Why do modern manual cars have hill assist?

Why do modern manual cars have hill assist?

Might as well drive an auto at this point if you need assistance.

Oh, fuck off. I'm a pretty adament manualfag and even I am not bothered by this.

gfs car has it, handy as fuck since most people drive auto these days and stop at lights bumper to bumper giving you zero room to micro roll back

Found the soyboys.

You drive a manual for control of your car.

What do you think about hill start assist on automatics?

DESU I'm just sick of everything getting dumbed down in every single car to the point where all the terrible driving normies don't have to use their brains. That's the danger on the roads, people switching their brain off.

If you don't like it remove it lol
The real question is why do you drive stock cars

I bet you still drive with synchros, and don't use a physical crank to turn your car over

because most people cant hill start a manual.

someone whose really battling at life.

Hill starts never bothered me. It was all about clutch control and knowing when the clutch grips the flywheel to stop releasing the brakes at that point. If you fear stalling, you gotta press the gas as soon as you drop the brakes.

Why do Americans make hillstarting seem like a surgical operation?

1: engage handbrake at stop, engage neutral
2: move from neutral to 1st, keeping clutch in
3. left hand on handbrake
4. find bite point with accelerator and clutch simultaneously
5. drop handbrake, adding more throttle as necessary

Hill assist isn't a problem for me, but I really don't understand why people insist on using their foot brakes on a hill and just giving it more throttle, burning out their clutch.

I'd rather pay for a $30 handbrake cable adjustment at the time you'll be replacing your clutch.

Thats the soy way of doing it.
>holding the car still with clutch only master race

This. Only for a fraction of a second when starting out, though. Don't want to be replacing that clutch all the time.

The busposting is strong in this thread

Clutch only wears really when u rev more than 2k my dude

Don't be dumb.

my no-frills base model automatic elantra came with hill start assist, I was pretty surprised

that said, if there is already a driving computer on board, and it already has a way to actuate the brake mechanism, its basically free for companies to include this feature

Maybe its time for u to learn about the drivetrain and how it works senpai. The wear is minimal on low revs

It's a common if not universal requirement on cars with electronic handbrakes.

Hard to smoothly release something that's an on/off switch and (normally) in an inconvenient location while doing the left-footer pedal dance...

Handbrake on the right in my car tho so how the fuck my left arm gonna reach

Modern car manual transmissions also auto-rev-match downshifts, and will even lock you out of gears to force you to shift into the highest possible gear (for economy)

How does that work? Can computers in cars disable the clutch or something these days?

>left hand on handbrake
Queensucker identified.

>driving on the wrong side of the road on the wrong side of your car

I honestly think it's because they let no-motor control having retards breed.

Only manuals I've ever stalled on hill starts were cars that had this fucking assist and I didn't know about it. It's fucking useless, implemented in such a way that anyone who knows how to drive will only trip all over the moronic computer making decisions for you.

THIS
my (manual) car has it, and it can't be turned off. In the beginning I stalled it multiple times because of it. Now it still looks/sounds ridiculous when I have to start on a hill. Revs go up, nothing happens, adjust revs, still nothing happens, adjust revs again, still nothing, wait, still nothing, just a little more time, and then you jolt forward or stall the car.

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works fine for me every time. push brake in a little harder on the hill. hold the brake in, clutch in, in 1st gear. light goes green. foot off break, clutch out, accell in and we're perfectly.

car is a 2013 honda civic turbo diesel 6sp

I believe they use a servo to lock you out of the gear; i.e. forcing you to upshift from first directly to third or whatever.

This.

OP is a faggot.

This isn't an issue on motorcycles since you can access all the controls at once. No need for clumsy 'heel-toeing' or messing with the parking brake.

Surely there's a better layout for cars, that'd give you that level of control?

A handbrake button on the steering wheel that only holds the handbrake as long as you physically hold the button down.

>Being a soyboy is not purposely burning your clutch out for no reason
Sounds like something somebody with mild mental retardation would say

Bitch put your car in 1st and hold your clutch. Now you got two hands

numales refuse to buy manuals unless they have a billion nanny assists
>numales cant do hillstarts
>numales cant rev match
>numales cant even shift smooth (dual mass flywheels)

fairly sure there's a special valve somewhere in the brake lines for this

That’d do the job in most cases, although it’d be nice to have full (analog) brake control when setting off from a really steep grade.

Motorbike also gives you independent front v rear brake control, which is useful in any places but especially with hill starts (although there’s a lot of electronic wizzadry now in cars that fakes this)

Maybe because shitty start-stop features can cuck you if you don't wait long enough for the engine to get running properly, which apparently takes around a second if it is built by renault-nissan.

Why wouldn't you want to save wear on your clutch? Especially something as repetitive as hill starts. This isn't meant for the enthusiast, it's meant for the wagie who buys the cheapest car possible to drive to and from work. This technology makes the manual less intimidating to them and will increase sales.
More wagies buy stick = more for us later

Actually I think people only even started disliking hill starts because boyracers told them that they're amateurs for using the handbrake.

>letting the engine do the work for you

Never been locked out of an upshift. I did notice though that I can't downshift into first until I'm at 10 kph or so. Only the case with first though, no other gear.

maybe he drives a fiero

Yeah, on my car too, anything above 5mph, it physically wont allow you to put it into 1st gear. It's nearly a 20 year old car too so it cannot be a computer override

My automatuc car even has hill assist

lol no. It literally just gives the engine a little more throttle so the torque converter holds you in place.

When I did my motorcycle test the hill start was a component (they want to see that you can stop on a hill, and get going again without any back sliding). Is this not the case with modern car tests (where geography allows)?

Not on my car, it applies the rear brake.
If the car has stability control it can already apply each brake independently.

I've never been bothered to even use the handbrake. Just get good and be quick.

anything else than this is retarded
this assistance is more for clueless drivers nearly touching you than for yourself

Hopefully these features fuck off when the fucktards migrate to autonomous driving.

disgusting

Why would you not want hill start assist? Manual, is fun, hills aren't. Its a useful feature. Stop pretending you are special just because you have a cheap car with no aids.

Are you retarded

its they're fault if they rear end you

Auto rev matching is good too, it stops you from screwing up your car and from the outside it sounds like you did it right. Corvettes have it. Don't want to be screwing up your transmission. They need a feature that just doesn't let you shift down if its the wrong gear.

>aids
Driving aids are the AIDS of the car world
It literally limits your control (you can't let yourself slowly back up without shifting in reverse on a slope - which is what I don't really think about doing, but quickly started disliking once I had to torture the clutch on my brother's aid-ridden car. Synchros are good, automatic fuel mixture adjust is good, but this type of driving assist is bullshit. The only state of mind a sane person could think this is a good idea is some intoxicated dream of "driving is just going forward, stopping, going forward, stopping, going forward..."

I have sanic, if you put it in neutral At a light instead of holding the clutch the hill assist won't even engage (which is what I always do) so technically you have the choice not to use it

Thought it was broke at first. But it does engage If you leave it in first and hold clutch in with brake

My early 80's econo box has hill assist. It's not new or even electric. The only downside is unlike the new versions, its difficult to reverse out of my driveway.

For you.

is that really a thing ? autos already crawl (or is it creep?) when you let off the brake in drive, it was enough for me in san francisco with a kia econobox

>honda civic turbo diesel
DTEC just kicked in yo

Why is this board filled with insecure faggots trying to hide their sissy fetish?

Hill assist is comfy. Wish I had it on my car. It also minimizes wear on the clutch and rear pads.

You never had control, only the illusion of control

It would be nice to have of your engine is a torquelet like mine. But my car is also old enough to not have this.

Oh is that why you don't used abs? Are your airbags deployed manually?

My car also has hill start assist, but not in the way OP's pic works. If you put mine in neutral on a hill, the car will still hold the brake for you for a second or two after you let go of the brake pedal, giving you time to clutch in, put 1st, and go. If it detects gas input, it'll let go of the brake.

>crashing your car
Move along, soyboi

>Little bro comes home from driving lesson
>"I did a hill start today"
>He drives an auto

What did he mean by this?

Only thing like that was a hill park, but it was right after the parallel park and they just ask you which way you'd turn your wheels if parked downhill/uphill, curb or no curb

>driving lesson
>for an automatic
seriously what the fuck did he mean by this

>literally so bad at driving you need a computer programmed by an indian to do it for you
just give up and buy an auto if you're this bad

>needing hill assist
You may as well take the bus

Why the fuck do europoors use handbrakes on hills? Are y'all fucking retarded?

Ohhhh niw I get it. Drove my mates car today that had this.
But what you do if you're a man is hold the brake whilst releasing the clutch till it grips, then give throttle and drive off. 0 rollback every time.
But fuck this troll thread

>Europoor
>Ya'll
Sister shagging indoctrinated good goy detected. Hey listen Bubba, just because your Jewish masters have all the money, doesn't mean you do.

>using the handbrake on a hill
confirmed for actual retard who never learned to drive manual

>Ya'll
Learn to speak English dumb nigger

Hill start assist in semi trucks is even worse. Imagine trying to maneuver into a dock with any sort of uneven terrain (ie 95% of places). Shit is constantly engaging and you're just like nigga I'm tryna do a thing.

Then you turn the little bastard off only for it to turn on again by itself.

Fuck new trucks.

Semi trucks have had this technology for decades

In many regions they are mandatory to acquire your license. Plus it's always a good idea to learn from a instructor anyway since parents often pass on bad driving habits.

>letting what side of the road and vehicle you drive on be dictated by the Victorian-era aristocrat's paranoia of getting into pitched horseback sword fights on the way to work

Hill starts on manuals is a pain when idiots stop just a decimeter from your rear. I never use hand brake but I do sometimes kill the engine due to pushing the clutch as far back as possible to avoid rolling backwards. It wouldn't happen if idiots just learned basic spacing. Always leave the car ahead of you some freedom to back a few decimeters. It's not hard.

>I have never driven in traffic in a hilly city

Driving in rush hour Seattle with my manual 245 was a bit hairier then I like my drives; I'm amazed that I got away without having to exchange insurance information.

Drive an automatic if you can't keep your shit from rolling back.

>Plus it's always a good idea to learn from a instructor anyway since parents often pass on bad driving habits.

I'm sure Mr singh is an amazing driver

Have you tried going into neutral, rev match, then going into first? (Double clutch)

>Are your airbags deployed manually?

What are these 'airbag' things of which you speak?