726 hp

>engine noise
The tires to pavement is what you'll hear. Honestly most cars now are pretty damn quiet. I've always heard teslas when I'm walking around at work

10/10, safest car

>let off throttle
>immediate torque chasm sends you forward in your seat

Literally the worst sensation in a car.

>3000 battery cells and, on average, one is automatically disconnected every week

>shit tier build quality
>cheap plastic everywhere
>"dude let's put everything important on a tablet and put it in the center lmao"
>currently has the worst autopilot system in the world
>unreliable as hell
2/10 car

none of the points you stated matter to a car guy

>$82000
best car for the 1%
the rest of us get to make payments on a gimped cuckmobile, that exists only to deliver us from our beds to our assigned labor centers, all while our corporate overlords laugh at us

how fun are these to drive? they are heavy as fuck and no manual, sounds terrible on the togay

>muh straight line
buy a motorcycle for a tenth of the price and have twice the fun

BMW takes that title

a car guy wouldn't buy a tesla anyway

car guys value road and car feel above all else

audi*

Literally slower than a slower than a minivan.

>best automobile ever
not even close.
They weigh 2+ tons and, not coincidentally, handle like shit.

(You), laptimes are irrelevant. If you're buying a powerful manual car, chances are you don't care if it's a few tenths slower around a track you'll never go to. That's not why you're buying it.

Good luck charging it.

Between the two of you, you have managed to (poorly) argue a single one of my points. Have fun with your autotragic telling you what gear to use, luckily it leaves you a free hand so that you can crap on manuals here on Veeky Forums while you drive.

your point?

The all-electric Rimac that Richard Hammond crashed continued to burn for 5 days after the original accident. They had to cordon the entire area off. Therefore, when electric cars crash badly enough there's the potential for roads to be closed for days and not just hours. Seems safe and reasonable to me.

>Driveshafts

In a Tesla?

There's cut-off points in the Model S, X, and 3 that stop that kind of stuff

Assuming firefighters can get to said cut-off points before the car is engulfed in flames. Hammond's car burst into flames seconds after he was able to pull himself out. He got lucky.

nah BMW’s title is “car that makes autists on Veeky Forums the most butthurt”

Plus they’ve never had a fucking plastic gas pedal that snaps in half lmfao

>no manual
what's the point it only got forward and reverse

Consumer reports disagrees with you

That would be Kia, then Chevy, Fiat, Dacia, Ford, Renault, Citroën, Hyundai, Peugeot, Volvo, Nissan, Opel, VW, Seat, Skoda, BMW, Audi, Merc, Toyota and the most reliable; Porsche. (Tesla, Mazda, Mitsubishi, Morgan & Nobel don't sell enough to be ranked).

Everytime I see or hear about Tesla Model S I can't help but think of this cancer. And I hate that car for this.
theoatmeal.com/comics/tesla_model_s

if you don't have a powerfull enough wall socket this bitch could take up to 40 hours to fully charge

Is that real?

So this is a look inside the mind of a reddit fag.

Forgot Honda as most

Nope, Porsche is at the top. I missed Honda, they are between Opel and VW. Hahahaha, less reliable than VW, the honda meme is over.

That sounds more like a car set up with aggressive regen than anything else. You can turn that off completely and coast/freewheel at lift-off instead..

You can't cut off thermal runaway. you can cut off the battery pack's connections to the rest of the car via the cut-off points (so that you don't get electrocuted when trying to cut passengers out) but you can't cut-off connections between cells, which is what happened in the rimac

this is quite possibly the most delusional thing I've read in a while
it's like he bought a Tesla to piss off his grandpa who is likely long dead
how petty can you be

You know, the things that connect the wheels to the electric motors?

It's electric though.
Don't worry, you won't ever drive a powerful car period, so it's not something you have to care about.

A tesla flew 80 feet in the air and crash and the occupants survived.

>no manual
Why would you need to shift gears in an electric?

Efficiency.

So to be less efficient?

Uhm no sweaty, maximum torque us produced at 0 rpm

literally safest car
luddites btfo

Notice how as RPMs decrease and torque increases efficiency decreases. Electric motors have quite a narrow operating range for high-efficiency output, especially when under load.

Torque may be at it's maximum at 0 rpm but so is work done, hence it's 0% efficient at 0 rpm.

Do you turds even know how electric motors work?? Torque is NOT maximum at 0rpm, it follows a saddle curve. Idiots

Also, how about you compare to your fabled ICE with its humongous 25-30% (if you are lucky) efficiency..

Everyone body claims to know something, yet hardly anyone does.

>Torque is NOT maximum at 0rpm,
Retard detected.

>pouring water over lithium
Well, there you have the reason...

>source: my ass

FAT

There is more than one type of electric motor.
In permanent magnet DC electric motors torque is proportional to current, regardless of rpm, same goes for synchrone AC motors.

But it is different for asynchrone AC and many non permanent magnet DC motors.

>thermal runaway would've somehow been prevented if it hadn't been sprayed by water

Can't long haul road trip. I drove from Richmond va to Detroit mi with only a single 10 minute stop for gas, snack, and a piss. Couldn't make my destination in time If i had to make 2 75 minute stops that were out of my way.

So it takes 57 years to deplete the batteries?

Thermal runaway is not the only problem, Lithium starts to burn when it gets in contact with water and releases hydrogen, wich again starts to burn.

Spraying water on lithium is about as bad as spraying it on burning oil.

>Poor build quality
>Will eventually will come out with update that will make car useless to buy the new one
> Cant go on road trips with out tripling drive time
> Battery replacement cost $$$$$
> Battery manufacturer is more pollutant than a corolla
>Feeding Elon musk's empire to build flame throwers and sends cars to space

(You) were saying, busrider? It is a 6 speed manual.

>LS
>Powerful

what the fuck did he mean by this?

Modular > ls

>726hp
>726 tonne of mass
shit user, i just like my miata

i mean, i'd definitely love to try it out, but i don't think it's petrolhead kind of car. there definitely is some kind of market for it, but overall heavy cars are the worst. small and underpowered car is cool, you can have fun on a small track, but fast and incredibly heavy lets you enjoy it only on highway or something. i don't want suvs, i don't want maybach, and so i don't want tesla either

comparing ring videos, it's really visible how tesla just skids out on every attempt of turning while any other funcar grips nicely
youtube.com/watch?v=Dphw4km60m4
youtube.com/watch?v=fhvuKIuTiic

Why would you want to learn about a fad technology

point I was trying to make is it would've burned regardless, the water might make it worse but it still burns

My shitbox is faster than that. This can't be real.

it's over 2t of a car

at this point i wanted to say that porsche cayenne was also slow since it's so fat, but i googled a bit and supposedly cayenne gts did ring in 8:50. awkward

So what? it has 720 hp, that is more horsepower to weight than many many cars that performed better, including bentley

You know what's even more hilarious?

The Panamera Turbo, which weighs a fair bit less but is also almost 200hp down on the Model S, ran a 7:28.

Not the Turbo S, not the Hybrid, the "regular" 550hp Turbo.

Fix up an old car and drive that. Financing a disposable car in stoopid

My newest vehicle is a 1990, I travel over 100km a day in it, had it for 4 years, insurance is cheap af, and i have less in it than a years worth a payments and insurance on a financed cuckbox

Correction, 7:38, point still stands.

It goes into limp mode about a minute in and quarters the power.

Does it seriously? It can't sustain peak power for even a minute?

Fitting it with none standard cooling got it to an 8:50. Still 5 seconds slower than the BRZ, Bwahahahahahahaha

caranddriver.com/features/lightning-lap-20062017-historical-data-every-lap-time-every-car-feature

Rank 191, behind a goddamn Mini.

Yep. After a minute or so of hard driving, the overheat warning kicks on and the car cuts max speed waaay down and dials traction control up so the battery has time to cool down. I managed to get a P80D to overheat after some spirited driving around in the mountains for no more than 20 minutes.

Also, it's shit like this that makes Tesla even worse than they already are:
google.com/amp/s/electrek.co/2016/12/23/tesla-limiting-power-performance-launch-mode/amp/
Let me drive my car the way I want to fucking drive it.

Wow, didn't know that. Makes that big HP number suddenly seem really shitty if it can't even sustain that for a minute.
That power limiting is even worse. What the fuck does Tesla have to say how I drive a car I bought?

this is why Tesla fanboys only care about 0-60 times, its not the only metric that matters, but it is the only metric they can even make a dent in. notice how few track times there are for Teslas, or how few track days they show up at. at most you'll see them doing drag pulls against muscle cars and even that does permanent damage to the battery over time.

Yeah. I rented one for 3 days through one of those exotic car sites because I wanted to see what all the fuse was about. The one I got was fairly new, low milage, so it's not like the battery had already been beat to shit. I'll admit, hard pulls were fun, but the novelty wears off quickly. The traction control is super fucking intrusive and you can't turn it off. And, like I said, it wasn't hard to overheat and put into limp mode. In the time I had it just in those 3 days, it went into limp mode twice.

This is also true. Rapid discharge and recharge is absolutely the worst thing for these batteries. Your 230 mile range will turn into 200, then 180 very quickly. And battery replacements are just about the worst thing for the environment and cost as much as an unmolested RX7.

teslafags absolutely BTFO

>let me drive my car the way i want it
>overtheats engine
>waaah tesla bad
well, they wouldn't be able to sell cars if you'd be able to drive it the way you want it

while i despise current electric cars, i'm hopeful for the future. i'd love to see electric wrc cars running around, accelerating at insane speeds, and its engineers having to deal only with weight and heat. slap enormous radiators and overclock engine to infinity, cool stuff

but it won't happen. batteries are heavy and won't stop being heavy any time soon, and formula e constructors' battles won't be meaningful for electric cars development either
>Since the second season regulations allow for new powertrain manufacturers, the manufacturers are able to build the electric motor, inverter, gearbox and cooling system. The chassis and battery stay the same.

I drove one myself plenty too (family member has one), and while the acceleration is admittedly fun, it does wear off very quickly. Not to mention...I just got bored really quickly. There really isn't much more than the instant throttle response, which indeed loses it's novelty really quickly.

What backwater shotgun shack do you live in to have shitty power sockets like that?

Dude you don't get the same performance out of 68%, and 50% ur getting what is it 50km?

Battery bricking is also a real thing and so is surging. There are downsides but if you can afford the car you shouldn't give a fuck anyway (personal property insurance; surge protection in your home; 15k battery replacement every 2.5 yes)

Yeah Tesla like every other capitalist venture is pushing for the luxury market as fewer and fewer lower end plebs have the money after property to ever afford commodities. Yes, capitalism is eating itself. What's new

>18653043
Being allowed to drive the car hard and Tesla's sales have zero correlation. The point is that if you can overheat it just by fucking around on a twisty public road, it's probably a piece of shit. I even drove it after the update that limited the power and just accelerating out of corner after corner simply kills it. As stated before, the car is good for nothing more than a few quick accelerations before that novelty wears off. >Upkeep is expensive
>charging stations still not common enough to be a viable form of long distance transportation
>batteries are absolute shit
>awful for the environment
There is literally no reason to own one. If you want to save the environment or save money on gas, buy a little MK2 Golf or some shit that gets 40mpg and costs $100 in maintenance if that every year.

yeah but then you can't virtue signal in an old golf

>lower end plebs have the money after property to ever afford commodities.
>demand for cheap electric cars like the Bolt goes up because even poorfags can afford them
>30 years from now 70%+ of cars are EV
>Tesla either gets really good at making luxury electric cars or dies like Eastern Airlines

Capitalism wins again, at least Communists still have Ladas that work.

>not sure if listing these as negatives or positives

It has less rattling noises than any other car, you just dont hear it in a conventional car beacuse the white noise from the engine and gearbox covers them.

Tell me why again combustion cars use gearboxes?

They don't

Teslas are bad at tracks, they are good at drag strips but because they are built to do road trips and because electric motors are strong they can go fast in a straight line
But they will bitch and moan if you track them due to being heavy as fuck, over heating motors, being bad at cornering, etc