med students, the absolute madman, has a 107 with a supercharger. Apparently it's a 5k kit that brings 0-100 kph down to 7 seconds, from 13.7 originally
Blake Johnson
OK we are talking about different people. This one is remarkably short ~155cm, just as short as those Indonesia girls. That why I commented about her. Even her tiny sports bike looked massive near her.
She is also 27 or 28 years old, by now.
Aiden Harris
Damn, that's pretty cheap, I expected atleast 5x that price for the taxes. This motivated me to start saving even more to get this bike already.
What about the RSV4 btw?
Eli Butler
Well all bikes have a standardized 10 eurobucks per month road tax, hence my post >What about the RSV4 btw? How about it absolutely shits on everything? Look up various reviews of the S1000RR, the front end seems vague even though it has good traction. It doesn't inspire rider confidence. The brakes as well seem to stay spongey, despite bleeding them multiple times. Its electronic package is amazing, that's for sure. Bonus on the rsv4 >that sound >muh dicc youtube.com/watch?v=q3WdxhXlLpc
Elijah Rogers
>How about it absolutely shits on everything? lol, gotta admit it does sound really good. Hmm, now your making me doubt my decision going to do some more research on the two. Much thanks for the info bro, enjoy your weekend, cheers!
Logan Russell
>that's not how it works Putting 7 kids on the back seat of a Skoda Favorit is how it goes here. If you can't move, you can't get hurt in a crash, right?
Zachary Hughes
>I expected atleast 5x that price for the taxes
From the perspective of the state, motorcycles are the best form of transport:
>no road wear >low emissions >no congestion in cities >don't take parking spaces >if they crash, they only harm themselves, most of the time
There is no reason to discourage motorcycle use. If anything there should be more people riding motorcycles. Then we would all be safer.
Cameron Brooks
Probably still safer than this.
Jonathan Mitchell
>a bag on the front instead of a 3rd child We can go bigger than this
Dominic Russell
it seems an older bike would be relatively cheap to insure, thanks
Ayden Cooper
How's that not safe? They are in seats! I use to get picked up by my grampa from school. Sis went on the baggage rack, I sat on the bar.
You can also get two on the back.
Jackson Sanders
>spending 5k in mods on a 107
Alexander White
Wees geen armflikker
Jayden Peterson
>not spending 5k in mods on a 107 to create an ungodly little sleeper shitbox
Jose Gonzalez
But it's still a 107
Tyler Morris
>spending 5K to make it as fast as a 3K golf
Michael Roberts
Mate I'm literally planning to buy a sub-1k Twingo and putting a tarbo on it/factory tarbo'd version of its stock engine in it just so it can have ~100hp. It's like you don't even shitbox life.
Gabriel Gutierrez
>tfw my equally old and shitty shitbox had 100hp from the factory
Christopher Hall
Post shitbox
I mean I could go out and buy a 115hp Passat or some shit from the same era for the same money (not a Golf GTI with the exact same drivetrain because fuck insuring anything with a GTI badge on it) but then it wouldn't be a tiny lightweight happy shitbox, it'd be a medium-sized mildly smug shitbox instead.
Jaxon Evans
She's not really a lightweight, but who doesn't like happy and curvy?
Adam Barnes
Cutest Corolla
Grayson White
>How do you survive as an aut/o/ enthusiast in your country? By enjoying the fact I was one of the first in college to own a car, as well as being the only one to own an rwd and landbarge. Plus having package deliveries side jobs with my private car in the middle of nowhere. >What car or motorcycle do you drive? Volvo 940 turbo, 135ps originally, 300ps now. Looking for either an Lexus ls200 or a 2.5 manual 960 to replace it. >How much do you pay in road tax (motorrijtuigenbelasting?) 288 € / 3 months (LPG) >How much is the APK? Dirt cheap, I usually pay €25 >How much is the insurance? 70 €/month >Currently contemplating whether I should get a cheap old car (pre 1978) to avoid road tax. I wouldn't really use it all that much. I'd commute by motorcycle. Good luck with boomers counting 3 years of taxes you won't have to pay into the sale price >t. random dude who end up in your country by accident Big mistake
John Stewart
>How do you survive as an aut/o/ enthusiast in your country?
You don’t, thats the reason why 90% of the cars on the road are 1.2 liter shitboxes on a leasplan (myself included). My “fun” car next to the polo is a 1988 opel kadett, that I’m restoring for nostalgia reasons
Joshua Roberts
OP here.
1. Guys, this has been a fantastic thread. Since lots of you are from Groningen, maybe we could organize a meetup? I have some free time in July, just before I move to Utrecht.
2. Also one last thing I wanted to ask: I love the fact that you have autocross here. We have the same shit back home. Is anyone here involved in that scene? Would love to know more about it.
3. My little brother is coming over to help me move in the summer months (July) and I was wondering whether there is any aut/o/ related activities I could take him to. Anything that moves and spews fumes would be interesting. He is a huge petrolhead, way more than me. Things I had in mind >oldtimer car shows >tractor pulling events >autocross events >track days (can you like rent a car/motorcycle (+gear) and do a few slow laps?)
Thomas Brown
I know there are pretty regular trackdays at the TT Circuit in Assen, and there's also an airfield drag racing scene in Drachten.
Ethan Long
>How do you survive as an aut/o/ enthusiast in your country? cheap car with low/no maintance cost and cheap insurance and tax >What car or motorcycle do you drive? Mazda MX5 >How much do you pay in road tax (motorrijtuigenbelasting?) €35 a month >How much is the APK? My local Toyota Dealer does APK's for €19 and they found no fault in my car. >How much is the insurance? €30 a month
>Also if you ride a bike, how expensive are motorcycle lessons? No bikes, safety hazard and too cold for the Netherlands.
Cooper Thomas
tfw 60 euro per kwartaal tfw 1 op 20 tfw benzine tfw 700 cc tfw 82 pk tfw cabrio tfw 800 kg
guess my car fags
Leo Young
There is a way to drive pretty cheap in the Netherlands as a new driver. That is done by getting a sub 900 kg car that also rides on LPG You'll spend about 150 euros a month on everything total
Oliver Morales
Smart Roadster
Henry Myers
Examples
Twingo, Atos, Matiz
find LPG conversions of these and you pretty much cant ride cheaper
Andrew Walker
I also live in Groningen but I am just in the process of getting my drivers license
Luke King
Same here, gonna have to deal with being an unironic busrider until then
Kayden Lopez
I should have mine in April
Mason Wilson
Took plenty of lessons already, it's just a matter of passing the theory and practical exams now for me
Easton Green
>safety hazard That's the cars.
>too cold for the Netherlands. Then how come I can ride year round?
Anthony Hernandez
>that's the cars That's right. But motorcycles drive like idiots in randstad and try to overtake cars at impossible places. >how come I can ride year round Did you ride during the snow? And I get cold on a scooter let alone a motorcycle that can do 3x the speed.
Camden Gutierrez
Maar dan betaal je wel bijtelling over de nieuwprijs van de f150+btw+bpm als je m prive gebruikt
Zachary Perry
>But motorcycles drive like idiots in randstad and try to overtake cars at impossible places. I am Randstad. And yes, there are lots of idiot riders. But that doesn't make the bikes unsafe, it's the riding style that's unsafe.
>Did you ride during the snow? Yes.
> And I get cold on a scooter let alone a motorcycle that can do 3x the speed. That's why you have a bike suit, not just your jeans and a winter coat. I'm pretty comfy up to -5°C, much colder than that it just doesn't really get.
Jackson Watson
lightweight lpg cars dont have any more road tax than petrol
Michael Morris
>tfw got a 1.4L leaseplan polo
It's ok but I really want something fun
Carter Stewart
Tough shit
Michael Thomas
Reading your comment i was looking out the window and a crz with dutch plates stopped, although not the most exciting honda, enthusiasts still excist here
Bentley Bailey
There was a madman in my neighborhood with a 996 GT3, which was just parked right on the street. Also a blue Miata/MX-5 NA which looked like it was slightly modded.
David Barnes
Are you also on Veeky Forums? I am and i got a panda, we don't need to compensate by having big cars
Levi Campbell
Is there a discord for dutch 4channers? Or dutch/o/es?
Jordan Barnes
MX5 from which year?
Oliver Long
Est here What car or motorcycle do you drive? >MRS bought from your homeland last summer, thanks for keeping it mint. Fuck you for making me overpay 2k. How much do you pay in road tax (motorrijtuigenbelasting?) >0 How much is the APK? wtf is apk? Other than fuel, registration fees and insurance there is no extra cost or tax. How much is the insurance? >250 for half a year. Was 300 for half a year last year since it is de jure my first car.
Aiden Diaz
How do you survive as an aut/o/ enthusiast in your country? >suffer all winter with some shitty autotragic cuckover that puts you to sleep and is only fun when it understeers and you need to correct it. >once summer comes roll the car out, attend weekly fnf style meets, attend trimonthly time attack races with 25 eur entrace fee for entire day filled with driving, hit the track for 20 eur a hour, pay 1.2 eur for gas, mod shitbox and nobody cares. the caveat >when someone cares you need to pay fines >only make 800 pcm
Jacob Howard
Being an auto enthusiast in estonia is like trying to order a steak at an indian restaraunt.
