I'm pretty new to manual, only been driving one for 3 months now. Is it normal to not have all your shifts be super smooth?
My first to second gear shifts are sometimes a little bit bumpy where the car lurches back and forth a bit. Downshifts are also sometimes a little clunky. I reckon with more time they'll smooth out but do most people really shift flawlessly with a manual to the point where its as smooth as a new auto?
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At 3 months, if people can tell the difference between your shifting and a CVT you should just kill yourself.
You are either doing it too fast, or too slow. And yes, if there is no rev hang, you can shift almost flawlessly every time.
Will take longer than 3 months to perfect your shifting, what car?
Some manuals are harder than others especially if you don't have alot of power
>I reckon with more time they'll smooth out but do most people really shift flawlessly with a manual to the point where its as smooth as a new auto?
Yes. You clearly don't understand why your car is lurching back and forth and have made no effort to fix that. Apply yourself.
Protips: It's all about having the correct revs, and about clutch control.
There definitely is some rev hang and if I wait for it to drop a bit I can be very smooth but then I notice all the cars around me taking off a lot faster.
It's a BRZ
BRZ is tricky, it's very light with an on/off clutch. You'll get the hang of it
Nobody on Veeky Forums shifts perfect everytime. You'll get better at it once you get more used to your car.
I just got a new car and I'm still learning it, even doe I'm fluent in standart. Mostly getting used to having more than 40bhp again.
Is it normal to have the clutch depressed for like 1-3 seconds between shifts? I notice that is when I'm the smoothest.
Also, I watched one of those Japanese racing videos and under hard acceleration, they basically dump the clutch between shifts and this is in stock cars. When I do that my car zooms forward a bit
Powershifts yo
I have the same problem with my Civic SI OP. It's my first stick and I've had it for about for about 4 months, but the rev hang sucks ass.
I have to choose between shifting smoothly or accelerating at a normal speed. I think I've put about 1.5k miles on it and it's still difficult to do both at the same time.
Is it bad that I don't give a fuck about shifting smoothly? I mean, I don't dump it, but I don't mind a little jerk when shifting.
Ye
Why? I don't like taking more than a second to release the clutch between shifts. Makes me feel like I'm roasting it needlessly
learn to revmatch, also look into your synchros they might be worn out.
also remember to be gentel with the clutch especially on downshifts user, dont be too slow though that will wear your clutch a bit faster.
you will get it with time i guess
It's a brand new car thoughDoesn't that damage the car?
I've been driving for three months too, but I only get about an hour a week of practice.
What car do you drive user?
It's going to take longer than 3 months to learn to drive manual. Give it a year before you are comfortable. It takes time to develop the muscle memory which is the main thing.
Not all shifts are going to be smooth, as it's a man doing it and men aren't robots. Just take your time, take a breather, and don't get too anxious or scared. Stay calm and continue driving.
>mom says "drive my 5spd, you need practice"
>also says "im trying not to drive that car because I want to keep it in good condition so I can resell it :)))"
Worried I'm gonna fuck up on a hill start and roll back into a car tbqh lads
hand brake and ride the clutch
>ride the clutch
Thats the other thing im worried about doing considering she bought it with ~30k on the clock, it's got ~75k now and the clutch is still more or less pristine since my mom can drive a car with an MT perfectly
How do you expect to learn to drive without riding the clutch? Especially on hills. I'm sure your mom knows that otherwise she wouldn't let you fuck her clutch up
But everyone told me that riding the clutch is something that's so bad that I should be taken out back and shot for doing it
You won't fuck it up that quickly, they're made to be slipped. You'll be doing it every time you're in traffic.
its a clutch, its going to fuck out eventually, if she offered to teach you then she knows you may speed up that process.
its going to happen anyway, might as well teach you on the one thats done a fair few miles rather than the new one.
just do it ya pleb.
>you gotta start somewhere, kid
can't just learn how to do ANYTHING in one day perfectly
It's the rev hang that is fucking with you OP. I have driven manuel for years and rev hang in new cars makes me want to put a bullet through the ecu. No way to be smooth unless you want to wait ((years)) between every shift. It's fucking shit and I don't know why people don't get more upset about it.
That being said, if your goal is getting smoother just feel for how long you really need to wait and get the timing down, it isn't terribly hard once you recognize that the rev hang is what's fucking things up. And no do not try to shift like in those Japanese racing vids, it won't work for you in this situation.
Roger that, thanks fellas
>durr hurr kill yourself hurr
Just dont be a pussy and give your car more rpm
Faggot
You're letting go of the clutch too fast. When you want to shift gears, take your foot off the gas, push in the clutch pedal, quickly move the stick to the appropriate position, and then quickly bring up the clutch halfway and hold it there for half a second before letting go.
Take note: if you let go off the clutch completely when you shift gears (this is referred to as "dumping" the clutch) the car will jerk. Also, if when you shift gears you move your foot too slowly off the clutch, that can also cause the car to jerk because you're letting the revs fall so your car's inertia ends up bringing your car back up to speed.
I know I probably didn't explain this very well and I know that if I was reading this message while trying to learn I probably wouldn't understand...
*car's intertia ends up bringing your ENGINE back up to speed
Correction.
Go to a hill in a residential neighborhood where cars aren't going to queue up behind you and stress you out to practice. There's no secret to doing a hill start. All it is is knowing where your bite point is. Hot the foot brake and practice slowly bringing up the clutch to the bite point. Your goal should be to get a good idea of the maximum amount you can bring up the clutch pedal without stalling the car. You should feel the car start to vibrate a little when you're approaching the point of stalling. When your clutch is up as far as it will go without stalling, let go of the foot brake. If you did it right, the car shouldn't roll back. Start giving it gas and hold the clutch at the bite point a little longer than you would on a normal start. After enough practice you should get a feel for when it's okay to let it go.
When you think you have it down, you can practice driving in traffic a little. Don't stress out about trying to be fast. Focus on not stalling. It's especially important when you're learning to drive to get into the habit of anticipating when it's time to go. It becomes doubly important if you're on a hill to pay attention to the lights so that you can get ready to go in advance. I've been driving a manual car daily for over a year and on steep hills, I still work out my clutch a few seconds in advance of the light going green.
While it is good to learn to take off from a stop on a hill, you do need to keep in mind that some very steep inclines are impossible to not roll back on so you need to be quick on the gas. I find it's especially a problem when the road is unevenly paved or dotted in potholes because your car wants to slip over the bumps and crevices so you might need to use the handbrake in very rare cases (like if you're on a bad road and you have some car too close behind you).
Same. When I'm going fast in fourth or third and I pass a bunch of cars and then upshift I like the feel in my foot of the engine and transmission mashing together.
This sounds like genuine advice, I'll try this out one weekend morning thanks
>using the foot brake for a hill start
ban retards from driving
>hes so fucking stupid he needs a handbrake for hill starts
> he hasnt killed himself yet
>not just redlining and popping clutch
heh see you at the top rtrd
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Handbrake hill starts are pleb tier noob shite
1v1 me bitch
I found this to be the best advice I've come across for smooth gear changes.
Do you refrain from using the brakes, to keep the rotors and pads pristine too?
It's the exact same wear on the clutch whether you start with the handbrake up or with the brake pedal pressed down. Fucking retard.
Listen to my advice because its really fucking important.
You should shift as quickly as you can revmatch. That means that your shift times to make it smooth depend on the flywheel of the car and the weight of the moving parts. Of course if you are racing nobody cares that you shift faster, but if you wanna be smooth, you dont have to JUST shift quickly, you have to revmatch.
People use the clutch to shift gears?
He mentioned the accelerator and I got excited for a second but he was just explaining how you have to not let the revs drop too low, which can happen if you take too long to shift.
For me, I find that I get smooth shifts if I press on the accelerator pedal a certain way before shifting. Like a concentrated pressure on the pedal for a second. It's really weird and I don't know how to explain it but if I do it the right way I barely have to apply pressure to the stick and it "wants" to move into place.
hey ive had my fr-s for a few weeks too, also learning manual
it seems that these cars have a weird second gear thats a big change in ratio from first, although its not nearly as bad to shift second to third
the only things i found to work first to second is to either give it more throttle or pause the clutch pedal halfway
when did i mention anything about the clutch?
stay a shit driver
>People use the clutch to shift gears?
Most people, who don't tear-down and rebuild the engine and transmission after every drive, do. Jackass