/rlg/ Roguelike General

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>3ds
look for something with Shiren or Mystery Dungeon in the name
nips make a lotta handheld roguelikes and that's the biggest series
if it was a vita i'd say omega labyrinth

(((roguelikes)))

remember, with zin you win
impure races need not apply

What are the best roguelike game out there for a idiot like me? I tried Cataclysm and failed horribly, I suck balls at ADOM, and I keep getting turbo raped in Maiden Snow eve. Suggestions please.

made in abyss is a pretty good roguelike

>You need to allow npc_menu in game.cpp to go through npc's traits
uh-huh
>add new menu entry: use mutation
okay
>in the new entry, open the NPC mutation menu
I see, I see
>In the mutation activation code, invoke game:: handle_all_liquid
Alright that sounds pretty straightforward.
I'm gonna try it tomorrow.

>I keep getting turbo raped in Maiden Snow eve
Isn't that the point?

Try DCSS Minotaur Berserker, it's the biggest pleblike out there.

Alternatively you could try Forays into Norrendin, it's not as extensive as other roguelikes, it gives you the full experience but without the bloat. It's doable to learn enough to win even without wiki

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no... not really. I doubt that would be accepted there

Well....yeah but when you're constantly getting gangbanged by tentacles and gnomes BEFORE you even reach floor 5 of the dungeon the sex loses its luster.

this meme shouldn't be wasted on shit like elona

i really need to make The Chad Tangledeep vs The Virgin DCSS some time before it becomes completely stale

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Why are roguelikes the most patrician choice of video game?

is there a decent roguelike with good art?

longcat is long haha

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le pools is le close-ed ecksdee

unironically Tangledeep

brogue ascii

it is already stale

>you see a grand master thief
>you do not zap tele other
>you learn your lesson, and will zap next time

>break window frame in CATA
>roof collapses
>suddenly can grow plants inside shelter in cata
the absolute state of kevin granade's bizarre adventure

No. You must keep Roland PURE.
Are you following the tips in the "Read This You Mongs" guide? The first thing you should be doing is find the cave so you can buy bread from the cat.

Is there any xp penalty in poschengband for using tons of summons like trumps?
I tried to do some testing but it ended up inconclusive, as it seems there is a variety in levels and xp reward for some type of mobs, probably they were different level.

Yes, there is a noticeable penalty (except for the monster Q race), especially for things like necromancers that can't do anything else.

Well, yeah, but that's a legacy thing from straight back in the Whales days, not specifically Kevin's deal. A roof square includes a floor, so if you break the roof, you break the floor too, and you wind up with a dirt tile.
This might to change as Z-levels get moved out of experimental, 'till then just think of it as a game abstraction.

What is the second best race in crawl after mummy?

djinni
mountain dwarfs are #3

Naga.

Did they fix Cata yet

Can anyone upload Cogmind Beta 2.1 please? I can only find a dodgy Ruskie dl of 2.0.

No, they haven't added horse futa milking yet.

How do we get good at roguelikes, /rlg?

quit being low int

>can't even reply to people
Low INT indeed nigger lol

I assume you mean the gun aiming thing? There's a PR in the pipeline, but there's been some arguing about the details. It makes guns much more accurate, but there's some debate about whether it leaves pistols behind.

github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/21468

You could just use Coolthulu's branch, too, it still has the old firearms code. A lot of folks are using that instead of mainline.

speaking of racial slurs, why don't more people roll names like NiggerLyncher on dcss servers

easy way to trigger the annoying commie trannies infecting the community. I think I saw niggerkiller once

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Speak for yourself noob :^)
My roguelikes let me be a strong independent women (male) who don't need no man.

Just backup your saves, if you keep dying at early game and restart it's impossible to learn the game since you never see the rest of it.

dumbest advice

why bother getting good at the second half of the game if you can't reliably get past the first

Just stop making stupid mistakes.

It lets you win the game faster which is what matters

The postmodernist hellhole we live in now does exist though ;_;

Wins don't matter unless they're online.

>as Z-Levels get moved out of experimental
The CDDA devs crowd funded z-levels when I was in high school, I'm a semester away from graduating high school and they still haven't put them in the game. I remember how cool I thought CDDA was going to be back then...

So here I'm happily blasting groups of orcs with my fire bolt/balls in poschengband, and noticed a (worthless) spellbook burning up in the combat log.

I can destroy items on the ground? Is it safe to use non-fire spells, or if I splash items on the ground I will destroy them anyway with other damaging spells too?

It seems acid melts items too.
Is there any element that's safe to spam?

They've been in for ages, but they're still kinda buggy, and you have to enable them when you gen a world.
Coolthulu still works on it now and then, but not as much. The main problem left is the 3D vision thing, and bits of code all over that aren't Z-level aware, so you get stuff like weirdness with funnels working underground.

You can destroy all sorts of shit (and, confusingly, the types of items elements can destroy on the ground are different from the types they can destroy in your inventory), but relatively valuable things like most ego items or higher-level spellbooks tend to be immune to the 4 base elements, and artifacts are totally immune to item destruction, even from shit like chaos or disintegration.

Cold damage only breaks potions on the ground. Electricity breaks wands and rings. Fire and Acid destroy all sorts of shit.
Poison is totally safe but is a kind of shitty frequently-resisted element.

Thanks, that helps. I guess I will default to cold damage unless they resist it.

Also note that bolts don't damage items on the ground at all, although balls beams and breaths all do (and many bolt spells have a chance to shoot a beam instead).

Still, if there's an item you really want on the ground and you don't want to destroy it, wands of ice or plasma bolt are always a fine option.

>playing Brogue
>Kraken on floor FUCKING 8
why do I still play this piece of shit

Yeah, I noticed that. I'm using the spells that have a chance to become a beam instead.
So plasma doesn't destroy items? What about other high elements like shards, gravity or sound?

Plasma does destroy items. But bolts do not, and wands have no chance to become a beam. Plasma and ice are just the best bolt wands.

What's the point of everything? I look back at screenshots of old wins and winstreaks and feel nothing. If achieving those wins don't bring me joy and neither does the memory of them, why am I even playing at all?

stupidity?
if you don't enjoy playing a video game you should obviously stop and do something better with your time

Ah, okay, so wand was the important part.

What I'm really looking for is a reasonably safe spell (as in, casted spell so it uses SP instead of wand charges) to just spam and it seems all of them have the chance to turn into beams.
So cold is safe besides potions, what about non-basic elements?
I play a sorcerer so almost any spell is fine.

Is there a table that just lists what kind of effect each element has? I tried googling but couldn't find anything.

>tries to find joy
>in WINNING
You are doing absolutely everything wrong.

off the top of my head:
sound, shards/rockets and gravity break potions, maybe water does as well
plasma destroys like fire+elec, and meteor destroys like fire+shards
chaos, mana, and disintegration destroy everything on the ground
I think hellfire destroys everything but I'm not sure
lite and dark cause no item destruction but they do light/darken the tiles they hit
inertia IIRC does nothing
nether does nothing (but is partially resisted by everything evil so it's a relatively weak element)
magic missile and mana burst do nothing
Holy Orb specifically destroys cursed items (this spell is a favorite for everyone who can cast it. non-evil monsters resist but against evil it actually does double the listed damge)

as for non-itemdestruction affects:
sound, water, and ice can stun
gravity blinks non-tele-resistant monsters and stuns + slows non-uniques
inertia inflicts slow (but iirc uniques are immune)
plasma does not actually stun monsters (even though it stuns the player)
chaos can confuse monsters but can also randomly polymorph non-uniques
disintegration destroys walls and does bonus damage to enemies that can take damage from stone-to-mud

but really you shouldn't worry too much about destroying shit on the ground, most of the stuff is not worthwhile
if you see a valuable or unid scroll or potion or ring or something, feel free to switch elements to avoid damaging it

>summons like trumps
aha i wondered why this POS band was /rlg'sgame/
exposed

line break

it's true, rlg is just too in love with the lore of the novels in Zelazny's Amber series in which magic users can use magical decks of cards called Trumps to do things like summoning monsters or traveling to distant places

summon greater centipedes was a brilliant idea for a spell, can't wait for what zelzany comes up with next

Thank you user, I appreciate you typing all that out.

post PCB 6.1 tier list

oh wait, you can't. Plebs.

tiers
tonberry > demigod > balrog > android > halftitan > literally who cares none of the other races matter
psion > warrior > greymage > ???? i dont know shit about which classes are OP

Other good classes are mauler, rogue, ninja, monk, rune knight, and magic eater.

the best class in 5.x is definitely skillmaster for muh 4000-damage craft archery

i havent played one since it was nerfed in version 6 though so i dont know how they stand up

Can we please play PCB the way it was meant to be played?

angband.oook.cz/competition.php

t. gomen_gomen

Hellfire also destroys cursed stuff for some reason.

Hellish flames + holy orb is a pretty good combo early game for sorcerers.

hellish flames seems kind of bad except maybe in camelot
holy orb does double damage to evil and is resited by everything else, while hellfire does 1x damage to everything but double damage to good

but while the double-damage holy orb is really good and mana efficient, there are probably plenty of better spells than the only-1x-damage hellish flames

Maybe, but it terms of brainless macro tabbing, it's hard to beat two AOE spells that destroy nothing valuable and are resisted by nothing.

Mana Burst is probably the best general purpose spell for a long time, especially if you have magic damage boost, which makes it obscenely mana efficient.
It doesn't even blow stuff up.

if you ahve rings with magic damage boost holy orb gets even better though, because the damage bonus is also doubled vs evil
you'll still be using it even at levels 20-30
meanwhile mana burst's damage is kind of just shit except very early on

someone needs to win this and brag obnoxiously about it thereby drawing hate away from tomeposters at least temporarily

but chris has repeatedly nerfed devices, the only respite for classes with shitty/useless/nodamage class skills
domination realm isn't that shitty/useless late game (they get cult of personality, summon greater dragons, and a class power to 0% fail genocide all summoned monsters in LOS) but a lot of it is fucking charms and shit which doesn't even work when the player has aggravation

a harder setup just makes it feel that much worse when you finally decide you've had enough

we need a full class tier list, you two aren't even trying.

Rankum Yellow Mage

No, that's pointless.
Kill yourself, retard.

idiot

fuk u

can't believe how petty you are

>wasting perfectly good thread space with BAD shitposts
How classless.

Speaking of Sil, do you believe momentum needs a nerf?

Nerfs are a bad way to balance a game.
Rather, other things should be buffed.

An absolutist perspective in either direction is detrimental to design. A balanced diet if both buffs and nerfs is essentially to maintaining a healthy game.