I never post on this board but why isn't everyone fawning over the superiority...

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

I never post on this board but why isn't everyone fawning over the superiority of diesel cars like they should?

There is literally no downside to running on diesel and it's cheaper in many places of the world.

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PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

REV

Illusionz
Illusionz

CANCER

Dreamworx
Dreamworx

Diesel is actually more expensive in the US though. Shit sucks.

Booteefool
Booteefool

Do you have a single real argument?

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cum2soon
cum2soon

no downside

Heavier, much slower to reach operating temperature, much more cold sensitive, doesnt like short drives, increased regulation in Europe, not as "balanced", useless for modern vehicles without a turbo, slower to raise RPM/less responsive

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

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Playboyize
Playboyize

much slower to reach operating temperature, much more cold sensitive
Are you from 1960? They fixed those issues 2 decades ago.

Heavier
Who cares. It manages to consume less than gasoline engines.

doesnt like short drives
useless for modern vehicles without a turbo
Complete non issue.

increased regulation in Europe
Because the petro industry doesn't like diminished returns from Europeans favoring diesel for smaller cars as well as trucks.

slower to raise RPM/less responsive
No one cares unless you enjoy driving recklessly and street racing.

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CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Engine Longevity
Excellent for towing
Great Fuel economy
Can use alternative fuel if you're a liberal hippy
Much easier to fix and repair due to design simplicity
Much more reliable on the long term, can last for decades
Readily available since truckers use those anyway

Downsides
Emits a bit more noise and smoke which makes sensitive hipsters upset

Snarelure
Snarelure

Are you from 1960? They fixed those issues 2 decades ago.
Didnt say it was an issue. We're comparing gas to diesel, no?
Who cares. It manages to consume less than gasoline engines.
Impacts driving characteristics, brake wear/stopping distance
Complete non issue.
No they arent. Short drives where it doesnt get to warm up or "recharge" the battery aint healthy. Turbo isnt detrimental or anything, but it is a system that petrols can work without fine in modern cars.
Because the petro industry doesn't like diminished returns from Europeans favoring diesel for smaller cars as well as trucks
Thats still a fucking downside
No one cares unless you enjoy driving recklessly and street racing
Except those who want a more responsive engine?

We're comparing here. I'm not saying that there is anything wrong with diesels, I'm just listing where petrol/gas does it better

PurpleCharger
PurpleCharger

After driving a 6.7 Cummins all day it feels nice going back to a gas engine. The on/off switch like throttle on most diesels is really annoying. It's either slow and no power or speeding. Also not getting a facefull of pig piss vape every time you get out is pretty nice

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

Except those who want a more responsive engine?
Why would you trade durability, fuel economy and DIY maintenance for negligible improvements in response if you don't confuse your car for a racing vehicle?

Illusionz
Illusionz

The only real cars that are offered in the US are gasoline, there are so few deisel cars that only VW and some german cars are actually deisel. Everything else is a diesel truck, big rig that sort of thing.

Also Diesel is more expensive than gasoline in the US, any advantage won't over come the fact that you're paying like 20-30 cents per gallon more over regular

farquit
farquit

20-30 cents more
That's not too bad actually. It's at least 60 cents more where I live. Depending on the station it costs at least as much as premium gas

Inmate
Inmate

durability
An engine being cared for and not driven by a retard will be durable wether it runs on gas or diesel
fuel economy
Because you need to make a little sacrifice to achieve better things? Come on, this is an autoboard. Not everybody has pulling out as many MPGs as possible as their interest. Besides, modern engines drink little enough fuel, the economical difference between diesel and gas isnt all that big
DIY maintenance
Are you saying that gas engines arent maintanable on your own? Or at the very least; what makes a diesel so much more self-serviceable?

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

Also Diesel is more expensive than gasoline in the US
Sucks to be American.

any advantage won't over come the fact that you're paying like 20-30 cents per gallon more over regular
The increase in economy on average is more significant

Poker_Star
Poker_Star

well its actually pretty bad because unless your car gets a ludicrous amount of mpg over a gasoline you're basically pissing away your mpg advantage so at that point on a passenger car there isn't really a benefit. Not to mention your heavily limited selection of diesel cars in the US

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

The increase in economy on average is more significant
Not really, like I said you can pick certain VW, Mercedes and Audis thats really it.

Methnerd
Methnerd

No they arent. Short drives where it doesnt get to warm up or "recharge" the battery aint healthy
I used to daily drive an old jap diesel(car was from 2000 but the engine design was like 90-93 or so).
Commute distance to work was like 5 miles, have never had a battery issue or engine issue.
Had that car till like a year ago and for the ~5 years I owned it the only things I've had to change are oil/liquids, a timing belt, some suspension parts that had worn out and a power steering cable that had cracked in the cold.

Emberfire
Emberfire

Modern diesels need 5 computers and a 12'' bundle of wires to run. If even one of your emission system sensors shits the bed it'll put your shit into limp mode.

t. has done several hours with truck buzzers screaming at you while doing 30mph down the highway

being forced to drive with the superior fuel
a bad thing

That "economy" is going to be erased by your first emission system repair.

Evilember
Evilember

durability and DIY maintenance
Hate to break it to you but modern diesels are a fucking nightmare, and I've been driving diesels for like 10 years now.
DPF
Turbo
Injectors and high pressure pump
While petrol cars have injectors too they are way less expensive and require less pressure which equals less wear overall.

RavySnake
RavySnake

The increase in economy on average is more significant
Except its not, the Jetta TDI gets 31-46mph. A civic 32-42. That extra 5mpg on the highway isn't worth the added cost in fuel.

No they arent. Short drives where it doesnt get to warm up or "recharge" the battery aint healthy.
Dude the alternator recharges your battery, I've never heard of a car having a battery die because their car didn't warm up

StonedTime
StonedTime

Are you saying that gas engines arent maintanable on your own?
Modern gas engines aren't. You talk like you haven't opened a hood in 2 decades and looked at the ungodly mess they have become.

Or at the very least; what makes a diesel so much more self-serviceable?
Diesels use a single master fuel pump, and there is no spark system

ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Jetta TDI gets 31-46mpg. A civic 32-42.

Fucking hell. Falling for the small engine/diesel meme....

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eGremlin
eGremlin

omg spark plugs and a fuel pump
you can't possible replace a fuel pump on your gas engine, you can't replace plugs wow so ez thanks diesel

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

Spark plugs and fuel pump are the parts that breaks all the time and mechanics have to deal with the most.

Getting rid of them is a blessing.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

No they fucking don't. I can't remember the last time I had to change a fucking spark plug and its been 30 fucking years of owning cars. This isn't the 70's you fucking cherry picking moron.

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

Err you do realise you're confusing thermal efficiency with fuel efficiency? The fuel efficiency of a car depends on power, weight, drag, gearing etc etc

The only advantage diesel has is more torque when pulling heavy loads. In that instance only is when they are guaranteed to be more efficient than a petrol motor.

Tldr; you're a faggot

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Nude_Bikergirl
Nude_Bikergirl

Early 90's japanese diesel means it was almost certainly an "old type" diesel with a mechanical pump, and no EGR - which is what shits up these engined. These engines also were way more inefficient than the diesels of today, heating up alot quicker. Because the fuel systems were mechanical you also had alot less draw from the battery

5 miles is also plenty, even here in the arctic circle mid-winter. Its the ones that do barely a mile from a -20c start two times per day that gets fucked

What temps did you mostly drive in?

alternator recharges your battery
No shit Sherlock - but it needs time to do any significant charging. Add that with the fact that diesels draw more power on startup + glowplugs than gas engines and you can figure out why it can cause issues

Booteefool
Booteefool

No shit Sherlock - but it needs time to do any significant charging.
No it doesn't, the car idling is more than enough for the alternator to charge a battery. Does the alternator push 14v idling? Yes? Oh man your battery is fine!

Boy_vs_Girl
Boy_vs_Girl

The only advantage diesel has
t. stuck with a gas shitbox for the next 10 years

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

It charges right away, sure - that doesnt mean it magically tops up your battery in seconds, ESPECIALLY when the temperatures are going below freezing.

haveahappyday
haveahappyday

holy fuck you are literally retarded, the battery charges fucking fine. Your starter constantly cranking it before your alternator isn't able to charge the fucking battery.

iluvmen
iluvmen

that doesnt mean it magically tops up your battery in seconds,
Yes actually it does. The alternator pushes way more voltage than the battery uses in one fucking start. Within seconds your battery is fine. I've never heard of this "issue" with diesel engines or any car. They use the same batteries, the same starters, the same alternators. Nothing fucking changes here

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

Ok, I'll go a bit more into it in an attempt to make you understand.

Battery holds electric charge
Starter takes some charge to start engine
Engine runs alternator
Alternator charges battery

What happens when one doesnt drive far enough to let the alternator recharge what was drained on startup?

So why is it a very common thing up here when people commute very short distances and also dont charge their batteries with a seperate charger?

SniperGod
SniperGod

You are fucking retarded, this is bait. There is NO way your starter will pull on the battery SO hard the car's alternator doesn't immediately out do it in 30 seconds.

why is it a common thing
Its fucking not you're making bullshit up by pulling anecdotes out of your ass like "oh why does it happen to people"

BlogWobbles
BlogWobbles

Do you really believe that? Because I had my car running every day for 10 minutes right before the summer (so it wasn't a weather issue), before I got my driver's license and drove it in the yard. After a week the battery was depleted. And that was a brand new battery rated with higher CCA than stock.

StonedTime
StonedTime

What happens when one doesnt drive far enough to let the alternator recharge what was drained on startup?
If this was true then it has nothing to do with what type of engine you have and it has more to do with the fact that you're apparently starting and stopping your car every 30 seconds.

FastChef
FastChef

Do you really believe that?
Holy fuck go plug a multimeter onto the terminals on your battery then your alternator and you can easily see how LITTLE the battery is being used vs how much the alternator is pushing. Your alternator will ALWAYS charge your battery faster than it can use electricity. If it didn't then your car would die mid travel.

because I have an anecdote that goes against every norm, my anecdote is totally verified and I couldn't possibly be engineering a story to support my claim pls believe me

Spamalot
Spamalot

It leads back to diesels being both cold sensitive. The colder it is the more it resists starting, the glow plugs have to run longer, the battery itself isnt at its peak. All these things, coupled together with short distances, beats up your battery

w8t4u
w8t4u

This is literally MINIMAL

For a Civic-sized engine (1.8 liters), this US DOE worksheet estimates about 0.3 US gallon/hour fuel consumption at idle.

Here is a conservative starter calculation:

The Civic starter is rated at 1.0 kW (83A×

12V). A 3 second start therefore produces 3 kJ. Assume an additional 25% in battery internal dissipation that must be replaced.
As you note, this energy must be replenished by the ICE (internal combustion engine). Max ICE efficiency is only 30%. The incremental efficiency, which is what matters for this small additional load, is no doubt higher, but I’ll use 25% as a conservative estimate.

Alternator efficiency is not great either; I’ll use a conservative 50%.

With these values, it requires 3.0 kJ×

(1.25 / 0.25 / 0.5) = 30 kJ worth of fuel to recharge the battery (Note the overall charging efficiency is only 10%!).

Now, the energy density of gasoline is 120 MJ per US gallon (42.4 MJ/kg), so the amount of fuel required to recharge the battery, including all the inefficiencies, is 30 kJ ÷

120 MJ/gal = 0.00025 US gallon.

So, the “crossover” idle time in this case, above which it is more efficient to stop and restart, is 0.00025 gal ÷
0.3 gal/hour ≊ 8.3 ×10−4 hours, or about 3 seconds.

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

No one cares unless you enjoy driving recklessly and street racing.
You're on an auto enthusiast board.
What the fuck did you expect.
If fuel economy is your priority, get a bus pass and a bike, and fuck off back to /n/ where you belong

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CouchChiller
CouchChiller

wow btfo

JunkTop
JunkTop

I want next time when you get in your car to test your theory. Just to prove it. I want you to start the car and every time measure how long it takes after it starts cranking until the engine is running. Then take that time and add 50% to it, just to smooth out the errors. See if the car will ever run out of battery.

whereismyname
whereismyname

no your physics are wrong go measure it yourself

Spazyfool
Spazyfool

oh and just add 50% extra time because I said so and I don't want to admit I'm fucking wrong

Lunatick
Lunatick

gets btfo
gets mad and makes up more arbitrary shit

happy_sad
happy_sad

I am saying that world isn't perfect and if it this works I would be impressed.

Bidwell
Bidwell

its not perfect
Man its like I already knew that and purposely underestimated by efficiencies by giving the battery a 10% efficiency in charging against the rest of the system. Wow I must just be completely wrong, math isn't real and physics is all made up.

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TreeEater
TreeEater

I am not arguing his math isn't right, or some shit. It is just that theory and practice are two different things, if you weren't retarded, you would have seen that I am not the tripfag that was arguing.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

I'll admit to not being the greatest physicist or mathmatician, but I think I understand well enough. Does your calculation take into account such things as power draw from the rest of the car, the fact that a cold engine is even less effective than the 25%, and that batteries cant just have power poured into them like water, aka how you might plug a 15a charger to a motorcycle battery, but the battery would charge just as fast with a 4a charger

Evilember
Evilember

You are arguing against the math, I've drastically underestimated EVERY single thing in the system on what it takes to recharge a battery using conservative estimates and yet you won't admit you're wrong because you're a fucking retard making up shit.

And apparently I'm retarded for proving you wrong in every conceivable way. Fuck off back to the autism institute of bullshit.

SniperWish
SniperWish

and fuck off back to /n/ where you belong
How do you know I post there

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ZeroReborn
ZeroReborn

Does your calculation take into account such things as power draw from the rest of the car
Yes actually we can figure that out too.

Now suppose an air conditioner is consuming 1 kW of electrical power Which is a fucking lot considering the compressor doesn't use anywhere near that much.

With the engine running, the A/C requires (via the alternator) an additional engine fuel consumption equivalent to 1 kW / 0.5 / 0.25 = 8 kW, or 29 MJ/hour, or 0.24 gal/hour of gasoline. For a duration t

the total fuel consumption with the engine running is (0.3 + 0.24)t = 0.54t (with t
in hours).
With the engine stopped, the A/C still consumes 1 kW, or 3.6 MJ per hour. With that low 10% charging efficiency, it requires 36 MJ worth of fuel (or 0.3 gal) to recharge an hour’s worth of A/C operation. Adding in the starter contribution, the total fuel requirement is 0.00025 + 0.3t
(with t again in hours).

Equating these two new fuel requirements, the crossover time with the A/C on increases, but only to about 4 seconds.

You could be running nearly everything in your car that draws electricity which idk why you ever would ALL at the same time and this time to recoupe wouldn't break 30 seconds.

TechHater
TechHater

I have not made any fucking claims to being right, retard. I just came in the thread and asked you to this, just to test your theory.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

and that batteries cant just have power poured into them like water
Yes! and today we have smart alternators that regulate their charge rate against the battery. If they didn't then the battery would overheat and probably catch fire. This rate is usually 5A/h which is a little more than the battery will use keeping it topped off at virtually all times.

The only instances where your car won't start and won't recharge is if your alternator is bad which has nothing to do with what you're proposing, your battery is bad and won't accept a charge anymore which has nothing to do with what you're proposing. So in essence, your car would fail to start due to electricity shortage because your car's parts are old and need replacing.

Fried_Sushi
Fried_Sushi

Then it becomes even weirder, because as said above it really is an issue here. Now, it is generally a good bit colder here than most of the world, but if it should be topped off in under ten seconds then it should be fine no matter what

Lets take this Suzuki as an example. Gets driven 1.5 miles twice a day each day through the winter. Usually idles about 5 minutes before each drive. 2 year old Exide battery in good condition, running charge at 13.8, 2.0 diesel. Even with two weeks of barely -5c/23f it will start to noticeably lack power after 10-11 days, requiring an overnight charge to start reliably again

This only became a problem when it switched departments. It used to drive about 7 miles twice per day, where half of those miles were on steeper sections, requiring a lower gear. Back then it ran the whole winter on a smaller battery without ever needing a charge or a jump.

If its not the battery not being well enough recharged then what is it?

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Soft_member
Soft_member

because as said above it really is an issue here.
Your batteries and starters and alternators are old and if you can't start them successively you should replace them. Its really this simple. Sure, thermodynamic efficiency drops at cold temperatures but even then your car WILL recharge given the appropriate parts.

askme
askme

As stated; its in perfect condition. The alternator was replaced four years ago, battery is just two years. There is nothing mechanically wrong with it

Sharpcharm
Sharpcharm

Because of the environment.
We're all tree huggers here, fag.

Bidwell
Bidwell

Interesting, but I think there's a mistake. The charging currency of a battery is not infinite, thus it will generally not be charged with the maximum power the alternator can provide. Thus, the alternator will only draw little power from the engine and most of the fuel will still be used for keeping the engine going (when idling) or driving the wheels.
Of course the charging currency goes up the lower the battery is, so things get complicated.

Evil_kitten
Evil_kitten

1 mile commute
Who would do that? You are better off walking that distance.

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

Bruh you change spark plugs like every 5 years, and a fuel pump? My bimmer is 11 years old I’ve never even imagined needing to change the fuel pump

Flameblow
Flameblow

The diesel might be cheaper than gasoline, but the government here taxes the shit out of diesel cars so in the end it's more expensive to own a diesel car.

SniperWish
SniperWish

Why did you revive that thread, mongol?

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

Blame , you retarded nigger.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Okay, Fuck you you inbred fuck.

FastChef
FastChef

Gas fags confirmed salty.

Nojokur
Nojokur

I drive on LPG.

King_Martha
King_Martha

Nigga, my commute car is an automatic diesel.

Soft_member
Soft_member

Because not everybody likes walking to work in the dark at -20c

Also, there exists the elderly, fat people, people with kids, those who have a bit of personal equipment/tools to bring with

w8t4u
w8t4u

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JunkTop
JunkTop

My diesel engine just hit 300,000 kms (186,500 miles). How fucked am I?

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

Disgusting

whereismyname
whereismyname

They're disgusting to drive. That's it. I don't like them.

I don't want to start the day with 20 minutes of boring hell and end it with the same damn thing.

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

extensive research, laws, testimonies and measures
a funny picture of Christian Bale
Gee I don't know

Harmless_Venom
Harmless_Venom

Are you jealous of my higher octane rating?

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

The only advantage diesel has is more torque when pulling heavy loads. In that instance only is when they are guaranteed to be more efficient than a petrol motor.

Is that why every single small diesel econobox gets about twice the gas mileage that its petrol counterpart does, even when not hauling anything?

Carnalpleasure
Carnalpleasure

that one guy that always posts the same picture of some one instance of a corvette once getting good mileage that will never happen in a real world scenario

wew lad

Firespawn
Firespawn

Dieselfags have done nothing but ensure the demise of ice, and accelerate the rise of electric

DeathDog
DeathDog

Can't wait for diesels to get phased out and pollution to still be as widespread so people realize that cars are not as big a part of the actual pollution in cities as the media paints them to be.

eGremlin
eGremlin

Diesels are slow as fuck, and whenever I ride behind one and it tries (emphasis on "tries") to go fast, I get a face full of black smoke. Fuck diesels.
t. motorcycle rider

FastChef
FastChef

he can't enter any closed parking lot
Yeah mate I'm super jelly

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

Diesel is horrible, the particulate matter goes deep inside your lungs and won't leave

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

doesn’t realize kerosene has a higher energy density than gasoline.
doesn’t realize Diesels run incredibly lean which creates terrible NOx emissions.

Ignoramus
Ignoramus

I never post on this board
Yeah it's really obvious. No one here really cares about gas mileage as long as it's more than 15mpg. We like cars as a pleasure not as travel appliances.

Stupidasole
Stupidasole

imblyin

Raving_Cute
Raving_Cute

Well my diesel car still gets much better fuel economy than its petrol counterpart, makes almost double the power (close to triple the power after i have it remapped), and diesel is cheaper than petrol where i live, so for me its still more "efficient"

farquit
farquit

Breaking the laws of thermodynamics as we speak.

w8t4u
w8t4u

My diesel mud truck get 21mpg and it's 30 years old also runs on a mix of biofuel filtered used motor oils and diesel also a properly maintained diesel shouldn't soot or smoke

lostmypassword
lostmypassword

I want a car, not a tractor.

kizzmybutt
kizzmybutt

Your only fucking argument is "it's cheaper". No one cares. You want something even cheaper? Get a bike.

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

Im not saying that a diesel engine is neccesarily more "efficient" if you look at the % of power used from the oil you incredible nerd, im saying it gets better fuel milage and costs less to drive since it has better fuel economy.

Guy i originally replied to said that diesels only had an advantage when pulling heavy loads, yet my diesel car can go much much further on one tank, makes almost double the torque, even when not hauling anything, has much more horsepower, and will outlast the petrol engines, those are all facts.

TreeEater
TreeEater

Will also make 90% more horsepower and around 170% more torque than the same trim petrol car after i remap it, you will care when i blow the doors off your shitty 'murican V8 with my shitty diesel 4 banger

Burnblaze
Burnblaze

Seems like you don't understand shit, but okay.

TalkBomber
TalkBomber

At least be fair and compare it to forced induction petrol cars. It's not very hard to crank up the psi on your turbo and make lots of power, no matter if it's a diesel or a petrol.

TurtleCat
TurtleCat

I saw a Duramax beat a built WRX boy was that dude angry. Duramax was 2500hd with some mild engine work dude just had injectors and a tuner. WRX was twin turbo had a water to air intercooler also had a tuner and some fancy clutch. And the Duramax blew his doors in boy was he pissed and i know his car is fast because I raced him in my 73 Camaro

TechHater
TechHater

You can crow all you want about them lasting longer, but they are double the cost to rebuild

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

Will they last longer though? I constantly see early 2000s diesels being sold for scrap metal prices because of fucked injectors.

whereismyname
whereismyname

*Supposedly
Sorry, you're right

Deadlyinx
Deadlyinx

enlighten me einstein

I could compare it to the 2L Turbo petrol car a friend of mine has for instance, his is remapped and i still rape him in the start, after i remap mine i will leave him in the dust from the start all the way to top speed, and get much much better fuel economy

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

Muh tork doesn't mean jack when all your power dies out at 4k rpm. That's why my neighbor's e60 530d had exactly the same hp as my father's w140 despite it not having a turbo.
Muh more power from the same trim is retarded, because diesels are more expensive to buy. I calculated that if you buy same power petrol and diesel cars with the price of diesel in west europe on average you need to travel around 80k km just to break even. And if you don't believe me, 5th gear reached similar conclusion.

RumChicken
RumChicken

What do you mean you rape him in the start? Like 0-50 km/h? He should learn to launch his car better then.
Your argument that diesel is faster is idiotic. You could turbo and tune a 4 banger Honda to destroy your Punto or whatever you have.
I will agree that if you want a decently quick daily but have absolutely no self-respect or money, a diesel shitbox is the best thing. It's the ultimate underclass race car.
However, if you are serious about cars, you get something that has good dynamics and can rev.

New_Cliche
New_Cliche

That's literally all cars. Soot is carcinogenic and it comes from diesel and petrol engines

whereismyname
whereismyname

320d, close to 300hp with just a remap and stock everything, and 500-600nm of torque

And just getting a remap is much cheaper, faster, and less hassle than turbocharging, building and tuning an engine

Muh tork doesn't mean jack when all your power dies out at 4k rpm
what is gearing
what is shifting gears

Guess i got lucky then, paid just a tiny bit more than a petrol car would've cost me for mine, it's in good shape, and what i paid for it is like 40% less than what these cars usually go for, i could sell it right now for like a 10k$ profit

Need_TLC
Need_TLC

what is gearing
Exactly, the deficit of torque is made up by gearing in a petrol car.

Crazy_Nice
Crazy_Nice

Oh and which engine is in the W140 that has the same power as the 530d? It's probably much bigger and gets much much worse fuel economy

Look, im not shitting on petrol engines, i love em, used to have a 530i and it was fucking fun, i've driven lots of turbo petrol cars and V8s and i absolutely love the piss out of them, i was mainly just pointing out the fact that claiming that a diesel has "no advantage unless hauling" is retarded and wrong

Soft_member
Soft_member

It's not near the same, no.

girlDog
girlDog

again
Muh tork doesn't mean jack when all your power dies out at 4k rpm
shift before 4k RPM
back in the powerband
keep accelerating smoothly
shift again when nearing the end of the powerband

i don't see the problem

likme
likme

3.2 vs 3.0. And the BMW has the advantage of being 10 years newer and a turbo.
Fuel economy is a given, but my neighbor drives only outside of the city, where my father drives it only in stop-go traffic, so it's not comparable.
Again, learn how hp is calculated and how gearing works, so you wouldn't talk crap.

Emberfire
Emberfire

if we again ignore the age difference, the 530d still has close to double the torque
inb4 muh tork doesnt matter

I don't see how my automotive education relates to the fact that a diesel car can still accelerate fast whether you like it or not

That's like me saying all car engines are shit and work like shit because my bike revs to 16k and your car doesn't

Torque does make a difference too, not saying it's the be-all-end-all of performance, but if you have 2 identical cars, but one of them has 50% more torque, the car with more torque will accelerate faster, that's a fact

WebTool
WebTool

Who wants to listen to a diesel all day?
Plebs, that's who.

CouchChiller
CouchChiller

Torque does make a difference too, not saying it's the be-all-end-all of performance, but if you have 2 identical cars, but one of them has 50% more torque, the car with more torque will accelerate faster, that's a fact
If a car has 50% more torque throughout, it will have 50% more power.

eGremlin
eGremlin

Allright, let me rephrase that

a car with 300hp and 300nm of peak torque, vs a car with 300hp and 450nm of peak torque

do you now understand, or do i need to somehow clarify this any further?

CodeBuns
CodeBuns

I thought we cared about fuel efficiency in this thread? Now it's power?

BunnyJinx
BunnyJinx

Gearing compensates for that. In order for that to be true and the rest of the torque curve to be comparable, gearing automatically compensates for that.

Supergrass
Supergrass

everyone here is one person

I drag raced a 545i in a 530D

545i is 330hp / 450nm

the 530d is 230hp / 500nm

due to the power curve and torque, the 530d absolutely fucked the 545i in the start, and up to like 60-100kmh, then the 545i slowly passed

and i'm very certain that with just a remap, the 530d will blow the doors off the 545i, even though it will be slightly under 300hp

So in that case, it will have less horsepower, but still be faster, due to much more torque, and still get very good fuel economy, easily over 1000km on one tank

hairygrape
hairygrape

I completely give up on arguing with you, it's like arguing with a wall. You keep moving the goalposts and post random anecdotal evidence that prove literally nothing. Once you learn how gearing and power work, then you will see how stupid you look.
If they are so great, why does nobody race diesels if they are better when the regulations are the same?
inb4 Le Mans
Yeah, because 2 liter vs 3.7/4.0 is the same.
inb4 WTCC
Turbo vs N/A

Methshot
Methshot

Lmao im not saying diesels are always better, i think they're better in small econoboxes, i love petrol engines to death.

My point, again, is that the guy who said that diesels have NO advantages unless hauling, is fucking retarded, since i've listed many pros that diesels have other than that, not sure if you're that same guy but if you are, you're retarded

VisualMaster
VisualMaster

I agree with OP Torque is better than hp

GoogleCat
GoogleCat

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Emberfire
Emberfire

Even though it's cheaper to make. Capitalism?

LuckyDusty
LuckyDusty

Who cares. It manages to consume less than gasoline engines.
When hauling heavy loads.

Fuzzy_Logic
Fuzzy_Logic

wrong

Garbage Can Lid
Garbage Can Lid

This guy was actually correct all along. People who were against him, have clearly not lived in a cold enough place. A batterys ability to give current/hold charge drops significantly when temps go freezing. Cold diesels are really hard to start, and successive starts with short driving distances, is asking for trouble.

massdebater
massdebater

illegal off road diesel gang

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Techpill
Techpill

Woopsie, you must be new! A safer environment can be found at www.red.dit.com!

Gigastrength
Gigastrength

desu I love diesels. You don't get to hear them much in burgerland but my dick gets hard whenever I hear one. I have a CDI mercedes now, and hope to one day have a diesel 3 series. those things are fun as hell

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