Is this the shitest death of a empire/country ever?

Is this the shitest death of a empire/country ever?

I have to admit the fall of the USSR was underwhelming. Inevitable, but a disappointing end. Considering how utterly crazy the 20th century had been, for it all to kind of just fizzle out like this is a joke.

It's a good thing because it showed communism collapsed without a single bullet shot. It literally fell because it was a retarded system, yet retards still claim it could work.

USSR wasen't really communist and the commies are right when they say communism has never been tried.
however the so call "commie" states shows that communism is unachevable and allways end up as either state capitalist like china or a totalitarian shithole like stalinist or maoist era soviet union and china or modern day DPRK

It could work theoretically but what's required to make it work can only come from a capitalist country.

Marx plainly said his model was only for Western Europe.

How was it inevitable?

>My perfect brand of communism couldn't have been tried

But he is right, Mao and 3rdworldism is cancer

>Marx's theory of communism is my perfect brand

What you had in the Soviet Union was inspired by Marx but very much a different entity.

not him and im not a commoe but he is right. Marx stated that true communism could only work in an industrilized previously capitalist country but pretty much every commie revolt have happend in agrarian feudal third world shitholes

Communism in itself prevents economic growth. A totally nationalized industry prevents competitiveness.

Not a commie, but Trotskyism, Stalinism and Maoism are revisionist as fuck

Reagan got credit for it and still is remembered fondly by a very large segment of the USA, so yes, it was a terrible conclusion.

Which is why communism is literally impossible to accomplish before post-scarcity. And that can only be reached via an industrialized capitalist economy.

Unfortunately, what makes capitalism work will also break it. Marx theorized that to maintain it, socialism would be required until it reaches a point where competition is no longer a necessity and the system will then become communism as the state will no longer be needed.

It's a bit of a stretch towards the end but Marx did make a number of accurate predictions on the course of Capitalism. Globalism, automation of the workforce, centralization of market power, etc.

>shitest death of a empire
Spanish Empire, Song Dynasty (if southern song doesnt count), pretty much all persian great empires, end of the (real) roman empire, end of muslim Andalusia, the portuegese and dutch (trade) empires also just fizzled out pathetically.

Found the effeminate butthurt cuck neckbeard

>being a bootlicker

pathetic

It was unraveling for several years prior.

A lot of people are under the assumption that Ronald Jesus Reagan took office and single-handedly beat the soviets into submission.

Reagan was one of the most crooked presidents and he wasn't very effective. I'd take Watergate Nixon over him.

He accelerated the demise of the (((USSR))). Although you are right the collapse of oil prices in 1986 was much more important

>He thinks Reagan was a good boy who dindu nuffin

This is a history board. At least make an effort

Take your paranoid fantasies elsewhere, thank you!

Reagan was a decent president that brought normalcy and a partial restoration of traditional White True American values after 15 years of insanity. He had his flaws of course

He doesn't deserve the demonisation and mockery he gets from all those jew "intellectuals" and journalists that grew up in the 80s.

This is honestly the plebbiest opinion I've seen in a long time. Not only did Reagan promote big government and global interventionist policies, he increased debt by 130% and had an average of 7.5% unemployment.

Not only that but a lot of the blame for the 1989 recession can be placed in his hands. Also the amount of convictions and indictments is astounding for a President.

He's a meme that neo-cons jacks off to and attempt to revise the fact that he was terrible.

>decent president

>Opened the door for rampant cronieism in Washington
>Bloated government spending to record high
>While creating the meme that is reaganomics, crushing the middle class and tax revenue
>Iran-contra
>one of the greatest proponents of American intervensionism and regime change in the 20th century
>Completely ignored an epidemic that killed tens of thousands of citizens

His idiocy directly led to a recession which he was fucking warned about several times. Reagan was shit and his popularity is a meme

Just stopping in to say

>unironically caring about fags

Gas yourself

Ebin

>AIDS can't be transmitted during heterosexual intercourse

>majority victims are bi or fags

Again, nothing worth saving

Triggered?

Socialism on an international level died with Pinochet's coup de etat. Everything else was decadence.

>implying that one particular coup organized by Burgers is somehow special because le helicopter meme

>blame for the 1989 recession

There was no recession in 1989. There was a shallow short recession in 1991 after the oil price increase caused by the first Iraq War.

>he increased debt by 130%

I thought leftcucks loved deficit spending and shit

>and had an average of 7.5% unemployment

False it was actually 6,3% close to full employment despite Reagan inheriting the largest unemployment crisis after the Great Depression

>Opened the door for rampant cronieism in Washington

Yeah there was no cronyism and corruption in government before 1981

>Bloated government spending to record high

Federal spending as a % of GDP actually remained constant more or less

>While creating the meme that is reaganomics, crushing the middle class and tax revenue

Median household income rose considerably under Reagan

>Iran-contra

Nobody cares except a few butthurt "New Yorkers"

>one of the greatest proponents of American intervensionism and regime change in the 20th century

Cold War and proxy conflicts had already been a reality for America for 40 years before he became president

>Completely ignored an epidemic that killed tens of thousands of citizens

Maybe those fags should have stopped fisting each other in the ass after they noticed it. Again who cares

Anyway i am not even an Americuck (thank God) why do I have to defend Reagan fuck off

AIDS is a fag and drug addict disease lol who cares about those degenerate trash let them die

This thread has taken some strange turns

I raffed.

Then I realized you have the right to vote.

So I shall add something:

..

WHO WAS THE REPUBLICAN SENATORIAL CANDIDATE WHO, IF HE HAD WON, WOULD HAVE REPLACED REAGAN IN THE 1980 ELECTION, THEREBY PRECLUDING THE GOP'S COURTING OF THE EVANGELICALS AND UNEDUCATED, WHOM DIED IN HIS 60S UNDER MYSTERIOUS CIRCUMSTANCES

>Unfortunately, what makes capitalism work will also break it. Marx theorized that to maintain it, socialism would be required until it reaches a point where competition is no longer a necessity and the system will then become communism as the state will no longer be needed.
But how do you reconcile this prediction with the Nietzschean observation that "competition" is an inherent part of reality and won't necessarily go away, only become sublimated as we have seen so far ("why do people still do _ work when we have machines for _")?

Poland going from unbeatable Eastern Europan superpower to butt-monkey in only a century is quite sad and pathetic, desu

Nixon was based, though. I've never understood all the hate for him. I get that he was an unlikeable personality, had a funny face, posture, etc., but his actions were largely pretty great. And, in comparison to other "scandals" we've seen through our history, Watergate was pretty tame, IMHO. In the end I suppose, considering the turbulence of the times, no President could have made it out of there with a decent reputation and, if it wasn't Nixon who got taken down, you could just insert whoever was in there. I mean, even Hunter Thompson admitted in private he shouldn't have given him all the shit he did.

The liberal establishment never forgave Nixon for being right about Alger Hiss.

The final years of the Commonwealth were anything but underwhelming shit.

>russian leaders hate russian population
wow thats new

>He accelerated the demise of the (((USSR))).

I've heard before that Reagan being such a shithead cowboy trying to play hardball with the Soviets made it politically untenable for Gorbachev to do a lot of the opening up that he'd wanted to, because it'd look like he was just caving to the Americans.

Isn't the end of any empire sad and pathetic?

Perhaps, but there is a difference. It's hard to say Romulus Augustulus getting cucked by some barbarian was on the same level as Constantine XI fighting on the walls among his soldiers.

>USSR
In October 1987, Gorbachev mounted an anti-corruption campain to clear-out the old Brezhnevite guard and forced Aliyev to resign from the Politburo, ostensibly for health reasons. Aliyev was forced to resign from this position in 1987 amidst allegations of corruption made against him by Mikhail Gorbachev.


Forced into early retirement by Gorbachev, Aliyev focused his resources on returning to power and avenging Gorbachev for his retirement. Aliyev plotted against Gorbachev by orchestrating the ethnic conflict that would lead to cessation of Azerbaijan from USSR and dissolution of the USSR. The first pogroms against Armenians in Azerbaijan were instigated by the local mafia, which was controlled by Aliyev, in order to create an international crisis that would be detrimental to Gorbachev regardless of the outcome.

>untenable for Gorbachev to do a lot of the opening up


No that's a myth pushed by retarded commie neckbeards who really believe that the USSR was "stabbed in the back" and Gorbachev was a traitor. In real life Gorbachev was a hardline communist. The {collapse] was inevitable he was just managing it.

>Then I realized you have the right to vote.

At the end of his post he mentioned that he wasn't an American, did you even read it?

End of first Czechoslovak republic in 1938.

so Islam killed USSR?

Does anyone have any good books on the history us the U.S.S.R.?

Bonus if you have one of the Russian Empire too.

>fantasies

Nice try kike

anything by Robert Conquest
:^)

This
and don't forget to read Sebag-Montefiore too.
(^:

Tragedy and hope of Quigley
It is a massive books and it isn't only about the USSR but it is pretty good

Suez Crises

The U.K. got cucked so hard it developed Stockholm syndrome with its bull

>an azeri muslim toppling the ussr

it was also a corruption thing, later exploited nationalism/religious extremism to destroy rivals

aliyev controlled the azeri mafia

azeri mafia is one of the most powerful groups in russia. they control a good part of illicit activities and legit business

Why don't all white nationalists gather in some remote shithole and start up their own failed state instead of being a nuisance in just about every western country?

>why do people still do _ work when we have machines for _")?

That can't simply be ascribed to 'competition' as the sole cause.

People do things for many reason - for self-validation or enjoyment - competition doesn't need to be a factor in it.

A system of government that no nation is willing and able to employ is a dogshit system of government.

"True communists" need to grow the fuck up.

For fucks sake! In the beginning of the 1900s communism was regarded as a spent joke from the 1800s! Those who in the 1800s said that social democracy was the way has now been vindicated trice!

>no true scotsmen
Aaaiight!

>I thought leftcucks loved deficit spending and shit
Could you please prax away to your country of unicorns? Clinton left a budget surplus. Republicans always leaves budget deficits, because they believe in the meme "starve the beast".

You know that there's an 18-year limit here, edgeboy?

Well, the polish parliament showed that it was all show and no business.

>end of the (real) roman empire
hardly, the most amazing thing about the fall of rome to me isn't so much what happened but the fact that considering what they were up against and how far they themselves had fallen that they held on as long as they did. Rome surviving the crisis of the third century is truly unbelievable.

......

The british empire absolutely.

Americans just tell them, you're empire is over now, drop your colonies right now, and the brits go "o-ok m-master, anything you say"

His "secret plan" for ending the vietnam war is pretty damn unforgivable. He tried to bomb the north into submission by explicitly targeting civilians with weapons designed to kill and maim children. Not only was this inhuman, it also was a complete failure and only served to strengthen north Vietnamese resolve.

not exactly, but better to have seen the writing on the wall and given up the colonies before trying to keep them and losing a whole generation in pointless wars doomed to failure.

France, and Portugal lost their colonies in this manner. Portugal even had a revolution because people just straight up refused to fight anymore.

It was killed by commie politicians who during the 90's reforms became huge oligarchs and installed puppets in the new Russian parliament who continue to rule to the country to this day.

The Soviet union was killed by it's own men so that Russia could evolve.

Not really, if it wasn't for the Americans pressuring the European powers they would've crushed any rebellion in the colonies. The rebels didn't stand a chance, except the Vietnamese maybe.

Yes, Marxism has never been tried, you utter idiot. Only Stalinism and Maoism (and others) which were in direct contrast with Marx's ideas.

And there's also the case that the socialist idea precedes Marx ans Engels. The idea that the capitalist society needs to evolve is not restricted to Marx or anyone that came after him.

Besides WTF are you on about? Literally every country's own form of socio-economics is basically a case of "my unique, snowflake form of ____". As true communism hasn't been tried, well, neither has true capitalism because IT'S LITERALLY ALL GRAY.

Eat shit and die or go back to play CK2, you slack-jawed gutterslut.

>Eat shit and die or go back to play CK2, you slack-jawed gutterslut.
why is /leftypol/ always so fucking mean?

He's challenging you to a duel moron.

This is just flat out wrong, in 1954 America was PAYING 80% of France's military expenditures in the first indochina war, which were over $3,000,000 per day. France lost Algeria and Vietnam (and Portugal lost Mozambique) despite these being overseas possessions they had MASSIVELY invested in not because of American meddling but because the rebels were fully committed to victory at any price, and the price was indeed extremely high. That was something the people of France simply could not compete with.

kys

Corrupted forms of capitalism have proved very successful, whereas communism in any form has been a joke.

Pure Marxism has never been tried? Gee, it's almost as though it's a weak, worthless theoretical system with absolutely no practical applicability.

Marxists have only ever been playing make-believe. No one is more stupid. No one.

Have you ever read any of his books?

The german empire.
Really bad luck and shit leadership doomed the Kaiserreich.

Perestroika wasn't the death of it. It was the orchestrated privatisation of Russia in the 90s when (((Gaidar))), (((Chubais))) under the guidance of (((Sachs))), (Larry Summers))) and (((Andrei Shleifer))) privatised Russia's state assets which fell invariably into the hands of Jewish Oligarchs like (((Khodorkovsky))), (((Abramovtich))), (((Berezovsky))) et al. (((Khodorkovsky))) is now a persona non grata in Russia after being imprisoned by Putin for 9 years and is now running around in judaeo-globalist circles.

>Those who in the 1800s said that social democracy was the way has now been vindicated trice!

oh you poor, poor naive fool
Reality will hit you like a 5 ton concrete block soon enough

>Corrupted forms of capitalism have proved very successful


Not really on the surface yes but underneath the thin cover it's very shitty as fuck and weak.

It was one of the most anticlimactic for sure, but the shittiest one was collapse of Aztecs. City of Tenochtitlan fallen harder than Constantinople or even Rome.

The coup certainly hurt the legitimacy of the regime, but if it wasn' for Yeltsin getting elected a dissolution would not have happened.

Yeltsin was paid american agent, who accepted anything Americans said to him following the outbreak of economic depression. He also accepted and signed all of the agreements ensuring the break-off republics independence.

Putin tried to limit the damage Yeltsin did, by limiting the number of oligarchs to politically allied Russians, but by then it was too late, and almost all of Russian public wealth,resources and infrastructure, barring the army, had been sold off like a cheap prostitute.

>Only Stalinism and Maoism (and others) which were in direct contrast with Marx's ideas.

They weren't. Mao is in fact way more radical egalitarian than Marx is in his writings.

Don't forget his amnesty act for illegal immigrants; something which modern Republicans try to avoid talking about. Unfortunately, nobody enforced that law either.

Even though Ketchup pizza and Tomato sauce pizza are both pizzas made with tomatoes they have differences, don't ya think?

>Yeltsin was paid american agent

I agree with alll of your statement except this one. Yeltsin was a paid Israeli agent. Look at where the cash flowed, 1/4 of the richest Russian oligarchs, including the top ones are Jewish.

>fighting on his walls with his soldiers...
And then cucked afterwards by barbarians?

> orchestrated privatisation
Kek, as if nomenclature was against that. No way that shit would roll if ((((party members)))) couldn't profit from that mess.

Exactly.

British empire has been pretty shit. I can't think about the latter half of the 20th century without imagining all of the sniveling and shriveled politicians rubbing their hands together and nervously talking their way out of everything earned in a century before.

I don't even like imperialism, but what happened there was just undignified.

The Swedish empire ended with them getting their ballsacks cut.

There is a Reason Hillary worked with Neo-Conservs and Reagan is it.

He died in the battle, how did he get cucked?

Did Gorbachev want a social liberal Russia forever, or did he want a social liberal Russia until they were in a position to do Communism, again, properly?

Yes

This is just flat out wrong,
USSR ordered decolonization of all European powers. All independence movements from Asia, Africa, Latin America were USSR movements.

even civil rights mov't liberating US Africans was all USSR

which would later lead to Obama's presidency

Britannia was finished well before Suez, that was just their attempt at jumping and grabbing the rung and failing miserably.

>nation-states unwilling to adopt anti-statist system
Well no shit there genius.

>Well, the polish parliament showed that it was all show and no business.

The Polish parliament worked well until it was deliberately paralyzed by those who wanted the state to become inept.

what about east germany?

Was the shining star of the Soviet Empire, despite the USSR trying to rape it of industry to war reparations. The USA had to funnel money into into the BRD, especially Berlin. Also the USSR supported having commienazis(Stasi) which people didn't actually like living under a giant surveillance police state.

Who would you say had a bigger negative impact on Russia and russians: Lenin or Jeltsin?