The production cycle of the Focus RS, despite having only recently started, has already been announced to end this year.
Do you think this car will be remembered fondly and coveted years from now as a fast yet practical car like the STi, or will it be forgotten by most and remembered vaguely as a gussied up ecobox.
I ask this because I'm currently looking for a new car and was extremely drawn to its little brother, the ST, a new base model running about $25k. However, although it is more than I was initially prepared to spend, I could buy a 2017 RS with only 6000 miles for about $33k, also worth mentioning is that the RS is of a higher trim, with leather seats and heated and powered everything, not that I really need those, as I was looking at base model STs. It's not that I expect this car to be some collector's classic in ten years, but if it does retain its value, it might be worth it come trade in time. To compare it to the STi again, KBB value on a 2008 with 90k miles is still over $20k.
The production cycle of the Focus RS, despite having only recently started, has already been announced to end this year...
Seems like a lot of people think the limited run and unique drive train parts will make it less desirable due to higher maintenance or repair costs in the future. Oh well. ST it is I guess.
Focus RS models have always been short production. The Mk1 and Mk2 RSs still hold a hell of a lot of value
its ending because they're coming out with the next gen focus, it'll be back
judging by mk1/2 focus RS prices and Escort RS Cosworth prices, I'd say its safe to bet prices are only gonna go up in the medium to long term. That said I've no idea how much Americans care about the "european" fast fords.
if not for the headgasket issues we'd probably be getting a few more years of this car
dropping almost 20% immediately after rolling off the lot isn't a good sign though
They fixed that issue, and also it's always been a limited edition trim, look at every Focus RS of years past.
I'm not positive which way it'll be viewed, I could see them depreciating ("It's just a focus bro"), but I could also see them being fondly remembered for years to come. Them going out of production will make it much more special when you spot one in a few years.
An unfortunate truth that increasingly plagues the car industry, is that we probably wont get another car like the focus rs any time soon. I think for that reason it will hold its value for a lon time
I don't think that's true, I'd expect another Golf R and another Focus RS for the next generation down the road, not sure if we'll ever see an STI hatch again though.
Plus hot hatches/sport wagons seem to be more popular than ever in the US, hopefully they continue to bring those models over.
I dunno man, if the FoST continues to do decently well in the states we might see the rs again. That said the new Ford CEO is a no fun allowed faggot so who knows.
bumping cause i thought it was interesting
it's German, so I'd imagine it'll be forgotten pretty quickly as all the working models explode the day after the warranty runs out
Joke's on you, they started exploding well before the warranty ran out
>5 door
nothing of value was lost
Aww, are you just the edgiest little thing
It might get collector status if they don't bring the next one here.
Isn't there a fourth generation focus coming? Ford does this with mustangs all the time. Come out with a special to model before the end of the gen.
Unreliable FWD hatch, it's not going to be remembered fondly.
the RS is not fwd
and you'd hardly know if it's unreliable
honestly you're just blatantly talking out your ass and look like an idiot.
it is FWD, its the same shitty AWD system that every generic SUV uses. It can only move up to 70% to the rear and thats only if there is a reason for the computer system is. With something like an STI you can set the rear differential to HOLD that amount of power to the rear and not letting some shit computer system do it for you
so it's not FWD then
Even the golf R pisses on the Focus RS because Haldex can and will send 100% of the power to the rear, somthing the ford can't do, not that the rear diff would survive that as the RS allreaey cooks it.
>its a FWD based AWD system that is fully computer controlled and only gives 70% to the rear wheels only when the circumstances and planets align such that the computer would do that.
You have to somehow lose traction on the front wheels for the system to ever transfer that much power to the rear.
so it's not FWD then
If by your retarded demeanor that means every Honda CRV and Toyota Rav aren't FWD either with an AWD that only kicks in when you lose traction
en.wikipedia.org
>An all-wheel drive vehicle (AWD vehicle) is one with a powertrain capable of providing power to all its wheels, whether full-time or on-demand.
So you enjoy having autism?
FWD cuck.
It's not like the power belongs anywhere but the front wheels anyway.
No you're fucking retarded, you want to purposely be reductive as fuck and you can't seem to tell the difference between a true AWD system and a generic FWD AWD based system. For all intents and purposes that retrofitted Ford Focus is FWD 100% of the time until it loses traction on the front wheels in some way.
I see trips of truth.
casual fag bet you cant drive.
Power should only go to the steering wheel you fag, do you even race
>power to the steering wheel
>not the wheel knobs on the radio
I've driven one and was not impressed. The interior is awful, one can only hope the next gen looks better. The power was not mind blowing as I thought it would be, in the turns it was a beast no question. Drift mode was a good idea. It's plagued with first year type of reliability issues also. I think the main issue is it lacks a personality that STI and Evo has. The RS doesn't feel special.
I didn't like it, the suspension is over dampened for street use and you feel EVERY single bump on the road
imagine being this autistic lol
let me post it again
en.wikipedia.org
>An all-wheel drive vehicle (AWD vehicle) is one with a powertrain capable of providing power to all its wheels, whether full-time or on-demand.
my nearest ford dealer was trying to sell these shits for 5k+ over MSRP when they came out. The blue one has been there since the month they started showing up in showrooms, and I think the black one wasn't much later. Still nobody wants to touch them 4k under msrp
Triggered soiboi alert.
>I'm being stupid and obtuse on purpose hurr durr I troll u
yeah, I can see you are seething lol
yeah I can see that you are lol
> Ford Focus is FWD
the rs is awd though
It is when the differential overheats, which is during hard driving.
Basically fwd
Just look at how much hype it has right now. Every car reviewer that ever sat in one couldn't help but spew superlatives about the performance. In 5 years when people are considering buying a used one, they'll be watching the same videos and reading the same articles, and it'll make them just as excited as it made everyone in 2015.
It's just another FWD shopping cart.
yeah one that out preforms any other car in its class
yes
This has to be fake that clearly a Hyundai
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I saw one the other day. It was smaller than I thought from the pictures.
Seemed unnecessarily loud for a powder blue econobox, but I have little doubt it would go like stink if the owner were ever to decide to plant his foot in it.
From 0-blown cylinder head, maybe.
If the new Focus looks like this, it will make the current RS even that much more valuable lol
I was in a similar spot as you. Got an rs1 2016 model for nearly 30k. It sat on the lot for a while. Has only 6500 miles on it. I think the head gasket thing did spook some buyers but I think that work itself out as a few cars have a decent amount of mileage already without problems. The markup bullshit didnt it anu favots for flying off thw lot either.
I mean the sti has shit it's ringlands for years and people still buy and like that POS. Do i think it'll be well remembered and hold its value a bit just like they did. The 2018 models will be the best candidates for collectors.
Have you driven an ST? The RS is there price of almost 2 STs, major premium. A complaint I've seen about the comparison is the RS has little go under 3500rpm, but really picks up after the boost kicks in. Whereas the ST has a smaller and more responsive turbo, and with the FRPP tune, you get RS torque levels are 2500, although even if you can keep the steering under control, you'll never get traction and the wheels spin going even into third.
I've owned a 2014 ST. I bought the rs because it was more of the ST with more features and the AWD system. The ST is a little more responsive down low but the RS had to have a bigger turbo to get the power levels they wanted. Theres a give and take. The traction issues your describing is exactly why I never wanted to tune my ST and bought the rs instead of waiting for the civic hype to die.
So sorry, let us all modify what AWD means because of how you feel.
Perhaps we can draw the line between reactive AWD and proactive AWD. If it's reactive, then you're driving a FWD car with a computer to help stop the wheel spin.
If I wanted a 40k Ford (I don't) why would I get this over the faster Mustang or the much nicer AND faster 400hp awd Lincoln MKZ.
That's a Subaru you tard
Why didn't thry give the RS a twin turbo? The egoboosts are twin turbo.
Mustang isn't much faster. It's slightly slower to 60, the same in the quarter, and slightly faster to 100. It also has less features for the price, premium trim is much more expensive than the RS which has pretty much everything at base, a much smaller and less practical interior, and is more expensive it insure. The Coyote is a monster though.
How about a more comparable alternative; the Type R. Lower MSRP, better interior and ride, better expected residual value, but almost a full second slower and with more, y'know, divisive styling.
Same reason noone else twin turbos a 4cyl. Packaging, cost, effectiveness, etc.
I'd buy domestic to support MUH USA if they actually sold a car I wanted. As far as I can tell they're trying to out-do a Kia or something and it's not even a proper pony car for all the engine it has.
And its a garbage AWD system that only kicks in when it detects traction loss
CUV's here we come
So the focus RS is proactive AWD, closer in concept to the nissan gtr or mitsubishi evo. Read up before you embarass yourself any further.
Just ignore the RWD memelet. He's jealous because he'll never own a car that cool and he doesn't want other people buying cool cars.
so far all gens of the RS have maintained their value pretty well and the mk4 had a big deal made over it when it was new so i dont see why it wouldnt hold its value.
btw buy a mk1RS all other focuses a shit
good luck getting that at msrp
nice delusion, the RS is awd
mishimoto.com
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I found 2 at 34.1 and 2 more at 34.9 just in my city.
>a full second slower
I'd like to see a race from a roll with these two. The RS will obviously always be faster if you launch it because of the AWD but even though it's insanely fast from 0-30 it's slower from 30-60. So if you were highway racing, I bet the Civic might actually be faster from like 30 to 100.
Sales tax
MSRP doesn't include tax so try again
Yea they're starting to pile up on lots now that all the goy retards who sperged out and had to have them bought the over priced ones.
the interior of the RS is fucking awful compared to a premium package mustang. That's honestly the worst thing about these hyper hatches, they sell for $40k+ but can never escape the fact that at their core they're the same thing as a $17k econobox
0-30
RS: 1.5s
Type R: 2.1s
30-60
RS: 3s
Type R: 3.1s
5-60
RS: 5.7s
Type R: 5.9s
Only category where Type R wins in acceleration is 60-100, 7.6s to 8s.
Damn good for a FWD car though. To be expected from the fastest FWD car ever.
On paper at least, these are basically identical to the average driver. Track performance is even very similar. Question is how much do you want to pay for that launch and drift mode. Civic seems to be the better ride and interior by most accounts. Which will retain its value better? Who knows
It's fake "use the brakes for torque vectoring" bullshit. The pathetic rear diff overheats almost instantly if power gets sent to it.
How does the system actually work? I got called some kind of a faggot for not reading up, but the links I clicked on were a bunch of tiresome slop about heat and how great it is.
Dang I didn't even know the new Type R was that good. And if I can get one new for the same price, that single owner status might help me out later. Plus it's a Honda so you know it'll be reliable. That styling is a little intense though, and there'ss definitely a lot less hype surrounding it. And it's not AWD. Ah this is so tough.
So you basically need to spend thousands of dollars modifying a $35k focus to prevent the rear differential from shutting off?
Pathetic
>And it's not AWD.
AWD is a meme. With nice tires a fwd is fine in the snow. It also weighs less, has less drivetrain loss, and is cheaper to maintain.
I can't get over the styling personally. I'm in the market for a new car with ~30-35k or so budget and I'm leaning towards the ecoboost mustang right now. Still will go test drive the civic but the ricey styling is a hard sell for me.
>cheaper to maintain
It's almost like you've already run out of reasons why FWD is preferable. What's cheaper to maintain about it?
>all that autism
holy fuck, the guy who wrote that is so full of mad
You could spend the same amount of money and have a pristine Boss 302
What are you thinking????
at one point a full 50% of all sti's and like 60% of all wrx's were hatches. honestly I'm not sure why they haven't come out with one unless they're waiting for the next models.
the sti can never send any more than 50% to the rear though. you can move power off the rear into the front but it can never push more than half to the rear.
No transfer case, rear diff, axles or driveshaft
It still has halfshafts and a diff up front. Transfer cases and axles don't generally require any maintenance unless they're utter crap or you did something really stupid.
*Transfer cases and driveshafts
derp
It's not so much that I want AWD but I'm thinking about what's best in terms on resale value. STIs and Evos have always been highly coveted but with the Evo being out and the STI being both ugly as sin and not available as a hatchback anymore, I'm hoping the RS will attract a very specific type of person that willing to pay like half the MSRP for a 5 year old car.
I drove the EBM but even from just a test drive, I could tell that that "coulda got a V8" mindset would be stuck in the back of my head forever. To me, the price of the GT would've been worth it over there EBM, but personally, I'm too worried about resale value and I don't think there Mustang will hold up as well.
Clean Integra Type Rs are selling for 25-30k these days
That's different though. That's a 20 year old car. A 2005 STI is still worth over 20k too, but I don't intend on having any car for 15 years to find out if it becomes a collector's classic.
It just sucks that the difference is literally $10k with the respective performance packs. Considering a GT or even a M235i with ~30k miles too, which is probably the better decision financially. Sucks because then I wouldn't get the 2018 5.0 updates. Probably would still be a lot more fun than a 2018 ecoboost though so...