can I just fill one square with magma using a bucket to make a magma forge?
Parker Morales
in one fort I did, I kept every other stone layer undesignated throughout my fort. then later I could channel 1x1 tunnels through it and easily get water anywhere I want in the fort
unfortunately not. you can use minecarts however. I might be wrong but I think the dwarves can even haul the minecarts full of magma by hand.
Jaxon Brown
Right. I meant more magma plumbing, but the concept should still hold, right?
Also, is it a glitch that trolls don't attack people? I have one just wandering my cavern workshops, being completely complacent towards my dwarves.
Camden Smith
Yeah, the concept would still hold, but that every-other-layer-blank method only uses gravity to pull liquid where you want it, from the upper layers down through the pipes to some kind of drainage like a carved fortification on the edge of the map. I have not done a ton of experimentation with pumps though, which you would need in order to move fluids higher up the layers.
Zachary Brooks
maybe that troll is a good boy who literally dindu nuffin, stop being so troll-phobic user.
Ethan Gomez
>comfy af fort, nice mix of industries going >small military, only train half the time, help out with farming mostly >siege of 32 undead turns up at the start of the second year i'm mad
Logan Cruz
A Expansive web of channels made out of the most common rock in the embark, all the channels are 1 square wide and goes from every room to a main artery that's normally 4 square wide sometimes i let it fall back into the cave sea if the fps allows it
Its all controlled trough a series of grates and flood gates to keep the cave alligators from dragging dwarfs down the toilet. Sometimes i make walkway along the main artery of the sewer for that extra kick of militia going down to hunt the sewer monsters.
Do keep in mind i do all m planning on a cell paper before i even start a embark so i just follow a pre made blueprint most of the time and sometimes i just wing it and end up with a lot of fun
Logan Watson
So 3 wagons just randomly went missing on my map and all their stuff got dumped on a single tile Explain? And how do I get rid of that trash?
Jayden Powell
d-b-c to claim (unforbid) objects
Robert Campbell
Dump it under an atomsmasher
Kayden Gomez
Right, thanks for the replies. Personally, I prefer winging each embark individually.
Also, about that troll, I've caught him and some Elk Birds in a cage (and another Troll of the other gender), in the hopes of eventually creating an artificial cave with cavern wildlife, troglodytes, et cetera, in it. Does anyone know what will attack what down there? Because I want to know if I can keep my Trolls to release against my Trogs later on. Also, probably more importantly, can I get Trogs and Trolls to breed? I know they're sentient and so can't be tamed, but if I leave a bunch of the opposite genders together, they should eventually have kids, right?
Gavin Lee
what industries did you have going?
Camden Gonzalez
Depends on the metals you have. 32 undead are fairly easy to deal with. I posted last thread about destroying a 60ish undead invasion at the start of year 2 with a small military too.
Tyler Miller
I've got native silver and lots of giant elk so I've been making lots of decorated metal, leather and and bone instruments for export, so not much use there. I'm up to 5 copper swords using the rest of the tetra I brought at embark- haven't hit any other metals yet. I've walled off one entrance so hopefully i can fight them in a 3 wide corridor so my dudes can't get swarmed as easily. I don't have any armor or traps yet
Adam Cook
You're in luck then: most of the time, armour is kind of eh about undead - they tend to go for twisting off limbs rather than attacking normally. However, the very best weapon against undead? Silver warhammers. Make yourself some of those, they should help you a ton. But, if your military isn't trained in their use yet, you may be best just waiting out this siege, and fighting back on the next.
William Fisher
So, you know that zoo thing I mentioned? It's beginning to look like a cool idea.
David Jones
They're in already, so no time for that now. I've killed a few that went for my farmers and the rest are streaming towards the entrance now. Will bear that in mind for the next attack though, if I can survive this.
Jeremiah Fisher
Right. I guess walling in absolutely everything might be a good idea. Oh, and if they're still safe, get masons or carpenters making coffins. I always end up forgetting to do that, for some reason.
Camden Long
>silver warhammers Fake news! We've previously established that silver is an awful weapon material, and hammers are the worts weapons for every situation. Full weapons-grade metal armor also makes your dwarves totally invincible.
Hunter Morgan
Pretty sure that it was determined that silver was pointless against ARMORED enemies. Swords seemed to blow all the other weapons out of the water but once again the testing was done against goblins not undead whom you literally cannot kill with a sword.
Bentley Thomas
Don't want to be "that guy", but you're both kind of wrong. Silver warhammers are good precisely because they DON'T kill their victims immediately: most other weapons will result in multiple body parts (which can all reanimate), whereas when a hammer kills, it keeps the corpse in one piece (usually). Swords, though, are great at killing the undead, but only through bisection, which is not what you want against undead.
Brayden Perez
Well after everyone in the military died the necro made a beeline for my elk- processing factory, whereupon my game crashed, presumably due to him reanimating approximately 20 giant elk worth of body parts. I think I'm just going to wall in this one.
Julian Brown
Yeah, that might be for the best.
Nathan Harris
I just did a little testing. With just undead, swords are laughably superior to hammers. One proficient swordsdwarf with a steel shortsword took on ~15 zombies with no difficulty and came out almost uninjured. meanwhile even with 5 hammerdwarves they always lost. Add a necromancer into the business, and the best weapon is to run the fuck away and try to kill him with magma or atom smash him. Once the horde starts going, no weapon will save you, your dwarves will get torn apart and killed by their own disembodied limbs. Hammer dwarves create less corpses, but they're so bad at killing it doesn't matter. Swordsdwarves are unstoppable murder machines, but they create heaving tides of undead viscera that eventually overwhelm them. Armor is very helpful in small engagements, but in large groups dozens of reanimated limbs just pummel the head and break their necks through the armor.
So I'd say the strategy would be to break off small chunks at a time, and fight in small enclosed spaces so the necromancer either gets trapped and pasted or can't get los. Without revival swords decimate zombies effortlessly. Just lock the rooms fll of corpses because if a necro gets eyes on the aftermath you're fucked.
William Kelly
Could you post the names of the books you learned with?
David Nelson
That's why I have a special "necro-squad" - 7 hammer dwarves to act as defence, and 3 swords dwarves to get in there and kill the necromancer as quickly as possible. It's surprisingly effective, done right, even on an open field.
Nicholas Turner
Good to know, thanks for doing the science.
Christian Taylor
Yes, it's a bug. You should send your military to kill it before it desrroys any buildings or kills any animals (which will show appropriate hostility towards it). As for plumbing, I tend to do an excessive amount of it, but it's a vanity project at best. You don't really need much magma or water at all, but plumbing for both is worth mad style points. I like to put my magma and water plumbing adjacent to one another as much as possible in order to rp running hot water. I like to make my caverns floodable by either, even though I don't use that much because muh fps. I use bridges and pumps to control flows, bridges and diagonals to control pressure. My current fort has a pump stack for water and a piston for magma, as well as a bunch of gravity-fed or manually pumped magma and water channels below their sources. I've got miles of dry plumbing that I haven't filled yet because I'm still expanding or tweaking it. And literally hundreds of inconsistently labelled levers.
Brayden Hernandez
Wagons are creatures, and when they "see" something scary they implode. This can range from something relatively innocuous like a goblin's tooth to actual dangerous fort ending threats like ____keas____. Traders will get spooked too. In either case thjs can cause you to lose the chance to trade that year, and can even provoke wars with humans, who will see their losses from wagon implosion as you stealing from them. Sometimes traders don't give a shit and will happily guide their wagons over piles of corpses, and I can't figure out why.
Lucas Johnson
I think you're both misremembering what user's tests showed and overgeneralizing the specific cases that he tested. For one, the tests didn't show that silver warhammers were shit, they showed that swords killed unarmed armored goblins faster as long as the weapons were of a higher grade material. The tests specifically didn't look at pulping, which is what you want to happen when undead are on the field with a necromancer or in a reanimating biome, or dismemberment, which is exactly what you don't want to happen in those conditions. Spears and axes both performed well in the same tests, which only looked at killing speed. They didn't determine that silver was "pointless against armored enemies" (weapon density still largely determines damage translation through layers) or that "full weapons-grade armor makes your dwarves totally invincible" (that wasn't even tested and is absolutely false). What you should take away from user's tests is that shortswords are the best native weapons for killing armored living enemies that are roughly the same size as dwarves in 1v1 combat.
Parker Flores
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Parker Jones
nice 9dots
Christian Barnes
Will Troglodytes use beds if they're available?
Caleb Clark
only citizens or long-term visitors will. unless you've modded troglodytes to be civilised, then no, they won't use beds.
Jacob Anderson
Is it bad that I can't admit defeat at the hands of these zombies and I'm now savescumming them to try and win keeping my original 7 alive?
Christopher Torres
Right. I'm wondering how exactly I can "civilize" the natives of the caves beyond training them in weapons and armour.
Mason Peterson
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Joseph Ortiz
Epic
Christopher Walker
Fuck this is grand
Jace Stewart
Did flooding always take so long?
Asher Watson
Your landscapes are my favorites.
And your night trolls are my favorites. Not sure that's what the fella on the left is, but I wouldn't want to run into it in a dark lair.
Henry Brown
Liquid movement mechanics haven't changed since the switch to 3d, so yes? What are you flooding, with which liquid, from how big of a source, through how big an aperture, and with or without pumps and/or natural pressure?
Tyler Martin
it all depends on water pressure.
if you just drain a small river somewhere, it will be pretty slow. just a few forts back, I accidentally dug into an underground lake when digging out my fort. the lake extended several levels above the level I pierced it on. the parts of the fort I had dug out got flooded in just a few ticks. the room the breach was in (approx 5x20 tiles big) was literally filled up in about 5-10 ticks, and the two miners in the room were engulfed and began to flounder before they managed to take a single step.
Isaiah Sullivan
My scrotum keeps getting sticked to my leg, I can't play DF like this.
Nolan Reed
put cotton balls in between to keep them separate
Chase Carter
Just got a breeding pair of Giant Cave Spiders. Suggestions?
Cameron Parker
buy proper underpants
Jaxson Martinez
there's nothing fun to do with tame GCS. wild ones can be used to farm silk, but tame ones will just run away from all threats. you can't train them for war either. I guess you can keep them in a zoo, but that's it.
Nathaniel Johnson
They've been caged from the caverns, so the silk's still up for grabs. Awesome. It's a shame that they're adults at birth, otherwise I'd have liked to throw the babies into a gladiator arena.
Henry Ross
Hi, just checking this thread after years of not playing df. wtf is plumbing?
Kevin Powell
Noob here. What do I do with all the gobbo corpses outside my entrance? How do I get rid of all the blood and vomit stains?
Jackson Jones
atom smasher or dump them into magma Don't worry about the stains, you'll just get more anyways.
Gabriel Allen
make a corpse stockpile set dwarves to gather refuse outside (o-r-o) Or, d-b-h over them and Hide stuff you are sick of looking at. it will still be there, though.
Liam Taylor
Paths for water and magma. And I guess syndrome contaminants if you're into that sort of thing.
That's horrifying: imagine having that much sand on you...
James Allen
...and also remembering you're a frog.
James Hill
*Inhales plump helmet dust*
Alright kid, easy peasy. You are gonna make an intelligent version of the troglodytes in the raws, but make it so it doesnt appear normally in the game You basically then make a native converson center, and place it around the troggos, and some dwarf, preferently an armed one, goes to the building and makes the conversion. The thing is, upon making the conversion, the building emits an invisible vapor that transforms every troggo in an intelligent troggo
If you wanna live the roleplaying at it's best, do the conversions at a temple, make the conversion inflict wounds on the troggos, like whip lashes, and make the troggos join your civ you can make a troggo caste for dwarves with a 0 percent ratio, and just transform wild trogos to them, that way they'll be a part of your civ
Lucas Price
Breeding can still spit out 0 pop ratio castes for some reason.
Thanks! not sure what the hell the tall guy is either.
Elijah Rivera
spear. dwarfs are short and need the reach
Austin Foster
a small three panel comic 1-Toady happily spending time coding DF 2- laughing at the shenannigans in the bugtesting 3-falling asleep in a couch with scamps in his lap
let's see just how comfy and mellow you can get drew
Colton Clark
Coud you draw a dwarf casually eating some food at a dining table while a goblin is getting mauled to death by a military dwarf close by? and the dwarf eating not giving a damn?
Isaac Murphy
A giant penis
Andrew Cook
A guy upthread posted a feathered shrimp FB. I'd love to see it drawn if you're down. Get it? Down. Cuz feathers.
Evan Murphy
I don't get it
Luke Kelly
whips
Zachary Gray
My current companion, a fat blind cave fish woman named "Fishy McFishFace."
Connor Brown
D..Drew?
Did you remember my request? With the Dwarf Scribe looking at a Goblin Scholar with suspicion through a bookshelf?
Asher Gonzalez
I think he posted it a few threads back
Landon Stewart
I think he posted it. I hereby send thee on a quest through the archives, just as the bretonnian knights charged valiantly to Page 10 of Veeky Forums in ancient days.
Landon James
It was the 'My Beard is Augmented' image and a Tavern/Last Supper spread.
But.. but..
Daniel Martin
Bretonnia is the worst faction, prove me wrong.
Protip: you can't.
Noah Garcia
they got some nice shields
Justin Miller
Almost every weapon is good. Mauls and flails are the exception. That said, my favorites are morningstars and spears, and I always start my military with one of each. I'm a fan of maces, too, and usually have them as a backup for my morningstar users (or vice-versa). Are they the best? Probably not, but they have niches that they excel in, like most other weapons.
Jace Perry
Bump.
Camden Lopez
This comic makes a lot of good jokes, it just completely fucks the execution. It's almost humorous, in some odd way, how it utterly butchers timing and bluntly forces its way through establishing.
Jordan Rogers
>$ ssh [email protected] >$ ./video\ gaymens/rick\ and\ dorty/porn/.hardcore/brutal/.nigga\ stop/dwarfism/df_linux/dfhack Only way to play.
David Smith
Don't respond.
Kevin Nelson
You're already responding user.
Brayden Ramirez
testing the new response system
Gavin Martin
>tfw when I read pic related from Goblin Slayer and immediately thought Dwarf Fortress it's taking over my life, please help.
Samuel Collins
@188828043 That line seems to be inspired by lotr, which is also one of inspirations of DF, meaning that thinking of the game is after reading it is something any regular player would do.
If you tried to sound "nerdy and "quirky" by making that post, you have failed.
Brandon Reyes
>tfw never watch lotw >tfw play DF, read about DF, discuss DF >read GS >get reminded of DF If you're trying to boogyman up something, I'm sorry to say you're wasting your time.
