/wtc/ - Witcher, Cyberpunk, Forced Memes - (/krw/, /cpg/, /fm/)

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I remember when someone uploaded a mod on nexus with Ciri covered in body graffiti calling her "Radovids Cum Bucket","Redanias whore",etc. Good times. Everyone on nexus got so upset, eventually leading to it's demise only a day later, may it rest in peace

Been wrapped up in Xcom 2 expansion and the new Gwent patch. Mostly Xcom though, only played 3 games for my daily on Gwent and then fucked off to go shoot more aliens. Unfortunately that also means I didn't play nearly enough to get a good handle on if the new patch is any good or not. It's certainly different at least. I threw together a mulligan squirrel deck and a meme Temeria deck (Because that's what matters) and won every game with them.

The vrihedd officers or brigade or whatever (The dudes that used to get buffed every time you mulliganned something) are really fucking iffy and I'll probably cut them next time I refine the deck. If they buffed all elves in your hand and deck they'd be good. Since they only buff elves that are in play they sort of suck. The other elf mulligan cavalry dudes however are really fucking strong, the ones that let you mulligan a card and then boost based on the power of the card you draw. Shit is nuts. The new Francesca is really powerful too since she can tutor any card she wants out of the deck and boosts it if it's a unit. New Eleyas is probably playable, especially with the new Francesca, but he's nothing super amazing and is kind of a smaller silver Ciri: Dash. Still not entirely sure how I feel about the new Saskia. Probably good. I may cut the blue mountain commandos I put in the deck for additional thinning and elf synergy but I'm not sure.

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Someone else will need to keep watch over the thread for a bit, heading off for a while.
Hang in there noble thread.

So this is what happens if you spare Loredo in TW2? feelsbadman

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Very lewd and rude. Poor girls.

Good night, wtc. Carry that weight.

I just fought Letho in TW2. Aard was more useful than I remembered. Fun fight, wish it was longer. Geralt vs. Olgierd is still better as it is.

For the first time ever I encountered a weird glitch. Roche spawned there before I even talked to Letho. He rushed out and started hacking at Iorveth while I escorted him to the ruins. He couldn't do any damage but it was very amusing.

I'll do it but I won't enjoy it.

Choice and consequence. Bravo Marcin.

>implying he wouldn't keep them as sex slaves

Ok to keep the thread alive, what are choices you have never and will ever take in a Witcher game? I just got hrough the first Letho part in TW2 and like every other time I couldn't bring myself to have Geralt totally fuck Iorveth over after his help. So I gave him back his sword, like I always have.

I don't like giving Iorveth his sword there even when i do a Iorveth path playthrough. You can still rescue him later and at least there are no riots and non-human lynching in Flotsam.

I don't like to use knowledge of future events to make decisions. I try to roleplay.

I don't know, man. Seeing all those innocent dwarves and elves getting killed in the streets makes me really sad and i feel like it's my fault and i could have prevented it. ;_;

That's the Witcher for you.

>and i feel like it's my fault and i could have prevented it. ;_;
this is how I feel about TW3's main plot

What do you mean, did you get the bad ending?

No I blame myself for how TW3 turned out overall. If I and people like me weren't mindless fanboys they might have made better choices ;_;

>tfw no Witcher: Total War mod for Medieval II

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>picking shani in tw1
>going anything bu neutral in tw1
>not saving triss in tw2(technically I did try going with roche/iorveth to see what happens, but not in a real playthrough

Other than that, I think I did all the other choices at one point.

10/10 roleplaying tbqh

can't compete with Europa Barbarorum anyway. I want to play Master of Magic as Vilgefortz myself.

The way that fat pig touches Triss' belly upsets me.

You're too late. The seed has been planted and soon will burst into flame, as the old elf witch foretold.

Is the enhanced edition out yet

I want to lead my glorious Nilfgaard's Imperial Legions as far North as Dragon mountains, crushing all nordling resistance in my way.

Trying out different choices across multiple playthroughs was fun, but now that I saw them all, my Geralt is defined. From now on, I think I'll make the same choices in my future playthroughs. And somehow, my the choices I made on my blind playthroughs remain my favorites usually.

Luckily, Triss' womb is like a shriveled plum. But there something bout the way he touches her I find disturbing.

Tremors is breaking the game right now.

Current meta = whoever gets the most mileage out of tremors wins.

CDPR is really fucking doing a number on Gwent.

What game that they've made ever gave the impression that they were good at balance?

>alternate universe TW3
>save import actually does shit
>starting party varies depending on what you imported

>Always there: Vesemir
>Import save where Siegfried is alive and he joins you. Either he was never grandmaster in the first place and you ran into him on the way, or he left the order when Radovid went crazy.
>Import save where Triss is saved and she's there at the start. Otherwise she's in Novigrad like before.
>Import Iorveth path: Iorveth is there either way, but he has ulterior motives hoping that Geralt looking into Yennefer will help him fuck up Nilfgaard and Philippa.
>import Roche path: If Roche is exiled then he's with you, otherwise it's Ves.

What else should change?

Don't know about this man, i like travelling alone

the quests would still mostly be Geralt, just like in the first two games. Just now there's time for character and plot development to be logical. since time doesn't have to stand still to wait for the PC's mary sue self insert to show up and do everything.

True. Probably should not have had the hopes I did for Gwent.

How's it doing financially, any idea? Because a game like this is made or broken by balance. They can't squeak by purely on inertia and production values like they can with a story game.

Cuz they want me to pay for it.

Noone cares if an RPG is broken but their broken card game is costing them real money.

No idea. They haven't brought up anything regarding the kind of money it's made. They do a song and dance about how the game is doing well and the community is vibrant yadda yadda but that of course is vague enough they can get away with saying whatever they want.

If Gwent fails we will have a Witcher 4 announcement by 2019. But would that be a good thing or a bad thing?

Keep in mind that announcement will mean the release will be in 2029. They just want to announce it because they sat down and agreed to make the game, they haven't even got any design documents yet.

>Keep in mind that announcement will mean the release will be in 2029.
No it will be a rush job. Too much money blown on Cyberpunk vaporwear and children's card games.

Good point, I didn't fully think that through. I look forward to a new witcher protagonist with one block for Legos and one block for Megabloks on his back.

I could actually see them go the worst of all possible worlds. A (female only) player created character that is a witcher and isn't Ciri. In a prequel.

>Steel for Humans one of my favorite tracks in TW3
>hear it called "Banana Tiger" once
>Can never stop hearing that in the lyrics
>Can't listen to it ever again without cracking up
fuck you /wtc/

>Battle soundtrack for the swamp near the Ladies of the Woods' place is an old bulgarian song for a festival in which men are supposed to ask young maidens to marry them
Poetry

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War resolution needs to be shown better

Be more specific. What would you actually change?

>tfw no brief sequences controlling Radovid and Emhyr like in TW2

in an ideal scenario, I'd like a big battle between the North and Nilfgaard and Geralt owuld be caught in the middle of it all and his actions during the battle could tip the scales in each favor. You can meet Rad and Emhyr and they both have something to demand and something to offer in return for your help(something that could affect the battle with the hunt or the personal fate or certain characters), Dijkstra would work in the background trying to sabotage both and seize power for himself. After it's over, depending who won, you'd see them take over Novigrad and the consequences of the victory and how it affects the world and people could be different for each side

This seems interesting. I look forward to seeing the whole NoClip series.

youtube.com/watch?v=zssb4SDRnbU

How would that happen though? TW2 required pretty specific circumstances for Geralt to matter at Vergen.

I don't know. Let's say Radovid would enter Novigrad first and take it over like he does anyway and then Emhyr would start a siege of the city. Geralt would be caught in the city at the time. So maybe Radovid would have a task for him to sneak out and sabotage Nilfs in some way, or Dijkstra would offer something similar to sabotage both. Then you''d meet Emhyr and he's have his own offer. Maybe each of them holds a different resource that can be used agaisnt the Hunt. Maybe Radovid would offers to release captured Lodge members, or Emhyr wold offer his troops or Dijkstra something unique too(this needs to be thought of better, I can't come up with it on top of my head). Depending on which resource you secure, it would affect the battle with the Hunt and maybe which character dies or how the final battle goes, even the ending...

>Let's say Radovid would enter Novigrad first and take it over like he does anyway a
They never did explain this or even have any characters remark on it.

Which is a shame. In the beginning it's said that Novigrad has the power to tip the scales of war and that both Rad and Emhyr want it. But Novigrad is a free city supposedly and doesn't want to take sides. Then suddenly Radovid is there somehow with no explanation. It just shows that they didn't care much aobut exploring that storyline, which is strange considering that the war gets a pretty good introduction in the beginning.

It's like the first third of the game was made by entirely different people. Velen feels like an act in TW2 and is as good as anything in any game. Nothing later comes close to that level of pathos or nuanced story telling.

I enjoyed parts of the Novigrad storyline too although it had some weak parts that dragged on, but still, I think it's pretty great overall. Skellige's main story is strangely short, the KM section was also good, but then it kind of feels rushed until the end and a lot of things get sidelined and barely explained, the war being one of them

Massive cuts and rewrites caused by throwing money at populating the open world and basic redesigns of fundamental gameplay and plot progression. There's still signs of the largely level-less world and nonlinear campaign they originally planned in the game, like being able to just head to Skellige immediately and get one-shot by everything. Remember the first long gameplay trailer where Dijkstra sends Geralt to check out Velen? Used to be the story could progress from any hub to any hub. That's a lot of work and the money and time don't come back just because you scrapped it before you were finished.

Their choices are still weird to me though. Cut Iorveth and the Wild Hunt segments so you can prioritize monster hunts in lower Velen. Seriously?

I don't think the filler content necessarily replaced the main story stuff. I read in some interview that the question marks were added in between the last delay and the final release because the world seemed empty. By that time the main story was pretty much done I'd think. Although I remember that gameplay trailer with Dijkstra, which indicates different story progression was there late in the development. I don't know what to think other that they maybe bite more than they can chew and had to make cuts in order to stay within reasonable release date and not cause uproar by delaying the game more. there was also that downgrade stuff and maybe they wanted to avoid more bad publicity.

Realistically looking, all these complaints are done by the small hardcore fanbase, majority of people didn't even notice them or cared and the game got universal praise so business wise CDPR made a great decision.

>I don't think the filler content necessarily replaced the main story stuff.
Sure it did. Any money and time used on that could have been used on main story instead. It's either that or CDPR suck at writing. But we know they can write. They've done it before.

>Realistically looking, all these complaints are done by the small hardcore fanbase, majority of people didn't even notice them or cared and the game got universal praise so business wise CDPR made a great decision.
This is a common mistake. The hardcore fanbase is always the only one that cares. The other people buy what they're told. They'd not have noticed if they catered to the core fans any more than they noticed them abandoning the core fans. In the short term it works out the same but the hardcore fans are the ones that still talk about the games years later and are the main generators of word of mouth. You can abandon your original fanbase and do well after you're established...for awhile. But the inertia doesn't last forever. Just ask Bioware.

>Sure it did. Any money and time used on that could have been used on main story instead.
I don't think it's that simple. There is a big difference in adding some random points of interest with generic content and doing major changes to the main story. The later requires far more man power, resources and time. Writers, animators, voice actors, quest designers and so on...The question marks could be added for cheap and by smaller number of people that wouldn't necesserally be needed for the main story anyway.

I'm just saying that the cuts that happened in the main story aren't related to the addition of question marks but rather the lack of time imo.

> The hardcore fanbase is always the only one that cares
That is true, but the hardcore fanbase often nitpicks too much and has unrealistic requests. And even among the hardcore fanbase there are conflicts about what they want to see more of. It would be impossible to please all.

>I don't think it's that simple. There is a big difference in adding some random points of interest with generic content and doing major changes to the main story.
The POIs were only one of their latest panic mode attempts to fill in the open world. There were way more shitty side quests and monster hunts than that, all because of the size of the world. Combine that with having at least a couple of major rewrites where main plot had to be changed or removed, and it's easy to see why the thing is in tatters.

>I'm just saying that the cuts that happened in the main story aren't related to the addition of question marks but rather the lack of time imo.
Those issues are all related. They didn't have enough time because they were obsessed with being bigger than Skyrim. They lost all focus.

>That is true, but the hardcore fanbase often nitpicks too much and has unrealistic requests. And even among the hardcore fanbase there are conflicts about what they want to see more of. It would be impossible to please all.
True, but they've displeased most. After TW2 do you really think the plot having some basic coherence is an unrealistic expectation? Did you seriously expect that, say, Iorveth would never even be mentioned in TW3?

You're just fairly satisfied because one of the only things they added to the base game post release was more Triss.

>The POIs were only one of their latest panic mode attempts to fill in the open world.
But they were cheap and easy to add. Whatever cuts the main story suffered were pretty much done at that point. Another factor I think was the power of the new consoles. When they started working on TW3 they had no idea what kind of power PS4 and Xbox will have. Them being under-powered forced some changes, like switching the main battle from Novigrad to Skellige, changing graphics and whatnot. That must have cost them, both the time and money and it definitely affected the story conclusion. You do make a good point about the world size and side content. Sacrificing some of it for the main story resource wise could have worked.

>True, but they've displeased most.
I don't think this is true. The game is very well accepted and praised even among the hardcore fans despite most of them having a few complaints ranging from the Hunt portrayal, better politics, lack of TW2 consequences, more Yen/Ciri time, more Triss, Iorveth...

Those disappointments weren't enough to ruin the general experience for most, myself included. I had big expectations for TW2 consequences and that was one of my biggest disappointments. Trying to make the game standalone hurt the trilogy coherence. Sure, I hoped to see Iorveth, Saskia, Roche, Henselt...but I can't lie, I still enjoy the game without it.

After release, when the time for complaints was right and when there was still a chance for changes, most people didn't express their concerns loud enough. Sure, people complained about those issues but not enough of them did and not in the right way imo. The only thing they addressed was Triss due to the sheer power of persistent waifu autism we threw at them. If other issues were advocated for that passionately, maybe they would add an EE. But the reality is, not enough people care and for most the game is a masterpiece as is.

Well, that is true. I can't lie. That was the thing I personally advocated for strongly and vocally and of course I'm glad they listened. Still, that doesn't mean I didn't want other things to be added and that I didn't support them too. I really wish they did an EE.

What's your major malfucntion you filthy partisans!?

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watching my backlog of GoT, the more I notice the similarities between the settings of TW3 and the TV show

How so? I recently binge watched the whole series from 1-7 and I don't notice much similarities other than the obvious medieval like setting and power struggle.

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>I don't think this is true. The game is very well accepted and praised even among the hardcore fans
I think most of the complainers have just given up and moved on. There were a lot back in the day, especially closer to release. Drowned out by the constant outpouring of praise by bought journalists and clueless newfags of course, but it was there. A sign of things to come.

>After release, when the time for complaints was right and when there was still a chance for changes, most people didn't express their concerns loud enough
Except for the waifufags. They won't save them forever though.

>But the reality is, not enough people care and for most the game is a masterpiece as is.
We live in a world where TW2 is considered unplayable and TW3 is a masterpiece. Gamers are idiots.

You're right, they both have nonsensical soap opera plots.

Talking to the Trissfag never fails to make my outlook towards CDPR get even more depressing. So back to positive stuff.

The Eternal Battle is a great set piece. Blew me away when the whole clusterfuck started after Henselt murdered that priest. Did not see that coming.

>There were a lot back in the day, especially closer to release.
The thing is, there never was enough of it to warrant changes and the people complaining didn't have the right approach imo. I was there since day one of TW3 release and even prior to that participating and reading discussions. I saw all the complaints and I even complained myself.

>Except for the waifufags.
We sure did. I'll always be proud of our Triss thread and what it achieved.

>We live in a world where TW2 is considered unplayable and TW3 is a masterpiece.
I barf in my mouth every time I read how TW2 is shit, has too much politics and how only TW3 is worth playing.

>Talking to the Trissfag never fails to make my outlook towards CDPR get even more depressing.
Kek. Trust me, CDPR will do fine. Cyberpunk will be amazing and even that Gwent SP campaign stuff looks kind of interesting.

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>and the people complaining didn't have the right approach imo.
Should have started massive megathreads where they wrote bitched constantly inbetween writing songs and Iorveth fanfic?

>Kek. Trust me, CDPR will do fine.
If Cyberpunk turns out to be a watered down generic open world experience they have another 10 years before they hit their Mass Effect: Andromeda. Until then they'll experience success, but the signs will continue to build and they'll have an underwhelming release or two that while successful, perform less than they were supposed to. Word of mouth and opinion of hardcore fans will gradually turn against them.

Gwent is proceeding as I thought it would and will be a failure.

I just wish I'd bitched more back in the day instead of defending them. I never asked for an Enhanced Edition because I didn't think it needed to be asked. I just assumed they'd do it, since they'd done it before. I even defended the downgrade...

I am genuinely sadded by the evergrowing deadness of this general

It was inevitable. TW2 threads were lively for several years because there was so much to dissect and there was an oncoming release to anticipate. Neither is true for TW3.

Add constructive criticism and concrete suggestions and examples of what to change, sugarcoat it with CDPR love and yeah, you have a recipe for success.

Call me a fool, but I'm very optimistic about Cyberpunk. I don't play Gwent but I saw the trailer for the recent SP campaign and I kind of liked it.

>I just wish I'd bitched more back in the day instead of defending them.
I never really gave a fuck about the downgrade stuff, but I did express my opinions on whatever bothered me after the release alongside my praise.

who is this qt?

>Add constructive criticism and concrete suggestions and examples of what to change, sugarcoat it with CDPR love and yeah, you have a recipe for success.
I wonder if one day you'll look back at things like this and realize how fucking delusional you were. Like I did when I remember saying that Ciri wasn't a Mary Sue at all and her motives are totally consistent in TW3

>Call me a fool, but I'm very optimistic about Cyberpunk.
Cyberpunk spoilers Triss Merigold will not be in Cyberpunk 2077

No idea, maybe some chick form CDPR.

Nah. I truly believe what I'm saying. You can still find that thread. The OP has everything I talk about. I think we made an excellent case and I'm proud of our collective achievement as well as grateful to CDPR for listening. To me that meant a lot and made my experience with the game even more immersive. I must be grateful to CDPR for it. Not to mention that some of it spilled over at BaW and we got our waifushack. I'm a waifufag true and true and those tiny nods to the romance as well as the epilogue talk were something I welcomed with a smile. That doesn't mean I don't think BaW main story was kind of shit.