*saves your life*

Not really an issue here as everyone is already running usually decent winter tires here

Salting give people a false sense of security as there might still be spots that are slippery, while also not allowing them to gain experience as they never drive on actual snow and ice

>Salting give people a false sense of security as there might still be spots that are slippery, while also not allowing them to gain experience as they never drive on actual snow and ice

This
>oh i'm okay with driving in the snow I have all-seasons
>*gets stuck on unsalted side-street
>oh that's only because I don't have awd

One time my Civic got stuck and this guy helping me push asked if it was front or rear-wheel-drive. Not even joking.

THE SALT ISNT FOR THE SNOW. ITS FOR THE ICE.

12,000 lb SUV?
clueless

Turns out most normies care about the lives of people not cars

Don't want the snow melted. Hydroplaning in slush is worse than sand stuck on top of a layer of ice.

If you are not going to clear the softened crap off of the road IMMEDIATELY, down to bare pavement, leave it alone.

>It's goes below freezing
>In the desert
>Drops the liquid salt line
>Divides a lane into 4 piecies
>Autism gets trigger when I notice them jerk the the steering wheel and cause an ugly line

He drives in the snow even though he doesn't need to

Where's your sense of adventure, user?

The whole point of owning a car is freedom to go where you wish.

but my city does clear that stuff immediately. night before -> salt (here it's magnesium chloride but same thing). day of -> plow

Ice? What ice?

truth
but unfortunate

Endless hooning with little to no tire wear? Fuck yeah I'm going out if I don't have to. There needs to be an ice age soon to rid the planet of you weather pussies.

snow is ice, you retard

Why cant they just install heated rodes

Too spensive. Asphalt gets warm enough from the sun to melt the snow most the time. Quite a few people have heated sidewalks and driveways.

snow can be slippy as fuck

>heated driveways
wow must be nice to be rich

But I do need to get to work.
Wage isn't gonna slave itself

She would've done that in rainy conditions anyways. Again all he's doing is fucking the longevity of my property for no good reason.

I remember the first time I heard of a heated driveway. I was 17 and I worked for a rental company, I was in the van doing some small bullshit delivery when I got to this house. This driveway was legit nearly at a 40 degree angle, I've never seen anything like it. It was so steep that when I was backing up the driveway I got that sinking feeling in my stomach, like when you're on a rollercoaster or taking off in a plane.

I asked the customer how they got up their driveway in the winter and that's when they told me their driveway is heated, but apparently it used to be their parents house and they lived without it being heated for many years. Which is crazy to me, because if it was icy you could easily hit 30+mph before getting to the bottom, and there was another house directly in their path. Personally that would be a deal breaker for me, fuck living on a mountain

*screams internally*

i love fucking around in my 4x4 truck with snow tires in the snow

If you know salt will rust your vehicle and you have salt on your vehicle, why wouldn't you wash it?

You wash the underside of your vehicle every day when it's 12 degrees fahrenheit outside and the sun sets at 4:30?

>not commuting on your snowmobile to work

i wash off the underside once a week during winter regardless of temperature. the diy car wash i go to has heated water so ice buildup isn't a really big deal, as long as the salt comes off i'm happy.

I've delivered to some rural houses with crazy driveways. Some are a good 5-10 minute drive from the road to the house. The 3 and 5 ton trucks can barely make it up in winter. You definitely aren't getting up most with a fwd or rwd, 4x4 is mandatory. But yeah it's different outside the city, you gotta be prepared. A lot of area's don't have cell service either.

Is spraying hot water on -20 metal then going back out to -20 really a good idea? That's asking for paint cracks imo and isn't too good for the frame either.

underside is already warm from exhaust, engine, transmission, etc. and the water is barely above freezing once it reaches the metal at ambient temperatures of ~10 degrees so i don't see how i'm fucking it up any worse than letting salt and slush pile on.

>rodes
.....

I drove through snow and ice on summer sport tires, people just need to not drive like it's a nice summer day.

It doesn't snow where I live so doesn't save shit.

In Netherlandistan sand isn't uses because (what I was told) it erodes the roads faster and blocks drainage?
Meanwhile trees ger shat on and die from the hypersalinity

In Netherlandistan sand isn't used because (what I was told) it erodes the roads faster and blocks drainage? We use salt, and so much of it that some years certain municipalities run out. A few years back this happened and that municipality had to purchase a shitload of expensive scented bathing salts from a guy who collects various scented bath salts.
Meanwhile trees get shat on and die from the hypersalinity

because of freezing point depression the salt water's freezing temp is wickedly lower than fresh water

Disgusting

no because im not a fucking idiot and i wash the underside of my car when i know there's salt on it. Or mud. Or cum.

Dumbass.

>tfw retarded Californian refugees crash and get stuck the one week a year we get actual winter weather.
>every time they whine to the state to start salting the roads instead of using winter tires or buying a subaru like everyone else who's terrified of snow.
Thank god the hippies hate salt because muh rivers

Thanks bro

colorado salts roads

Adolf Gritler strikes again

in germany winter tires are mandatory countrywide by law, if you have an accident and you don't have winter tires during winter months, even if you didn't cause the accident you're automatically at fault... and germans still salt their roads but not to the extent as the rust belt

and somehow germany's roads are in beautiful shape with rust belt winter conditions

it probably has something to do with the socialism

here's german snow removal

youtube.com/watch?v=9kip5qe4RDw

youtube.com/watch?v=qw3Ivq_WAXo

Try again, bud

wow

Touchless car wash

This shit's expensive to run, and you gotta get it nice and warm before the snow starts to pile up

google it

I'm not in Colorado, user.
I don't fault them entirely for salting, it actually gets cold for more than a week there

oregon?

Yep

>Ontario starts using beet juice for roads
oh boy finally

>combination of sugar beet juice and salt brine
oh boy what the fucks the difference

Less salt overall

Just buy better cars instead of rust buckets

>"quite a few..."

WHEERE THE FUCK DO YOU LIVE?!?!

*creams my wife*

Thank you, Truck-Sama

only in retarded us where any retard who has enough fingers to hold a wheel is free to drive.
Here winter tyres are mandatory and people actually know how to drive since -25c winters with 3ft of snow are a yearly occurance.
And most cars are manuals.

Driving on snow and "driving" on ice are 2 very different things, you retard.

Why would you heat a sidewalk? Do you own the sidewalk?

>This driveway was legit nearly at a 40 degree angle, I've never seen anything like it.

If you were in a RWD truck without any load you could not back up that. You are probably some flatland fag that has never seen a hill in his life

Have you not seen unwashed vehicles in areas that salt roads? We are talking 4 year old vehicles that have more rot than a barn fins

Why do you put driving in quotation marks when you're on about ice?

>Why would you heat a sidewalk?
So it isn't slippery.

bitch its the same.
Stop busriding you desert dwelling shotrod.
I drive on snow and ice daily and its fucking fine.

>shaves your road

>There needs to be an ice age soon to rid the planet of you weather pussies.
>posting on Veeky Forums about your desire to live in rust hell
>not wishing for permanent hot and dry weather

t. Pedro

*salinates the water system, killing the fish and causing lead pipes to corrode, killing you anyway*

wait are you supposed to wash mud from the underside?

>why dont you use sand
A study of sand usage in the USA showed that sand still needed to be mixed with salt and other chemicals in order to melt the ice. The value of sand is when there is slush on a hill and some cars would spin on pure slush floating on top of ice, but with sand, they would be able to move up the hill. However, the situations where this occurs is limited. And the sand must be cleaned up afterwards by street sweeper machines.

The other part of the study damned the use of sand. It causes a lot of rutting wear to roadways. My entire county phased out sand quite a few years ago due to the road wear problem.

I live in one of the richer parts of Alberta where people have way too much money. It's usually only your sidewalks on your property that get heated. The city's sidewalk still has to get shoveled.

Winter is good for you and winter sports are sick. Have fun not leaving your A/C'd basement fatass.

>living more than 200 miles from the glacier that feeds your water supply.

Salt is the least of your worries.

ITT: people who never experienced black ice
inb4 couldnt deal

Northern Virginia salts its roads several times a year, many times if there is a lot of snow. Most cars I've seen that have been here their whole life are fine underneath.

The rust belt has a lot of ground water near the surface causing heaves that wreck the roads.

Germany is probably different, OR their grading below the surface is spick and span due to being a civilized country for 1000 years vs americas "fuck it make it big, wide and we'll maintain it with the bare minimum" attitude

The USA just doesn't maintain infrastructure, at all. Just build and let it be.
Germany is basically non-stop maintaining their roads and they have to. Last time I was there they had Belgium tier parts on their Autobahn.

Been there brother

>destroys my car
>causes forty miles of oversanded hazard zone
>causes roads to be shut down for 2 days
>it was used by an inexperienced driver who set it to a higher release setting, destroying 29 cars

idiocy, and fifteen injured, nine permanent injuries

>it snows in their country

Well to be fair America has a mind boggling amount of roadway to maintain and we pay little to no road tax so really we shouldn't complain.

I would complain. I have no problems paying the high taxes we pay.
Because they made it so we have amazing roads. If the cops aren't watching you can get up to 300km/h and you don't have to worry about the road, as that is silky smooth.

You get better traction on snow than ice you moron.

The plows and salt melt all the snow and then you're left with ice if the temperature drops enough.

Mandate snowtires and stop plowing the roads.

But packed snow turns into ice.

Too bad you won't be hitting 300 in a 1.3 diesel. It's good roads and shitty cars or mediocre roads and xxxxhp cars. I'll take a couple bumps.

>a 1.3 diesel
Who there mr Richguy. We drive 1.0 diesels.

But luckily they have left some cheap vehicles. They come in 125cc to 1600+cc engines and go like a bat out of hell. Basically no taxes and cheap to insure.
For about €1000 you can get one that will go 200km/h+

6100lb escalade with 7x 400lb americans inside gets you almost there...

What if instead of salt they just used trucks with a big propane tank on the back and flamethrowers on the back?

Sand isn't supposed to melt the ice. It's supposed to provide traction on the ice.

it's a government conspiracy to force people to buy new cars.

ramps are often heated
my old workplace had an open ramp going under the building to the parking lot.
how do you want to clear the ramp if it is frozen and the snow plow just slides down the ramp and might hit the building