Electric dd

EV owners of Veeky Forums... yes, all 2 of you
I do 100k km a year and I mostly do them in my daily commute (about 100 km)
in summer I make 500km trips back and forth every weekend
occasionally I go to Poland or Germany (from northern Italy) for work, but that's rare (around 1400 km trips)
I have a diesel ford focus that averages 7l/100km because every weekend my dickhead son takes it and consumes more than I do, the poor little shit
all in all I spend about 10.5 grand every year in diesel fuel (fuck me, right?)
the car itself cost me 19k because I gave ford my old car

now

if I got pic related, it would cost me about 34 grand BUT it would save me (provided that it actually costs €0.043 every km) around €5500 every year, making it as expensive as the ford after just 3 years, not taking into account that the recharges done at my job would cost less due to them going on the budget of the company (which I own)
this would mean that I'd have to take the pain in the ass of recharging an ev every 380km (making trips to Poland rather... interesting)

the main question is: how much does an ev deteriorate after 4 years?
my cars last 400k km, can I do that in a crappy Renault Zoe?

They offer batteries for rent, but idk if they accept to rent them to someone cranking out 100 thousand km every year and idk if that's convenient

does any of you own ev's and can tell me if they'd be worth it in my case?
there's a chance of saving upwards of 5 grand every year, but idk if the car will even work when it will start saving me money

or do you reckon a hybrid would benefit me most?
in that case, which hybrid?

>I own a business
>I am smart enough to know what I can write off and what I can't
>But I need some edgy internet Americans who's expertise lies in identifying a femenine benis to validate some simple calculations and do some googling for me.

Perplexing.

no, what I'm asking is direct experience with ev's that I'm already gathering elsewhere, but I wanted your input too
I want to know how the car is after 300k km/3 years to know if it makes sense getting one

still waiting for ev owners of Veeky Forums (or people of Veeky Forums who know ev owners) to give their inputs

I guess no one here has an ev after all

Renault has an "unlimited milage" plan. It probably kills batteries. Dunno if you really can do 100k a year there are probably limitations. Maybe they get money from small users to pay for big users.

Zoe batteries last 200 or 300km (old ones), 400km announced for the last version. Some journalists got 393km but no one had more than 400km. It's also pretty slow to charge.

imo it's not interesting.

Use plane and rent shitboxes in Poland or Germany

EV driver here, Fit EV in Burgerland.

>the main question is: how much does an ev deteriorate after 4 years?
The main one is going to be the battery, there's not a whole lot mechanically to worry about. Depending on your climate and driving conditions expect to lose range over the life of the battery. Batteries are getting better but there will be loss over time, there's no getting around it. The degree at which you will loose capacity is hard to say since there's so many different factors, but entropy is a bitch. What I would recommend is whatever the maximum distance of your long trips are, make sure you have at least 20-30 km or so of remaining range so you have some protection.

>my cars last 400k km, can I do that in a crappy Renault Zoe?
There's very little to break on EVs assuming the manufacture's quality control and general quality are up to snuff. As long as the battery holds up relatively well (most do and the car makers usually give you a really good warranty) there's not much to go wrong. What I will say is you might not want to own this car outright, because depending on the market and tech advances they will start depreciating pretty fast. I don't know how financing works in Europe but lease options are pretty popular here in the states so you aren't holding the bag. Alternatively if you're seeing this as an investment and don't care about getting a ton of money back when you resell it then you can buy it presuming your lifestyle won't change too much down the line and become incompatible with the cars capabilities.

>there's a chance of saving upwards of 5 grand every year, but idk if the car will even work when it will start saving me money

Figure out when your break even period is with all factors considered, this is a long term investment.

Plug in Hyrbids are awesome, I recently test drove a Honda Clarity plug-in. Basically, a plug-in hybrid typically has an electric drive train, electric motors and a good size battery with a gas motor that can generate power for the motor and charge the battery.

In the Clarity's case you have a range of 47 miles (75 km) on avg of pure electric driving before the gas engine kicks in and starts charging. After that you have about 340 miles (547 km) or so of total range. The cool part is the car can run off gas alone, so you don't have to worry about range anxiety and you're still getting really good fuel economy. The best case scenario is your commute to work and back primarily uses the battery, and you save the gas for longer trips. Being able to charge at work (or at home) means depending on distance you could drive most days without ever using any gas. I don't know the EU market too well, but the main plug ins I would look at from an American standpoint are the Chevy Volt, the Honda Clarity, and the Ioniq Plug-in.

Before jumping on the EV bandwagon, I would look at something larger and more practical. See if you can find a used Opel Ampera and use that before jumping to an EV.
The Ampera (known in the US as the Chevy Volt) uses an electric motor to drive the wheels. The EV range is about 40 miles (64 km), after which, a 1.4L gas engine kicks in to generate electricity for the electric motor, enabling you to take long trips in it.
Using an Ampera/Volt would be a good stepping stone to decide if an EV would be right for you.